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16th Aug '17 8:46:44 AM BeerBaron
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** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', this is the case for the Tribunal (a trio of Dunmeri {{Physical God}}s) after [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter the Nerevarine]] severs their ties to their divine power source (the Heart of Lorkhan)]]. Unlike [[BigBad Dagoth Ur]], who is [[NoImmortalInertia destroyed]] by this process, the Tribunal are able to persist with a trace of their divinity in tact thanks to, as Vivec states, the faith of their followers. Vivec actually has this going on in a second instance as well: In ages past, Sheogorath, the [[MadGod Daedric Prince of Madness]], hurled the "rogue moon" Baar Dau at Vivec's new {{Egopolis}}. Vivec used his power to freeze it in place above the city, and told his followers that it was held in place by their love for him. [[spoiler: Due in [[BittersweetEnding no small part to the player's actions]], Vivec disappears early in the 4th Era. After some temporary measures fail, the moon [[ColonyDrop continues its descent with its original momentum]], destroying the city and causing Red Mountain to erupt, destroying most of Vvardenfell and choking much of mainland Morrowind with volanic ash for centuries to come]].

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** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', this Morrowind]]'':
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is the case for the Tribunal (a trio of Dunmeri {{Physical God}}s) after [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter the Nerevarine]] severs their ties to their divine power source (the Heart of Lorkhan)]]. Unlike [[BigBad Dagoth Ur]], who is [[NoImmortalInertia destroyed]] by this process, the Tribunal are able to persist with a trace of their divinity in tact thanks to, as Vivec states, the faith of their followers. Vivec actually has this going on in a second instance as well: In ages past, Sheogorath, the [[MadGod Daedric Prince of Madness]], hurled the "rogue moon" Baar Dau at Vivec's new {{Egopolis}}. Vivec used his power to freeze it in place above the city, and told his followers that it was held in place by their love for him. [[spoiler: Due in [[BittersweetEnding no small part to the player's actions]], Vivec disappears early in the 4th Era. After some temporary measures fail, the moon [[ColonyDrop continues its descent with its original momentum]], destroying the city and causing Red Mountain to erupt, destroying most of Vvardenfell and choking much of mainland Morrowind with volanic ash for centuries to come]].come]].
*** Boethiah's Daedric quest is for this exact reason. His shrine has been destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, meaning he isn't getting as much worship as he used to. He tasks the player with rebuilding it so that he can once again receive worship.
7th Aug '17 11:43:04 AM intastiel
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* ''VideoGame/BlackAndWhite'''s gameplay is essentially built on this trope, with your amount of followers determining your power, and much of gameplay being based around converting or looking after villages and villagers. Gods with no followers vanish in a PuffOfLogic, which is how you win scenarios.

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* ''VideoGame/BlackAndWhite'''s gameplay is essentially built on this trope, with your amount of trope. Each god is called into existence by a single pure prayer and gains power by convincing villages to believe in it above all other gods; a god who loses all its followers determining your power, and much of gameplay being based around converting or looking after villages and villagers. Gods with no followers vanish vanishes in a PuffOfLogic, PuffOfLogic. Additionally, villagers who actively worship at temples and altars generate {{Mana}} for their god, which is how you win scenarios.enables it to cast Miracles.


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* In ''VideoGame/{{Runescape}}'', most gods require worshipers to maintain their power, but the top two DivineRanks are able to draw energy directly from the Anima Mundi without mortal intermediaries.
3rd Aug '17 12:56:24 PM BeerBaron
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** Throughout the series and in the {{backstory}}, it is repeatedly implied that a deity becomes more powerful as they gain mortal worshipers. The Divines (or Aedra, very loosely "angelic" deities), are technically dead, having sacrificed much of their power during the creation of Mundus, the mortal plane. Now, they "dream they are alive" through mortal prayer and worship. Their antithesis, the Daedra (very loosely "demonic" deities), have CompleteImmortality as they did not sacrifice any of their power to create the world, and can exist independent from prayer and worship. (Though they do seem to enjoy receiving it and may still ''gain'' power from it.) Other lesser deities can be outright killed by lack of worship. The reason it's easier for greater deities (Aedra and Daedra) is because they personify widely-known abstracts, so even if all their followers in one culture are purged, they have another culture to pick up the slack.

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** Throughout the series and in the {{backstory}}, it is repeatedly implied that a deity becomes more powerful as they gain mortal worshipers. The Divines (or Aedra, very loosely "angelic" deities), According to one theory, the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedric Divines]] are technically dead, having sacrificed much of their power during the creation of Mundus, the mortal plane. Now, they "dream they are alive" through mortal prayer and worship. Their antithesis, The deities who did not participate in the Daedra (very loosely "demonic" deities), creation of Mundus, the Daedra, have CompleteImmortality as they did not sacrifice any of their power to create the world, and can exist independent from prayer and worship. (Though they do seem to enjoy receiving it and may still ''gain'' power from it.) Other lesser deities can be outright killed by lack of worship. The reason it's easier for greater deities (Aedra and Daedra) is because they personify widely-known abstracts, so even if all their followers in one culture are purged, they have another culture to pick up the slack.



** According to WordOfGod, this is a [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride motivation]] of the Thalmor in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''. The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Aldmeri]] [[AntiHumanAlliance Dominion]], led by the religious extremist Thalmor, a faction of elven supremacists, have forced the Empire to ban the worship of Talos, leading to the Stormcloak rebellion. The stated reason for this is that the Thalmor refuse to accept that a human could achieve godhood, but the deeper reason is because they play up Altmeri religious beliefs which state that the creation of the mortal world was a cruel trick which robbed their ancestors of pre-creation divinity. [[spoiler:They believe that Talos is one of the last things keeping the mortal world extant, and if he is destroyed, the mortal world would be destroyed as well, allowing them to [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence return to a divine state]].]] There is also evidence that [[VillainHasAPoint they aren't completely wrong about this]]. Furthermore, it's possible that Talos isn't quite a god in the same way as the other Divines are, and he may have even surpassed them (and the Daedra as well). It's quite possible that he no longer even ''needs'' prayer.

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** According to WordOfGod, this is a [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride motivation]] of the Thalmor in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''. The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Aldmeri]] The [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]], led by the religious extremist Thalmor, [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]], a faction of elven supremacists, have forced the Empire to ban the worship of Talos, [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Talos]], leading to the Stormcloak rebellion. The stated "official" reason for this ban is that the Thalmor believe that they descend from the Aedra and refuse to accept that a human could achieve godhood, but the deeper join their ranks. The unofficial reason is because they play up Altmeri religious beliefs which state that [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence the creation of the mortal world was a cruel trick which robbed their ancestors of pre-creation divinity.divinity]]. [[spoiler:They believe that Talos is one of the last things keeping the mortal world extant, and if he is destroyed, the mortal world would be destroyed as well, allowing them to [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence return to a divine state]].]] There is also evidence that [[VillainHasAPoint they aren't completely wrong about this]]. Furthermore, it's possible that Talos isn't quite a god in the same way as the other Divines are, and he may have even surpassed them (and the Daedra as well). It's quite possible that he no longer even ''needs'' prayer.
31st Jul '17 11:04:52 AM Necrodomo
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* The [[PowersThatBe Elder Powers]] in ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' games need mortals to keep fighting for them in the titular war in order to have a chance at reshaping the cosmos and keeping the ideas that they represent relevant. The current pantheon is made up of the gods that win often enough that their divinity isn't immediately in peril (and there's no sign of a clear winner in sight), but all of them have no choice but to keep manipulating the war for eternity.
28th Jul '17 1:51:17 AM kome360
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* ''Webcomic/{{Twokinds}}'': The gods are waging proxy wars to determine which of their creations will become the apex species. Since the humans worship one god (name unknown so far) and the keidran worship Neutral, it's implied that the extinction of a species means the respective god will die or be weakened from a lack of followers. Furthermore, it's implied that the god of the Basitins made his creations extremely obedient so they would always follow the rules, [[GoneHorriblyRight but they were so obedient that they worshiped the law instead of their god and starved them to death]].
16th Jul '17 11:50:52 AM Piterpicher
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* ''{{Populous}}'' is the TropeCodifier. The more worshippers you have, the more powerful miracles you can perform.

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* ''{{Populous}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Populous}}'' is the TropeCodifier. The more worshippers you have, the more powerful miracles you can perform.
2nd Jul '17 10:52:28 AM snowydaybro
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* ''Series/AmericanGods'' The fortunes of gods depend on how many people they have praying (or sacrificing) to them, often. A god can even die if they are completely forgotten. Of course, what counts as prayer largely depends on the god - Anansi just wants people to keep telling stories about him being clever, and Media gets power any time someone consumes media, to name a few examples. The single constant is that sacrifice, particularly HumanSacrifice, usually nets a god a lot of power.
29th Jun '17 2:40:46 PM MasterGhandalf
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* This becomes a significant plot-point in the last two ''Literature/BrimstoneAngels'' novels. The god Enlil is all but dead, and needs mortal worshippers to power himself back up to the point of being able to have much effect on the world. Unfortunately for him, the only mortals he's been able to make contact with are [[DraconicHumanoid dragonborn]], who are a proud race of {{Nay Theist}}s who neither need nor want a god to worship. The eventual agreement that's reached is more like a business contract than a religion, with the dragonborn agreeing to pray to Enlil so long as he uses his restored powers to protect their city, and even give him an affectionate but silly nickname (Uncle Lightning-Bolt) as a reminder that he's their ''ally'', not their master.
26th Jun '17 12:25:27 AM M84
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** The gods of Amonkhet are also powered by faith. [[spoiler:When Nicol Bolas invaded the plane, he crippled them by immediately wiping out the entire adult mortal population, leaving behind only the faith of scared panicking children. Nicol Bolas promptly killed three of the gods and brainwashed the others into his unwitting shepherds.]]
20th Jun '17 4:03:51 PM Discar
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** Ēostre is shown to be one of the most powerful old gods thanks to Easter. Even though most people, even self-proclaimed "pagans", don't know about her connection to the holiday.[[note]]wut[[/note]]

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** Ēostre is shown to be one of the most powerful old gods thanks to Easter. Even though most people, even self-proclaimed "pagans", don't know about her connection to the holiday.[[note]]wut[[/note]]
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