History Main / GodzillaThreshold

9th Feb '16 5:05:30 AM GoblinCipher
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' also qualifies if you consider that unless the machine was activated [[spoiler:Stanley would never have seen Stanford again]] Which, though unnecessary in the long run , was impossible to accomplish without the risk of tearing the universe apart.
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* Deploying the universe portal in ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' also qualifies if you consider that unless the machine was activated [[spoiler:Stanley would never have seen Stanford again]] again]]. Which, though unnecessary in the long run , run, was impossible to accomplish without the risk of tearing the universe apart. apart. ** [[spoiler: Ford]] tells Dipper to remember where the infinity-sided die is kept in case it's ever needed. Given that the die can cause ''absolutely anything'' to happen with no way to predict or control the outcome, things would have to be bad indeed for that to be a good idea. [[spoiler: And, of course, barely half a season later, things do indeed get that bad.]]
26th Jan '16 1:56:07 PM margdean56
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** Middle-Earth reached the Threshold at the end of the First Age. Morgoth ruled over all of Beleriand and to defeat him the Valar unleashed a war that sunk all of Beleriand. ** When Ar-Pharaz˘n sought to take Immortality from the Valar, the Valar unwilling to actively kill men, who as Children of Il˙vatar fall under their protection, instead ''give up'' their stewardship of the world and let ''God'' handle it, and the ''World'' is changed for it.
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** Middle-Earth reached the Threshold at the end of the First Age. Morgoth ruled over all of Beleriand and to defeat him the Valar unleashed a war that sunk sank all of Beleriand. ** When Ar-Pharaz˘n sought to take Immortality from the Valar, the Valar Valar, unwilling to actively kill men, who as Children of Il˙vatar fall under their protection, instead ''give up'' their stewardship of the world and let ''God'' handle it, and the ''World'' is changed for it.
25th Jan '16 8:31:27 PM Alceister
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** Antibiotics are also subject to a lowering of the Godzilla Threshold, mostly though ignorance. They're designed to fight serious infections like pneumonia and tuberculosis, but some doctors will give them out to a patient if the person complains about a viral infection (cold or flu)... which is completely impervious to antibiotics. Leading to some antibiotics losing their effectiveness, and the rise of "super bugs" which are completely immune to all known antibiotics.
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** Antibiotics are also subject to a lowering of the Godzilla Threshold, mostly though ignorance. They're designed intended to fight serious infections like pneumonia and tuberculosis, but some doctors will give them out to a patient if the person complains about a viral infection (cold or flu)... which is completely impervious to antibiotics. Leading to some antibiotics losing their effectiveness, and the rise of "super bugs" which are completely immune to all known antibiotics. *** This is further exacerbated by the misuse of antibiotics in the agricultural sector, where it is used to boost the growth of otherwise healthy livestock, which is then consumed by humans. Arguably, the Godzilla Threshold is simply being ignored outright.
17th Jan '16 7:35:59 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': Millennia ago, the Knights Radiant betrayed their oaths, severing their bonds with their [[NatureSpirit spren]] and nearly killing whole species of them. The spren withdrew from humanity, and the powers of the Radiants were not seen for thousands of years. The spren only began to return when they sensed [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the True Desolation]] coming, giving powers to humans as a simple act of self-preservation. The few people who understand what is happening are therefore '''very''' worried; how desperate do you have to be to go back to the people who committed genocide against you? A few crazy cultists (and at least one [[SanitySlippage insane Herald]]) have gotten it into their heads that if they can kill the new Knights Radiant before they come into their full powers, it will avert the Desolation. It probably wouldn't have worked, but they're not successful at killing them off anyway.
10th Jan '16 9:36:58 PM phoenix
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* Similarly, in [[TheBeautifulGame association football (soccer)]], a team that's a goal down in the dying minutes of a game may choose to send their goalkeeper up front for a set play, such as a corner kick. The downside to this is that if the other team manages to gain possession of the ball, the goalkeeper probably won't be able to sprint back to his own goal in time to prevent the opposition from scoring easily. Therefore, this tactic is only used in times of urgent desperation. In the indoor version futsal, the alternative is a combination of this and hockey: the goalkeeper is removed, and a line player that can play goal becomes a "line keeper", guarding the net but more focused on attack.
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* Similarly, in [[TheBeautifulGame association football (soccer)]], UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball (soccer), a team that's a goal down in the dying minutes of a game may choose to send their goalkeeper up front for a set play, such as a corner kick. The downside to this is that if the other team manages to gain possession of the ball, the goalkeeper probably won't be able to sprint back to his own goal in time to prevent the opposition from scoring easily. Therefore, this tactic is only used in times of urgent desperation. In the indoor version futsal, the alternative is a combination of this and hockey: the goalkeeper is removed, and a line player that can play goal becomes a "line keeper", guarding the net but more focused on attack.
10th Jan '16 6:38:19 AM zootsutra
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* The Middle Eastern situation: On both sides with both Iran and Iraq. The West, especially the United States, thought that the Middle East falling to Communism was bad enough that they would rather prop up an unpopular leader (the Shah of Iran) who opposes them than risk the Communists falling in. That led to the Iranian people crossing the threshold, preferring the radical Shi'as to Western-propped dictators. Still fearing the Soviets taking Iran, the US propped up the president of neighboring Iraq, one Saddam Hussein, who already had a reputation for brutality... again, figuring that even at his most brutal, Saddam couldn't be any worse than the Communists. This would come to bite the US in the behind when Saddam invaded Kuwait, almost overnight changing from the US's Godzilla threshold to a power they used the Godzilla threshold on. And when 9/11 happened, they crossed the threshold again and invaded Iraq a second time.

* The Middle Eastern situation: On both sides with both Iran and Iraq. The West, especially the United States, thought that the Middle East falling to Communism was bad enough that they would rather prop up an unpopular leader (the Shah of Iran) who opposes them than risk the Communists falling in. That led to the Iranian people crossing the threshold, preferring the radical Shi'as to Western-propped dictators. Still fearing the Soviets taking Iran, the US propped up the president of neighboring Iraq, one Saddam Hussein, who already had a reputation for brutality... again, figuring that even at his most brutal, Saddam couldn't be any worse than the Communists. This would come to bite the US in the behind when Saddam invaded Kuwait, almost overnight changing from the US's Godzilla threshold to a power they used the Godzilla threshold on. And when 9/11 happened, they crossed the threshold again and invaded Iraq a second time.
8th Jan '16 5:20:55 PM macfrogg
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Angel is a U.S. television show, not a U.K. television show.
* ''Series/{{Angel}}'': Series 4. The world is on the verge of an unexpected Apocalypse when the Beast blocks out the sun over LA to create a 24-hour demon playground. The only thing that can stop it is Angel's SuperpoweredEvilSide, Angelus, the greatest mass murderer in recorded history and one of the worst vampires ever heard of. Even Angel agrees it has to be done and Angelus is freed. ''Then'' the only way to then stop Angelus is to break out a convicted murderer [[note]]said convicted murderer actually broke herself out, in a matter of ''seconds'', as she was locked up by her own choice[[/note]], Faith the Vampire Slayer, who has to use her DeathSeeker nature to almost commit suicide because Angelus is ''that'' hard for even a Slayer to defeat.
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* ''Series/{{Angel}}'': Series Season 4. The world is on the verge of an unexpected Apocalypse when the Beast blocks out the sun over LA to create a 24-hour demon playground. The only thing that can stop it is Angel's SuperpoweredEvilSide, Angelus, the greatest mass murderer in recorded history and one of the worst vampires ever heard of. Even Angel agrees it has to be done and Angelus is freed. ''Then'' the only way to then stop Angelus is to break out a convicted murderer [[note]]said convicted murderer actually broke herself out, in a matter of ''seconds'', as she was locked up by her own choice[[/note]], Faith the Vampire Slayer, who has to use her DeathSeeker nature to almost commit suicide because Angelus is ''that'' hard for even a Slayer to defeat.
6th Jan '16 5:35:47 PM TedlyAnderson
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Editing to remove snark. If you know something about the topic, perhaps you could actually add it to the page, rather than merely act smarter than the original author.
* In UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}}, the principle of ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh pikuach nefesh]]'' states that almost any religious consideration or law may be broken in order to save a specific human life from an immediate danger. For example, although it is forbidden to do work on the shabbat, including driving a car, you ''can'' use a car to drive someone to the hospital if they need immediate treatment. Similarly, if a pregnant woman has a craving for a non-kosher food, she is allowed to eat it, as it is assumed that ''not'' eating it will have negative consequences for the fetus. The only laws that ''cannot'' be broken, even to save a life, are the prohibition against blasphemy or defamation of God, and murderŚand even killing is permitted in cases of self-defense (or the defense of others). ** There are three, and blasphemy isn't one of them.
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* In UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}}, the principle of ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh pikuach nefesh]]'' states that almost any religious consideration or law may be broken in order to save a specific human life from an immediate danger. For example, although it is forbidden to do work on the shabbat, including driving a car, you ''can'' use a car to drive someone to the hospital if they need immediate treatment. Similarly, if a pregnant woman has a craving for a non-kosher food, she is allowed to eat it, as it is assumed that ''not'' eating it will have negative consequences for the fetus. The There are only a very small number of laws that ''cannot'' be broken, even to save a life, are the prohibition against blasphemy or defamation of God, and murderŚand even including killing another human being, and even that is permitted in cases of self-defense (or the defense of others). ** There are three, and blasphemy isn't one of them.others).
4th Jan '16 4:59:22 PM DarkSoldier
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** In ''Halo 3'', [[spoiler: when a flood infected ship crashes in New Mombasa]], Commander Keys proposes to overload a slipstream engine inside the city and wiping out everything in the area. Though usually rather timid in his decisions, Lord Hood only replies with ''"Do it!".'' ** The Flood evoke this reaction in more than just humans: again in ''Halo 3'', when there's a relatively small Flood outbreak in Africa, the Elites who show up in a BigDamnHeroes moment torch the continent to get rid of it. When Lord Hood protests this action, the Elite Shipmaster responds that he fully intended to burn all of Earth just to make sure that ''every last Flood spore was absolutely dead'', and only the Arbiter's arguing against it stopped him from doing so. ** The Halos themselves were built (and activated) due to the Threshold being crossed: wiping out almost all intelligent life in the galaxy was an acceptable alternative compared to the Flood, as far as the Forerunners were concerned.
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** In ''Halo 3'', The Flood evoke this reaction in every species that has encountered it. *** When [[spoiler: when a flood infected Flood-infested ship crashes in New Mombasa]], Mombasa]] during ''Halo 3'', Commander Keys Keyes proposes to overload a slipstream engine inside the city and wiping out everything in the area. Though usually rather timid in his decisions, Lord Hood only replies with ''"Do it!".'' ** The Flood evoke this reaction in more than just humans: again in ''Halo 3'', it!"'' *** Later, when there's a relatively small Flood outbreak in Africa, the Elites [[spoiler:the Elites, who show had shown up in a BigDamnHeroes moment moment, torch the continent most of Africa to get rid of it. When the infestation]], Lord Hood protests this action, the action. The Elite Shipmaster responds that he fully intended to burn all of Earth just to make sure that ''every last Flood spore was absolutely dead'', and only the Arbiter's arguing against it stopped him from doing so. ** *** The Halos Forerunners built the Halo Array in the first place to keep themselves were built (and activated) due to in power as the Threshold being crossed: wiping out almost all intelligent life supreme species in the galaxy. When the Flood came to the galaxy was an acceptable alternative compared to the Flood, as far as and overran every defense they could muster, the Forerunners were concerned.activated the Array, frying the nervous system of every creature in the galaxy capable of hosting Flood spores. In a way, they did defeat a threat to their power.
2nd Jan '16 8:06:47 PM somercet
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I was not aware Tropers could read Japanese minds, that suspension is *not* a power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, and as for sketchy allies, it does not get sketchier than the CCCP in WWII.
** The scenario that ''did'' lead to nuclear war. That invading the islands of Japan would be incredibly difficult and bloody for the US (experience at Iwo Jima and Okinawa as well as the increase in [[TakingYouWithMe Kamikaze]] attacks demonstrated that Japanese were culturally geared to be DefiantToTheEnd) was their primary argument for [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki detonating two atomic weapons over Japanese cities in August 1945]]. Emphasis on "argument" -- [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment in their country the debate continues about whether it was the right thing]]. And even then the bombs didn't in themselves trigger the surrender but the threat of a Soviet ZergRush followed thereafter by a DayOfTheJackboot. Faced with ''that'' prospect, surrendering to the Americans at least offered the prospect of maintaining their cultural identity.
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** The scenario that ''did'' lead to nuclear war. That invading the islands of Japan would be incredibly difficult and bloody for the US (experience at Iwo Jima and Okinawa as well as the increase in [[TakingYouWithMe Kamikaze]] attacks demonstrated that Japanese were culturally geared to be DefiantToTheEnd) was their primary argument for [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki detonating two atomic weapons over Japanese cities in August 1945]]. Emphasis on "argument" -- [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment in their country the debate continues about whether it was the right thing]]. And even then the bombs didn't in themselves trigger the surrender but the threat of a Soviet ZergRush followed thereafter by a DayOfTheJackboot. Faced with ''that'' prospect, surrendering to the Americans at least offered the prospect of maintaining their cultural identity.

* TheWarOnTerror: In the fight against terrorism, the US and its allies have shacked up with some pretty sketchy organizations and regimes, justifying it by how said organizations, for all their corruption, seem more interested in local power than flying airplanes into buildings. ** Which created its own, lesser threshold: if a plane is heading for a civilized area, won't respond to attempts to contact it, and all other attempts to stop it fails, the United States Air Force will shoot down its own country's civilian aircraft. We've already seen what happens when we fail to get there in time. (Though the first thing done is the fighter jets are ordered to close within visual range to '''inspect''' the plane, for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash certain reasons]].)
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* TheWarOnTerror: In the fight against terrorism, the US and its allies have shacked up with some pretty sketchy organizations and regimes, justifying it by how said organizations, for all their corruption, seem more interested in local power than flying airplanes into buildings. ** Which created its own, lesser threshold: if If a plane is heading for a civilized area, won't respond to attempts to contact it, and all other attempts to stop it fails, the United States Air Force will shoot down its own country's civilian aircraft. We've already seen what happens when we fail to get there in time. (Though the first thing done is the fighter jets are ordered to close within visual range to '''inspect''' the plane, for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash certain reasons]].)

** This happened in the United States during the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. Lincoln suspended [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus habeas corpus]] provisions in Union territory, and placed the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland under martial law. Fortunately once the war was over these steps were reversed, but the decision remains controversial to this day. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all there is to say about that.]]
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