History Main / GrandFatherClause

8th Feb '17 10:15:18 PM Anddrix
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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation has 076 (Able) and 105 (Iris) -- submitted early in the site's history, the quickly-growing community treated them as iconic, to the point of writing fanfic about them. As the site was restructured and formalized, the community shifted strongly against CommonMarySueTraits, and formed a generally-accepted canon on how the Foundation treated its wards, both of which were at odds with the pair. Though their general MarySue-ness has been toned down over the years (Able is now a force of nature rather than an anti-hero, Iris's power is less CursedWithAwesome), their popularity (especially Iris's) has waned considerably over the years, and they would probably risk deletion if they were submitted today. However, they're considered too important to the site's history to let go. The creators of the site even created "the Able Line": Able is exactly as Sue-ish as any character is allowed to be, and can stay, but anything more has to go. Probably the biggest sign of Grandfathering, though, is the tendency for reports involving them to call them by their real names rather than their numbers: a supreme faux pas from anyone else, but Able and Iris are too established in those names to stop using them. In Able's case, at least, this has been explained in-universe by saying that the reason why [=SCPs=] are referred to by number is that it is important to dehumanize sentient [=SCPs=] to prevent people from interfering with their containment out of sympathy; since there's nothing remotely sympathetic about Able, it's OK to refer to him by name.

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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation has 076 (Able) and 105 (Iris) -- submitted early in the site's history, the quickly-growing community treated them as iconic, to the point of writing fanfic about them. As the site was restructured and formalized, the community shifted strongly against CommonMarySueTraits, Mary Sue traits, and formed a generally-accepted canon on how the Foundation treated its wards, both of which were at odds with the pair. Though their general MarySue-ness has been toned down over the years (Able is now a force of nature rather than an anti-hero, Iris's power is less CursedWithAwesome), their popularity (especially Iris's) has waned considerably over the years, and they would probably risk deletion if they were submitted today. However, they're considered too important to the site's history to let go. The creators of the site even created "the Able Line": Able is exactly as Sue-ish as any character is allowed to be, and can stay, but anything more has to go. Probably the biggest sign of Grandfathering, though, is the tendency for reports involving them to call them by their real names rather than their numbers: a supreme faux pas from anyone else, but Able and Iris are too established in those names to stop using them. In Able's case, at least, this has been explained in-universe by saying that the reason why [=SCPs=] are referred to by number is that it is important to dehumanize sentient [=SCPs=] to prevent people from interfering with their containment out of sympathy; since there's nothing remotely sympathetic about Able, it's OK to refer to him by name.
4th Feb '17 7:47:45 PM KYCubbie
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* Still another baseball example: The Hall of Fame and the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA), whose members vote on recently retired players, agreed that starting with the election for the class of 2015, players would be eligible for election on 10 annual ballots instead of 15.[[note]]For a player to be eligible for the Hall, he must have (1) played for at least 10 years in MLB, (2) not be on baseball's banned list, such as Pete Rose, and (3) either be retired for 5 years or dead for 6 months.[[/note]] The three players on the 2015 ballot who had already appeared on 10 or more ballots (Don Mattingly, Alan Trammell, Lee Smith) will remain eligible for the full 15 years, should they get enough votes to stay on the ballot.[[note]]Mattingly failed to be elected in his last shot in 2015. Trammell's last appearance will be in 2016, and Smith's in 2017.[[/note]]

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* Still another baseball example: The Hall of Fame and the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA), whose members vote on recently retired players, agreed that starting with the election for the class of 2015, players would be eligible for election on 10 annual ballots instead of 15.[[note]]For a player to be eligible for the Hall, he must have (1) played for at least 10 years in MLB, (2) not be on baseball's banned list, such as Pete Rose, and (3) either be retired for 5 years or dead for 6 months.[[/note]] The three players on the 2015 ballot who had already appeared on 10 or more ballots (Don Mattingly, Alan Trammell, Lee Smith) will remain remained eligible for the full 15 years, should they get enough votes to stay on the ballot.[[note]]Mattingly [[note]]All three stayed on the ballot for the full 15 years, but failed to be elected in his elected. Mattingly's last shot was in 2015. 2015, Trammell's last appearance will be in 2016, and Smith's in 2017.[[/note]]
12th Jan '17 3:29:13 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Every last Brass Knuckle title and corresponding division in [[Wrestling/{{FMW}} Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling]]. The point of a Brass Knuckles title was to allow wrestlers to legally punch each other, sometimes to the point of actually discouraging grappling. But not only had disqualifications for punches become increasingly rare over the years (though Japan had more "Pure Wrestling" holdouts than most regions), FMW was the trope namer for GarbageWrestler, as disqualifications for anything up to and including live explosives almost never happened. The brass knuckle belts were there mainly because fans ''loved'' them than anything else.

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* Every last Brass Knuckle title and corresponding division in [[Wrestling/{{FMW}} Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling]]. The point of a Brass Knuckles title was to allow wrestlers to legally punch each other, sometimes to the point of actually discouraging grappling. But not only had disqualifications for punches become increasingly rare over the years (though Japan had more "Pure Wrestling" holdouts than most regions), FMW was the trope namer for GarbageWrestler, as disqualifications for anything up to and including live explosives almost never happened. The brass knuckle belts were there mainly because fans ''loved'' them than anything else.for the prestige they had become associated with over the years.
10th Jan '17 5:59:49 PM Kytseo
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* Presently, a computer's Network Interface Card (or NIC, pronounced nick, for short), the part that connects PCs to networks using Ethernet, is usually built into the Motherboard. It's still called such because, previously, it used to be a separate card added in to the [=PCI-E=] slot (for the uninitiated, the type of slot the Graphics Card slots into).

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* Presently, a computer's Network Interface Card (or NIC, pronounced nick, for short), the part that connects PCs to networks using Ethernet, is usually built into the Motherboard. It's still called such because, previously, it used to be a separate card added in to the [=PCI-E=] slot (for the uninitiated, the type of slot the Graphics Card slots into).an expansion slot.
10th Jan '17 5:58:47 PM Kytseo
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* Presently, a computer's Network Interface Card (or NIC, pronounced nick, for short), the part that connects PCs to networks using Ethernet, is usually built into the Motherboard. It's still called such because, previously, it used to be a separate card added in to the [=PCI-E=] slot (for the uninitiated, the type of slot the Graphics Card slots into).
30th Dec '16 6:16:01 AM Gamingboy1
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** The [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Netflix TV series set in Hell's Kitchen]] had to even come up with an explanation as to why the MCU Hell's Kitchen is a crime-ridden place (in essence the damage from alien invasions and superhero fights scared a lot of people and money off, letting crooks take over).
26th Dec '16 7:56:16 PM PaulA
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* Ming the Merciless in ''ComicStrip/FlashGordon'' is a YellowPeril character who could never be created nowadays, but while various adaptations have made him white or green, they never can completely hide his origins, if only because they can't get rid of his obviously Chinese name. Witness how the attempt by [[Series/FlashGordon the Sci-Fi Channel series]] to "modernize" him backfired ridiculously. Something a bit similar applies to many other supervillains like Comicbook/IronMan's ''The Mandarin''. Now and then people try to make them more presentable, but usually they revert to type pretty soon.

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* Ming the Merciless in ''ComicStrip/FlashGordon'' is a YellowPeril character who could never be created nowadays, but while various adaptations have made him white or green, they never can completely hide his origins, if only because they can't get rid of his obviously Chinese name. Witness how the attempt by [[Series/FlashGordon [[Series/FlashGordon2007 the Sci-Fi Channel series]] to "modernize" him backfired ridiculously. Something a bit similar applies to many other supervillains like Comicbook/IronMan's ''The Mandarin''. Now and then people try to make them more presentable, but usually they revert to type pretty soon.
12th Dec '16 10:48:40 PM toonyloon
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* The self-demonstrating page for '''[[SelfDemonstrating/{{Ptitleijqobqvle9an}} BRIAN BLESSED]]''' is still in the old Ptitle format, as the new version has removed the ability to increase the font of text (and thus, any edit of the article would permanently lose the formatting), and since we're talking about '''[[LargeHam BRIAN BLESSED]]''' it'd be impossible to have him ''not'' have huge font, thus, he stays Ptitle, and as a result, has larger font. Similarly, Laconic.AllYourColorsCombined and SelfDemonstrating.RedAlert are kept locked to retain colored text after the feature was disabled wiki-wide due to being abused too often.

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* The self-demonstrating page for '''[[SelfDemonstrating/{{Ptitleijqobqvle9an}} BRIAN BLESSED]]''' is still in the old Ptitle format, as the new version has removed the ability to increase the font of text (and thus, any edit of the article would permanently lose the formatting), and since we're talking about '''[[LargeHam BRIAN BLESSED]]''' it'd be impossible to have him ''not'' have huge font, thus, he stays Ptitle, and as a result, has larger font. Similarly, Laconic.AllYourColorsCombined AllYourColorsCombined, Laconic.RainbowSpeak, and SelfDemonstrating.RedAlert are kept locked to retain colored text after the feature was disabled wiki-wide due to being abused too often.
5th Dec '16 10:24:44 PM Lloigor
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* The StandardFantasySetting--elves, dwarves, wizards and/or orcs chilling in an [[MedievalStasis eternally Medieval universe]]--has been parodied and deconstructed to Hell and back over the last few decades, to the point that ''no'' original works can get away with [[PlayedStraight playing it straight]] anymore. The only new works safe from mockery are adaptations of beloved classics (like ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' and ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' films), or the newest installments in long-running franchises (like the ''Franchise/ElderScrolls'' and ''Franchise/{{Warcraft}}'' games, and the various works carrying the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' name). If a work doesn't fall into either of those two categories, the writers better be willing to either subvert the formula or introduce some original concepts if they want to have ''any'' hope of being taken seriously.

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* The StandardFantasySetting--elves, dwarves, wizards and/or orcs chilling in an [[MedievalStasis eternally Medieval medieval universe]]--has been parodied and deconstructed to Hell and back over the last few decades, to the point that ''no'' original works can get away with [[PlayedStraight playing it straight]] anymore. The only new works safe from mockery are adaptations of beloved classics (like ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' and ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' films), or the newest installments in long-running franchises (like the ''Franchise/ElderScrolls'' and ''Franchise/{{Warcraft}}'' games, and the various works carrying the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' name). If a work doesn't fall into either of those two categories, the writers better be willing to either subvert the formula or introduce some original concepts if they want to have ''any'' hope of being taken seriously.
5th Dec '16 10:15:30 PM Lloigor
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* [[NotWearingTights Tights]] in general. Modern superheroes still tend to wear them, but outside of comic books and animation, most adaptations will attempt to get around them unless the outfit is so iconic that the character is drastically altered without it. For example, compare Spider-Man's outfit versus that of the villains in the first two ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' films. While Spidey sports a colorful, comic-accurate design, the [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has a suit of military body armor, and ComicBook/DoctorOctopus just wears a [[BadassLongCoat duster]]. Some characters, such as Batman, have their tights altered into a hardened suit of armor so that the character will continue to seem intimidating.

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* [[NotWearingTights Tights]] in general. Modern superheroes still tend to wear them, but outside of comic books and animation, most adaptations will attempt to get around them unless the outfit is so iconic that the character is drastically altered without it. For example, compare Spider-Man's outfit versus that of the villains in the first two ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' films. While Spidey sports a colorful, comic-accurate design, the [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has a suit of military body armor, and ComicBook/DoctorOctopus just wears a [[BadassLongCoat [[BadassLongcoat duster]]. Some characters, such as Batman, have their tights altered into a hardened suit of armor so that the character will continue to seem intimidating.
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