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18th Sep '17 5:28:28 PM Troper67
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* In Fanfic/TheSagesDisciple, Crow has done a lot of morally questionable things in the name of surviving the 4th Holy Grail War. Kidnapping, arson, manslaughter, theft, etc. [[spoiler: While he has some qualms about manipulating/forcing Kariya into allying with him, he justifies it as being better than letting him run wild.]]

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* In Fanfic/TheSagesDisciple, Crow has done a lot of morally questionable things in the name of surviving the 4th Holy Grail War. Kidnapping, arson, manslaughter, theft, etc. [[spoiler: While he has some qualms about manipulating/forcing Kariya into allying with him, he justifies it as being better than letting him run wild.]]]] His alignment is ChaoticNeutral for good reason.
18th Sep '17 5:26:05 PM Troper67
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* In Fanfic/TheSagesDisciple, Crow has done a lot of morally questionable things in the name of surviving the 4th Holy Grail War. Kidnapping, arson, manslaughter, theft, etc. [[spoiler: While he has some qualms about manipulating/forcing Kariya into allying with him, he justifies it as being better than letting him run wild.]]
2nd Sep '17 5:09:29 PM AlexHoskins
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* They may want to be [[NiceGuy nice people]], but they believe that [[GoodIsNotSoft being nice does not always get things done]], and that accomplishing good requires them to do harsh and cruel acts, [[TricksterMentor particularly if they have to teach something]]. (This may be an intermittent effect, applied only when necessary; contrast BewareTheNiceOnes, where such outbursts result from break-down. On the other hand, emotional trauma ''can'' coincide with the realization that nicety won't cut it.)

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* They may want to be [[NiceGuy nice affable people]], but they believe that [[GoodIsNotSoft being nice does not always get things done]], and that accomplishing good requires them to do harsh and cruel acts, [[TricksterMentor particularly if they have to teach something]]. (This may be an intermittent effect, applied only when necessary; contrast BewareTheNiceOnes, where such outbursts result from break-down. On the other hand, emotional trauma ''can'' coincide with the realization that nicety won't cut it.)
28th Aug '17 11:17:13 AM KanekiKun
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Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support when they are faced with problems]].

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Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks [[SociopathicHero downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support when they are faced with problems]].
25th Aug '17 3:15:49 PM merotoker
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* HonestAdvisor: Good advisors are someone whose gives unpleasant advice.

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* HonestAdvisor: Good advisors are someone whose gives give unpleasant advice.



* ToBeLawfulOrGood: The hero chooses the former option if the are more concerned about upholding principles than being compassionate.

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* ToBeLawfulOrGood: The hero chooses the former option if the they are more concerned about upholding principles than being compassionate.



* WasTooHardOnHim: The character who deal with others harshly may feel bad about doing so.

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* WasTooHardOnHim: The character who deal deals with others harshly may feel bad about doing so.



Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. The hero's meanness will lead him in becoming a HeroWithBadPublicity.

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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. are]]. The hero's meanness will lead result with him in becoming a HeroWithBadPublicity.



* Bakugou Katsuki from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia''. Yes, he's an arrogant JerkAss with a superiority complex, but he still wants to be a hero. [[spoiler:When a group of villains mistakes his anger for rebellin and tries to convince him to [[FaceHeelTurn join their side]], he tells them in no uncertain terms to fuck off.]]

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* Bakugou Katsuki from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia''. Yes, he's an arrogant JerkAss with a superiority complex, but he still wants to be a hero. [[spoiler:When a group of villains mistakes his anger for rebellin rebellion and tries to convince him to [[FaceHeelTurn join their side]], he tells them in no uncertain terms to fuck off.]]



* ''ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}''. He's a grump and very snarly to gentle or friendly approaches from his friends. But he has also a protective streak bigger than Canada: threaten those he cares for, and the offending party will be shredded three ways from Sunday, especially if they push it.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}''.''Franchise/{{Wolverine}}''. He's a grump and very snarly to gentle or friendly approaches from his friends. But he has also a protective streak bigger than Canada: threaten those he cares for, and the offending party will be shredded three ways from Sunday, especially if they push it.



* [[http://www.indyplanet.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=3429 Gemini Storm]]. The heroine helps keep down the plague of monsters by viciously killing them and enjoying every minute of it.

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* [[http://www.indyplanet.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=3429 Gemini Storm]].Storm. The heroine helps keep down the plague of monsters by viciously killing them and enjoying every minute of it.



*** Maya [[spoiler:in both forms]] doesn't hesitate to [[NoKillLikeOverkill use excessive force]].

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*** Maya [[spoiler:in both forms]] doesn't hesitate to [[NoKillLikeOverkill [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill use excessive force]].



* ''Film/{{Hancock}}'' starts off like this. He goes out of his way to help people in need and stop criminals, and he also doesn't commit murder, with one possible exception right near the end of the movie. He's also an alcoholic with a short temper who isn't afraid to use his powers to intimidate people he doesn't like.

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* ''Film/{{Hancock}}'' Film/{{Hancock}} starts off like this. He goes out of his way to help people in need and stop criminals, and he also doesn't commit murder, with one possible exception right near the end of the movie. He's also an alcoholic with a short temper who isn't afraid to use his powers to intimidate people he doesn't like.



* ''TheBible'' God is not always nice. He knows things humans don't know, and does things that are hard to understand, like killing all the firstborn in Egypt, and killing all of Job's servants. Turning people into pillars of salt when they look back. Then there's that forty day flood.

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* ''TheBible'' ''Literature/TheBible'': God is not always nice. He knows things humans don't know, and does things that are hard to understand, like killing all the firstborn in Egypt, and killing all of Job's servants. Turning people into pillars of salt when they look back. Then there's that forty day flood.



* Arlen Bales, otherwise known as the Warded Man from ''Literature/TheWardedMan'' and sequels

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* Arlen Bales, otherwise known as the Warded Man from ''Literature/TheWardedMan'' and sequelssequels.



** Severus Snape, while devoted to Dumbledore's cause and [[spoiler:[[TheAtoner atoning]] for Lily's death]] is acerbic, strict, and apparently despises Harry, [[spoiler: while trying to protect him all the time]].
** Then there is Harry Potter himself, who [[CruelMercy spares Peter Pettigrew's life]] only to condemn him to what might be a FateWorseThanDeath at the end of Book 3. "He can go to Azkaban. If anyone deserves that place, he does."
** In the later books he performs two out of three ''Unforgivable Curses', the [[ColdBloodedTorture Cruciatus]] and the [[JediMindTrick Imperius]] - effectively [[WhatTheHellHero torturing and mind-controlling people]]. Of course he only did that to people who really, really deserved it, when they hit his BerserkButton.

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** Severus Snape, while devoted to Dumbledore's cause and [[spoiler:[[TheAtoner atoning]] for Lily's death]] is acerbic, strict, and [[SinsOfOurFathers apparently despises Harry, Harry]], [[spoiler: while trying to protect him all the time]].
** Then there is Harry Potter himself, who [[CruelMercy spares Peter Pettigrew's life]] only to condemn him to what might be a FateWorseThanDeath at the end of Book 3. "He can go to Azkaban. If anyone deserves that place, he does."
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" In the later books he performs two out of three ''Unforgivable Curses', the [[ColdBloodedTorture Cruciatus]] and the [[JediMindTrick Imperius]] - effectively [[WhatTheHellHero torturing and mind-controlling people]]. Of course he only did that to people who really, really deserved it, when they hit his BerserkButton.



** Then there's Sirius Black, who himself used to be a [[TheBully bully]] to Snape when they where growing up, gave him the nickname "Snivellus" and [[spoiler: even attempted to feed him to Remus Lupin while transformed into a werewolf.]] Even into his thirties, an age when most adults would put behind their childish grudges, he still is quite rude to Snape and calls him Snivellus a few times.
*** Sirius also never misses the opportunity to yell at or bully Kreacher, his House Elf. In the movie adaption of ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', Kreacher's screen time was cut quite a bit but we do get to see Sirius' outburst of shouting "Kreacher! That's enough of your bile! Away with you!". Given that Kreacher is a two, perhaps three-foot-tall house servant and Sirius is twice his size and a wizard to boot, makes this scene a little disturbing. But despite all his flaws (perhaps exacerbated by his twelve years of [[MindRape mind rape]] in Azkaban and an abusive upbringing), he is still capable of feeling immense affection and loyalty, acts of great bravery and kindness, and is staunchly on the side of the good.

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** Then there's Sirius Black, who himself used to be a [[TheBully bully]] to Snape when they where growing up, gave him the nickname "Snivellus" and [[spoiler: even attempted to feed him to Remus Lupin while transformed into a werewolf.]] Even into his thirties, an age when most adults would put behind their childish grudges, he still is quite rude to Snape and calls him Snivellus a few times.
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times. Sirius also never misses the opportunity to yell at or bully Kreacher, his House Elf. In the movie adaption of ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', Kreacher's screen time was cut quite a bit but we do get to see Sirius' outburst of shouting "Kreacher! That's enough of your bile! Away with you!". Given that Kreacher is a two, perhaps three-foot-tall house servant and Sirius is twice his size and a wizard to boot, makes this scene is a little disturbing. But despite all his flaws (perhaps exacerbated by his twelve years of [[MindRape mind rape]] in Azkaban and an abusive upbringing), he is still capable of feeling immense affection and loyalty, acts of great bravery and kindness, and is staunchly on the side of the good.



** Edmund Pevensie himself is this to Eustace in the third movie---after his HeelFaceTurn---because of [[DeadpanSnarker his constant snarkiness]] to, his [[DeathGlare death glares]] towards and his temptation to beat the crap out of [[{{Jerkass}} his cousin]]. [[PerpetualFrowner And he's almost always frowning or scowling]] at him. To everyone else, however, he's friendly, polite, and good natured.

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** Edmund Pevensie himself is this to Eustace in [[Film/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader the third movie---after movie]]---after his HeelFaceTurn---because of [[DeadpanSnarker his constant snarkiness]] to, his [[DeathGlare death glares]] towards and his temptation to beat the crap out of [[{{Jerkass}} his cousin]]. [[PerpetualFrowner And he's almost always frowning or scowling]] at him. To everyone else, however, he's friendly, polite, and good natured.



* Literature/SisterhoodSeries by Creator/FernMichaels: The Sisterhood/Viglantes. Each member did start out as nice, but the minute they form this group is the minute they dive into this trope. Reason 6 is certainly a factor for this, although reason 2 may possibly apply as well. The first 7 books are all about them getting {{Revenge}} on the people who wronged them. The last 13 books are all about trying to get back to their normal, everyday lives. Unfortunately, this trope gets cranked UpToEleven so much that some of the villains actually become UnintentionallySympathetic!
* From the ''[[Literature/TheLaundrySeries Laundry Files]]'' by Creator/CharlesStross, we get [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Angleton]], head of the Counter-Possession branch and protagonist Bob's sometimes-boss (matrix management at work). He takes a personal interest in Bob's career, makes sure he's given the best of care when he needs it, and is inhumanly effective at managing the titular occult intelligence agency to protect civilians from the Cthulhoid horrors lurking around the edges of reality. He's also [[UncannyValley scary as hell]] and has been known to [[AndIMustScream very ruthlessly]] [[FateWorseThanDeath deal with]] anyone who tries a boardroom coup. [[spoiler:Angleton is eventually revealed to be an [[CapturedSuperEntity Eater of Souls]] who was indoctrinated to pass for human in the 1930s; given the ramshackle nature of the spells that were supposed to hold him in place, Bob is sure that he's here as TheFettered voluntarily, and sides with humanity against other super entities of his own accord.]]

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* Literature/SisterhoodSeries by Creator/FernMichaels: The Sisterhood/Viglantes.Sisterhood/Vigilantes. Each member did start out as nice, but the minute they form this group is the minute they dive into this trope. Reason 6 is certainly a factor for this, although reason 2 may possibly apply as well. The first 7 books are all about them getting {{Revenge}} on the people who wronged them. The last 13 books are all about trying to get back to their normal, everyday lives. Unfortunately, this trope gets cranked UpToEleven so much that some of the villains actually become UnintentionallySympathetic!
* From the ''[[Literature/TheLaundrySeries Laundry Files]]'' ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'' by Creator/CharlesStross, we get [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Angleton]], head of the Counter-Possession branch and protagonist Bob's sometimes-boss (matrix management at work). He takes a personal interest in Bob's career, makes sure he's given the best of care when he needs it, and is inhumanly effective at managing the titular occult intelligence agency to protect civilians from the Cthulhoid horrors lurking around the edges of reality. He's also [[UncannyValley scary as hell]] and has been known to [[AndIMustScream very ruthlessly]] [[FateWorseThanDeath deal with]] anyone who tries a boardroom coup. [[spoiler:Angleton is eventually revealed to be an [[CapturedSuperEntity Eater of Souls]] who was indoctrinated to pass for human in the 1930s; given the ramshackle nature of the spells that were supposed to hold him in place, Bob is sure that he's here as TheFettered voluntarily, and sides with humanity against other super entities of his own accord.]]



* Elliot Stabler in ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' can be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold- but he enforces the law and is on the side of good.
** Well, he enforces criminal law, but tends to be a bit more flexible with the constitutional rights of defendants, and has a nasty habit of injuring suspects. A good guy to have fighting for your interests, but not the guy you want investigating you if you're innocent. He'll get to the right answer, but it'll be a bumpy ride.

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* Elliot Stabler in ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' can be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold- but he enforces the law and is on the side of good.
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good. Well, he enforces criminal law, but tends to be a bit more flexible with the constitutional rights of defendants, and has a nasty habit of injuring suspects. A good guy to have fighting for your interests, but not the guy you want investigating you if you're innocent. He'll get to the right answer, but it'll be a bumpy ride.



* Wrestling/RandyOrton. His past times include performing his finisher on women, punting a lot of people in the head hard enough to hospitalize them, and trying to [[AxCrazy kill]] Wrestling/JohnCena with pyrotechnics during a match. These days, his attitude hasn't changed much, but he's just decided to use his violent tactics on Heels. Hell, in 2011 he punted all of the [[Wrestling/TheNexus New Nexus]], Wrestling/ChrisJericho, RKO-ed [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]] into a table twice, kicked Wrestling/{{Christian}} [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] because he spat in his face, and has a street fight with him on the next episode of Wrestling/WWESmackDown. Let's remember that a street fight is a no holds barred match that can take place anywhere in the arena, and Randy Orton has actually tried to ''use fireworks to kill an opponent''. And he REALLY doesn't like Christian.

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* Wrestling/RandyOrton. His past times include [[WouldHitAGirl performing his finisher on women, women]], punting a lot of people in the head hard enough to hospitalize them, and trying to [[AxCrazy kill]] Wrestling/JohnCena with pyrotechnics during a match. These days, his attitude hasn't changed much, but he's just decided to use his violent tactics on Heels. Hell, in 2011 he punted all of the [[Wrestling/TheNexus New Nexus]], Wrestling/ChrisJericho, RKO-ed [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]] into a table twice, kicked Wrestling/{{Christian}} [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] because he spat in his face, and has a street fight with him on the next episode of Wrestling/WWESmackDown. Let's remember that a street fight is a no holds barred match that can take place anywhere in the arena, and Randy Orton has actually tried to ''use fireworks to kill an opponent''. And he REALLY doesn't like Christian.



* The Gods and Heroes in Greek Mythology. Like Heracles who was the symbol of the typical Greek hero, he's also a BoisterousBruiser uses is super strength to do what ever he feels like doing, and has slain numerous monsters with his own bare hands, plus he had a lot of affairs with plenty of...[[AnythingThatMoves people]] in his run.
** His father Zeus who is BigGood in Greek Mythology, who cheats on his wife Hera, and strikes lightning bolts, or cast curses on people he doesn't like, [[{{Pun}} weather]] they deserve it or not.

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* The Gods and Heroes in [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek Mythology.Mythology]]. Like Heracles who was the symbol of the typical Greek hero, he's also a BoisterousBruiser uses is super strength to do what ever he feels like doing, and has slain numerous monsters with his own bare hands, plus he had a lot of affairs with plenty of...[[AnythingThatMoves people]] in his run. \n** His father Zeus who is Zeus, the BigGood in Greek Mythology, who cheats on his wife Hera, and strikes lightning bolts, or cast curses on people he doesn't like, [[{{Pun}} weather]] they deserve it or not.



** Lorkhan himself is in the old Nordic pantheon, where he is known as [[IHaveManyNames Shor]]. Shor is a "bloodthirsty warrior king", though to the ProudWarriorRace [[HornyVikings Nords]], this is a ''good'' thing.

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** Lorkhan himself is in the old Nordic pantheon, where he is known as [[IHaveManyNames Shor]]. Shor is a "bloodthirsty warrior king", though to the ProudWarriorRace {{Proud Warrior Race|Guy}} [[HornyVikings Nords]], this is a ''good'' thing.



* Jarek from the ''GuildWars'' Nightfall expansion certainly qualifies. A former Sunspear himself, he's brought out of retirement to lead the Sunspears while Kormir, the real leader, is absent. To call him "arrogant" and "petty" wouldn't be much of a stretch, and he's still bitter that Kormir was chosen to be Spearmarshal instead of him. In fact, the only thing he seems to hate more than [[ThePlayer you]] are the bandits who keep attacking the villages. It seems fitting that his name is an anagram of "a jerk".

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* Jarek from the ''GuildWars'' ''VideoGame/GuildWars'' Nightfall expansion certainly qualifies. A former Sunspear himself, he's brought out of retirement to lead the Sunspears while Kormir, the real leader, is absent. To call him "arrogant" and "petty" wouldn't be much of a stretch, and he's still bitter that Kormir was chosen to be Spearmarshal instead of him. In fact, the only thing he seems to hate more than [[ThePlayer you]] are the bandits who keep attacking the villages. It seems fitting that his name is an anagram of "a jerk".



** Reality, which takes the form of a [[DarkIsNotEvil top hat-wearing villain]], as this is spades in "Safe Space". He attacks an incredibly rattled Butters for filtering everybody's negative comments, and verbally attacks everyone for letting their obsessive fear of criticism push Butters into suicide by having him work to maintain their safe spaces. [[spoiler: [[IgnoredEpiphany The townspeople, just make third-world children filter comments for them, and, publicly hang Reality]].]]

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** Reality, which [[AnthropomorphicPersonification takes the form form]] of a [[DarkIsNotEvil top hat-wearing villain]], as this is spades in "Safe Space". He attacks an incredibly rattled Butters for filtering everybody's negative comments, and verbally attacks everyone for letting their obsessive fear of criticism push Butters into suicide by having him work to maintain their safe spaces. [[spoiler: [[IgnoredEpiphany The townspeople, just make third-world children filter comments for them, and, publicly hang Reality]].]]
25th Aug '17 4:15:52 AM XFllo
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** Satsuki Kiryuin is an EvilOverlord who rules over Honnouji Academy with an iron fist, and has a [[TheSocialDarwinist complete disdain for the weak]]. One of her goals [[TodayXTomorrowTheWorld is to take over Japan]] and destroy what she can't. However, [[WellIntentionedExtremist all of these things were done to]] [[spoiler:kill [[AbusiveParents her tyrannical mother]] and thwart [[LesCollaborateurs her plans]], as well as to avenge her [[YouKilledMyFather father]] and [[DeadLittleSister sister]], who just so happens to be]] [[spoiler:the other protagonist, Ryuko]].

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** Satsuki Kiryuin is an EvilOverlord who rules over Honnouji Academy with an iron fist, and has a [[TheSocialDarwinist complete disdain for the weak]]. One of her goals [[TodayXTomorrowTheWorld is to take over Japan]] and destroy what she can't. However, [[WellIntentionedExtremist all of these things were done to]] [[spoiler:kill [[AbusiveParents her tyrannical mother]] and thwart [[LesCollaborateurs her plans]], as well as to avenge her [[YouKilledMyFather father]] father and [[DeadLittleSister sister]], who just so happens to be]] [[spoiler:the other protagonist, Ryuko]].



* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has a number, but the two stand outs are Loki and Nick Fury. Loki is a doting uncle, a patient teacher and bitterly remorseful for what he's done. He's also ReformedButNotTamed and more than willing to do the dirty work, with [[TheLancer the explicit purpose of being Thor's shadow]], [[ShootTheDog to do the things Thor never could.]] Fury has dedicated his life to protecting humanity from the monsters, human and inhuman, who think that they cannot be held to account. He believes in heroes, he cares for Harry, the son of his [[DeadLittleSister surrogate sister Lily]] and he is, ultimately, a good and decent man. He's also a ManipulativeBastard and MagnificentBastard who is more than comfortable exercising CruelMercy and chucking people like the Dursleys in an {{Oubliette}} whose ruthlessness gets VillainRespect from his ArchEnemy Lucius Malfoy who, though he despises him (and the feeling is mutual), admires him. He'll manipulate Albus Dumbledore, an old friend, and press his buttons just to see if the old man still has what it takes (he does). They're good, but neither is to be crossed.

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has a number, but the two stand outs are Loki and Nick Fury. Loki is a doting uncle, a patient teacher and bitterly remorseful for what he's done. He's also ReformedButNotTamed and more than willing to do the dirty work, with [[TheLancer the explicit purpose of being Thor's shadow]], [[ShootTheDog to do the things Thor never could.]] Fury has dedicated his life to protecting humanity from the monsters, human and inhuman, who think that they cannot be held to account. He believes in heroes, he cares for Harry, the son of his [[DeadLittleSister surrogate sister Lily]] Lily and he is, ultimately, a good and decent man. He's also a ManipulativeBastard and MagnificentBastard who is more than comfortable exercising CruelMercy and chucking people like the Dursleys in an {{Oubliette}} whose ruthlessness gets VillainRespect from his ArchEnemy Lucius Malfoy who, though he despises him (and the feeling is mutual), admires him. He'll manipulate Albus Dumbledore, an old friend, and press his buttons just to see if the old man still has what it takes (he does). They're good, but neither is to be crossed.
22nd Aug '17 1:46:53 PM IamTheCaligula
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* Hakumen from ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'': One of the six legendary heroes who stopped the Black Beast. Is a dick. Not a total one, though. [[He's an alternate timeline version of Jin, listed below. He's better than Jin in some ways and worse in others.]]

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* Hakumen from ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'': One of the six legendary heroes who stopped the Black Beast. Is a dick. Not a total one, though. [[He's [[spoiler: He's an alternate timeline version of Jin, listed below. He's better than Jin in some ways and worse in others.]]
20th Aug '17 10:11:47 PM ectostar
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They [[ThouShaltNotKill never kill anyone if they can help it]], nor would they allow people to come to any sort of harm by ignoring them. They are always willing to go out of their ways [[IncorruptiblePurePureness to save the town and complete strangers]]. When the call comes, [[ResignedToTheCall they will answer it, usually with little protest.]] They often help people in need with little promise of reward. In almost every way, they act like [[IdealHero ideal heroes]].

Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support when they are faced with problems.]]

'''There are a few reasons these people may act like this:'''

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They [[ThouShaltNotKill never kill anyone if they can help it]], nor would they allow people to come to any sort of harm by ignoring them. They are always willing to go out of their ways [[IncorruptiblePurePureness to save the town and complete strangers]]. When the call comes, [[ResignedToTheCall they will answer it, usually with little protest.]] protest]]. They often help people in need with little promise of reward. In almost every way, they act like [[IdealHero ideal heroes]].

{{ideal hero}}es.

Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support when they are faced with problems.]]

problems]].

'''There are a few reasons these people may act like this:'''this''':



* [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies They cannot afford to let others get close to them because their enemies will use others against them.]]

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* [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies They cannot afford to let others get close to them because their enemies will use others against them.]]them]].



** Piccolo. Even after his HeelFaceTurn, he is generally aloof and distant from the rest of human characters. Some of them consider him be to outright scary but Piccolo saves [[PetTheDog his softer side for Gohan.]] Not to mention he is quite ruthless in battle, such as severing Dr Gero's arms (though he had assumed he was an android) and [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bifurcating Babidi.]] He loses some of this after merging with Kami, but he still the most ruthless in the group next to Vegeta.

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** Piccolo. Even after his HeelFaceTurn, he is generally aloof and distant from the rest of human characters. Some of them consider him be to outright scary but Piccolo saves [[PetTheDog his softer side for Gohan.]] Gohan]]. Not to mention he is quite ruthless in battle, such as severing Dr Gero's arms (though he had assumed he was an android) and [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bifurcating Babidi.]] Babidi]]. He loses some of this after merging with Kami, but he still the most ruthless in the group next to Vegeta.



** [[SinkOrSwimMentor Izumi Curtis]] thinks little of verbally and physically thrashing the Elric brothers if it means teaching them important lessons regarding Alchemy or surviving in general. Which pales in comparison to the terror she inflicts [[MamaBear upon those who threaten them or her loved ones.]]

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** [[SinkOrSwimMentor Izumi Curtis]] thinks little of verbally and physically thrashing the Elric brothers if it means teaching them important lessons regarding Alchemy or surviving in general. Which pales in comparison to the terror she inflicts [[MamaBear upon those who threaten them or her loved ones.]]ones]].



** Rei Ayanami also counts. A combination of being a loner, utter devotion to duty no matter how much it might suck and a rather cynical world in general make some of her attempts to be nice fall flat, especially with [[{{Tsundere}} Asuka]] or [[MadScientist Ritsuko.]]

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** Rei Ayanami also counts. A combination of being a loner, utter devotion to duty no matter how much it might suck and a rather cynical world in general make some of her attempts to be nice fall flat, especially with [[{{Tsundere}} Asuka]] or [[MadScientist Ritsuko.]]Ritsuko]].



* ''Manga/SgtFrog'' Natsumi Hinata is Earth's best of line of defense from her freeloading alien house guest. And she makes sure he knows that...''a lot''. In the most abusive ways she can think of. [[NominalHero And even when he's not doing anything deserving a pummeling.]]

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* ''Manga/SgtFrog'' Natsumi Hinata is Earth's best of line of defense from her freeloading alien house guest. And she makes sure he knows that...''a lot''. In the most abusive ways she can think of. [[NominalHero And even when he's not doing anything deserving a pummeling.]]pummeling]].



* The entirety of Team Urameshi in ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. [[TokenEvilTeammate Hiei]] is just plain evil ForTheEvulz (at least at first). Yusuke is [[JerkAss an ass]] towards everyone he knows, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold he genuinely cares about all of them,]] and [[ThePowerOfFriendship his power spikes exponentially whenever they're in danger]]. Kurama is outwardly pleasant, but he's also a DeadpanSnarker of the highest order, incredibly fond of the StealthInsult towards his less intelligent teammates, and (even by ''[[JerkAss Hiei's]]'' admission), the most ruthless fighter on the team, a trait he demonstrates when he mercilessly executes most of his enemies even after they're defeated. By contrast, Kuwabara's a borderline NiceGuy, a BoisterousBruiser [[BruiserWithASoftCenter with a soft centre.]]

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* The entirety of Team Urameshi in ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. [[TokenEvilTeammate Hiei]] is just plain evil ForTheEvulz (at least at first). Yusuke is [[JerkAss an ass]] towards everyone he knows, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold he genuinely cares about all of them,]] them]], and [[ThePowerOfFriendship his power spikes exponentially whenever they're in danger]]. Kurama is outwardly pleasant, but he's also a DeadpanSnarker of the highest order, incredibly fond of the StealthInsult towards his less intelligent teammates, and (even by ''[[JerkAss Hiei's]]'' admission), the most ruthless fighter on the team, a trait he demonstrates when he mercilessly executes most of his enemies even after they're defeated. By contrast, Kuwabara's a borderline NiceGuy, a BoisterousBruiser [[BruiserWithASoftCenter with a soft centre.]]centre]].



** Considering he's essentially a [[MoralSociopathy sociopath,]] that he allegedly killed small animals as a child and scavenged corpses from battlefields, and that he's the MadDoctor who [[spoiler: invented fomicry,]] ''and'' that he's the one who [[spoiler: suggests Luke kill himself to dissipate the miasma,]] Jade Curtiss should count too. He also spends the better part of the game mercilessly snarking at people, even in their most mentally tender moments. He's ''really'' brutal to Luke after [[spoiler: Akzeriuth,]] and he's not much nicer to Guy after finding out about [[spoiler: the circumstances of Mary's death and Guy's condition.]] He's much more of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold than Asch is, though, but you still have to look really hard to find it.

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** Considering he's essentially a [[MoralSociopathy sociopath,]] sociopath]], that he allegedly killed small animals as a child and scavenged corpses from battlefields, and that he's the MadDoctor who [[spoiler: invented fomicry,]] ''and'' that he's the one who [[spoiler: suggests Luke kill himself to dissipate the miasma,]] Jade Curtiss should count too. He also spends the better part of the game mercilessly snarking at people, even in their most mentally tender moments. He's ''really'' brutal to Luke after [[spoiler: Akzeriuth,]] and he's not much nicer to Guy after finding out about [[spoiler: the circumstances of Mary's death and Guy's condition.]] He's much more of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold than Asch is, though, but you still have to look really hard to find it.



* Gilgam in ''Webcomic/TheWaterPhoenixKing'' is the embodiment of this. Being ReallySevenHundredYearsOld is only part of the reason; it mostly seems caused by [[WonTheWarLostThePeace post-war disillusionment]] and [[WarIsHell depression,]] though he was probably always sarcastic and irreverent (he ''was'' a lawyer, after all) and being the OnlySaneMan (in his mind, at least) doesn't help.

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* Gilgam in ''Webcomic/TheWaterPhoenixKing'' is the embodiment of this. Being ReallySevenHundredYearsOld is only part of the reason; it mostly seems caused by [[WonTheWarLostThePeace post-war disillusionment]] and [[WarIsHell depression,]] depression]], though he was probably always sarcastic and irreverent (he ''was'' a lawyer, after all) and being the OnlySaneMan (in his mind, at least) doesn't help.



* Most of the main cast in ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''. [[TeethClenchedTeamwork They insult each other constantly,]] [[WeAreStrugglingTogether bicker over everything]], and are generally jerks. But when it comes down to the wire, [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold they'll put their lives on the line]] for a good cause.

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* Most of the main cast in ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''. [[TeethClenchedTeamwork They insult each other constantly,]] constantly]], [[WeAreStrugglingTogether bicker over everything]], and are generally jerks. But when it comes down to the wire, [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold they'll put their lives on the line]] for a good cause.



* Scrooge [=McDuck=] of Disney comics (such as ones by Creator/CarlBarks and Creator/DonRosa) and adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'' [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules will never resort to illegal or underhanded means to make money]] (The [[MyGreatestFailure one time he did]], he ended up [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin haunted by a zombie for several years]] - and [[SinsOfOurFathers Donald got chased as well several decades afterward.]]), but neither [[{{Greed}} will he donate a single penny to charity.]] He'll give you a (''really'' low-paying) job at the drop of a hat, though.

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* Scrooge [=McDuck=] of Disney comics (such as ones by Creator/CarlBarks and Creator/DonRosa) and adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'' [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules will never resort to illegal or underhanded means to make money]] (The [[MyGreatestFailure one time he did]], he ended up [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin haunted by a zombie for several years]] - and [[SinsOfOurFathers Donald got chased as well several decades afterward.]]), afterward]].), but neither [[{{Greed}} will he donate a single penny to charity.]] charity]]. He'll give you a (''really'' low-paying) job at the drop of a hat, though.



* There was a cutaway gag in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' where Peter encounters Kenneth, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold the bad-ass mail clerk with a heart of gold.]] Peter is then told by another employee that said clerk donated half his paycheck to orphans with diseases.

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* There was a cutaway gag in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' where Peter encounters Kenneth, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold the bad-ass mail clerk with a heart of gold.]] gold]]. Peter is then told by another employee that said clerk donated half his paycheck to orphans with diseases.
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* ''Literature/The Bible'' God is not always nice. He knows things humans don't know, and does things that are hard to understand, like killing all the firstborn in Egypt, and killing all of Job's servants. Turning people into pillars of salt when they look back. Then there's that forty day flood.

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* ''Literature/The Bible'' ''TheBible'' God is not always nice. He knows things humans don't know, and does things that are hard to understand, like killing all the firstborn in Egypt, and killing all of Job's servants. Turning people into pillars of salt when they look back. Then there's that forty day flood.
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* ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian''. He's a barbarian, reaver, slayer, pirate, and a dozen other "distasteful" things, has nothing but contempt for the ways of civilized men (to the point of slaughtering a courtroom full of people when they asked him to name an accomplice), and has lain with almost as many women as he's killed men. But all the women were willing, he takes a firm stand against black magic, destroys cosmic horrors on an almost-daily basis, and eventually becomes arguably the finest king Aquilonia ever had.

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* ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian''. He's a barbarian, reaver, slayer, pirate, and a dozen other "distasteful" things, has nothing but contempt for the ways of civilized men (to the point of slaughtering a courtroom full of people when they asked him to name an accomplice), accomplice, although he was defending himself, not attacking them, and would not have killed them if they did not rush him with swords drawn), and has lain with almost as many women as he's killed men. But all the women were willing, he takes a firm stand against black magic, destroys cosmic horrors on an almost-daily basis, and eventually becomes arguably the finest king Aquilonia ever had. He is loyal to his friends and accomplices and does not betray them, ever( and you had best not betray him, if you want to live.) He is also open minded, and stands up against prejudice, such as when he is king of Aquilonia, he defends the worshippers of Astura from the more common religion of Mitra worship, despite the worshippers of Astura having a bad reputation(because they tended to be outsiders, sneaky and secretive. Not because they did anything bad.)
* ''Literature/The Bible'' God is not always nice. He knows things humans don't know, and does things that are hard to understand, like killing all the firstborn in Egypt, and killing all of Job's servants. Turning people into pillars of salt when they look back. Then there's that forty day flood.
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