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21st Jun '16 12:32:07 PM Morgenthaler
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** Inverted by Lewis again in ''TheScrewtapeLetters'', where demons try to minimize the enjoyment people get out of sin, hating joy just like other positive emotions. Moreover, they see God as a hedonist bent on undermining the order and dignity of Hell.
* Played to a T in [[IncarnationsOfImmortality For Love Of Evil]], where the devil actually makes some parts of Hell so much more interesting than Heaven that a soul in Heaven begs Satan to take him back to Hell when he returns. Heaven itself, as Satan notes, is actually a very boring place where people spend a lot of time sitting around.

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** * Inverted by Lewis again in ''TheScrewtapeLetters'', ''Literature/TheScrewtapeLetters'', where demons try to minimize the enjoyment people get out of sin, hating joy just like other positive emotions. Moreover, they see God as a hedonist bent on undermining the order and dignity of Hell.
* Played to a T in [[IncarnationsOfImmortality [[Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality For Love Of Evil]], where the devil actually makes some parts of Hell so much more interesting than Heaven that a soul in Heaven begs Satan to take him back to Hell when he returns. Heaven itself, as Satan notes, is actually a very boring place where people spend a lot of time sitting around.



* Rand al'Thor has this reaction at the climax of TheWheelOfTime, in rather interesting and nuanced way. [[spoiler: During his duel with a powerful cosmic evil, in which each combatant forges a simulated AlternateUniverse in an effort to break the other, he creates a world totally cleansed of evil. It horrifies him, because [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul although everyone he knows is happy and good]], they also lack the free will and the capacity for evil to make being good meaningful.]]

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* Rand al'Thor has this reaction at the climax of TheWheelOfTime, Literature/TheWheelOfTime, in rather interesting and nuanced way. [[spoiler: During his duel with a powerful cosmic evil, in which each combatant forges a simulated AlternateUniverse in an effort to break the other, he creates a world totally cleansed of evil. It horrifies him, because [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul although everyone he knows is happy and good]], they also lack the free will and the capacity for evil to make being good meaningful.]]
5th May '16 2:26:07 PM aye_amber
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* One of the "Censored Eleven" WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes, ''Clean Pastures'' (1937), starts out with Heaven ("Pair-O-Dice"-- oh yes, there are reasons this is on the Censored Eleven list) losing ground to "Hades, Inc." and its Harlem jazz clubs, until Gabriel gets him some swingin' angels of his own (modeled on performers like Music/CabCalloway, Music/LouisArmstrong, and Music/FatsWaller)-- and then Good is so '''not''' Boring that ''Satan himself'' tries to get back in!

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* One of the "Censored Eleven" WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes, ''Clean Pastures'' (1937), starts out with Heaven ("Pair-O-Dice"-- oh yes, there are reasons this is on the Censored Eleven list) losing ground to "Hades, Inc." and its Harlem jazz clubs, until Gabriel gets him some swingin' angels of his own (modeled on performers like Music/CabCalloway, Music/LouisArmstrong, and Music/FatsWaller)-- ''Fats Waller'')-- and then Good is so '''not''' Boring that ''Satan himself'' tries to get back in!
28th Feb '16 11:10:40 AM nombretomado
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* This is shown as an issue between Tom and his wife in ''TheBoondocks''. Tom, a straight-laced, calm, morally upstanding man, apparently bores his wife to tears, to the point where she throws him out of the house at one especially low point, and is shown to lust after "bad boys" like [[ChrisBrown Pretty Boy Flizzy]]. Flizzy himself sums up his success with women with the term "bitches hate being bored".

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* This is shown as an issue between Tom and his wife in ''TheBoondocks''. ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks''. Tom, a straight-laced, calm, morally upstanding man, apparently bores his wife to tears, to the point where she throws him out of the house at one especially low point, and is shown to lust after "bad boys" like [[ChrisBrown [[Music/ChrisBrown Pretty Boy Flizzy]]. Flizzy himself sums up his success with women with the term "bitches hate being bored".
6th Nov '15 7:28:31 PM Berrenta
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->'''Observe this meta-example:'''
||An author attempts to create a world of only good people by disposing of the evil altogether. Doing so reveals a problem. This isn't your typical problem which leads to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt but one that would result in a far worse situation... [[EightDeadlyWords the audience becomes bored]].\\
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Living in a world of IncorruptiblePurePureness where [[IdealismTropes idealism]] reigns with a sugar-coated fist of iron would be [[GoodFeelsGood wonderful]] in every practical and realistic sense. Unfortunately for idealists, this leads to a world utterly devoid of {{conflict}} and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin constant goodness is boring to observe]].\\
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This problem can be averted entirely by a well-written [[GoodVersusGood conflict without evil involved]] or [[NoAntagonist even a villain]], and of course, a good person can be boring [[TropesAreNotBad without it reducing the excitement of the work as a whole]].||

->'''Now observe what occurs in-universe:'''
||The character is simply good, boring and... not much else. They either exist to be a moral compass to the other characters, be a foil to a villain or anti-hero, show that boring might not be so bad after all, or perhaps to be a plot device and cause the villain to overgeneralize this trope.\\
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From the villain's perspective, they might simply desire thrills that they get most easily from evil acts, resulting in the belief that since evil is far more interesting (because [[ItAmusedMe it is]]), then Good Is Boring by extension. They do not have to be correct in this belief, and the belief can be held by non-villains.||

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->'''Observe this meta-example:'''
||An author attempts to create a world of only good people by disposing of the evil altogether. Doing so reveals a problem. This isn't your typical problem which leads to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt but one that would result in a far worse situation... [[EightDeadlyWords the audience becomes bored]].\\
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Living in a world of IncorruptiblePurePureness where [[IdealismTropes idealism]] reigns with a sugar-coated fist of iron would be [[GoodFeelsGood wonderful]] in every practical and realistic sense. Unfortunately for idealists, this leads to a world utterly devoid of {{conflict}} and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin constant goodness is boring to observe]].\\
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This problem can be averted entirely by a well-written [[GoodVersusGood conflict without evil involved]] or [[NoAntagonist even a villain]], and of course, a good person can be boring [[TropesAreNotBad without it reducing the excitement of the work as a whole]].||

->'''Now observe what occurs in-universe:'''
||The
The character is simply good, boring and... not much else. They either exist to be a moral compass to the other characters, be a foil to a villain or anti-hero, show that boring might not be so bad after all, or perhaps to be a plot device and cause the villain to overgeneralize this trope.\\
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trope.

From the villain's perspective, they might simply desire thrills that they get most easily from evil acts, resulting in the belief that since evil is far more interesting (because [[ItAmusedMe it is]]), then Good Is Boring by extension. They do not have to be correct in this belief, and the belief can be held by non-villains.||
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* This is the reason why classic cartoons whose premises revolve around a chase devote much more screen time to the villanous predator; you don't see as many scenes with [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Jerry]], [[WesternAnimation/WileECoyoteAndTheRoadRunner the Road Runner]], or [[WesternAnimation/SylvesterTheCatAndTweetyBird Tweety]] as with their respective nemesis. The exceptions usually occur when it's the heroes' turn to be a NotSoAboveItAll instigator.
* Similarly ''WesternAnimation/TheDreamstone'' focuses largely on the villains more than the heroes, due to the Land Of Dreams being depicted as a near utopian SugarBowl where conflicts or even basic problems are rare without [[TheVillainMakesThePlot Zordrak and the Urpneys causing trouble]].
29th Oct '15 11:20:04 AM eroock
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-->--'''Music/TalkingHeads''', ''Heaven''

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-->--'''Music/TalkingHeads''', -->-- '''Music/TalkingHeads''', ''Heaven''
29th Oct '15 5:55:51 AM Berrenta
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You're looking for a motivation for your [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] villain to take action in order to get the plot moving, but he is so deep in his nihilism that the only motivation one can come up with is that he did it [[ItAmusedMe because it would be fun]]. However, now another side of the character has been revealed. If evil is fun to them then that must mean that he believes... [[CaptainObvious this trope!]]

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You're looking for a motivation for your [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] villain to take action in order to get the plot moving, but he is so deep in his nihilism that the only motivation one can come up with is that he did it [[ItAmusedMe because it would be fun]]. However, now another side of the character has been revealed. If evil is fun to them then that must mean that he believes... [[CaptainObvious this trope!]]
believes this.
29th Oct '15 5:42:48 AM Berrenta
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* In {{Naruto}} [[BigBad Orochimaru]] believes this. He uses a [[InsaneTrollLogic twisted logic]] to convince himself that if a windmill (the world) isn't turning (is peaceful) then it's just plain dull. Naturally, he believes things will be interesting if he destroys the leaf village. [[spoiler: It's revealed that this wasn't his only motive, since he wanted revenge on the Third Hokage]].

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* In {{Naruto}} Manga/{{Naruto}} [[BigBad Orochimaru]] believes this. He uses a [[InsaneTrollLogic twisted logic]] to convince himself that if a windmill (the world) isn't turning (is peaceful) then it's just plain dull. Naturally, he believes things will be interesting if he destroys the leaf village. [[spoiler: It's revealed that this wasn't his only motive, since he wanted revenge on the Third Hokage]].



* ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'': Tintin is the least interesting of all the characters. His adventures are exciting, but he is so good and incorruptible that it's no surprise that Haddock is far more memorable.
* ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'': Spirou has pretty much the same problem Tintin has: he is nice, brave and polite. All the comedy comes from his sidekick Fantasio.
* ''ComicBook/SuskeEnWiske'': Suske is basically incorruptible, while Wiske at least can be jealous, hysterical and/or too curious for her own good.
* ''ComicBook/TomPoes'': Tom Poes is generally nice and incorruptible. Almost to the point that he's completely overshadowed by all the other characters.
* ''ComicBook/PietPienterEnBertBibber'': Piet Pienter is especially bland compared to the impulsive, agressive coward Bert Bibber.
* ''ComicBook/BlakeAndMortimer'': Both Blake and Mortimer are incorruptible detectives with strong ethics.
* ''ComicBook/{{Jommeke}}'': Jommeke's niceness is so bland that he is the least colorful of all characters.
* ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'': Luke's only vice used to be smoking, until he quit the habit. Apart from that he is brave, nice and the greatest shooter in the West. Completely boring in other words....



* Check any biographical film. Half of them are about thieves, murderers, serial killers, gangsters, dictators, corrupt politicians or delinquents. Even with people who aren't notorious criminals there is still a tendency to make movies about people who were violent, adulterous, suffered from alcohol or drug addiction, occasionally dishonest or suffered from troubling mental disorders that made them difficult to cope with. Even films about people depicted as heroes are more interesting when they show the darker or more morally questionable side of the people. For instance, in ''Film/{{Patton}}'' general Patton is definitely portrayed as a patriotic hero. Though the movie doesn't shy away from showing his flaws too. He is depicted as an egomaniac, hits a soldier with shell shock and even gets in trouble in the final years of his life for voicing opinions that are rather close to the Nazis and Fascists . Similarly, ''Film/TheLifeAndDeathOfPeterSellers'' shows Creator/PeterSellers as a comedic genius, but also portrays him as unfaithful to his wife, vain, more focused on his work than his family and generally cold and unempathic towards his children.



* [[AvertedTrope Defied]] in the ''Literature/BookOfTheLongSun''. Silk was meant to be as interesting and as moral a character possible because [[WordOfGod Gene Wolfe]] thought that too many modern novels relied on anti-heroes as protagonists. Silk serves as an interesting foil to the blatantly anti-heroic protagonist Severian of the ''Literature/BookOfTheNewSun'', which is also part of Wolfe's "Solar Cycle" meta-verse.



* Galahad, as portrayed in various strands of ArthurianLegend, is a shining example. He is IncorruptiblePurePureness and never says, or does anything interesting. Because RightMakesMight, jousts are too easy for fun or glory.



* There's a reason why when most people read Dante they stop after [[Literature/TheDivineComedy the Inferno]], or perhaps the Purgatorio. The Paradiso is gorgeous poetry and deep theology, but is rather dull as a story.



** Creator/PeterDavison - whose Doctor was a gentle, warm-hearted, subtle and peaceful man - tends to do quite badly in "Top ''Series/DoctorWho'' Doctor" lists (though he's got his fans, like Creator/DavidTennant and Creator/StevenMoffat). This is usually assumed to be due to Davison's tenure being bookended by [[Creator/TomBaker two extremely]] [[Creator/ColinBaker loud Bakers]] - both of whom had outrageous [[RummageSaleReject fashion sense]] and [[QuirkyCurls hairstyles]], an [[LargeHam exuberant acting style]] and a willingness to be [[MinoredInAssKicking physical]], [[GoodIsNotNice sinister]] and ShootTheDog. However, hindsight shows that the Fifth Doctor often had his hands tied by the stories themselves: Eric Saward, a WriterOnBoard who preferred [[DarkerAndEdgier 'gritty']] and [[BloodierAndGorier violent]] science fiction, found the character's niceness dull and so liked to use his pacifistic nature to delay the Doctor's involvement in plots; the stereotypical Saward-edited Davison serial structure is three episodes of the Doctor hand-wringing to his companions about his dislike of DirtyBusiness, while [[PinballProtagonist lots of cool guys with guns would move the plot along]] and the Doctor would finally take charge at the end (see "Earthshock" and "Resurrection of the Daleks"). Fans like to cite "Caves of Androzani" as the high point for the Fifth Doctor's character as it works with his peaceful decency rather than against it, making him a [[BewareTheNiceOnes subtly terrifying]], noble and playful {{Determinator}} willing to go through any amount of suffering to battle his way out of the corners the universe keeps putting him in, and the ExpandedUniverse tends to use the lessons learned from this story to make the Fifth Doctor as interesting as any flamboyant, frizzy-haired Baker.
*** One of the reasons the book ''The Eight Doctors'' didn't go down terribly well is because Creator/TerranceDicks spent much of it [[ArmedWithCanon savaging the Doctors he personally dislikes]]. One of these was the Fifth Doctor, who he notes explicitly as being wet, ineffectual and boring compared to his crazier predecessor and successor. The other was the Seventh Doctor, who he savaged for being boring for the [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy exact opposite reason]].
* Similarly, many felt that Richard was the least interesting of the four main protagonists on ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker.'' Kahlan had the emotional turmoil of both [[ComesGreatResponsibility her powers]] and her later status as the last surviving Confessor. Cara was a stone cold Badass with a hint of DeadpanSnarker who was also [[DefrostingIceQueen defrosting]] from her time as a Mord'Sith. Zedd was a wizard with CrazyAwesome stamped all over him. Richard was... the hero. A BadassNormal, sure, but still a little flat compared to his companions.
* ''Series/BabylonFive'' toed this line with the Vorlons and the Shadows, although it was hard to tell at times whether Good and Evil were entering into their Order vs. Chaos struggle. Eventually, the pawns of this rivalry tell both sides to take a hike.
** Survival is good other things being equal. Manipulating other races (especially by playing on their fears and baser instincts like The Shadows do) and using them as tools for one's selfish ends is evil. Therefore the "pawns of this rivalry" are good(or grey rather) and the Vorlons and Shadows are EvilVersusEvil.



* A criticism of The Federation in general or ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' is that they're all just so ''nice''. While the other shows often feature messy personal issues, overwhelming odds or precarious politics, Picard and crew are often stuck dealing with a strange scientific phenomena or moral quandary that can make the show look dry and dull by comparison. Likewise, fans who prefer societies and races like the Klingons or Cardassians will often point to how "boring" the Federation is when compared to the messier, more exciting species.
** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it a point to deconstruct this trope, with numerous characters both within and without the Federation criticizing its bland, overly saccharine outlook. Eventually, the trope is outright subverted with [[spoiler: the reveal of Section 31]]. Needless to say, fan reactions have [[BrokenBase varied somewhat.]]

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* A criticism of The Federation in general or ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' is that they're all just so ''nice''. While the other shows often feature messy personal issues, overwhelming odds or precarious politics, Picard and crew are often stuck dealing with a strange scientific phenomena or moral quandary that can make the show look dry and dull by comparison. Likewise, fans who prefer societies and races like the Klingons or Cardassians will often point to how "boring" the Federation is when compared to the messier, more exciting species.
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''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it a point to deconstruct this trope, with numerous characters both within and without the Federation criticizing its bland, overly saccharine outlook. Eventually, the trope is outright subverted with [[spoiler: the reveal of Section 31]]. Needless to say, fan reactions have [[BrokenBase varied somewhat.]]



* In Wrestling/{{TNA}}, Wrestling/{{Raven}} taunts Lauren about her moral superiority to everyone around her, saying he knows it must make her miserable. Somewhat {{subverted| trope}} in that Raven himself is always miserable.[[/folder]]

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* In Wrestling/{{TNA}}, Wrestling/{{Raven}} taunts Lauren about her moral superiority to everyone around her, saying he knows it must make her miserable. Somewhat {{subverted| trope}} {{subverted|trope}} in that Raven himself is always miserable.[[/folder]]



** The Grey armies, the Wood Elves, Tomb Kings and Lizardmen are a mix. Wood Elves get to enjoy themselves but are insanely protective of their woods and are more like a force of nature. Tomb Kings do what they want (being undead kings) but want to stay on Settra's good side. Lizardmen are all born and bred soldiers and priests, so they're like orcs, only not as funny.



* Textbook case in ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5: Empires''. Two of the ending sequences require you to become an evil Emperor and a good Emperor, respectively. The former involves having a license to print money (and also raking in literally dozens of items), mercilessly executing everyone who annoys you, and acquiring a super-cheap means of completely refilling your ranks, all at the cost of a few token peasant uprisings and an occasional extra flood or earthquake. The latter involves taking over almost the entire empire, then doing nothing but spend enormous sums of gold and deplete your army for about six years, all for a bunch of feeble peasant militias that you won't even get to use.






** Durkon, being the stereotypical Lawful Good beer-loving tree-fearing dwarf cleric of the Order, is seen by some of the fandom as being a bit [[TheGenericGuy generic]].



** Kinda like that old saying about Hawaii: Nice place for a vacation, but you wouldn't want to live there.







* ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'', but this is more due to most of the characters in the show believing this while being major hypocrites
21st Oct '15 5:34:29 PM nombretomado
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* The Dimension of Lame from ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' epitomizes this. At first, it seems like a great place where everyone's kind and even the sewers smell like flowers. Except there's no alcohol, all swearing is censored, the only TV channels are Creator/{{PBS}} and {{Disney}}, and everyone seems to subsist entirely off rice cakes and spring water. Torg high-tails it out of there pretty quick.

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* The Dimension of Lame from ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' epitomizes this. At first, it seems like a great place where everyone's kind and even the sewers smell like flowers. Except there's no alcohol, all swearing is censored, the only TV channels are Creator/{{PBS}} and {{Disney}}, Creator/{{Disney}}, and everyone seems to subsist entirely off rice cakes and spring water. Torg high-tails it out of there pretty quick.
21st Oct '15 10:55:22 AM StFan
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* Towards the end of {{Supergod}}, the artificial metahuman Daijal who can see all possible timelines at once reveals that the joining of Krishna and Jerry Craven will result in a Singularity-based utopia... which is why Daijal immediatly detonates himself and destroys the world because he considers utopia to be so boring that extinction is preferable.

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* Towards the end of {{Supergod}}, ''ComicBook/{{Supergod}}'', the artificial metahuman Daijal who can see all possible timelines at once reveals that the joining of Krishna and Jerry Craven will result in a Singularity-based utopia... which is why Daijal immediatly detonates himself and destroys the world because he considers utopia to be so boring that extinction is preferable.
16th Sep '15 1:29:43 PM intastiel
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* Exploited by the Underwoods in the US ''Series/{{House of Cards|US}}'': Frank woos Claire into UnholyMatrimony with the promise that she would never be bored.



* Averted in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' during Roy's time in the LawfulGood heaven. (Being based on [=DnD=], there are a couple of heavens to go round.) Heaven there is a decidedly fun place, one where playing blocks with your little brother can last for days and still be awesome. Furthermore, there's a Debate Hall Where You're Always Right, a Dungeon Full Of Monsters Just Difficult Enough to Challenge You, and a ''Tavern of Infinite One Night Stands'', of all things, though heaven discourages its use by only allowing you to take them to your parents' house.
** Before you bring up the "it'll get boring eventually" argument, remember that since nothing changes and you don't have physical needs to distract you, you can't actually tell how long you've been there. (A fact that Roy learns the hard way.)
*** Besides, when Roy questions why Heaven has such things, it's explained that yes, it ''will'' get boring after several decades or centuries... which frees you from earthly distractions and attachments as you resume climbing the mountain to attain higher levels of enlightenment (and presumably higher levels of satisfaction than anything the flesh can offer).
** Technically, playing blocks with your little brother wouldn't automatically be awesome. Roy was just that happy to see his little brother [[spoiler:who died around the age of four, which is why he was young enough that playing blocks still held much appeal in Heaven]].
** Also, Durkon, being the stereotypical Lawful Good beer-loving tree-fearing dwarf cleric of the Order, has a reputation of being this trope in parts of the fandom.

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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
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Averted in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' during Roy's time in by the LawfulGood heaven. (Being based on [=DnD=], there are a couple of heavens to go round.) Heaven there is a decidedly fun place, one where playing blocks {{heaven}}: people reunite with your little brother can last for days their dead friends and still be awesome. Furthermore, there's a Debate Hall Where You're Always Right, a Dungeon Full Of Monsters Just Difficult Enough to Challenge You, and a ''Tavern enjoy idealized versions of mortal activities (like the Tavern of Infinite One Night Stands'', of all things, though heaven discourages its use by only allowing you to take them to your parents' house.
** Before you bring up the "it'll get boring eventually" argument, remember that since nothing changes and you don't have physical needs to distract you, you can't actually tell how
Stands) for as long you've been there. (A fact that Roy learns the hard way.)
*** Besides, when Roy questions why Heaven has such things, it's explained that yes, it ''will'' get boring after several decades or centuries... which frees you from earthly distractions and attachments
as you resume climbing the mountain they want to, moving on to attain higher levels more spiritually fulfilling pursuits as they let go of enlightenment (and presumably higher levels of satisfaction than anything the flesh can offer).
their old lives.
** Technically, playing blocks with your little brother wouldn't automatically be awesome. Roy was just that happy to see his little brother [[spoiler:who died around the age of four, which is why he was young enough that playing blocks still held much appeal in Heaven]].
** Also,
Durkon, being the stereotypical Lawful Good beer-loving tree-fearing dwarf cleric of the Order, has a reputation of being this trope in parts is seen by some of the fandom.fandom as being a bit [[TheGenericGuy generic]].
** Xykon is an AxCrazy, thrill-seeking, undead PsychopathicManchild who gets tired of anything less than wanton death and destruction: he thinks PragmaticVillainy is just as boring as Good.
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