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13th Nov '16 10:07:40 AM Idek618
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* The ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' {{expansion|Pack}} ''Mask of the Betrayer'' is also set in the ''Forgotten Realms''. It shows just how far gods dependent on worship will go. They built the Wall of the Faithless, which punishes not sinners but non-believers. Being a atheist or a paying lip service to religion is the biggest of all sins against all the gods, and thus the good, evil, lawful, and chaotic gods all agreed that atheists shall be punished by ultimate torture and eventually the very destruction of their souls by having your soul slowly digested over thousands of years.

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* The ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' {{expansion|Pack}} ''Mask of the Betrayer'' is also set in the ''Forgotten Realms''. It shows just how far gods dependent on worship will go. They built the Wall of the Faithless, which punishes not sinners but non-believers. Being a an atheist or a paying lip service to religion is the biggest of all sins against all the gods, and thus the good, evil, lawful, and chaotic gods all agreed that atheists shall be punished by ultimate torture and eventually the very destruction of their souls by having your soul slowly digested over thousands of years.
9th Nov '16 4:29:19 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** For as long as a single person believes in YHVH as his or her god, He will return, again and again. Unfortunately, it seems the [=MegaTen=] universe works on the same principle as ''[[Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' - Humanity's own inner darkness and desire for a God [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters that accurately represents them]] has horrifically twisted Him into a bitter, unsympathetic tyrant with nothing but contempt for humans.

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** For as long as a single person believes in YHVH as his or her god, He will return, again and again. Unfortunately, it seems the [=MegaTen=] universe works on the same principle as ''[[Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' - Humanity's own inner darkness and desire for a God [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters that accurately represents them]] has horrifically twisted Him into a bitter, unsympathetic tyrant with nothing but contempt for humans.
9th Nov '16 4:28:51 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** For as long as a single person believes in YHVH as his or her god, He will return, again and again. Unfortunately, it seems the Mega Ten universe works on the same principle as the ''Malazan'' example above-Humanity's own inner darkness and desire for a God [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters that accurately represents them]] has horrifically twisted Him into a bitter, unsympathetic tyrant with nothing but contempt for humans.
** This trope is also true for the Persona universe, where [[VideoGame/{{Persona 2}} Philemon, Nyarlathotep]], [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Erebus]], and [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Izanami]] are all personifications of various aspects of human mind within the Collective Unconscious.

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** For as long as a single person believes in YHVH as his or her god, He will return, again and again. Unfortunately, it seems the Mega Ten [=MegaTen=] universe works on the same principle as the ''Malazan'' example above-Humanity's ''[[Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' - Humanity's own inner darkness and desire for a God [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters that accurately represents them]] has horrifically twisted Him into a bitter, unsympathetic tyrant with nothing but contempt for humans.
** This trope is also true for the Persona ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'' universe, where [[VideoGame/{{Persona 2}} Philemon, Nyarlathotep]], [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Erebus]], and [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Izanami]] Izanami]], and [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Yaldabaoth]]]] are all personifications of various aspects of human mind within the Collective Unconscious.
7th Nov '16 5:42:24 PM skadooshbag
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** Ēostre is shown to be one of the most powerful old gods thanks to Easter. Even though most people, even self-proclaimed "pagans", don't know about her connection to the holiday.

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** Ēostre is shown to be one of the most powerful old gods thanks to Easter. Even though most people, even self-proclaimed "pagans", don't know about her connection to the holiday.[[note]]wut[[/note]]
30th Oct '16 3:16:49 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/MercedesLackey can't make up her mind on this one. Most deities in the world of [[HeraldsOfValdemar Valdemar]] are actually just aspects of the God and the Goddess (and the One is implied to be both at once), whose power descends down to the clerics instead of the other way around, but in one vignette it's explicitly mentioned that a demon can [[AGodAmI ascend to divinity]] by running a sex cult and feeding off all the worship (and a few worshippers too). This inconsistency came about because the short stories that demon appeared in weren't originally part of the Valdemar [[TheVerse 'Verse]], but rather were {{retcon}}ned in later.

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* Creator/MercedesLackey can't make up her mind on this one. Most deities in the world of [[HeraldsOfValdemar [[Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar Valdemar]] are actually just aspects of the God and the Goddess (and the One is implied to be both at once), whose power descends down to the clerics instead of the other way around, but in one vignette it's explicitly mentioned that a demon can [[AGodAmI ascend to divinity]] by running a sex cult and feeding off all the worship (and a few worshippers too). This inconsistency came about because the short stories that demon appeared in weren't originally part of the Valdemar [[TheVerse 'Verse]], but rather were {{retcon}}ned in later.
29th Oct '16 11:27:10 AM nombretomado
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** At least thrice in the [[VideoGame/HyperdimensionNeptuniaVictory third game]], but for separate reasons. The first time it happens, Eden, a new nation born from the Seven Sages ([[QuirkyMinibossSquad or what's left of them]]), ends up sapping the shares as the new console on the market, the TurboGrafx16. The new console (Yellow Heart) holds well, but [[spoiler:its price threshold and the eventual reveal about who she really is]] marks the end of its short life. The second time, [[spoiler:although it takes place in the past but is explained near the end, the previous nation's CPU, Rei Ryghts, was the leader of [[{{Atari}} Tari]]. She controlled the populace through fear and greed, but she didn't know her power was fueled by the people, so when ''[[TheGreatVideoGameCrashOf1983 that]]'' happened, the people revolted and she became extremely weak. In retaliation, she decided to destroy the entire nation outright.]] The third is when [[spoiler:Future Rei manipulates the populace to only believe in her and weaken every other nation, effectively destroying the balance of the dimension's shares and threatening to destory an ''entire dimension'' with her newfound power.]]

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** At least thrice in the [[VideoGame/HyperdimensionNeptuniaVictory third game]], but for separate reasons. The first time it happens, Eden, a new nation born from the Seven Sages ([[QuirkyMinibossSquad or what's left of them]]), ends up sapping the shares as the new console on the market, the TurboGrafx16. The new console (Yellow Heart) holds well, but [[spoiler:its price threshold and the eventual reveal about who she really is]] marks the end of its short life. The second time, [[spoiler:although it takes place in the past but is explained near the end, the previous nation's CPU, Rei Ryghts, was the leader of [[{{Atari}} Tari]]. She controlled the populace through fear and greed, but she didn't know her power was fueled by the people, so when ''[[TheGreatVideoGameCrashOf1983 ''[[UsefulNotes/TheGreatVideoGameCrashOf1983 that]]'' happened, the people revolted and she became extremely weak. In retaliation, she decided to destroy the entire nation outright.]] The third is when [[spoiler:Future Rei manipulates the populace to only believe in her and weaken every other nation, effectively destroying the balance of the dimension's shares and threatening to destory an ''entire dimension'' with her newfound power.]]
19th Oct '16 4:48:42 AM isoycrazy
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** The Oblivion War acknowledges this trope and uses it against some very old and very evil gods. These ancient and evil forces don't need prayer to reenter the human world, just simple knowledge of them will suffice. So those who fight on humanity's side seek to make sure the total sum of any who remember a god is zero. If word of a god's followers is discovered, orders to take them out are sent to a small group of people, to minimize the numbers of people who might learn that god's name. The current number of fighters is close to 200 for the entire world. Now, some beings, like spirits of intellect, can have knowledge of the name but that won't sustain the god. They need mortals to know their name. Once a god's rememberers are all eliminated and all is quiet for a few hundred years, [[spoiler:the Archive, the repository of all human knowledge, written or typed, deletes the name of the god from her own memory]] and the god is now sealed away to Oblivion. As those on humanity's side forget and never record how many they killed, it has lead to an interesting point they don't know how well they have done. Simply recording the kill could be enough of a tether for the god to work its way back.
18th Oct '16 8:48:24 PM isoycrazy
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** Even the type of worship a god receives can change. Butcher notes in their heyday, the old gods would need to listen to prayers, make social calls, and do more active things. If, as the modern world doesn't worship like that, a god could still get a cult of followers believing in the principals the god holds to and using the newest name the god has picked up, that would suffice. So a god could use a comic book character or persona to gain followers, take that belief to sustain himself, but not have all the old obligations he once had.[[note]]Heracles is mentioned to be using the Incredible Hulk in such a method[[/note]]
11th Oct '16 1:12:10 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** This trope is also true for the Persona universe, where [[VideoGame/{{Persona 2}} Philemon, Nyarlathotep]], [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Erebus]], and [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Izanami]], are all personifications of various aspects of human mind within the Collective Unconscious.

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** This trope is also true for the Persona universe, where [[VideoGame/{{Persona 2}} Philemon, Nyarlathotep]], [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Erebus]], and [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Izanami]], Izanami]] are all personifications of various aspects of human mind within the Collective Unconscious.
27th Sep '16 8:42:22 PM LordInsane
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** Some EU and even in game dialogue hints/explicitly states that after the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' the leader of the indigenous Tribunal religion, Vivec, disappears without a trace. And the large floating rock used as a religious prison and held aloft by "the love of the people for [Vivec]" smashes into Vvardenfel, causing massive destruction across the entire island. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Did you forget that you're the one who revealed his religion as a sham?]]

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** Some EU and even in game dialogue hints/explicitly states that after the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' the de facto leader of the indigenous Tribunal religion, Vivec, disappears without a trace. And the large floating rock used as a religious prison and held aloft by "the love of the people for [Vivec]" smashes into Vvardenfel, causing massive destruction across the entire island. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Did you forget that you're the one who revealed his religion as a sham?]]sham?]] In a sense more directly related to this trope, Vivec explicitly states in ''Morrowind'', after the connection between the Tribunal and what gave them their divinity is broken, that they've been able to keep on to some fragment of their divinity thanks to the worship they are receiving from their people.
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