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25th Sep '17 6:35:12 AM muninwing
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** The entire movie is clear about being built around this trope, almost from the beginning. As an exploration of how horror/slasher tropes make sense, the BIGGER threat is the Cthulhoid apocalypse that the trope invocations are attempting to avert. Even if that means utilizing the placeholder-villains of the genre to do so.
21st Sep '17 12:54:48 PM Shadoboy
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** Planet busters in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' are even more dangerous, as they completely obliterate anything in the blast radius and leave huge craters behind. The power of a planet buster depends on the type of reactor used in its constructions. Singularity planet busters (i.e. using the energy of a ''black hole'') leave a ''giant'' crater behind and can become a new sea. Unlike ''Civ'''s nukes, they don't leave fallout, though. Still, it's entirely possible to completely wipe out several cities that are located close together with a single planet buster. However, using them is considered such an atrocity that all other factions automatically declare vendetta (war) on you.

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** Planet busters in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' are even more dangerous, as they completely obliterate anything in the blast radius and leave huge craters behind. The power of a planet buster depends on the type of reactor used in its constructions. Singularity planet busters (i.e. using the energy of a ''black hole'') leave a ''giant'' crater behind and can become a new sea. Unlike ''Civ'''s nukes, they don't leave fallout, though. Still, it's entirely possible to completely wipe out several cities that are located close together with a single planet buster. However, using them is considered such an atrocity that all other factions automatically declare vendetta (war) on you. Ah, and you also will piss off [[GeniusLoci Planet itself]], so be ready to face groups of angry [[DemonicSpiders Mindworms]].
18th Sep '17 4:15:03 PM Meshakhad
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* In ''Literature/TheTwilightsLastGleaming'', the prospect of a new Ice Age leads the rulers of Western Europe to [[spoiler:launch a completely unprovoked invasion of South America so they can resettle their populations somewhere that ''won't'' turn into a frozen wasteland in the next few decades.]]
12th Sep '17 11:09:55 AM dmcreif
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* In ''Series/TheDefenders2017'', the Hand plans on sinking New York City into the ground, so the titular heroes resolve that to stop them they must [[spoiler:explode their headquarters while all their leaders are inside]]. Except for Luke Cage, everyone else is instantly onboard with the idea, including Daredevil (who at this point, staunchly stood by his [[ThouShallNotKill no-kill rule]], Claire (who derided murder being the only answer to anything) and Colleen (who refused to kill her arch-enemy because she wouldn't be much better than him if she did so), and it takes ''a lot'' of from each single one of them to convince Luke to agree with their plan.

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* In ''Series/TheDefenders2017'', the Hand plans on sinking New York City into the ground, so the titular heroes resolve that to stop them they must [[spoiler:explode their headquarters while all their leaders are inside]]. Except for Luke Cage, everyone else is instantly onboard with the idea, including Daredevil Matt Murdock (who at this point, has spent two seasons of ''Series/Daredevil2015'' staunchly stood standing by his [[ThouShallNotKill no-kill rule]], rule]] in the face of killer vigilantes like Frank Castle and Elektra Natchios), Claire Temple (who derided derides murder being the only answer to anything) and Colleen Wing (who refused refuses to kill her arch-enemy Bakuto because she wouldn't won't be much better than him if she did does so), and it takes ''a lot'' of from each single one of them to convince Luke to agree with their plan.
10th Sep '17 6:00:21 AM EDP
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Then the [[UsefulNotes/PunicWars Second Punic War]]: with [[CurbStompBattle their army was almost completely destroyed at Cannae]], many of their remaining allies defecting to Hannibal and the previously neutral Kingdom of Macedon declaring war, the Romans went so far as to perform human sacrifices and raise legions among the landless and the slaves. To put it into perspective, Romans despised the very idea of human sacrifices, while the landless people and slaves they were arming and training had good reasons to rebel. Amazingly, it worked: when the new legions proved fiercely loyal and realization set that the most powerful and richest allies were staying with Rome, [[OhCrap Hannibal realized his chances of victory were extremely slim]], and the Macedons [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere deciding the price of the war wasn't worth it]] sealed the deal.

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Then the [[UsefulNotes/PunicWars Second Punic War]]: with [[CurbStompBattle their army was almost completely destroyed at Cannae]], many of their remaining allies defecting to Hannibal and the previously neutral Kingdom of Macedon declaring war, the Romans went so far as to perform human sacrifices and raise legions among the landless and the slaves. To put it into perspective, Romans despised the very idea of human sacrifices, while the landless people and slaves they were arming and training had good reasons to rebel. Amazingly, it worked: when the new legions proved fiercely loyal and realization set that the most powerful and richest allies were staying with Rome, [[OhCrap Hannibal realized his chances of victory were extremely slim]], and the Macedons [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere deciding the price of the war wasn't worth it]] sealed the deal.\\
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Even worse than both was the situation at the start of Pompey's pirate war, with the pirates of the Mediterranean having outright control of numerous fortified cities and entire countries, posing a dire threat to Rome's wheat supply from Egypt, and having raided Ostia, ''Rome's harbor''. After the latter, most of the Senate (including almost all of Pompey's worst political enemies) voted a law that gave UsefulNotes/PompeyTheGreat greater powers than a dictator: they assigned him the equivalent of thirty legions (effectively the entirety of Rome's army), control of a fleet of either 270 or 500 ships with full crews, an initial budget of 144 million sesterces and full authority to draw from the public treasure if it wasn't enough, authority to choose 25 Senators and make them legates that answered only to him, and full authority to do anything he deemed necessary on the sea and on the land to up to 50 miles from the coast (and most of Rome's territory, including Rome itself, was at less than 50 miles from the coast), and a term of three years to solve the pirate situation. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Pompey solved the situation in three months, celebrated his triumph, and then resigned]].
4th Sep '17 2:17:54 AM IlGreven
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** The real threshold is with the Arquillians, who think a Bug in control of a Galaxy is enough of a threat to destroy the planet both are on, even if most of the inhabitants of said planet have no clue they're about to die.
4th Sep '17 1:30:40 AM TroperBeDoper
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** Colossi are both this and OldShame: They were war machines created by the Protoss but used in planet-wide massacres. The Protoss were so ashamed they locked up the Colossi in asteroids, only bringing them back online to fight in SC2.

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** Colossi are both this and OldShame: They were war machines created by the Protoss but used in planet-wide massacres. The Protoss were so ashamed they locked up the Colossi in asteroids, only bringing them back online to fight in SC2.[=SC2=].
3rd Sep '17 3:26:36 AM Silverblade2
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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' has several scenes musing about how much power is appropriate to stop a threat, citing things like Ancient Rome's ability to grant emergency powers to one man. Over the course of the film, it becomes clear that Batman himself has become the threshold for Gotham's criminal underworld. Their response is SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.

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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' has several scenes musing about how much power is appropriate to stop a threat, citing things like Ancient Rome's ability to grant emergency powers to one man. Over the course of the film, it becomes clear that Batman himself has become the threshold for Gotham's criminal underworld. Their response is SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.ComicBook/TheJoker.
1st Sep '17 7:30:53 PM Jhonny
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* In Handball the goalie can be pulled just like he can be in Ice Hockey. However, due to a 2010s change of the rules, he can also be replaced in a "flying exchange", making teams much more likely to pull the goalie outside of "down a lot, seconds left on the clock" type situations. It even happens that ''both'' teams pull the goalie.
1st Sep '17 7:10:31 PM Jhonny
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* In a strange subversion of this trope, Nazi Germany didn't itself pass the Godzilla Threshold until late in the war, well beyond the point where it would do any good. The perceived weakness of their enemies combined with the string of early victories convinced the Germans that the war could be won with only a partial economic mobilization. Such investments as long range heavy bombers and a nuclear weapons program were never seriously considered because a "short" war would have no need of such things. The Nazi's also never broke with tradition and tapped their female population to work in the factories as it was deemed more important for them to raise the next generation of Nazi super-children. Despite all the heavy bombing, Nazi war production only reached its peak in 1944(!) after all the slack industrial capacity was finally turned over to the war effort.

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* In a strange subversion of this trope, Nazi Germany didn't itself pass the Godzilla Threshold until late in the war, well beyond the point where it would do any good. The perceived weakness of their enemies combined with the string of early victories convinced the Germans that the war could be won with only a partial economic mobilization. Such investments as long range heavy bombers and a nuclear weapons program were never seriously considered because a "short" war would have no need of such things. The Nazi's Nazis also never broke with tradition and tapped their female population to work in the factories as it was deemed more important for them to raise the next generation of Nazi super-children. Despite all the heavy bombing, Nazi war production only reached its peak in 1944(!) after all the slack industrial capacity was finally turned over to the war effort.effort and after the FascistButInefficient prior organization of the economy got replaced by the - equally ruthless but at least somewhat competent - Albert Speer.
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