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30th Oct '17 3:40:09 AM Chabal2
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** '''All''' ''[=WH40K=]'' gods are evil. In ''[=WH40K=]'' the only really relevant gods (as in, the ones controlling [[TheLegionsOfHell the endless hordes of ravenous daemons]] and who have the ability to spread their "[[TheCorruption blessings]]" liberally upon their mortal followers as opposed to simply being a generally ineffectual focus of worship) literally embody the worst parts of sentience. The Gods of Chaos also embody positive qualities though: the disease ridden Nurgle loves all life equally; a bacterium is loved as much as a veteran of fifty years. Then there is Tzeentch, a God of {{Manipulative Bastard}}s...who is the Warhammer universe's God of ''Hope''.

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** '''All''' ''[=WH40K=]'' gods are evil. In ''[=WH40K=]'' the only really relevant gods (as in, the ones controlling [[TheLegionsOfHell the endless hordes of ravenous daemons]] and who have the ability to spread their "[[TheCorruption blessings]]" liberally upon their mortal followers as opposed to simply being a generally ineffectual focus of worship) literally embody the worst parts of sentience. The sentience.
** Disturbingly, the
Gods of Chaos also embody positive qualities though: qualities:
*** Khorne is
the embodiment of rage, so both berserkers and honorable warriors fall under his purview. Trying to gain favor with him by slaughtering the defenseless is not going to get you a lot of points.
*** Slaanesh is desire incarnate, and while hedonists are the most represented among his followers, artists and musicians can follow him as well.
*** The
disease ridden Nurgle loves all life equally; a bacterium is loved as much as a veteran of fifty years. years.
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Then there is Tzeentch, a God of {{Manipulative Bastard}}s...who is the Warhammer universe's God of ''Hope''.
29th Oct '17 9:10:51 PM MasterN
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* [[spoiler: [[BigBad The]] [[LightIsNotGood White]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen]] in ''LightNovel/TheUnexploredSummonBloodSign''. [[spoiler: She's seen as all-powerful and benevolent, but only the former is true. She's actually an incredible {{Yandere}} for Kyousuke, the main character, and doesn't care for anyone else. Unlike other examples of this trope, she doesn't hate humanity... but she's willing to do anything to make Kyousuke love her again, including endangering the entire world, so there's effectively no difference.]]

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* [[spoiler: [[BigBad The]] [[LightIsNotGood White]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen]] Queen]]]] in ''LightNovel/TheUnexploredSummonBloodSign''. [[spoiler: She's seen as all-powerful and benevolent, but only the former is true. She's actually an incredible {{Yandere}} for Kyousuke, the main character, and doesn't care for anyone else. Unlike other examples of this trope, she doesn't hate humanity... but she's willing to do anything to make Kyousuke love her again, including endangering the entire world, so there's effectively no difference.]]
29th Oct '17 9:09:50 PM MasterN
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* The White Queen in ''LightNovel/TheUnexploredSummonBloodSign''. She's seen as all-powerful and benevolent, but only the former is true. She's actually an incredible {{Yandere}} for Kyousuke, the main character, and doesn't care for anyone else. Unlike other examples of this trope, she doesn't hate humanity... but she's willing to do anything to make Kyousuke love her again, including endangering the entire world, so there's effectively no difference.

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* The White Queen [[spoiler: [[BigBad The]] [[LightIsNotGood White]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen]] in ''LightNovel/TheUnexploredSummonBloodSign''. [[spoiler: She's seen as all-powerful and benevolent, but only the former is true. She's actually an incredible {{Yandere}} for Kyousuke, the main character, and doesn't care for anyone else. Unlike other examples of this trope, she doesn't hate humanity... but she's willing to do anything to make Kyousuke love her again, including endangering the entire world, so there's effectively no difference.]]
29th Oct '17 7:58:37 AM RedScharlach
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** ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' implies that God exterminated and sealed away the demons because he disapproved of the way his first shot at creating life turned out. And he's basically an EldritchAbomination that [[TakenForGranite turns humans into pillars of salt]] [[BrownNote from merely looking upon him]]. Interestingly enough, however, in the original manga and the original manga alone, God wasn't really portrayed as evil in the Devilman Universe (or at least a completely and utterly irredeemable asshole yet). He originally created the world, left for a while, then found the Demons, who were not part of his plans, and considered them abominations. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil And in all brutal fairness, it's very easy to see why he hated them]], even if he's in the wrong for hating them just because it wasn't part of the plan, but seemed content to just let the tides of fate roll out once they began to free their icy prison. In what could have been seen as a massive PetTheDog and even HopeSpot for humanity in such a CrapsackWorld, God personally intervened in the story saving the human race by a [[spoiler:nuclear holocaust launched by a Demon possessing the president of Russia, who had launched Russia's entire nuclear payload in an attempt to destroy all of humanity,]] [[AMillionIsAStatistic albeit at the cost of turning every last human in Moscow into salt with his mere pressence.]] He may not have been friendly, but at least it might have seemed like he actually wanted the human race to win and survive the conflict against the Demons. But then...

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** ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' implies that God exterminated and sealed away the demons because he disapproved of the way his first shot at creating life turned out. And he's basically an EldritchAbomination that [[TakenForGranite turns humans into pillars of salt]] [[BrownNote from merely looking upon him]]. Interestingly enough, however, in the original manga and the original manga alone, God wasn't really portrayed as evil in the Devilman Universe (or at least a completely and utterly irredeemable asshole yet). He originally created the world, left for a while, then found the Demons, who were not part of his plans, and considered them abominations. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil And in all brutal fairness, it's very easy to see why he hated them]], even if he's in the wrong for hating them just because it wasn't part of the plan, but seemed content to just let the tides of fate roll out once they began to free their icy prison. In what could have been seen as a massive PetTheDog and even HopeSpot for humanity in such a CrapsackWorld, God personally intervened in the story saving the human race by a [[spoiler:nuclear holocaust launched by a Demon possessing the president of Russia, who had launched Russia's entire nuclear payload in an attempt to destroy all of humanity,]] [[AMillionIsAStatistic albeit at the cost of turning every last human in Moscow into salt with his mere pressence.presence.]] He may not have been friendly, but at least it might have seemed like he actually wanted the human race to win and survive the conflict against the Demons. But then...



* In ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'' (also by Ennis), God is shown to be a pathetic creature who has a pathological need to be loved, and is willing to destroy anyone who turns their back on Him. [[spoiler: As it turns out, He isn't even omnipotent; it's His ''throne'' that gives Him limitless power, and in the final issue he's tricked into leaving it and ends up reaped by his own [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]], who as it turns out WasOnceAMan whom God had ''massively'' screwed over in his mortal life ''so that'' he'd replace the current Angel of Death]].

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'' (also by Ennis), God is shown to be a pathetic creature who has a pathological need to be loved, and is willing to destroy anyone who turns their back on Him. [[spoiler: As [[spoiler:As it turns out, He isn't even omnipotent; it's His ''throne'' that gives Him limitless power, and in the final issue he's tricked into leaving it and ends up reaped by his own [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]], who as it turns out WasOnceAMan whom God had ''massively'' screwed over in his mortal life ''so that'' he'd replace the current Angel of Death]].



* Loki of ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' is often called and self-titled the "god of evil." Other gods or godlike beings from the MarvelUniverse are very much about evil including [[OmnicidalManiac Seth]] and the elder god Chthon. However, the actual highest being of the MarvelUniverse is almost certainly benevolent, and is usually refered to as The-One-Above-All, though it's [[TheUnseen debatable if he's ever actually been seen]] (though an entity that may or may not have been Him bore a striking similarity to JackKirby). His higher subordinates (whom all three of the above characters would be like dust mites to) have been known to drift into {{Jerkass}} LawfulNeutral on occasion, though.

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* Loki of ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' is often called and self-titled the "god of evil." Other gods or godlike beings from the MarvelUniverse are very much about evil including [[OmnicidalManiac Seth]] and the elder god Chthon. However, the actual highest being of the MarvelUniverse is almost certainly benevolent, and is usually refered referred to as The-One-Above-All, though it's [[TheUnseen debatable if he's ever actually been seen]] (though an entity that may or may not have been Him bore a striking similarity to JackKirby). His higher subordinates (whom all three of the above characters would be like dust mites to) have been known to drift into {{Jerkass}} LawfulNeutral on occasion, though.



* ''Fanfic/TheShapeOfTheNightmareToCome'', a ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' fic, has a particularly horrifying take on the "Star Child" theory: the Astronomicon fails and the Emperor dies, causing his immensely powerful soul to go into the Warp and become the so-called Star Father, a ''[[EldritchAbomination Chaos God]]''. '''''[[LawfulEvil Of Order]]'''''. The Star Father is so ridiculously powerful that with his birth it took the combined efforts of the other four Chaos Gods just to stop him from crushing them all outright, and he has a vast army of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Angyls]] with [[spoiler:the ascended head of the Grey Knights, Kaldor Draigo]] at it's head. Also, his CatchPhrase: "OBEY!!"

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* ''Fanfic/TheShapeOfTheNightmareToCome'', a ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' fic, has a particularly horrifying take on the "Star Child" theory: the Astronomicon fails and the Emperor dies, causing his immensely powerful soul to go into the Warp and become the so-called Star Father, a ''[[EldritchAbomination Chaos God]]''. '''''[[LawfulEvil Of Order]]'''''. The Star Father is so ridiculously powerful that with his birth it took the combined efforts of the other four Chaos Gods just to stop him from crushing them all outright, and he has a vast army of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Angyls]] with [[spoiler:the ascended head of the Grey Knights, Kaldor Draigo]] at it's its head. Also, his CatchPhrase: "OBEY!!"



** Nyarlathotep, the "Crawling Chaos", is the closest to what humans would understand as a divine being. Unfortunatly, he's more of a sadistic, malevolent TricksterGod than anything else, and has some nebulous purpose for humanity.

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** Nyarlathotep, the "Crawling Chaos", is the closest to what humans would understand as a divine being. Unfortunatly, Unfortunately, he's more of a sadistic, malevolent TricksterGod than anything else, and has some nebulous purpose for humanity.



* Creator/ArthurCClarke's short story ''The Star'' implies this. The protagonists investigate a supernova remnant, where they find a tiny planet with the ruins of a civilization that got destroyed when their sun went supernova. As they investigate the age of the supernova, they find out that [[spoiler:it's the Betlehem Star]].

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* Creator/ArthurCClarke's short story ''The Star'' implies this. The protagonists investigate a supernova remnant, where they find a tiny planet with the ruins of a civilization that got destroyed when their sun went supernova. As they investigate the age of the supernova, they find out that [[spoiler:it's the Betlehem Bethlehem Star]].



* Music/SageFrancis has a song called "Sun vs Moon", where he sings "God's not a woman/He's a big white guy in the sky/In the desert, saw reflections of his eyes/He doesn't cry for us/But when he does, it's cause he's drunk"

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* Music/SageFrancis has a song called "Sun vs Moon", where he sings "God's not a woman/He's a big white guy in the sky/In the desert, saw reflections of his eyes/He doesn't cry for us/But when he does, it's cause he's drunk"drunk."



* In ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'', "God" is [[spoiler:a world-destroying alien monster which doesn't have any dialogue.]] Although, it's explained by [[spoiler: the real Roger Bacon]] that it isn't truly a god, but rather something that's as far above humans as humans are above ants (or further).

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* In ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'', "God" is [[spoiler:a world-destroying alien monster which doesn't have any dialogue.]] Although, it's explained by [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the real Roger Bacon]] that it isn't truly a god, but rather something that's as far above humans as humans are above ants (or further).



* Odin in ''VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile2Silmeria'' [[spoiler:is ready to destroy the entire mortal world rather than face the possibility that humans will stop serving the gods unquestioningly. Lezard doesn't seem that bad all of the sudden]]. He is somewhat ''LawfulEvil'' in the first ''Valkyrie Profile'', too. After all [[spoiler:he is fine destroying the order of the mortal world by stealing it's sacred treasure just to have a mighty artifact for himself and to help Lenneth to recruit more Einherjar]].

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* Odin in ''VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile2Silmeria'' [[spoiler:is ready to destroy the entire mortal world rather than face the possibility that humans will stop serving the gods unquestioningly. Lezard doesn't seem that bad all of the sudden]]. He is somewhat ''LawfulEvil'' in the first ''Valkyrie Profile'', too. After all [[spoiler:he is fine destroying the order of the mortal world by stealing it's its sacred treasure just to have a mighty artifact for himself and to help Lenneth to recruit more Einherjar]].



* In ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta 2}}'', there is Loptr, who is [[spoiler: literally the evil side of Aesir, Creator-God of the mortal world. Created when Aesir decided to divide his powers and give them to humanity so humans would have free will, he wants to take control of reality back from them by any means necessary.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta 2}}'', there is Loptr, who is [[spoiler: literally [[spoiler:literally the evil side of Aesir, Creator-God of the mortal world. Created when Aesir decided to divide his powers and give them to humanity so humans would have free will, he wants to take control of reality back from them by any means necessary.]]



* Subverted in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords''. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Kreia]] believes the Force to be an evil god that forces the Jedi and Sith to war with each other for eternity for it's own amusement. Yet all evidence in the game and other ''Star Wars'' material pretty clearly suggests that this isn't true; even if the Force is sentient (which is debatable) than it has no influence on what mortals do with it's gifts. The implication builds to be that Kreia is simply [[NeverMyFault unwilling to accept her own flaws and sins]], so she instead chooses to pass off the blame to some vague force in the sky. Further her stated solution to this (destroying the Force) is noted to be absolutely insane and would likely kill every living being in the galaxy since there's a trace of Force presence in all life.]]

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords''. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Kreia]] believes the Force to be an evil god that forces the Jedi and Sith to war with each other for eternity for it's its own amusement. Yet all evidence in the game and other ''Star Wars'' material pretty clearly suggests that this isn't true; even if the Force is sentient (which is debatable) than it has no influence on what mortals do with it's its gifts. The implication builds to be that Kreia is simply [[NeverMyFault unwilling to accept her own flaws and sins]], so she instead chooses to pass off the blame to some vague force in the sky. Further her stated solution to this (destroying the Force) is noted to be absolutely insane and would likely kill every living being in the galaxy since there's a trace of Force presence in all life.]]
27th Oct '17 4:18:01 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''[[ComicBook/RedSonja Red Sonja - Wrath of the Gods]]'' depicts Odin from Norse Mythology at its most villainous, being a genocidal tyrant out to exterminate a [[PerfectPacifistPeople pacifist tribe]] out of pure racism and intends to reassert Norse Pantheon dominance over Hyboria once more. Loki serves as him as TheDragon and they were both responsible for slaughtering Thor's human family after hearing of a prophecy that he would one day dethrone him. And as if that wasn't bad enough, he is also a DirtyOldMan that [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty tries to claim Sonja as his own]].
20th Sep '17 4:16:22 PM MarqFJA
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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''misotheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke misotheism), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.

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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''misotheism''; ''maltheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke misotheism), ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.



** ''Misotheism'' ("hatred of Gods") is a related concept to ''Maltheism'', but is more active in its meaning -- rather than mere belief in a malevolent God, misotheism is an outright hatred of said God. OlderThanFeudalism, maltheistic positions and characters appear in Icelandic sagas and in some Hellenistic sagas. It is distinct from Maltheism in the sense that, whilst Maltheism is the position that God is unworthy of worship, Misotheism is ''active hatred'' for God. Frequently leads to [[HollywoodAtheist Hollywood atheism]]. Several Norse saga characters, e.g. Hrafnkell on ''Hrafnkell's saga'' were called ''goðlauss'' (godless) because of their disdain of the Norse deities and rather relying on themselves.

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** ''Misotheism'' ("hatred of Gods") is a related concept to ''Maltheism'', but is more active in its meaning -- rather than mere belief in a malevolent God, misotheism is an outright hatred of said God.God, regardless of its actual nature (i.e. it can be that GodIsGood, and yet is hated by a particular person despite or even because of said goodness). OlderThanFeudalism, maltheistic positions and characters appear in Icelandic sagas and in some Hellenistic sagas. It is distinct from Maltheism maltheism in the sense that, whilst Maltheism maltheism is the position that God is unworthy of worship, Misotheism misotheism is ''active hatred'' for God. Frequently leads to [[HollywoodAtheist Hollywood atheism]]. Several Norse saga characters, e.g. Hrafnkell on ''Hrafnkell's saga'' were called ''goðlauss'' (godless) because of their disdain of the Norse deities and rather relying on themselves.
20th Sep '17 4:12:42 PM MarqFJA
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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''maltheism''. These are beliefs that a monotheistic god is (respectively) [[TheGodsMustBeLazy lazy]] or evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.

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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''maltheism''. These ''misotheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is (respectively) [[TheGodsMustBeLazy lazy]] is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), misotheism), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.
16th Sep '17 5:36:33 PM nombretomado
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* ''FamilyGuy'' mostly uses the idea that GodIsFlawed, but on a few occasions, does show him to be a real jerk, such as the revelation that for some reason, people who are handicapped on Earth remain handicapped in Heaven (which looks like a Sandals resort). He's also been shown to be rather short and annoyed with his followers.

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* ''FamilyGuy'' ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' mostly uses the idea that GodIsFlawed, but on a few occasions, does show him to be a real jerk, such as the revelation that for some reason, people who are handicapped on Earth remain handicapped in Heaven (which looks like a Sandals resort). He's also been shown to be rather short and annoyed with his followers.
4th Sep '17 11:42:00 AM petersohn
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* Creator/ArthurCClarke's short story ''The Star'' implies this. The protagonists investigate a supernova remnant, where they find a tiny planet with the ruins of a civilization that got destroyed when their sun went supernova. As they investigate the age of the supernova, they find out that [[spoiler:it's the Betlehem Star]].
24th Aug '17 1:32:54 PM DustSnitch
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In settings that take the controversial stance of God being evil, it is not uncommon for [[SatanIsGood his infernal opposite to be good]]. Or for his [[{{Jesus}} son]] to be [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]]. Other times, Satan may simply be TheStarscream. This [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks isn't strictly necessary]], however, especially in darker {{Crapsack World}}s whose authors take a [[BlackAndGreyMorality more humanistic and/or existential stance on things]].

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In settings that take the controversial stance of God being evil, it is not uncommon for [[SatanIsGood his infernal opposite to be good]]. Or for his [[{{Jesus}} son]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} Son]] to be [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]]. Other times, Satan may simply be TheStarscream. This [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks isn't strictly necessary]], however, especially in darker {{Crapsack World}}s whose authors take a [[BlackAndGreyMorality more humanistic and/or existential stance on things]].



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