History Main / GodsNeedPrayerBadly

12th Feb '16 10:50:02 PM Kazmahu
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*** ''[[VideoGame/HyperdimensionNeptuniaReBirth1 Re;Birth 1]]'' (which takes notes from the first game but tells its own story) does something similar, and then flips it on its head. [[spoiler: How do the CPUs defeat a monster that regenerates because people believe it will? [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Run a propaganda campaign to convince a majority of people it won't.]]]]
13th Jan '16 12:55:30 PM CountDorku
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** After months of speculation, [[http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/303 it was finally revealed to be the canon situation]], with the Theros gods being born from humanity's beliefs infused in Nyx (Theros' [[TheSacredDarkness magical nightsky]], associated with dreams and the subconscious). As per Kruphix (the god of horizons and mysteries), many gods have come and gone, including previous [[ThePowerOfTheSun sun gods]] (Theros' current sun god, [[BiggerBad Heliod]], [[{{Irony}} is an arrogant douchebag who proclaims himself "the greatest of these"]]).
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** After months of speculation, [[http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/303 it was finally revealed to be the canon situation]], with the Theros gods being born from humanity's beliefs infused in Nyx (Theros' [[TheSacredDarkness magical nightsky]], associated with dreams and the subconscious). As per Kruphix (the god of horizons and mysteries), many gods have come and gone, including previous [[ThePowerOfTheSun sun gods]] (Theros' current sun god, [[BiggerBad Heliod]], [[{{Irony}} is an arrogant douchebag who proclaims himself "the greatest of these"]]). Following [[spoiler:Elspeth's death]], Ajani Goldmane has openly declared war on the gods by convincing people not to worship them.
25th Dec '15 9:55:55 PM baschapp
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* In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', the Heroic Spirits (not outright gods but at least a few levels of spiritualism above humans) mostly exist due to - and are partially sustained and empowered by - the belief they've inspired in humanity. Their strength appears based partly on their actual power and partly on pure PopularityPower. As Rin explains in the game prologue, even fictional characters count, what matters is the image created by the minds of the people. The game features two major explorations of this - [[spoiler:Assassin is a nameless samurai called forth to play the role of Sasaki Kojiro, an opponent of MiyamotoMusashi]], who is entirely fictional in the {{Nasuverse}}. In other words, the pure belief that humanity has in the existence of said hero is so strong that it allows him to exist, [[spoiler:albeit through summoning a nameless spirit to take on his name and fill his role]]. On the flip side, [[spoiler:Archer is a hero from the future]]; nobody knows of his existence and he therefore owes neither his existence nor any of his powers from belief, persisting as a Heroic Spirit only through the connection all Heroic Spirits have with the earth itself. [[TheBerserker Heracles]], naturally, gets top billing either way you look at it. [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] (the very first Heroic Spirit) and KingArthur also rank highly, as does [[AlexanderTheGreat Iskander]] in ''LightNovel/FateZero''. ** Some gods in the {{Nasuverse}} also experienced this. While some existed before there were beings who could believe in them, many Divine Spirits were created by the belief of humanity. As time passed and worship waned, they faded and became weaker Elementals. Gilgamesh was created by the gods of ancient Mesopotamia in a vain attempt to stop this from happening to them.
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* In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', the Heroic Spirits (not outright gods but at least a few levels of spiritualism above humans) mostly exist due to - and are partially sustained and empowered by - the belief they've inspired in humanity. Their strength appears based partly on their actual power and partly on pure PopularityPower. As Rin explains in the game prologue, even fictional characters count, what matters is the image created by the minds of the people. The game features two major explorations of this - [[spoiler:Assassin is a nameless samurai called forth to play the role of Sasaki Kojiro, an opponent of MiyamotoMusashi]], who is entirely fictional in the {{Nasuverse}}. In other words, the pure belief that humanity has in the existence of said hero is so strong that it allows him to exist, [[spoiler:albeit through summoning a nameless spirit to take on his name and fill his role]]. On the flip side, [[spoiler:Archer is a hero from the future]]; nobody knows of his existence and he therefore owes neither his existence nor any of his powers from belief, persisting as a Heroic Spirit only through the connection all Heroic Spirits have with the earth itself. [[TheBerserker Heracles]], naturally, gets top billing either way you look at it. [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] (the very first Heroic Spirit) and KingArthur also rank highly, as does [[AlexanderTheGreat Iskander]] in ''LightNovel/FateZero''. ''LightNovel/FateZero''. To clarify a bit, if a person gains enough acknowledgement in the minds of humanity at large - be it as a Hero, Villian, or Anti-Hero - , real or imagined, they go to the afterlife known as the Throne of Heroes, rather than what happens to normal souls. Once there, they become pseudo-deific spirits of enormous power known as Heroic Spirits. As the Throne exists outside of time, all Heroic Spirits, past, present, and future, dwell there, even after being completely forgotten. That said, a Heroic Spirit's power(as well as their specific Noble Phantasms. Such as, King Arthur's Excalibur is the most famous part of his legend. So naturally it is more powerful than another, such as Rhongomyniad, another weapon of his, yet a far more obscure one) increases the most people know about it. So while being forgotten won't kill or destroy them, being remembered makes them stronger. It even happens on a local level. Hercules is a famous Heroic Spirit worldwide, so when he is summoned as Berserker in Japan, he retains a far greater portion of his powers than Cú Chulainn - Lancer - who would normally be capable of going head-to-head with him, but is so obscure in Japan that he holds only a fraction of his normal strength. This has lead to him being dubbed by fans as "the Most Useless Servant in the War". For a bit of context, when Vlad the Impaler is summoned in Fate/Apocrypha, he is at about 60% power outside of Transylvania, and he's famous worldwide for inspiring the Legend of Dracula. Cú Chulainn, on the other hand, is so obscenely obscure outside of Northern Europe that its unlikely that people from anywhere else had even heard of him before watching this. ** Some The gods in of the {{Nasuverse}} also experienced this. While some existed before there were beings who could believe in them, many Divine Spirits were created by the belief of humanity. As time passed and worship waned, they faded and became weaker Elementals.Elementals, or ceased to exist. Gilgamesh was created by the gods of ancient Mesopotamia in a vain attempt to stop this from happening to them. He [[JerkassGods saw that the gods were oppressing humanity]], and [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters instead hastened their end]].
23rd Dec '15 11:40:39 PM 082122712641
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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the entirety of Astral Plane of existence, is actually the embodiment of the collective human subconscious. As such, beings that exist in human fantasy such as mythological creatures exist within the Astral realm. [[spoiler:Even the Idea of Evil, the equivalent of God in this setting, is created from humanity's desire for a reason in their suffering.]]

* In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', the Heroic Spirits (not outright gods but at least a few levels of spiritualism above humans) mostly exist due to - and are partially sustained and empowered by - the belief they've inspired in humanity. Their strength appears based partly on their actual power and partly on pure PopularityPower. As Rin explains in the game prologue, even fictional characters count, what matters is the image created by the minds of the people. The game features two major explorations of this - [[spoiler:Assassin is a nameless samurai called forth to play the role of Sasaki Kojiro, an opponent of MiyamotoMusashi]], who is entirely fictional in the {{Nasuverse}}. In other words, the pure belief that humanity has in the existence of said hero is so strong that it allows him to exist, [[spoiler:albeit through summoning a nameless spirit to take on his name and fill his role]]. On the flip side, [[spoiler:Archer is a hero from the future]]; nobody knows of his existence and he therefore owes neither his existence nor any of his powers from belief, persisting as a Heroic Spirit only through the connection all Heroic Spirits have with the earth itself. [[TheBerserker Heracles]], naturally, gets top billing either way you look at it. [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] (the very first Heroic Spirit) and KingArthur also rank highly, as does [[AlexanderTheGreat Iskander]] in ''LightNovel/FateZero''. ** Some gods in the {{Nasuverse}} also experienced this. While some existed before there were beings who could believe in them, many Divines Spirits were created by the belief of humanity. As time passed and worship waned, they faded and became weaker Elementals. Gilgamesh was created by the gods of ancient Mesopotamia in a vain attempt to stop this from happening to them.

** This trope may have been the origin point for [[EldritchAbomination Nyarlathotep]], a monster [[MadeOfEvil born of the hatred, fear, greed and despair of all of mankind]]. As the Shadow of Humanity's collective unconscious, it is easy to see where the title of "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Crawling Chaos]]" comes from.
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** This trope may have been is also true for the origin point for [[EldritchAbomination Persona universe, where [[VideoGame/{{Persona 2}} Philemon, Nyarlathotep]], a monster [[MadeOfEvil born [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Erebus]], and [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Izanami]], are all personifications of various aspects of human mind within the hatred, fear, greed and despair of all of mankind]]. As the Shadow of Humanity's collective unconscious, it is easy to see where the title of "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Crawling Chaos]]" comes from.Collective Unconscious.

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** This trope may have been [[folder:Visual Novel]] * In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', the origin point for [[EldritchAbomination Nyarlathotep]], Heroic Spirits (not outright gods but at least a monster [[MadeOfEvil born few levels of spiritualism above humans) mostly exist due to - and are partially sustained and empowered by - the belief they've inspired in humanity. Their strength appears based partly on their actual power and partly on pure PopularityPower. As Rin explains in the game prologue, even fictional characters count, what matters is the image created by the minds of the hatred, fear, greed people. The game features two major explorations of this - [[spoiler:Assassin is a nameless samurai called forth to play the role of Sasaki Kojiro, an opponent of MiyamotoMusashi]], who is entirely fictional in the {{Nasuverse}}. In other words, the pure belief that humanity has in the existence of said hero is so strong that it allows him to exist, [[spoiler:albeit through summoning a nameless spirit to take on his name and despair fill his role]]. On the flip side, [[spoiler:Archer is a hero from the future]]; nobody knows of his existence and he therefore owes neither his existence nor any of his powers from belief, persisting as a Heroic Spirit only through the connection all of mankind]]. As Heroic Spirits have with the Shadow of Humanity's collective unconscious, it is easy to see where earth itself. [[TheBerserker Heracles]], naturally, gets top billing either way you look at it. [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] (the very first Heroic Spirit) and KingArthur also rank highly, as does [[AlexanderTheGreat Iskander]] in ''LightNovel/FateZero''. ** Some gods in the title {{Nasuverse}} also experienced this. While some existed before there were beings who could believe in them, many Divine Spirits were created by the belief of "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Crawling Chaos]]" comes from.humanity. As time passed and worship waned, they faded and became weaker Elementals. Gilgamesh was created by the gods of ancient Mesopotamia in a vain attempt to stop this from happening to them. [[/folder]]
23rd Dec '15 12:37:01 AM AdamC
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** In fact, Creator/NeilGaiman frequently reminded readers that [[AnthropomorphicPersonification The Endless]] are not gods, because they do not care if they are remembered and will persist long after humanity is gone. They ''really are'' Death, Dream, Despair etc, and their existence depends on these aspects of the universe rather than mythology, and not just on Earth.
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** In fact, Creator/NeilGaiman frequently reminded readers that [[AnthropomorphicPersonification The Endless]] are not gods, because they do not care if they are remembered and will persist long after humanity is gone. They ''really are'' Death, Dream, Despair etc, and their existence depends on these aspects of the universe rather than mythology, and not just on Earth. That said they can be ''altered'' by human perception or simple changes in the cosmos, but these changes typically happen over the course of eons.
18th Dec '15 1:30:00 PM storvik
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** That's because the deities with more worshipers have more power to lend to their priests/priestesses.
22nd Nov '15 5:57:45 PM nombretomado
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* [[GodIsEvil Yahweh]], in ''TheSalvationWar''. A {{lampshade|Hanging}} is hung on it by an intelligence officer, who describes him as "Like [[Series/StargateSG1 the Ori]]." Satan, on the other hand, is collecting suffering in Hell. They are both collecting because [[spoiler:they both have the unsubstantiated belief that they need more energy to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence since both of their universes are shrinking and will collapse eventually (in a few billion years).]]
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* [[GodIsEvil Yahweh]], in ''TheSalvationWar''.''Literature/TheSalvationWar''. A {{lampshade|Hanging}} is hung on it by an intelligence officer, who describes him as "Like [[Series/StargateSG1 the Ori]]." Satan, on the other hand, is collecting suffering in Hell. They are both collecting because [[spoiler:they both have the unsubstantiated belief that they need more energy to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence since both of their universes are shrinking and will collapse eventually (in a few billion years).]]
15th Nov '15 4:50:54 AM Malitia
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** Loki on the other hand quite confident on claiming that gods ''don't'' need belief... but they do need something from people and that's [[TheoryOfNarrativeCausality stories]]. On one hand believing Loki is not a smart idea on the other they ''did'' demonstrate the ability to affect change by mucking with myths. (To date Loki successfully rewrote Cul, wrote Hela into existence, and retold Loki.)
12th Nov '15 5:59:25 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''Literature/TheSoldierSon'' trilogy by RobinHobb. The main character attempts to denounce that he owes ones of the "Old gods" a favour, saying that he "Believes in the Good God - You have no power over me" at which point the Old God laughs and tells him "How weak do you think Gods are? Do you think we require your belief in us to exist, how weak would such a god be?"
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* Subverted in ''Literature/TheSoldierSon'' trilogy by RobinHobb.Creator/RobinHobb. The main character attempts to denounce that he owes ones of the "Old gods" a favour, saying that he "Believes in the Good God - You have no power over me" at which point the Old God laughs and tells him "How weak do you think Gods are? Do you think we require your belief in us to exist, how weak would such a god be?"
9th Nov '15 7:43:44 AM Berrenta
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* In DungeonCrawlStoneSoup, the amorphous god Jiyva has exactly one follower. If you kill it, Jiyva simply stops existing...[[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything unless you took it upon yourself to worship him beforehand]], in which case he calls you out on it.
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* In DungeonCrawlStoneSoup, the amorphous god Jiyva has exactly one follower. If you kill it, Jiyva simply stops existing...[[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything [[DevelopersForesight unless you took it upon yourself to worship him beforehand]], in which case he calls you out on it.
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