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2nd Dec '17 6:25:16 PM Kamiguy123
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* Touma from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. Practically the only skill he has against his enemies is his intellect, as Imagine Breaker has extremely limited range (he has to be literally touching the thing for it to work). He will often let himself take multiple punches that he knows he can manage if it will give him a chance to get in one good shot against his opponent.

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* Kamijou Touma from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. Practically the only skill he has against his enemies is his intellect, as [[AntiMagic Imagine Breaker Breaker]] has extremely limited range (he has to be literally touching the thing for it to work). He will often let himself take multiple punches that he knows he can manage if it will give him a chance to get in one good shot against his opponent.
20th Nov '17 9:17:31 PM DVB
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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[QuirkyBard Elan]] -- who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; she is pretty smart, but her warped view of the world leads her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.

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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[QuirkyBard Elan]] -- who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; while she is pretty smart, but an intellgient and powerful paladin, her very warped and self-centered view of the world leads causes her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.decisions.
17th Nov '17 2:59:43 PM StFan
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'''Good Is Not Dumb''' is the trope where a [[NiceGuy sincerely good, kind, and polite character]] is [[GoodIsDumb underestimated by others because of their kind nature]].

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'''Good Good Is Not Dumb''' Dumb is the trope where a [[NiceGuy sincerely good, kind, and polite character]] is [[GoodIsDumb underestimated by others because of their kind nature]].






** His eldest son Gohan is the kind of boy parents would love their daughters to bring home: nice, polite etc. He's also a full fledged GeniusBruiser who gets straight A's and smashes around beings stronger than ''the Gods themselves!!''

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** His eldest son Gohan is the kind of boy parents would love their daughters to bring home: nice, polite etc. He's also a full fledged full-fledged GeniusBruiser who gets straight A's and smashes around beings stronger than ''the Gods themselves!!''






* ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} may be one of the most genuinely nice and beloved characters in the DCU, a WideEyedIdealist that always tries to see the best in people, but he is not and never will be stupid.
** Translates over to when he took over as Batman. When the villain of ''ComicBook/BatmanTheBlackMirror'' overestimates Dick's faith in the good of people, Dick takes advantage.
--->'''''Batman:''''' I ''am'' a softy and I do try to see the best in people... but that doesn't mean I'm ''stupid.''

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* ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} may be one of the most genuinely nice and beloved characters in the DCU, a WideEyedIdealist that always tries to see the best in people, but he is not and never will be stupid.
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stupid. Translates over to when he took over as Batman. When the villain of ''ComicBook/BatmanTheBlackMirror'' overestimates Dick's faith in the good of people, Dick takes advantage.
--->'''''Batman:''''' -->'''''Batman:''''' I ''am'' a softy and I do try to see the best in people... but that doesn't mean I'm ''stupid.''



* {{Superman}} sometimes invokes this trope, often when an AntiHero claims that GoodIsOldFashioned....Except when [[Creator/FrankMiller certain writers]] depict him as an idiot on the assumption that anyone that powerful ''must'' be DumbMuscle and even then he solves problems with specific applications of that muscle.

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* {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} sometimes invokes this trope, often when an AntiHero claims that GoodIsOldFashioned....Except when [[Creator/FrankMiller certain writers]] depict him as an idiot on the assumption that anyone that powerful ''must'' be DumbMuscle and even then he solves problems with specific applications of that muscle.



* SpiderMan certainly has his flaws; he's hot headed, neurotic and can occasionally descend into bouts of self-pity, yet he's still extremely loyal to his loved ones, lives by a very strict ThouShaltNotKill code and above all else, he values responsibility. He also happens to be a genius scientist.

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* SpiderMan ComicBook/SpiderMan certainly has his flaws; he's hot headed, hot-headed, neurotic and can occasionally descend into bouts of self-pity, yet he's still extremely loyal to his loved ones, lives by a very strict ThouShaltNotKill code and above all else, he values responsibility. He also happens to be a genius scientist.



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* The dwarven noble protagonist in [[Fanfic/DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns this]] ''Dragon Age'' fanfiction can is an embodiment of this trope.
* The [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Reasonable_Marines Reasonable Marines]], a fanmade Space Marine Chapter for ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', will attempt diplomacy first whenever possible, which makes then positively heretical in the shoot-first-ask-questions-never Imperium of Man. The fool that refuses their overtures gets to be on the receiving end of stealth tactics, combined arms and all-around {{Combat Pragmatis|t}}m.
* In ''FanFic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders'' Arthur Weasley came up with a diversion which made ''Lucius Malfoy'' wonder when he'd become so clever.
* In ''FanFic/{{Sight}}'' The Visored thought Ichigo was extremely naive when he decides to spare [[spoiler: Grimmjow after he escapes Aizen]] instead of killing him. While Ichigo didn't want to kill [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] in cold blood, he does have another reason. Ichigo is wise enough that [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] wouldn't be swayed into joining their side by appealing to his morality. He tells [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] that he doesn't care what [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] does as long as he stays on the sidelines, doesn't try to return to Aizen or attack Ichigo or any of his friends. Thus depriving Aizen of a potential warrior [[spoiler: that knows how to find the Visoreds' secret base]] and better impressing [[spoiler: Grimmjow.]] It works as [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] decides to help Ichigo with his Hollow powers than return to Aizen or remain on the sidelines.
* ''FanFic/TheVerySecretDiary'': Tom Riddle looks down at Ginny, belittling her as a dumb little pawn. Ginny, however, ends up figuring out Tom's web of lies, and by combining willpower and the concern of her friends and family, ends up delaying his plans by several weeks, and is able to deduce his true origins.
* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, evacuates everyone else, and lets the consequences of their own purist, isolationist ideology and Voldemort's "leadership" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].

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* The dwarven noble protagonist in [[Fanfic/DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns this]] ''[[Fanfic/DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns The Crown of Thorns]]'', a ''Dragon Age'' fanfiction can fanfiction, is an embodiment of this trope.
* The [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Reasonable_Marines Reasonable Marines]], a fanmade Space Marine Chapter for ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'', will attempt diplomacy first whenever possible, which makes then positively heretical in the shoot-first-ask-questions-never Imperium of Man. The fool that refuses their overtures gets to be on the receiving end of stealth tactics, combined arms and all-around {{Combat Pragmatis|t}}m.
* In ''FanFic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders'' ''Fanfic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders'' Arthur Weasley came up with a diversion which made ''Lucius Malfoy'' wonder when he'd become so clever.
* In ''FanFic/{{Sight}}'' ''Fanfic/{{Sight}}'' The Visored thought Ichigo was extremely naive when he decides to spare [[spoiler: Grimmjow after he escapes Aizen]] instead of killing him. While Ichigo didn't want to kill [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] in cold blood, he does have another reason. Ichigo is wise enough that [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] wouldn't be swayed into joining their side by appealing to his morality. He tells [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] that he doesn't care what [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] does as long as he stays on the sidelines, doesn't try to return to Aizen or attack Ichigo or any of his friends. Thus depriving Aizen of a potential warrior [[spoiler: that knows how to find the Visoreds' secret base]] and better impressing [[spoiler: Grimmjow.]] It works as [[spoiler: Grimmjow]] decides to help Ichigo with his Hollow powers than return to Aizen or remain on the sidelines.
* ''FanFic/TheVerySecretDiary'': ''Fanfic/TheVerySecretDiary'': Tom Riddle looks down at Ginny, belittling her as a dumb little pawn. Ginny, however, ends up figuring out Tom's web of lies, and by combining willpower and the concern of her friends and family, ends up delaying his plans by several weeks, and is able to deduce his true origins.
* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': ''Fanfic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, evacuates everyone else, and lets the consequences of their own purist, isolationist ideology and Voldemort's "leadership" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].



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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars 2}}'', Mater's simple nature belies the fact that he's a genius at recognizing obscure car parts at a glance. [[spoiler:He later uses this to identify Sir Miles Axelrod as the mastermind behind the efforts to sabotage the World Grand Prix.]]
* In ''{{Disney/Zootopia}},'' [[WordOfSaintPaul Judy's voice actress]] specifically addresses the character this way: she's [[NaiveNewcomer new to the city]] and a cheerful idealist, but that doesn't mean that you should underestimate her. She does fall for [[CunningLikeAFox Nick]]'s hustle when they first meet, causing him to dismiss her as a "dumb bunny," but after that she's wise to his schemes and tricks him into giving her the information that she needs to blackmail him. By movie's end, the two are working together to [[OutGambitted Out-Gambit]] the villains.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars 2}}'', ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', Mater's simple nature belies the fact that he's a genius at recognizing obscure car parts at a glance. [[spoiler:He later uses this to identify Sir Miles Axelrod as the mastermind behind the efforts to sabotage the World Grand Prix.]]
* In ''{{Disney/Zootopia}},'' ''Disney/{{Zootopia}},'' [[WordOfSaintPaul Judy's voice actress]] specifically addresses the character this way: she's [[NaiveNewcomer new to the city]] and a cheerful idealist, but that doesn't mean that you should underestimate her. She does fall for [[CunningLikeAFox Nick]]'s hustle when they first meet, causing him to dismiss her as a "dumb bunny," but after that she's wise to his schemes and tricks him into giving her the information that she needs to blackmail him. By movie's end, the two are working together to [[OutGambitted Out-Gambit]] the villains.



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-->"You're not the anti-Christ. You're just a malcontent who knows how to spell."

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-->"You're -->'''Coulmier:''' You're not the anti-Christ. You're just a malcontent who knows how to spell."



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* The Doctor on ''Series/{{Doctor Who}}'' frequently makes use of this to his own advantage. Although his kindness is almost always genuine, it frequently earns the scorn of various despots, tyrants and baddies who assume him to be simple minded or naive.

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* The Doctor on ''Series/{{Doctor Who}}'' ''Series/DoctorWho'' frequently makes use of this to his own advantage. Although his kindness is almost always genuine, it frequently earns the scorn of various despots, tyrants and baddies who assume him to be simple minded simple-minded or naive.



* On Season 2 of ''Series/TheAmazingRace'', Tara & Wil and Chris & Alex constantly ragged on Blake for being an idiot, despite this, he made several brilliant strategic moves, including being the first team to beg for money, getting his bags on a flight when all the other teams had to check theirs, and getting preferred parking on a ferry, most of which were decried by the above teams as "cheating".

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On Season 2 of ''Series/TheAmazingRace'', 2, Tara & Wil and Chris & Alex constantly ragged on Blake for being an idiot, despite this, he made several brilliant strategic moves, including being the first team to beg for money, getting his bags on a flight when all the other teams had to check theirs, and getting preferred parking on a ferry, most of which were decried by the above teams as "cheating".



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* The ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' supplement for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' makes a point of saying, early on, that Good does not equal stupid. A Good character won't leave a village to be eaten by a dragon, but they're perfectly allowed to ask questions about its power, its minions, and where it's living - they aren't obligated to charge in blind.
** The same book also notes that good characters don't have to be even be too trusting and take the information of aforementioned example at a face value - all of it may be a villain's trap, after all.

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* The ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' supplement for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' makes a point of saying, early on, that Good does not equal stupid. A Good character won't leave a village to be eaten by a dragon, but they're perfectly allowed to ask questions about its power, its minions, and where it's living - -- they aren't obligated to charge in blind.
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blind. The same book also notes that good characters don't have to be even be too trusting and take the information of aforementioned example at a face value - -- all of it may be a villain's trap, after all.



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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[QuirkyBard Elan]] - who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; she is pretty smart, but her warped view of the world leads her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.

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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[QuirkyBard Elan]] - -- who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; she is pretty smart, but her warped view of the world leads her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.



-->'''Castle Heterodyne:''' [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Wulfenbach sparks are known for their oversized machinery, you know.]] [Agatha blushes.]
** When he does flip out and [[LampshadeHanging brings this up]], he scares some very hard to scare people, while delivering an [[CurbstompBattle incredible beatdown]] to the oversized war criminal sent to retrieve him. And at the end:
--->'''Gil:''' Well, you '''know what'''? I can '''do''' crazy. I '''really can'''. And it looks like I'm going to '''have''' to. Agatha is in danger. This '''whole town''' is in danger. If I'm going to be able to help her '''at all''', I'm going to have to give up all this '''"being reasonable"''' garbage and show you '''idiots''' what kind of madboy you're '''''really dealing with!''''' [Smashes Vole apparently through a wall, {{Beat}}, sudden wide eyes] ...oh. Oh, ''no.'' This must be [[KnightTemplar how my]] '''[[KnightTemplar father]]''' [[KnightTemplar feels]] - '''''all the time!'''''

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-->'''Castle Heterodyne:''' [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Wulfenbach sparks are known for their oversized machinery, you know.]] [Agatha blushes.]
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''[Agatha blushes]''
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When he does flip out and [[LampshadeHanging brings this up]], he scares some very hard to scare people, while delivering an [[CurbstompBattle incredible beatdown]] to the oversized war criminal sent to retrieve him. And at the end:
--->'''Gil:'''
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-->'''Gil:'''
Well, you '''know what'''? I can '''do''' crazy. I '''really can'''. And it looks like I'm going to '''have''' to. Agatha is in danger. This '''whole town''' is in danger. If I'm going to be able to help her '''at all''', I'm going to have to give up all this '''"being reasonable"''' garbage and show you '''idiots''' what kind of madboy you're '''''really dealing with!''''' [Smashes ''[Smashes Vole apparently through a wall, {{Beat}}, {{beat}}, sudden wide eyes] ...eyes]'' ...oh. Oh, ''no.'' This must be [[KnightTemplar how my]] '''[[KnightTemplar father]]''' [[KnightTemplar feels]] - '''''all the time!'''''



* In the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' episode "Flash and Substance," Orion asks why Central City would honor a buffoon like the Flash, "who makes bad jokes, who concerns with pitiful men like the Trickster." But the Flash is anything but dumb--he's able to handle the Trickster without throwing a single punch. In fact, he actually convinces the Trickster to happily turn himself in to the police.
** He also defeated the InsufferableGenius Grodd in one episode by outsmarting him, leading his teammate GreenLantern to remark "Well, maybe you aren't an idiot." (Probably being at least partially sarcastic.)
** You can tell that even Batman is almost envious of his ability to quietly shut down a super-foe without violence, something he cannot imagine being able to do in Gotham... or anywhere else, for that matter. It does help that The Rogues (In the animations) are {{Punch Clock Villain}}s rather than crazies Batman has to deal with. The Comics are another story:
---> '''Flash''': "Do you think the Rogues here are simple? Do you think just because they aren't mentally screwed to the hilt that I have an easy time? Your guys are different, Bruce. They work on a completely cerebral level. They leave clues. They like to kill. My guys? They're organized."

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' episode "Flash and Substance," Substance"n Orion asks why Central City would honor a buffoon like the Flash, "who makes bad jokes, who concerns with pitiful men like the Trickster." But the Flash is anything but dumb--he's dumb -- he's able to handle the Trickster without throwing a single punch. In fact, he actually convinces the Trickster to happily turn himself in to the police.
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police. He also defeated the InsufferableGenius Grodd in one episode by outsmarting him, leading his teammate GreenLantern Franchise/GreenLantern to remark "Well, maybe you aren't an idiot." (Probably being at least partially sarcastic.)
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) You can tell that even Batman is almost envious of his ability to quietly shut down a super-foe without violence, something he cannot imagine being able to do in Gotham... or anywhere else, for that matter. It does help that The the Rogues (In (in the animations) are {{Punch Clock Villain}}s rather than crazies Batman has to deal with. The Comics are another story:
---> '''Flash''': "Do -->'''Flash:''' Do you think the Rogues here are simple? Do you think just because they aren't mentally screwed to the hilt that I have an easy time? Your guys are different, Bruce. They work on a completely cerebral level. They leave clues. They like to kill. My guys? They're organized."



* Superman, in [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries his latest animated incarnation]], got to show and/or prove this a lot. Sometimes he's surprised by something he's never seen before, especially in the early episodes, when he was fresh off the farm and just beginning his heroic career. But if you try the same trick on him more than once, you'll find that he's figured out ''exactly'' what your deal is and how to stop you. Compare how befuddled he was by [[OutsideContextProblem Mxyzptlk]] during their first encounter with how he almost effortlessly owns the extradimensional imp every time after that.

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* Superman, in [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries his latest animated incarnation]], got ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'': Superman gets to show and/or prove this a lot. Sometimes he's surprised by something he's never seen before, especially in the early episodes, when he was fresh off the farm and just beginning his heroic career. But if you try the same trick on him more than once, you'll find that he's figured out ''exactly'' what your deal is and how to stop you. Compare how befuddled he was by [[OutsideContextProblem Mxyzptlk]] during their first encounter with how he almost effortlessly owns the extradimensional imp every time after that.



* In the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness'' episode, "Bosom Enemies," Po bends over backwards trying to let Taotie redeem himself, only to have him throw it away at being called an "assistant," and attack the panda and his friends. However, Taotie seems to have turned again and helps Po stop his machine and for a second it seems that Po has forgiven him. However, it turns out that even Po is not that naive and this treacherous villain is next shown in Chorh-Gom Prison.
* [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Optimus Primal]], quite possibly the intellectual equal of MagnificentBastard Megatron, and more than once able to let the bad guys play right into his hands. Also a great guy in general, and a friend to all the Maximals under his command. Would rather not have to fight, but is very good at it.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness'' episode, episode "Bosom Enemies," Enemies", Po bends over backwards trying to let Taotie redeem himself, only to have him throw it away at being called an "assistant," "assistant"n and attack the panda and his friends. However, Taotie seems to have turned again and helps Po stop his machine and for a second it seems that Po has forgiven him. However, it turns out that even Po is not that naive and this treacherous villain is next shown in Chorh-Gom Prison.
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* [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'':
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Optimus Primal]], Primal, quite possibly the intellectual equal of MagnificentBastard Megatron, and more than once able to let the bad guys play right into his hands. Also a great guy in general, and a friend to all the Maximals under his command. Would rather not have to fight, but is very good at it.



* Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard, has been held up for centuries as the [[KnightInShiningArmor exemplar of chivalric virtue]], loyal, honourable, pious, noble and kind, admired by friend and foe alike, his name a byword for heroism and goodness. He was also one of the most effective military commanders of his day, in a large part because of his extremely practical approach to war - he demanded discipline and professionalism from both his cavalry and infantry (who other French commanders of the age disdained as a rabble), and made extensive use of espionage and reconnaissance to maintain awareness of his enemies' movements. In other words, he was the complete opposite of the stereotype of the idiot aristocrat whose only tactic is "charge".

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* Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard, has been held up for centuries as the [[KnightInShiningArmor exemplar of chivalric virtue]], loyal, honourable, honorable, pious, noble and kind, admired by friend and foe alike, his name a byword for heroism and goodness. He was also one of the most effective military commanders of his day, in a large part because of his extremely practical approach to war - -- he demanded discipline and professionalism from both his cavalry and infantry (who other French commanders of the age disdained as a rabble), and made extensive use of espionage and reconnaissance to maintain awareness of his enemies' movements. In other words, he was the complete opposite of the stereotype of the idiot aristocrat whose only tactic is "charge".
"charge".



14th Nov '17 12:44:55 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Unlike ObfuscatingStupidity, GoodIsNotDumb does not involve any deception at all -- the subject is ''genuinely'' nice and honest, but the [[CynicismTropes cynicism of others]] lead them to misread the character as TheDitz, a GentlemanThief, or some other [[WideEyedIdealist gullible]] or [[BitchInSheepsClothing deceptive archetype]]. After all, no one ''really'' [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids gets through life being kind and trusting to everyone]], right?

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Unlike ObfuscatingStupidity, GoodIsNotDumb Good Is Not Dumb does not involve any deception at all -- the subject is ''genuinely'' nice and honest, but the [[CynicismTropes cynicism of others]] lead them to misread the character as TheDitz, a GentlemanThief, or some other [[WideEyedIdealist gullible]] or [[BitchInSheepsClothing deceptive archetype]]. After all, no one ''really'' [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids gets through life being kind and trusting to everyone]], right?



A direct inversion of GoodIsDumb, GoodIsNotNice, and DumbIsGood. Someone who is GoodIsNotDumb may realize that being nice to villains simply isn't going to cut it, so they may incorporate GoodIsNotSoft. The ultimate stage of this is the GuileHero who can play TheChessmaster's game without falling into the ambiguity or clear villainy of the MagnificentBastard.

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A direct inversion of GoodIsDumb, GoodIsNotNice, and DumbIsGood. Someone who is GoodIsNotDumb Good Is Not Dumb may realize that being nice to villains simply isn't going to cut it, so they may incorporate GoodIsNotSoft. The ultimate stage of this is the GuileHero who can play TheChessmaster's game without falling into the ambiguity or clear villainy of the MagnificentBastard.
10th Oct '17 5:59:39 PM nombretomado
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* JimButcher's other series, ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', also uses this trope on the Knights of the Cross, Michael Carpenter in particular. Michael is a ChurchMilitant KnightInShiningArmor and devout Catholic, but he's also a perceptive person. If it looks like he's falling for a {{plan}}, it's because he believes it's the only honorable way to get Harry out of the latest mess and/or God will see him through it, ''never'' because he hasn't noticed the risk.

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* JimButcher's Creator/JimButcher's other series, ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', also uses this trope on the Knights of the Cross, Michael Carpenter in particular. Michael is a ChurchMilitant KnightInShiningArmor and devout Catholic, but he's also a perceptive person. If it looks like he's falling for a {{plan}}, it's because he believes it's the only honorable way to get Harry out of the latest mess and/or God will see him through it, ''never'' because he hasn't noticed the risk.
7th Oct '17 10:27:01 AM Yuihime
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* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, and lets the consequences of their own purist, isolationist ideology and Voldemort's "leadership" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].

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* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, evacuates everyone else, and lets the consequences of their own purist, isolationist ideology and Voldemort's "leadership" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].
7th Oct '17 10:23:45 AM Yuihime
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* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, and lets the consequences of [[GoneHorriblyRight their own purist, isolationist ideology]] and [[AxCrazy Voldemort's]] "[[BadBoss leadership]]" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].

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* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, and lets the consequences of [[GoneHorriblyRight their own purist, isolationist ideology]] ideology and [[AxCrazy Voldemort's]] "[[BadBoss leadership]]" Voldemort's "leadership" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].
7th Oct '17 10:23:01 AM Yuihime
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* ''FanFic/WishCarefully'': In which Harry Potter surrenders wizarding England to the Death Eaters, and lets the consequences of [[GoneHorriblyRight their own purist, isolationist ideology]] and [[AxCrazy Voldemort's]] "[[BadBoss leadership]]" [[RealityEnsues drive them to ruin]].
15th Sep '17 8:42:45 AM MaxBrain
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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[SpoonyBard Elan]] - who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; she is pretty smart, but her warped view of the world leads her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.

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* Almost all of the good guys in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' fall under this trope, with the exception of [[SpoonyBard [[QuirkyBard Elan]] - who has his moments with his extreme GenreSavvy. Paladins even state outright ([[RunningGag several times]]) that they're "Good, not dumb." [[LawfulStupid Miko]] is an inversion; she is pretty smart, but her warped view of the world leads her to make increasingly bad judgement calls.
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* Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard, has been held up for centuries as the [[KnightInShiningArmor exemplar of chivalric virtue]], loyal, honourable, pious, noble and kind, admired by friend and foe alike, his name a byword for heroism and goodness. He was also one of the most effective military commanders of his day, in a large part because of his extremely practical approach to war - he demanded discipline and professionalism from both his cavalry and infantry (who other French commanders of the age disdained as a rabble), and made extensive use of espionage and reconnaissance to maintain awareness of his enemies' movements. In other words, he was the complete opposite of the stereotype of the idiot aristocrat whose only tactic is "charge".
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