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8th May '16 6:36:43 PM rjd1922
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* The self-demonstrating page for '''[[SelfDemonstrating/{{Ptitleijqobqvle9an}} BRIAN BLESSED]]''' is still in the old Ptitle format, as the new version has removed the ability to increase the font of text (and thus, any edit of the article would permanently lose the formatting), and since we're talking about '''[[LargeHam BRIAN BLESSED]]''' it'd be impossible to have him ''not'' have huge font, thus, he stays Ptitle, and as a result, has larger font. Similarly, Laconic.AllYourColorsCombined and SelfDemonstrating.RedAlert are kept in an old format to retain colored text.

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* The self-demonstrating page for '''[[SelfDemonstrating/{{Ptitleijqobqvle9an}} BRIAN BLESSED]]''' is still in the old Ptitle format, as the new version has removed the ability to increase the font of text (and thus, any edit of the article would permanently lose the formatting), and since we're talking about '''[[LargeHam BRIAN BLESSED]]''' it'd be impossible to have him ''not'' have huge font, thus, he stays Ptitle, and as a result, has larger font. Similarly, Laconic.AllYourColorsCombined and SelfDemonstrating.RedAlert are kept in an old format locked to retain colored text.text after the feature was disabled wiki-wide due to being abused too often.
28th Apr '16 1:45:10 AM AmayirotAkago
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* In general, having a floppy disc as an icon for saving in video games or applications, despite floppies no longer being in use. The symbol has endured for so long that it's become instantly recognizable even to people who've never used floppies in their lives.
20th Apr '16 3:40:40 AM JulianLapostat
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* In the case of Creator/MarvelComics, the fact that most of the comics and stories are set in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity. While this was once innovative and radical as a concept, as SocietyMarchesOn, it has raised its own problems.
** During TheSixties to TheSeventies, the era of TheBigRottenApple, it made sense to exaggerate New York into an urban decadent city ridden with crime, poverty and bad housing, suffering under the influence of ghetto crime and TheMafia. But with gentrification between TheEighties to TheNewTens, the depiction of New York as a city riven by crime became a comic book convention. The real-life Hell's Kitchen became gentrified making ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'s and ComicBook/ThePunisher's playgrounds into comic conventions.
** Likewise, the high rent and student loans made ComicBook/{{Spiderman}}, Normal and Ultimate, a little more unbelievable and the dilemma of constant city crime needing Spiderman's constant attention no longer quite corresponded to reality. In the latter case, the recent comics have amended the situation by making Spiderman into a licensed and paid inventor and scientist, and now that he's a businessman, his ability to afford rent in New York becomes far more believable in the climate of the current economy.
13th Apr '16 4:57:02 PM UltimateLazer
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* In a similar case, alternative/modern rock radio generally doesn't play music from before TheNineties, but some bands considered highly influential can still get Airplay. Music/TheRamones and Music/TheClash are the most likely to be grandfathered, but Music/ThePixies, Music/DavidBowie, Music/{{Blondie}}, Music/NewOrder, and (strangely) Music/BobMarley may get in as well.

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* In a similar case, alternative/modern rock radio generally doesn't play music from before TheNineties, but some bands considered highly influential to alternative rock can still get Airplay.airplay. Music/TheRamones and Music/TheClash are the most likely to be grandfathered, but Music/ThePixies, Music/DavidBowie, Music/{{Blondie}}, Music/NewOrder, and (strangely) Music/BobMarley may get in as well.
12th Apr '16 11:06:19 PM UltimateLazer
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* In a similar case, alternative/modern rock radio generally doesn't play music from before TheNineties, but some bands considered highly influential can still get Airplay. Music/TheRamones and Music/TheClash are the most likely to be grandfathered, but Music/ThePixies, Music/DavidBowie, Music/{{Blondie}}, Music/NewOrder, and (strangely) Music/BobMarley may get in as well.
12th Apr '16 6:27:56 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' is so well-known for its FullMotionVideo cutscenes that when ''Generals'' didn't include them, there was a backlash (granted, [[InNameOnly the lack of FMV wasn't the only difference between Generals and the old games]]). FMV are largely discredited these days, but ''[=C&C=]'' gets away with it because it's tied to the series' history. The later installments of the ''Tiberium'' and ''Red Alert'' franchises see all number of [[HeyItsThatGuy really familiar actors]] engaging in as much HamToHamCombat as possible (Creator/JKSimmons, Creator/TimCurry, and Creator/GeorgeTakei as the leaders of the factions in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3''). Indeed, ''Red Alert 3'' has taught us that when your game has [[RefugeInAudacity amphibious man-cannons that shoot trained attack bears with parachutes]] you can get away with literally anything.

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* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' is so well-known for its FullMotionVideo cutscenes that when ''Generals'' didn't include them, there was a backlash (granted, [[InNameOnly the lack of FMV wasn't the only difference between Generals and the old games]]). FMV are largely discredited these days, but ''[=C&C=]'' gets away with it because it's tied to the series' history. The later installments of the ''Tiberium'' and ''Red Alert'' franchises see all number of [[HeyItsThatGuy really ally familiar actors]] actors engaging in as much HamToHamCombat as possible (Creator/JKSimmons, Creator/TimCurry, and Creator/GeorgeTakei as the leaders of the factions in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3''). Indeed, ''Red Alert 3'' has taught us that when your game has [[RefugeInAudacity amphibious man-cannons that shoot trained attack bears with parachutes]] you can get away with literally anything.
9th Apr '16 6:29:50 PM LaptopGuy
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** Unless you don't really care about it, and/or manage to be successful with being gimmicky. Music/LadyGaga is living proof.
** Imitating Kiss, and taking their gimmick to new levels, is what got Music/{{GWAR}} and Music/{{Lordi}} their success.
* It's not uncommon for artists that have switched genres (a singer switching from Country to Pop is a common one) to continue to be listed as the genre they started as, as long as their sound doesn't become too alien.
* A singer or band who started their career in [[IdolSinger teen pop music]] may, at least in a few years' time, change their sound, image, and/or lyrical or musical content as they grow older and they opt for a DarkerAndEdgier or HotterAndSexier approach. The trope may still apply when they still have to perform their teen pop hits onstage, or should a portion of their fandom or marketing still contain traces of their previous image, and may provide MoodWhiplash if a GreatestHitsAlbum is released.

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** Unless you don't really care about it, and/or manage to be successful with being gimmicky. Music/LadyGaga is living proof.
proof. People did eventually get burned out with her, so Gaga had to tone down the gimmicks and reinvent herself with a more realistic persona.
** Imitating Kiss, and taking their gimmick to new levels, is what got acts like Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{GWAR}} and Music/{{Lordi}} their success.
* It's not uncommon for artists that have switched genres (a singer switching from Country to Pop like Music/TaylorSwift or [=LeAnn=] Rimes is a common one) to continue to be listed as the genre they started as, as long as their sound doesn't become too alien.
* A singer or band (i.e. Music/TheBeatles) who started their career in [[IdolSinger teen pop music]] may, at least in a few years' time, change their sound, image, and/or lyrical or musical content as they grow older and they opt for a DarkerAndEdgier or HotterAndSexier approach. The trope may still apply when they still have to perform their teen pop hits onstage, or should a portion of their fandom or marketing still contain traces of their previous image, and may provide MoodWhiplash if a GreatestHitsAlbum is released.
26th Mar '16 8:35:38 AM narm00
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* Similar to tights: legless {{leotard|OfPower}}s on superheroines. Save for characters whose design are specifically intended as a call-back to traditional superhero outfits, vary rarely do new female superheroes wear leg-baring outfits due to how impractical and uncomfortable that actually would be, at the very least without some form of LampshadeHanging. However, older superheroines tend to keep the look since its so iconic to them, with Franchise/WonderWoman being the most notable example. While some [=AUs=] give her pants, she generally keeps the bathing-suit look since its so iconic.

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* Similar to tights: legless {{leotard|OfPower}}s on superheroines. Save for characters whose design are specifically intended as a call-back to traditional superhero outfits, vary rarely do new female superheroes wear leg-baring outfits due to how impractical and uncomfortable that actually would be, at the very least without some form of LampshadeHanging. However, older superheroines tend to keep the look since its it's so iconic to them, with Franchise/WonderWoman being the most notable example. While some [=AUs=] give her pants, she generally keeps the bathing-suit look since its it's so iconic.



** ''Doctor Who'''s extreme and distracting YouLookFamiliar right from the very early days - such as having Peter Purves play both a WackyWaysideTribe {{Eagleland}}er and the new companion Steven Taylor in the same story for no reason, or by having a prison guard who shoots the Fifth Doctor go on to play the Sixth Doctor - allowed it to carry on doing this in the new show, even though the NoBudget that made this forgivable in the Classic days has been expanded to a level that this casting would be considered laughable. For instance, (since 2005) two companions so far (Martha and Amy) and [[Creator/PeterCapaldi the Twelfth Doctor]]) have been played by actors who first showed up in one-shot roles.

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** ''Doctor Who'''s extreme and distracting YouLookFamiliar right from the very early days - such as having Peter Purves play both a WackyWaysideTribe {{Eagleland}}er and the new companion Steven Taylor in the same story for no reason, or by having a prison guard who shoots the Fifth Doctor go on to play the Sixth Doctor - allowed it to carry on doing this in the new show, even though the NoBudget that made this forgivable in the Classic days has been expanded to a level that this casting would be considered laughable. For instance, (since 2005) since 2005, two companions so far (Martha and Amy) Amy), and [[Creator/PeterCapaldi the Twelfth Doctor]]) Doctor]], have been played by actors who first showed up in one-shot roles.



** An extreme example of this is the Porygon family. Originally, Porygon was a stand-alone Pokémon and thus could learn Hyper Beam. In Generation 2, it got an evolution, Porygon2, but could still learn Hyper Beam even though Porygon2 could also learn it, just because it could in Generation 1. Come Generation 4, Porygon2 got an evolution in Porygon Z, and just like its pre-evolution could still learn Hyper Beam as well as the then-newly introduced Giga Impact. This makes the Porygon family the only one in the franchise capable of all its members learning these moves.

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** An extreme example of this is the Porygon family. Originally, Porygon was a stand-alone Pokémon and thus could learn Hyper Beam. In Generation 2, it got an evolution, Porygon2, [=Porygon2=], but could still learn Hyper Beam even though Porygon2 [=Porygon2=] could also learn it, just because it could in Generation 1. Come Generation 4, Porygon2 [=Porygon2=] got an evolution in Porygon Z, and just like its pre-evolution could still learn Hyper Beam as well as the then-newly introduced Giga Impact. This makes the Porygon family the only one in the franchise capable of all its members learning these moves.



* The role-play ''Into the Black'' (from the creators of ''Roleplay/DarwinsSoldiers'') had a gritty cyberpunk setting with a focus on realistic science and technology. It's sequel, ''Racing the Storm'', had a new GM who introduced psionics and space ships and took a direction that was unpopular direction with the characters. When a [[ReBoot new sequel]] to ''Into the Black'' was planned, the [=GMs=] specified that psionics were not permitted under any circumstances. The only exceptions were Lily North and Flora, characters from the previous role-plays whose abilities are heavily tied into their appearance and backstories.
* The Metal Archives does not allow most bands that fall under AlternativeMetal and its various subgenres (such as NuMetal, FunkMetal, and RapMetal) on its website, as they don't consider them to be "metal" enough. However, bands that started out playing an "appropriate" genre but later shifted to one of those styles can still be listed. Two examples are Music/InFlames and Music/LacunaCoil. Additionally, bands like Music/DefLeppard are allowed on the site because they started out playing metal, which qualifies them, before moving to pop rock. The basic rule is that you have to have at least one full album that's considered metal to be listed, so as long as you have one album playing an accepted form of metal, you're eligible regardless of your other material..

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* The role-play ''Into the Black'' (from the creators of ''Roleplay/DarwinsSoldiers'') had a gritty cyberpunk setting with a focus on realistic science and technology. It's Its sequel, ''Racing the Storm'', had a new GM who introduced psionics and space ships and took a direction that was an unpopular direction with the characters. When a [[ReBoot new sequel]] to ''Into the Black'' was planned, the [=GMs=] specified that psionics were not permitted under any circumstances. The only exceptions were Lily North and Flora, characters from the previous role-plays whose abilities are heavily tied into their appearance and backstories.
* The Metal Archives does not allow most bands that fall under AlternativeMetal and its various subgenres (such as NuMetal, FunkMetal, and RapMetal) on its website, as they don't consider them to be "metal" enough. However, bands that started out playing an "appropriate" genre but later shifted to one of those styles can still be listed. Two examples are Music/InFlames and Music/LacunaCoil. Additionally, bands like Music/DefLeppard are allowed on the site because they started out playing metal, which qualifies them, before moving to pop rock. The basic rule is that you have to have at least one full album that's considered metal to be listed, so as long as you have one album playing an accepted form of metal, you're eligible regardless of your other material..material.



* The prefix e- for computer-related thing will get you ridiculed now. Only e-mail and perhaps ebooks can really get away with it. Perhaps this is because [[EverythingIsAnIPodInTheFuture i is the new e.]]

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* The prefix e- for computer-related thing things will get you ridiculed now. Only e-mail and perhaps ebooks can really get away with it. Perhaps this is because [[EverythingIsAnIPodInTheFuture i is the new e.]]



* Pets. There is a well-defined set of "normal" pet animals which have been part of human existence for years (if not millennia), and legislation and custom are always written around the assumption that people are entitled to buy and own these animals. Outside that well-defined set, just watch the people start to stare and the legal compliance issues start to mount. Case in point: [[WeaselMascot Ferrets]]. They're the 3rd most popular pet in the US, yet you seldom see them in the media and laws and regulations prohibiting their ownership abound. Some animals, such as Raccoons, are considered wild animals (regardless of if they are born in captivity) and not possible to tame properly after a year or two, and as such, some states allow them as pets, and some don't. In Russia, however, there are no laws against it, so raccoons are surprisingly popular pets (as evidenced by all the Russian [=YouTube=] videos on them).

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* Pets. There is a well-defined set of "normal" pet animals which have been part of human existence for years (if not millennia), and legislation and custom are always written around the assumption that people are entitled to buy and own these animals. Outside that well-defined set, just watch the people start to stare and the legal compliance issues start to mount. Case in point: [[WeaselMascot Ferrets]]. They're the 3rd most popular pet in the US, yet you seldom see them in the media and laws and regulations prohibiting their ownership abound. Some animals, such as Raccoons, raccoons, are considered wild animals (regardless of if they are born in captivity) and not possible to tame properly after a year or two, and as such, some states allow them as pets, and some don't. In Russia, however, there are no laws against it, so raccoons are surprisingly popular pets (as evidenced by all the Russian [=YouTube=] videos on them).



* Recently, Liverpool, UK was renaming several city locations like streets that were named after famous people who dealt in slavery. However, City Council eventually had the thorny problem with Penny Lane, which was named after James Penny, a wealthy slaveship owner. However, they decided that since Music/TheBeatles made it famous with the eponymous song, it would be better to keep it as is for the tourist traffic.

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* Recently, Liverpool, UK was renaming several city locations like streets that were named after famous people who dealt in slavery. However, City Council eventually had the a thorny problem with Penny Lane, which was named after James Penny, a wealthy slaveship owner. However, they They decided that since Music/TheBeatles made it famous with the eponymous song, it would be better to keep it as is for the tourist traffic.
11th Mar '16 12:58:26 PM StFan
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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'' is one of the few works of fiction which is still published that gets away with playing MightyWhitey completely straight. The Phantom family have lived in sub-Saharan Africa for 21 generations, but all members of the family are still lily-white and there is no indication that any Phantom married a native woman (several Phantoms married South European, Middle-Eastern and Asian women, but there are no records of Phantoms marrying anyone from sub-Saharan Africa). Also, the Phantom is always smarter and tougher than anyone else, several traditional contests among the jungle tribes are to see which challenger comes in second behind the Phantom. That said, the portrayals of Africans has become a ''lot'' better since the early days of the comic.

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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'' ''ComicStrip/ThePhantom'' is one of the few works of fiction which is still published that gets away with playing MightyWhitey completely straight. The Phantom family have lived in sub-Saharan Africa for 21 generations, but all members of the family are still lily-white and there is no indication that any Phantom married a native woman (several Phantoms married South European, Middle-Eastern and Asian women, but there are no records of Phantoms marrying anyone from sub-Saharan Africa). Also, the Phantom is always smarter and tougher than anyone else, several traditional contests among the jungle tribes are to see which challenger comes in second behind the Phantom. That said, the portrayals of Africans has become a ''lot'' better since the early days of the comic.
11th Mar '16 12:51:52 PM StFan
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* The StandardFantasySetting--elves, dwarves, wizards and/or orcs chilling in an [[MedievalStasis eternally Medieval universe]]--has been parodied and deconstructed to Hell and back over the last few decades, to the point that ''no'' original works can get away with [[PlayedStraight playing it straight]] anymore. The only new works safe from mockery are adaptations of beloved classics (like the ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' and ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' films), or the newest installments in long-running franchises (like the ''Franchise/ElderScrolls'' and ''Franchise/{{Warcraft}}'' games, and the various works carrying the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' name). If a work doesn't fall into either of those two categories, the writers better be willing to either subvert the formula or introduce some original concepts if they want to have ''any'' hope of being taken seriously.

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* The StandardFantasySetting--elves, dwarves, wizards and/or orcs chilling in an [[MedievalStasis eternally Medieval universe]]--has been parodied and deconstructed to Hell and back over the last few decades, to the point that ''no'' original works can get away with [[PlayedStraight playing it straight]] anymore. The only new works safe from mockery are adaptations of beloved classics (like the ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' and ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' films), or the newest installments in long-running franchises (like the ''Franchise/ElderScrolls'' and ''Franchise/{{Warcraft}}'' games, and the various works carrying the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' name). If a work doesn't fall into either of those two categories, the writers better be willing to either subvert the formula or introduce some original concepts if they want to have ''any'' hope of being taken seriously.
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