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28th Aug '16 1:17:39 PM DaibhidC
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** In the earlier days of the company, nearly every heroic character who was "respectable" (IE - Businessmen like Bruce Wayne or alien scientists from the future like Brainiac 5) was shown smoking pipes constantly.
** Franchise/{{Batman}} has been seen smoking a pipe in his Bruce Wayne identity as late as 1980 in an issue of New Teen Titans. He was addressing Robin in a fatherly way while relaxing in his armchair.

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** In the earlier days of the company, nearly every heroic character who was "respectable" (IE - Businessmen like Bruce Wayne or alien scientists from the future like Brainiac 5) was shown smoking pipes constantly. \n This remained the case for Dr Will Magnus, creator of Comicbook/TheMetalMen, to the extent that when he became a Metal Man himself called Veridium, he still had the pipe, generated from his own veridium body.
** Franchise/{{Batman}} has been seen smoking a pipe in his Bruce Wayne identity as late as 1980 in an issue of New ''New Teen Titans.Titans''. He was addressing Robin in a fatherly way while relaxing in his armchair.
13th Aug '16 2:05:17 PM nombretomado
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** Though his [[KingdomHearts other major appearance]] has his smoking habit replaced with him holding a reed in his mouth, and he's not seen to do much smoking in ''Advent Children''... but then he lights up a victory cigarette after blowing up a reactor in ''DirgeOfCerberus''. This may be because in ''Advent Children'' he appears very briefly and spends most of the time killing a gigantic monster, and ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts '' is a [[{{Disneyfication}} Disney game.]] In the [[Literature/KingdomHeartsI novelization]] of ''Kingdom Hearts'', however, he is described as smoking cigarettes. Seems they slipped that one [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar right past the radar]].

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** Though his [[KingdomHearts other major appearance]] has his smoking habit replaced with him holding a reed in his mouth, and he's not seen to do much smoking in ''Advent Children''... but then he lights up a victory cigarette after blowing up a reactor in ''DirgeOfCerberus''.''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus''. This may be because in ''Advent Children'' he appears very briefly and spends most of the time killing a gigantic monster, and ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts '' is a [[{{Disneyfication}} Disney game.]] In the [[Literature/KingdomHeartsI novelization]] of ''Kingdom Hearts'', however, he is described as smoking cigarettes. Seems they slipped that one [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar right past the radar]].
11th Aug '16 1:37:48 AM PaulA
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* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga, there are a couple of examples:
** In [[Literature/CordeliasHonor Cordelia's Honor]], Cordelia's creepy psychotherapist Dr Mehta lights up at the start of a therapy session - though she doesn't inhale [[spoiler:because the smoke is actually a truth drug]].
** In [[Literature/TheWarriorsApprentice The Warrior's Apprentice]], Baz has to pretend he's a DrillSergeantNasty type, and insists that he can only do this if he has a cigar as a prop, since the man he's modelling his performance on was a CigarChomper.

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* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga, there are a couple of examples:
''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'':
** In [[Literature/CordeliasHonor Cordelia's Honor]], ''Literature/ShardsOfHonor'', Cordelia's creepy psychotherapist Dr Mehta lights up at the start of a therapy session - -- though she doesn't inhale [[spoiler:because the smoke is actually a truth drug]].
** In [[Literature/TheWarriorsApprentice The Warrior's Apprentice]], ''Literature/TheWarriorsApprentice'', Baz has to pretend he's a DrillSergeantNasty type, and insists that he can only do this if he has a cigar as a prop, since the man he's modelling his performance on was a CigarChomper.
9th Aug '16 7:54:13 PM Willbyr
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* [[{{Hellsing}} Sir Integra Hellsing]] is known for smoking manly cigars, both because she's a BadAss, and because she's a {{Bifauxnen}}.
* Alan of ''{{MAR}}'' is a cigar-smoker who meets the "badass" exception.

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* [[{{Hellsing}} [[Manga/{{Hellsing}} Sir Integra Hellsing]] is known for smoking manly cigars, both because she's a BadAss, and because she's a {{Bifauxnen}}.
* Alan of ''{{MAR}}'' ''Manga/{{MAR}}'' is a cigar-smoker who meets the "badass" exception.
6th Aug '16 2:20:11 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Two notable characters both love the same brand of cigar and know John-117 quite well. Those two are Sergeant Johnson and Franklin Mendez. Mendez was in charge of the SPARTAN-[=IIs=] training.

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** Two notable characters both love the same brand of cigar and know John-117 quite well. Those two are Sergeant Avery Johnson and Senior Chief Franklin Mendez. In particular, Mendez was in charge of the SPARTAN-[=IIs=] Spartan-[=IIs'=] training.



*** Any character in the Halo 'verse can get away with smoking now, since cancer is out of the genome for most people. If you do get it, it's easily cured.

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*** ** Any character in the Halo 'verse ''Halo''verse can get away with smoking now, since cancer is out of the genome for most people. If you do get it, it's easily cured.
5th Aug '16 9:33:40 PM MagBas
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* In ''Disney/SongOfTheSouth'', [[MagicalNegro Uncle Remus]] smokes a pipe. Along with one of the animated frogs. [[OldShame Disney's already tried to cover up THAT film]] for [[FairForItsDay entirely]] [[UnfortunateImplications different]] [[MoralGuardians reasons]]...

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* In ''Disney/SongOfTheSouth'', [[MagicalNegro Uncle Remus]] smokes a pipe. Along with one of the animated frogs. [[OldShame Disney's already tried to cover up THAT film]] for [[FairForItsDay entirely]] [[UnfortunateImplications different]] [[MoralGuardians reasons]]...
23rd Jul '16 2:03:35 PM StFan
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* In her original incarnation, [[Manga/SailorMoon Sailor Jupiter]] was to be the leader of a gang of female {{Delinquents}}, which included smoking. When the idea of her being a ''sukeban'' was scrapped, so was the idea of her smoking.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon '': In her original incarnation, [[Manga/SailorMoon Sailor Jupiter]] Jupiter was to be the leader of a gang of female {{Delinquents}}, which included smoking. When the idea of her being a ''sukeban'' was scrapped, so was the idea of her smoking.



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** ''The Comicbook/XMen'':

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*** {{Wolverine}} used to smoke cigars, but eventually gave up the habit, specifically directly after losing his adamantium to ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s cruelty; his healing power got extremely taxed during that incident, which may have something to do with it (in-universe, at least). Paraphrasing:
--->'''Wolverine:''' Time I gave those nasty things up, anyway.

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*** {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} used to smoke cigars, but eventually gave up the habit, specifically directly after losing his adamantium to ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s cruelty; his healing power got extremely taxed during that incident, which may have something to do with it (in-universe, at least). Paraphrasing:
--->'''Wolverine:''' ---->'''Wolverine:''' Time I gave those nasty things up, anyway.



*** His ArchEnemy TheRedSkull smokes a cigarette on a holder, often using it to conceal his [[PerfectPoison Dust of Death]] and use it on an enemy.

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*** ** His ArchEnemy TheRedSkull smokes a cigarette on a holder, often using it to conceal his [[PerfectPoison Dust of Death]] and use it on an enemy.




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* [[Characters/{{Superman}} Manchester Black]]
** His sister [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueElite Vera]] also develops a smoking habit [[spoiler:as she increasingly becomes convinced that he's inside her head]].

* '''Other Comics'''
** ComicBook/LuckyLuke used to smoke until he quit and switched to a ''piece of straw'' circa 1983.
** In the DonaldDuck comicverse, Donald himself smoked until the climate changed. Now only bad guys such as Black Pete are seen to smoke.
** If a witch in ''WitchGirls'' or ''WitchGirls Tales'' is smoking, they're a wicked witch. Especially if they're a child at the time. Cigarette holders are favored, but not mandatory.
** ComicBook/ScottPilgrim has a personal aversion to smoking to the point that he believes smoking to be a sign of being evil.
** ''WesternAnimation/FrostyTheSnowman'', according to TheOtherWiki.
** Emperor Zombie in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingScrewOnHead'' actually smokes a ''scholar'' to learn everything he knows. Miraculously, it actually works. The fact that he was smoking and killing a person at the exact same time kind of seals the deal on that one.

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* [[Characters/{{Superman}} Manchester Black]]
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Black]]. His sister [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueElite Vera]] also develops a smoking habit [[spoiler:as she increasingly becomes convinced that he's inside her head]].

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* '''Other Comics'''
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ComicBook/LuckyLuke used to smoke until he quit and switched to a ''piece of straw'' circa 1983.
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1983. The {{Prequel}} comic ''The Man Who Killed Lucky Luke'' shows how it happened in-universe (including why he picked the straw).
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In the DonaldDuck WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck comicverse, Donald himself smoked until the climate changed. Now only bad guys such as Black Pete are seen to smoke.
** * If a witch in ''WitchGirls'' ''Witch Girls'' or ''WitchGirls Tales'' ''ComicBook/WitchGirlsTales'' is smoking, they're a wicked witch. Especially if they're a child at the time. Cigarette holders are favored, but not mandatory.
** * ComicBook/ScottPilgrim has a personal aversion to smoking to the point that he believes smoking to be a sign of being evil.
** * ''WesternAnimation/FrostyTheSnowman'', according to TheOtherWiki.
** * Emperor Zombie in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingScrewOnHead'' actually smokes a ''scholar'' to learn everything he knows. Miraculously, it actually works. The fact that he was smoking and killing a person at the exact same time kind of seals the deal on that one.



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* ''Disney/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians''

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* ''Disney/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians''''Disney/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'':



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--> '''Xander''': I told him that cigarette would kill him some day.

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--> '''Xander''': -->'''Xander:''' I told him that cigarette would kill him some day.



* John [=McClane=] lights up a cig in the limo in the first five minutes of ''Film/DieHard''. He is proven to be a BadAss.
** Also notable in his scene with Hans. The fact that Hans -masquerading as an escaped hostage- holds his cigarette with his thumb and index finger is just one of the things that helps clue John in.

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* ''Film/DieHard''
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John [=McClane=] lights up a cig in the limo in the first five minutes of ''Film/DieHard''. He is proven to be a BadAss.
the first movie.
** Also notable in his scene with Hans. The fact that Hans -masquerading -- masquerading as an escaped hostage- hostage -- holds his cigarette with his thumb and index finger is just one of the things that helps clue John in.



* In ''Film/FearAndLoathingInLasVegas'', Raoul Duke (an amoral, ChaoticNeutral / TheHedonist character, at best, when he's away from his typewriter) constantly smokes cigarettes from a cigarette holder (which Depp stole from the real HST, after he followed him around to get his characterization down), just like the real Hunter S. Thompson. Several critics complained that the cigarette holder always clenched between JohnnyDepp's teeth made some of his dialogue unintelligible. As an interesting side note, Duke holds the cigarette holder with a lit cigarette in it in his mouth constantly, but he is never shown actually ''smoking'' the damn thing.

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* In ''Film/FearAndLoathingInLasVegas'', Raoul Duke (an amoral, ChaoticNeutral / TheHedonist character, at best, when he's away from his typewriter) constantly smokes cigarettes from a cigarette holder (which Depp stole from the real HST, after he followed him around to get his characterization down), just like the real Hunter S. Thompson. Several critics complained that the cigarette holder always clenched between JohnnyDepp's Creator/JohnnyDepp's teeth made some of his dialogue unintelligible. As an interesting side note, Duke holds the cigarette holder with a lit cigarette in it in his mouth constantly, but he is never shown actually ''smoking'' the damn thing.



* In ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'', when the protagonist smokes his first cigarette after 15 years of imprisonment (during which he [[TookALevelInBadass has become quite the badass]]), he [[ThisMeansWar takes it away from a gang member's mouth]].

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* In ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'', ''Film/Oldboy2003'', when the protagonist smokes his first cigarette after 15 years of imprisonment (during which he [[TookALevelInBadass has become quite the badass]]), he [[ThisMeansWar takes it away from a gang member's mouth]].



* Literature/{{Discworld}}
** The thoroughly BadAss Commander Samuel Vimes smokes cigars after he gives up drinking following his marriage to Sybil Ramkin in ''Discworld/MenAtArms''.

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* Literature/{{Discworld}}
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** The thoroughly BadAss badass Commander Samuel Vimes smokes cigars after he gives up drinking following his marriage to Sybil Ramkin in ''Discworld/MenAtArms''.



** On a minor note, the goddess Anoia[[note]]Goddess of Things Getting Stuck In Drawers, but after Moist von Lipwig namedrops her for a bit of "providence" the spike in popularity has her tipped for Goddess of Lost Causes[[/note]] is also a chainsmoker, and smelling cigarette smoke is supposedly a sign that you're in her presence, but it doesn't come up much since she features most prominently in ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money'', and thus her presence is rather overshadowed by that of Adora Belle.[[note]]A long-time follower of Anoia, and [[WildMassGuessing theorized to be her avatar.]][[/note]] Justified because she's implied to have been a volcano goddess in prehistoric times.

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** On a minor note, the goddess Anoia[[note]]Goddess of Things Getting Stuck In in Drawers, but after Moist von Lipwig namedrops her for a bit of "providence" the spike in popularity has her tipped for Goddess of Lost Causes[[/note]] is also a chainsmoker, and smelling cigarette smoke is supposedly a sign that you're in her presence, but it doesn't come up much since she features most prominently in ''Going Postal'' and ''Making Money'', and thus her presence is rather overshadowed by that of Adora Belle.[[note]]A long-time follower of Anoia, and [[WildMassGuessing theorized to be her avatar.]][[/note]] Justified because she's implied to have been a volcano goddess in prehistoric times.



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* [[TheNthDoctor The Roger Delgado version]] of the Master smoked cigars on ''Series/DoctorWho''.

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[[TheNthDoctor The Roger Delgado version]] of the Master smoked cigars on ''Series/DoctorWho''.cigars.



** BillBailey would often whip out a pen and pretend to smoke it when he felt like doing a rather posh stereotype. He brought a real pipe a couple of times but hasn't for a while presumably because the BBC has lots of rules when it comes to smoking on TV.

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** BillBailey Music/BillBailey would often whip out a pen and pretend to smoke it when he felt like doing a rather posh stereotype. He brought a real pipe a couple of times but hasn't for a while presumably because the BBC has lots of rules when it comes to smoking on TV.



* ''Series/MelrosePlace''

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* Used to varying degrees in ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG''. There were a number of characters who smoked for varying reasons. Cigarettes were commonly invoked by criminals or people with a shady past like Trigger, his partners, Snake, and Montoya, though granted they were also used by the comparatively more honest [[HardboiledDetective Detective Bogart]]. Clint Wayne often invoked the CigarChomper method which established him as a {{Badass}} [[TheGunslinger gunslinger]], though also justified by [[ItMakesSenseInContext him coming from a Western community]]. Meanwhile Angel Eyes likes to use the DistinguishedGentlemansPipe.

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* Used to varying degrees In Wrestling/{{WCW}}, The Giant (now Wrestling/TheBigShow in ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG''. There were WWE) would smoke cigarettes in the ring following a number of characters who smoked for varying reasons. Cigarettes were commonly invoked by criminals or people with a shady past like Trigger, FaceHeelTurn late in his partners, Snake, and Montoya, though granted they were also used by the comparatively more honest [[HardboiledDetective Detective Bogart]]. Clint Wayne often invoked the CigarChomper method which established WCW run.
* [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth's]] 2011 WWE FaceHeelTurn saw
him as light up a {{Badass}} [[TheGunslinger gunslinger]], though also justified by [[ItMakesSenseInContext him coming from a Western community]]. Meanwhile Angel Eyes likes to use the DistinguishedGentlemansPipe. cigarette after brutally assaulting Wrestling/JohnMorrison.



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* In Wrestling/{{WCW}}, The Giant (now Wrestling/TheBigShow in WWE) would smoke cigarettes in the ring following a FaceHeelTurn late in his WCW run.
* [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth's]] 2011 WWE FaceHeelTurn saw him light up a cigarette after brutally assaulting Wrestling/JohnMorrison.
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* In Wrestling/{{WCW}}, The Giant (now Wrestling/TheBigShow in WWE) would smoke cigarettes in the ring following a FaceHeelTurn late in his WCW run.
* [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth's]] 2011 WWE FaceHeelTurn saw him light up a cigarette after brutally assaulting Wrestling/JohnMorrison.
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-->'''Stone''': Nasty habit.\\
'''Alaura''': Only kind to have. ''(She returns the cigarette to his lips)''

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-->'''Stone''': -->'''Stone:''' Nasty habit.\\
'''Alaura''': '''Alaura''' Only kind to have. ''(She ''[she returns the cigarette to his lips)''lips]''



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* The "pipe smoking=good" part of the trope is averted by ''WebAnimation/AskThatGuyWithTheGlasses'' who is rarely seen without his pipe. The fact that he's frequently had sex with this same pipe is one of his ''least'' disturbing vices. Among his more disturbing ones include serial murder, rape, pedophilia, and cannibalism.

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* The "pipe smoking=good" part of the trope is averted by ''WebAnimation/AskThatGuyWithTheGlasses'' ''WebVideo/AskThatGuyWithTheGlasses'' who is rarely seen without his pipe. The fact that he's frequently had sex with this same pipe is one of his ''least'' disturbing vices. Among his more disturbing ones include serial murder, rape, pedophilia, and cannibalism.cannibalism.
* Used to varying degrees in ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG''. There were a number of characters who smoked for varying reasons. Cigarettes were commonly invoked by criminals or people with a shady past like Trigger, his partners, Snake, and Montoya, though granted they were also used by the comparatively more honest [[HardboiledDetective Detective Bogart]]. Clint Wayne often invoked the CigarChomper method which established him as a {{Badass}} [[TheGunslinger gunslinger]], though also justified by [[ItMakesSenseInContext him coming from a Western community]]. Meanwhile Angel Eyes likes to use the DistinguishedGentlemansPipe.
12th Jul '16 9:54:23 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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'''Harmony:''' I ''am'' a villain, Spike. Helloooo? [[OfCourseISmoke [then coughs, ruining the whole thing]]]

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'''Harmony:''' I ''am'' a villain, Spike. Helloooo? [[OfCourseISmoke [then then coughs, ruining the whole thing]]]thing]
12th Jul '16 9:48:10 AM tromag
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* In ''Literature/TheCavesOfSteel'' and ''Literature/TheNakedSun'', Elijah Baley smokes a pipe. He quits before the third book.

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* In ''Literature/TheCavesOfSteel'' and ''Literature/TheNakedSun'', Elijah Baley smokes a pipe. He quits before the third book.book, but only because tobacco became too hard to get, and he reflects on how much he misses it.
6th Jul '16 4:58:45 PM Lullabee
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* Both good and evil variants are done on ''Series/DoctorWho''. The First Doctor is shown smoking a pipe [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness for about five seconds in the first serial]] and apparently quits afterwards. The Master, when he first shows up during the Third Doctor's run, is frequently shown smoking cigars as villainously as possible.
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