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14th Dec '15 12:39:26 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Film/ANewHope'', Han scoffs at Obi-Wan's coaching of Luke in Jedi weaponry and ethos as impractical and antiquated.

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* Film/ANewHope'', ''Film/ANewHope'', Han scoffs at Obi-Wan's coaching of Luke in Jedi weaponry and ethos as impractical and antiquated.
14th Dec '15 11:14:50 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Ironically, Creator/HarrisonFord had flirted with this trope himself in ''Film/ANewHope'', when Han scoffed at Obi-Wan's coaching of Luke in Jedi weaponry, and ethos, as impractical and antiquated.

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** Ironically, Creator/HarrisonFord had flirted with this trope himself in ''Film/ANewHope'', when * Film/ANewHope'', Han scoffed scoffs at Obi-Wan's coaching of Luke in Jedi weaponry, weaponry and ethos, ethos as impractical and antiquated.



* Hagbard Celine in ''The Literature/{{Illuminatus}} Trilogy'' explains people fall in neophobes and neophiles, with 90% of the population being neophobes, afraid of change, and that these people are in the end, right.
** There's absolutely no moral dimension in being a neophobe or neophile. All heroes and all villains fall squarely in the neophile category.
14th Dec '15 11:12:55 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Film/TimeBandits'', Evil jeers at the way God bothered with such things as butterflies. He's going straight to hi-tech.
-->''If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!''
** For good measure, when God appears at the end, he manifests as a somewhat officious old man in a gray suit.

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* In ''Film/TimeBandits'', Evil jeers at the way God bothered with such things as butterflies. He's going straight Supreme Being is an old British gentleman in a conservative gray suit. Evil, on the other hand, is a biomechanical man in an industrialized fortress who wants to hi-tech.
reimagine the world around technology.
-->''If I were creating the world world, I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!''
** For good measure, when God appears at the end, he manifests as a somewhat officious old man in a gray suit.
One!''
5th Nov '15 4:21:00 PM StFan
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* TomStrong had an issue with a glimpse into the future where he and his family fight a Nazi[[spoiler: (the son of a female Nazi supersoldier who had impregnated herself with a sperm sample taken from Tom while he was briefly captured during WWII)]] who uses this trope to attack the Strong family's idealism. Tom shoots back with a ShutUpHannibal and makes the case that there have been tyrants and despots since the dawn of history, and that those ideologies are the ones that are obsolete and outdated.

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* TomStrong had ''ComicBook/TomStrong'' has an issue with a glimpse into the future where he and his family fight a Nazi[[spoiler: (the Nazi [[spoiler:(the son of a female Nazi supersoldier who had impregnated herself with a sperm sample taken from Tom while he was briefly captured during WWII)]] who uses this trope to attack the Strong family's idealism. Tom shoots back with a ShutUpHannibal and makes the case that there have been tyrants and despots since the dawn of history, and that those ideologies are the ones that are obsolete and outdated.
27th Sep '15 11:35:00 PM MechWarrior
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* Merla, self-styled Queen of Darkness from an old episode of ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''

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* Merla, self-styled Queen of Darkness from an old episode of ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''''Anime/{{Voltron}}''.



* This is the main point of contention between Kotetsu and Barnaby in ''TigerAndBunny'' -- Kotetsu is an old-fashioned [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]], while Barnaby is a new-age PunchClockHero.

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* This is the main point of contention between Kotetsu and Barnaby in ''TigerAndBunny'' ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' -- Kotetsu is an old-fashioned [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]], while Barnaby is a new-age PunchClockHero.



* In UltimateMarvel, at some point Ultimate Cap, who like all characters in that universe is somewhat less good, is taken aback and disturbed by the Ultimate incestuous relationship between Ultimate Quicksilver and Ultimate Scarlet Witch. Ultimate Wasp berates him for having "20th Century morals". Because BrotherSisterIncest is so modern and awesome, apparently. Not all the Ultimates actually felt that way, though--Hawkeye did call the relationship sick.

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* In UltimateMarvel, ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, at some point Ultimate Cap, who like all characters in that universe is somewhat less good, is taken aback and disturbed by the Ultimate incestuous relationship between Ultimate Quicksilver and Ultimate Scarlet Witch. Ultimate Wasp berates him for having "20th Century morals". Because BrotherSisterIncest is so modern and awesome, apparently. Not all the Ultimates actually felt that way, though--Hawkeye did call the relationship sick.



** There's an older example from [[NinetiesAntiHero Azrael]] during Batman: {{Knightfall}}.

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** There's an older example from [[NinetiesAntiHero Azrael]] during Batman: {{Knightfall}}.ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}.



* {{Superman}} gets this a few time by anti-heroes; needless to say he proves them wrong.

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* {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} gets this a few time by anti-heroes; needless to say he proves them wrong.



** In ''SupermanAtEarthsEnd'', Ben Boxer attempts to convince Superman that his adamant refusal to kill is old-fashioned and out of touch with reality. Superman's response, [[MemeticMutation made famous]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]; "Reality is, you're just an android. '''I AM A MAN!'''" But then he uses an enormously oversized gun to mow down the [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains Of The Week]] and their hench-army anyway, before [[BrokenAesop delivering a message about how guns are bad]]. And now you know why Linkara featured this comic.

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** In ''SupermanAtEarthsEnd'', ''ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd'', Ben Boxer attempts to convince Superman that his adamant refusal to kill is old-fashioned and out of touch with reality. Superman's response, [[MemeticMutation made famous]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]; "Reality is, you're just an android. '''I AM A MAN!'''" But then he uses an enormously oversized gun to mow down the [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains Of The Week]] and their hench-army anyway, before [[BrokenAesop delivering a message about how guns are bad]]. And now you know why Linkara featured this comic.



* In Film/{{Dragonheart}}, villain characters frequently sneer that Bowen's moral code -- the code of chivalry -- is old-fashioned and irrelevant.

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* In Film/{{Dragonheart}}, ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'', villain characters frequently sneer that Bowen's moral code -- the code of chivalry -- is old-fashioned and irrelevant.



* In Creator/AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', the Ancient League is five days old but dedicated to ancient traditions.

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* In Creator/AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt ''[[Literature/ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', the Ancient League is five days old but dedicated to ancient traditions.
27th Sep '15 11:28:05 PM MechWarrior
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* Depressingly enough, the idea that democracy is aimless mob rule and that enlightened tyranny was the way forward was actually a ''very'' popular viewpoint among turn of the century intellectuals, with Nietzsche being the TropeMaker. Many average people believed it too, feeling that a strong nationalistic leader who would put the good of the people first was preferable to elected bodies that would squabble at best and line their own pockets at worst. It took World War II to demolish that perspective by demonstrating just how disastrously ''bad'' it can be when you give [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one man]], obsessed with protecting "his" people, absolute power.

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* Depressingly enough, the idea that democracy is aimless mob rule and that enlightened tyranny was the way forward was actually a ''very'' popular viewpoint among turn of the century intellectuals, with Nietzsche being the TropeMaker.[[TropeMakers Trope Maker]]. Many average people believed it too, feeling that a strong nationalistic leader who would put the good of the people first was preferable to elected bodies that would squabble at best and line their own pockets at worst. It took World War II to demolish that perspective by demonstrating just how disastrously ''bad'' it can be when you give [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one man]], obsessed with protecting "his" people, absolute power.
23rd Sep '15 11:50:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is both invoked and discussed in ''Film/TheAvengers'', mostly regarding Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. The conclusion is that old-fashioned heroism is [[JustifiedTrope exactly what people need]] during Earth's DarkestHour.

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* This is both invoked and discussed in ''Film/TheAvengers'', ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', mostly regarding Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. The conclusion is that old-fashioned heroism is [[JustifiedTrope exactly what people need]] during Earth's DarkestHour.
23rd Sep '15 11:49:51 AM Morgenthaler
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* In MadeleineLEngle's ''ManyWaters'', the nephilim and their followers have this attitude, in contrast to their "brothers", the seraphim.
* In AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', the Ancient League is five days old but dedicated to ancient traditions.

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* In MadeleineLEngle's ''ManyWaters'', Creator/MadeleineLEngle's ''Literature/ManyWaters'', the nephilim and their followers have this attitude, in contrast to their "brothers", the seraphim.
* In AdrianTchaikovsky's Creator/AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', the Ancient League is five days old but dedicated to ancient traditions.



* Shane of ''TheWalkingDead'' runs on this concept, insisting that the heroes cannot survive the apocalypse while holding onto virtue. Dale adamantly opposes this belief.

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* Shane of ''TheWalkingDead'' ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' runs on this concept, insisting that the heroes cannot survive the apocalypse while holding onto virtue. Dale adamantly opposes this belief.
6th Aug '15 10:46:25 AM MontyPythonFanatic2
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': After [[spoiler: the Incredibles defeat the Omnidroid and save their city]], we get this exchange from two onlookers:
--> '''Onlooker #1:''' You see that? That's the way to do it. That's old school!
--> '''Onlooker #2:''' Yeah. No school like the old school.
9th Jul '15 3:08:56 PM HeroGal2347
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* In the video series ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresInOdyssey'', "Baby Daze", the BigBad calls Eugene's morals "outdated."
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