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19th Sep '17 10:38:50 PM MasterN
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The good guys are often democratic members of TheFederation, or at least led by some sort of council. If there is a monarch, she (it's usually a queen or [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses princess]]) will always listen to her advisers and, if she has a veto, would never dream of overruling the prime minister or chief commander. The SupportingLeader is often a member of this council. In some cases, the council's commitment to consensus rule may get in the way of taking action against the villains; this can provide drama for an episode, as the [[FiveManBand heroes]] have to take matters into their own hands and act without the approval of their bosses.

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The good guys are often democratic members of TheFederation, or at least led by some sort of council. If there is a monarch, she (it's ([[WomenAreWiser it's usually a queen a]] [[TheHighQueen queen]] or [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses princess]]) will always listen to her advisers and, if she has a veto, would never dream of overruling the prime minister or chief commander. The SupportingLeader is often a member of this council. In some cases, the council's commitment to consensus rule may get in the way of taking action against the villains; this can provide drama for an episode, as the [[FiveManBand heroes]] have to take matters into their own hands and act without the approval of their bosses.
19th Sep '17 10:37:49 PM MasterN
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The villains, on the other hand, will usually be a [[TheEmpire totalitarian dictatorship]] led by a single [[TheEmperor supreme king or emperor]]. He (it's usually a he) may have a council of advisers, but with the exception of TheStarscream, none of them are in any doubt as to who is really the boss. If there is such a council, it will be hand-picked by the BigBad rather than being elected or passing some sort of qualification test, and will often include TheDragon.

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The villains, on the other hand, will usually be a [[TheEmpire totalitarian dictatorship]] led by a single [[TheEmperor supreme king or emperor]]. He (it's ([[FemalesAreMoreInnocent it's usually a he) he]]) may have a council of advisers, but with the exception of TheStarscream, none of them are in any doubt as to who is really the boss. If there is such a council, it will be hand-picked by the BigBad rather than being elected or passing some sort of qualification test, and will often include TheDragon.
21st Aug '17 11:28:43 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Many books in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse use this trope just as much as the movies did, but not all. Timothy Zahn's novels tend to feature an Empire that's, well, more complex than BlackAndWhiteMorality. In the HandOfThrawn duology, it's not evil at all, and the Supreme Commander is trying to [[PeaceConference make peace]] with the New Republic. Problem is, there are some Imperials who refuse to let that happen...

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* Many books in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse use this trope just as much as the movies did, but not all. Timothy Zahn's novels tend to feature an Empire that's, well, more complex than BlackAndWhiteMorality. In the HandOfThrawn Literature/HandOfThrawn duology, it's not evil at all, and the Supreme Commander is trying to [[PeaceConference make peace]] with the New Republic. Problem is, there are some Imperials who refuse to let that happen...
28th Apr '17 6:24:43 PM KrspaceT
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** In ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]'' the Autobots government, while still a republic, appears to be a military dictatorship run by a junta. The High Council has one civilian member Alpha Trion, who mentions that he does not have any power. All the rest appear to be heads of branches of the military with the Magnus acting as chair.

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** In ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]'' the Autobots government, while still a republic, appears to be a military dictatorship run by a junta. The High Council has one civilian member Alpha Trion, who mentions that he does not have any power. All the rest appear to be heads of branches of the military with the Magnus acting as chair. Meanwhile the expanded universe of Animated notes other galactic governments that include the Decepticon Empire, the Quintesson Pan Galactic Co-Prosperity Sphere, and the Nebulon Republic, with the Republic mentioned as being kind and nice and the Sphere as cutthroat and wicked (by a nominal Decepticon no less).
14th Mar '17 1:24:30 AM Trying2CIt
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This trope originates in the wake of the success of anti-monarchical revolutions, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution and UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution. The American Revolution is commonly invoked as an example of brave Americans fighting for democracy and freedom from the tyrannical British monarchy. [[note]]Although, ironically, the war was a {{subversion}} of this trope, seeing as both sides were democratic: Britain was a ''constitutional'' monarchy, remember. The Americans were also backed by the absolute monarch of France UsefulNotes/LouisXVI who would invite his own revolution in turn; ''which was inspired by the very revolution he'd supported''[[/note]] The French Revolution is also portrayed like this though with greater focus on fears of mob rule, with the revolutionaries more likely to be shown as {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s or HeWhoFightsMonsters. In either case, neither revolutions are shown in the context of its time and place, with attention to its complexity and multiple causes. So it directly feeds into this trope's binary opposition between a Republic that is Good and an Empire or Kingdom that is Bad. What both revolutions did achieve was that it was the first time it proved that a republic can govern and rule over a large area of land, taking apart what was formerly believed to be the main argument in favor of Kingdoms, that republics were good for city states but not for large areas.

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This trope originates in the wake of the success of anti-monarchical revolutions, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution and UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution. The American Revolution is commonly invoked as an example of brave Americans fighting for democracy and freedom from the tyrannical British monarchy. [[note]]Although, ironically, the war was a {{subversion}} of this trope, seeing as both sides were democratic: Britain was a ''constitutional'' monarchy, remember. The Americans were also backed by the absolute monarch of France UsefulNotes/LouisXVI who would invite his own revolution in turn; ''which was inspired by the very revolution he'd supported''[[/note]] The French Revolution is also portrayed like this though with greater focus on fears of mob rule, with the revolutionaries more likely to be shown as {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s or HeWhoFightsMonsters. In either case, neither revolutions are revolution is shown in the context of its time and place, with attention to its complexity and multiple causes. So it directly feeds into this trope's binary opposition between a Republic that is Good and an Empire or Kingdom that is Bad. What both revolutions did achieve was that it was the first time it proved that a republic can govern and rule over a large area of land, taking apart what was formerly believed to be the main argument in favor of Kingdoms, that republics were good for city states but not for large areas.



** A republic with a king isn't such a strange idea, depending on how powerful the king is; a state with a figurehead monarch will tend to function as a republic in practice, but since the term "republic" tends to connote the absence of any kind of monarch it will rarely if ever be called that in RealLife.

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** A republic with a king isn't such a strange idea, depending on how powerful the king is; a state with a figurehead monarch will tend to function as a republic in practice, but since the term "republic" tends to connote the absence of any kind of monarch it will rarely rarely, if ever ever, be called that in RealLife.
27th Jan '17 7:37:36 AM LordInsane
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** While TheFederation is ostensibly a democracy, its member worlds have been shown to be somewhat mixed as to their form of government. An episode of [[StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the Original Series]] had a member world where the elites lived in a cloud city while the workers, who were little more than slaves due to the conditions of the mines, lived on the surface in caves.

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** While TheFederation is ostensibly a democracy, its member worlds have been shown to be somewhat mixed as to their form of government. An episode of [[StarTrekTheOriginalSeries [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the Original Series]] had a member world where the elites lived in a cloud city while the workers, who were little more than slaves due to the conditions of the mines, lived on the surface in caves.caves (this ''was'' supposedly contrary to Federation membership requirements, however, but they still managed to keep it hidden for a long time).
** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' reveals that one of the founding governments of the Federation was an Empire in name -- and the Andorians were not presented as any worse than the Vulcans, and definitely better than the lurking Romulan Star Empire or the looming Klingon Empire.
28th Dec '16 10:43:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ShiningForceIII'' features the Republic of Aspinia (which has a ''king'') and the Empire of Destonia. Guess which one's evil!

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* ''ShiningForceIII'' ''VideoGame/ShiningForceIII'' features the Republic of Aspinia (which has a ''king'') and the Empire of Destonia. Guess which one's evil!



** It's actually averted in ''ShiningForceIII''. On disc I ([[BadExportForYou the only disc that came to the U.S.]]), you play as the Republic against the Empire and the Cultists. On disc II, you play as the Empire against the Republic and the Cultists. Disc III is when everyone realizes that the Cultists are the only real bad guys and go against them.
* Played straight as an arrow in ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', with Darth Malak as the absolute authority over the evil Sith Empire and the Dark Jedi themselves battling the Senate-controlled Republic and the Council-ruled Jedi.

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** It's actually averted in ''ShiningForceIII''.''VideoGame/ShiningForceIII''. On disc I ([[BadExportForYou the only disc that came to the U.S.]]), you play as the Republic against the Empire and the Cultists. On disc II, you play as the Empire against the Republic and the Cultists. Disc III is when everyone realizes that the Cultists are the only real bad guys and go against them.
* Played straight as an arrow in ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', with Darth Malak as the absolute authority over the evil Sith Empire and the Dark Jedi themselves battling the Senate-controlled Republic and the Council-ruled Jedi.
24th Dec '16 3:02:21 AM 20thcenturyvole
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* Played with in ''Series/BabylonFive'' with the Centauri Republic. It's called a ''republic'', and its main representative is Londo, [[BeneathTheMask a harmless, funny old drunk dreaming of distant glories]] - plus, they gave the humans hyperdrive technology! What a nice bunch. However, as the series progresses, it becomes apparent that the Centauri "Republic" is actually a technologically advanced absolute monarchy at the whim of a DeadlyDecadentCourt, which given half the chance begins rapidly expanding again and soon embroils the galaxy in a bloody conflict.
8th Dec '16 7:49:55 AM Morgenthaler
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* When Captain Marvel overthrows an evil monarch in that era he always had a democracy set up.

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* When Captain Marvel ComicBook/CaptainMarvel overthrows an evil monarch in that era he always had a democracy set up.
16th Nov '16 2:09:25 PM LordInsane
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* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' has what may well be an in-universe invocation of this (even if it plays it straight): the Romulan Star Empire (after the Hobus incident) have developed into a combined military dictatorship/police state with Sela having enshrined herself as a ruling Empress and having the Senate under her thumb, while working in alliance with the Tal Shiar to maintain control over other colony worlds. The Romulan ''Republic'' starts the game as a rebel movement consisting of a coalition of Reunificationists[[note]]Romulans who want to reconnect with Vulcan and Surak's followers[[/note]], other Romulan and Reman dissidents and Romulans who got driven to dissidence over having serious reservations about Sela's and the Tal Shiar's methods, and early on colonises a world to serve as a capital for setting up a rival government (an alliance with the Federation and the Klingon Empire acts as a shield to keep Sela from just launching a full-scale invasion) explicitly meant to be a more open, freer society than the old Star Empire, and to all appearances living up to that.
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