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17th Jul '16 7:00:53 PM PaulA
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* In the original ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'', Zeus closes the film with this speech:
-->'''Zeus:''' Perseus and Andromeda will be happy together. Have fine sons... rule wisely... And to perpetuate the story of his courage, I command that from henceforth, he will be set among the stars and constellations. He, Perseus, the lovely Andromeda, the noble Pegasus, and even the vain Cassiopeia. Let the stars be named after then forever. As long as man shall walk the Earth and search the night sky in wonder, they will remember the courage of Perseus forever. Even if we, the gods, are abandoned or forgotten, the stars will never fade. Never. They will burn till the end of the time.
* Played with in the remake of ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans''. Zeus and most of the Olympians sustain their immortality through the prayers of humans. This provides a problem when humans not only stop worshiping Olympus, but actively try and starve the gods of badly-needed prayers through blasphemy. As one would expect, [[DoNotTauntCthulhu it doesn't go well...]] especially since Hades doesn't need people to ''pray'' to him. Hades draws power from people's fear of death.
** In the sequel ''Wrath of the Titans'', prayers have dwindled so much that the gods have all lost their immortality and many have died before the movie even started. They still have most of their powers, but they are fading. Thus, the [[SealedEvilInACan Titans]] are breaking free. On a FridgeLogic note, why are the Titans still around? The gods fuel their immortality with worship, what do the Titans use? And before there were humans to empower them, the gods took down the Titans, didn't they?

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* In the original ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'', Zeus closes the film with this speech:
-->'''Zeus:''' Perseus and Andromeda will be happy together. Have fine sons... rule wisely... And to perpetuate the story of his courage, I command that from henceforth, he will be set among the stars and constellations. He, Perseus, the lovely Andromeda, the noble Pegasus, and even the vain Cassiopeia. Let the stars be named after then forever. As long as man shall walk the Earth and search the night sky in wonder, they will remember the courage of Perseus forever. Even if we, the gods, are abandoned or forgotten, the stars will never fade. Never. They will burn till the end
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* Played with in the remake of ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans''.
Titans|2010}}'', Zeus and most of the Olympians sustain their immortality through the prayers of humans. This provides a problem when humans not only stop worshiping Olympus, but actively try and starve the gods of badly-needed prayers through blasphemy. As one would expect, [[DoNotTauntCthulhu it doesn't go well...]] especially since Hades doesn't need people to ''pray'' to him. Hades draws power from people's fear of death.
** In the sequel ''Wrath of the Titans'', ''Film/WrathOfTheTitans'', prayers have dwindled so much that the gods have all lost their immortality and many have died before the movie even started. They still have most of their powers, but they are fading. Thus, the [[SealedEvilInACan Titans]] are breaking free. On a FridgeLogic note, why are the Titans still around? The gods fuel their immortality with worship, what do the Titans use? And before there were humans to empower them, the gods took down the Titans, didn't they?
7th Jul '16 5:26:12 PM Doug86
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* In the ''BookOfSwords'', when people find out gods can be killed, their faith is shaken. Eventually, it is discovered that humans created gods by believing... which they stop, destroying all the gods. This leads to the question of "If humans made the gods, where did humans come from?" (Inversion of a question often asked theists in RealLife.)

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* In the ''BookOfSwords'', ''Literature/BookOfSwords'', when people find out gods can be killed, their faith is shaken. Eventually, it is discovered that humans created gods by believing... which they stop, destroying all the gods. This leads to the question of "If humans made the gods, where did humans come from?" (Inversion of a question often asked theists in RealLife.)
3rd Jul '16 5:55:46 PM nombretomado
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* PhysicalGod Mata Nui of ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' fame would have ''died'' if the Matoran people had stopped doing their jobs. And this trope was applied with good reason -- he was a HumongousMecha, and the Matoran kept him functional by doing essential work inside him.

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* PhysicalGod Mata Nui of ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' fame would have ''died'' if the Matoran people had stopped doing their jobs. And this trope was applied with good reason -- he was a HumongousMecha, and the Matoran kept him functional by doing essential work inside him.
30th Jun '16 9:57:50 PM PaulA
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* Creator/DavidEddings uses it in the ''Elenium'' and ''Tamuli'' trilogies (the source of the page header quote). At one point, the goddess Aphrael becomes ill because her worshippers are being killed.

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* Creator/DavidEddings uses it in the ''Elenium'' ''Literature/TheElenium'' and ''Tamuli'' trilogies (the source of the page header quote). ''Literature/TheTamuli'' trilogies. At one point, the goddess Aphrael becomes ill because her worshippers are being killed.killed.
-->'''Aphrael:''' They were Gods once, but their worshippers either died out or were converted to the worship of other Gods. They wail and flutter around the edges of reality without substance or even thought. All they have is need. ... We go out of fashion, Sparhawk--like last year's gowns or old shoes and hats. The Powerless Ones are discarded Gods who shrink and shrink as the years go by until they're finally nothing at all but a kind of anguished wailing.
17th Jun '16 11:51:11 PM Doug86
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* In the ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' comics, the DimensionLord Mojo's magic powers are tied to the number of people who pay him homage, which they do by watching his TV shows.

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* In the ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' ''Comicbook/XMen'' comics, the DimensionLord Mojo's magic powers are tied to the number of people who pay him homage, which they do by watching his TV shows.
17th Jun '16 5:44:54 PM zarpaulus
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** Ēostre is shown to be one of the most powerful old gods thanks to Easter. Even though most people, even self-proclaimed "pagans", don't know about her connection to the holiday.
** Gaiman was originally going to include a scene where Shadow met Jesus, but didn't like it and took it out. It's included in an appendix to the 10th Anniversary Edition. [[spoiler: There he explains that he is very successful, but at the cost of losing a cohesive identity as so many people come up with their own idea of what he is.]]
10th Jun '16 1:30:14 AM Kazmahu
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* Gods don't ''need'' followers to survive in ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'', but it certainly helps. The old pantheons consist of very powerful individuals, but without faithful to carry out their will on a strategic scale, there's not much they can do. Especially since most of the world is some variant of Abrahamic, and all Abrahamic religions actually refer to the same (physically extant) heaven and holy figures, meaning the Angel faction is a ''juggernaut''. [[spoiler:[[GodIsDead God being dead]] and the angels' powers being reliant on a rickety system that requires blind faith that would be compromised by active leadership, along with a manpower shortage after the GreatOffscreenWar]] are needed to balance what would otherwise be a [[StoryBreakerPower story-breaking advantage]].
9th Jun '16 9:24:27 AM baschapp
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*** Some entities, usually malevolent entities, that are worshiped as gods in Marvel really do derive power from it- Dormammu, for instance, has his energies constantly replenished by worship throughout the universe, while the Elder God Set once gained power not from worship ''per se'', but by violence committed by certain species he was connected to (such as the dinosaurs). However, in both cases their power is more like {{Mana}}- using their powers costs them magical energy, and they only need rest to replenish it (though Dormammu also gains strength from annexing other dimensions). On their own both are as strong or stronger than even the likes of Odin, who is the strongest "regular" god there is and can affect things on a ''galactic'' scale- worship simply means they don't have to worry about tiring themselves out.

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*** Some entities, usually malevolent entities, that are worshiped as gods in Marvel really do derive power from it- Dormammu, for instance, has his energies constantly replenished by worship throughout the universe, multiverse, while the Elder God Set once gained power not from worship ''per se'', but by violence committed by certain species he was connected to (such as the dinosaurs). However, in both cases their power is more like {{Mana}}- using their powers costs them magical energy, and they only need rest to replenish it (though Dormammu also gains strength from annexing other dimensions). On their own both are as strong or stronger than even the likes of Odin, who is the strongest "regular" god there is and can affect things on a ''galactic'' scale- worship simply means they don't have to worry about tiring themselves out.



* In the ''IronDruidChronicles'' the gods have their own sources of magic and don't really need to be constantly worshiped to remain powerful, but active worship is required for them to be able to physically manifest on Earth, and the way people believe in them shapes their appearance when they do.

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* In the ''IronDruidChronicles'' the gods have their own sources of magic and don't really need to be constantly worshiped to remain powerful, but active worship is required for them to be able to physically manifest on Earth, and the way people believe in them shapes their appearance when they do. However, they only need to manifest after their original bodies die. Otherwise they're fine.
2nd Jun '16 1:48:53 AM PaulA
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* A variation on this occurs in Creator/TanithLee's "Tales From the Flat Earth" series, where most of the god-like "Lords of Darkness" derive themselves from humanity's understanding of abstractions; i.e. they start out as mindless forces, and over time, as humanity personifies them, they become actual entities with full-blown personalities. The actual creators of the earth, however, the Gods, are pretty much oblivious to humanity, and ignore prayers and offerings. The Lords of Darkness are often worshiped as Gods, though (this is a major plot point in the second and fourth books), and are about one level or so below the actual Gods in power. Azhrarn, the first Lord, and personification of Wickedness, is different from the other lords, in that he's older than the universe, doesn't need human belief to be personified, and is probably as old as the Gods, but not as powerful; though it is implied that human perceptions of him do "fluff up" his definition, or at least has some relation to how he manifests, but only slightly. However, it is strongly implied, if not outright stated, that without humanity, Azhrarn would lose his sense of purpose, even though he would still exist. The other lords, like Chuz, Lord of Madness, or Uhlume, Lord of Death, are explicitly the products of human imagination, do not predate the universe, and it is implied that they would fade away without humanity.

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* A variation on this occurs in Creator/TanithLee's "Tales From the Flat Earth" ''Literature/TalesFromTheFlatEarth'' series, where most of the god-like "Lords of Darkness" derive themselves from humanity's understanding of abstractions; i.e. they start out as mindless forces, and over time, as humanity personifies them, they become actual entities with full-blown personalities. The actual creators of the earth, however, the Gods, are pretty much oblivious to humanity, and ignore prayers and offerings. The Lords of Darkness are often worshiped as Gods, though (this is a major plot point in the second and fourth books), and are about one level or so below the actual Gods in power. Azhrarn, the first Lord, and personification of Wickedness, is different from the other lords, in that he's older than the universe, doesn't need human belief to be personified, and is probably as old as the Gods, but not as powerful; though it is implied that human perceptions of him do "fluff up" his definition, or at least has some relation to how he manifests, but only slightly. However, it is strongly implied, if not outright stated, that without humanity, Azhrarn would lose his sense of purpose, even though he would still exist. The other lords, like Chuz, Lord of Madness, or Uhlume, Lord of Death, are explicitly the products of human imagination, do not predate the universe, and it is implied that they would fade away without humanity.
1st Jun '16 6:57:14 PM PaulA
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* This is the case in [[Creator/RogerZelazny Roger Zelazny's]] ''Dilvish the Damned''. Specifically in ''Devil and the Dancer'' short story the last worshipper of an almost-forgotten god is very important to him and he has to do the things she wants, even if he finds them revolting. It works in the opposite direction too, the BigBad Jelerak has been mentioned in evil spells so many times, [[SpeakOfTheDevil the mere mention of his name]] can summon dark spirits.

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* This is the case in [[Creator/RogerZelazny Roger Zelazny's]] ''Dilvish Creator/RogerZelazny's ''Literature/DilvishTheDamned''. In the Damned''. Specifically in ''Devil and the Dancer'' short story "Devil and the Dancer", the last worshipper of an almost-forgotten god is very important to him and he has to do the things she wants, even if he finds them revolting. It works in the opposite direction too, too: the BigBad Jelerak has been mentioned in evil spells so many times, [[SpeakOfTheDevil the mere mention of his name]] can summon dark spirits.
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