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6th Apr '16 6:12:51 AM TwilightLord
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* The [[TerribleTrio Team Rocket]] trio in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' occasionally partake in this, perhaps most blatantly in one episode where everyone enters a orienteering contest. [[spoiler:James wins]].

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* The [[TerribleTrio Team Rocket]] trio in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' occasionally partake in this, perhaps most blatantly in one episode where everyone enters a orienteering contest. [[spoiler:James wins]]. Team Rocket frequently partake in legitimate battles and contests in ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}''. Especially apparent following the Sinnoh era, where they actually start to get good at it, even beating Ash's team on odd occasions just by playing fair. Played with since a lot of the time the trio wear costumes so the heroes don't recognise them.



** In one episode of ''Anime/SonicX'', there's a scene where Sonic finds Eggman sitting on a cliff overlooking Station Square, and the two have a remarkably civil conversation before going their separate ways.



* Team Rocket frequently partake in legitimate battles and contest in the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}''. Especially apparent following the Sinnoh era, where they actually start to get good at it, even beating Ash's team odd occasions just by playing fair. Played with since a lot of the time the trio wear costumes so the heroes don't recognise them.
23rd Mar '16 3:17:51 PM Psi001
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* Team Rocket frequently partake in legitimate battles and contest in the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}''. Especially apparent following the Sinnoh era, where they actually start to get good at it, even beating Ash's team odd occasions just by playing fair. Played with since a lot of the time the trio wear costumes so the heroes don't recognise them.
20th Mar '16 9:04:37 PM CountDorku
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Nobilis}}'', three factors align to produce this. One, Nobles are not generally authorised to pre-emptively attack [[OmnicidalManiac Excrucians]]; this diplomatic immunity is revoked once an attack or Rite takes place, but not before. Two, social events are SeriousBusiness to Nobles, to the point where Nobilis groups can spend three . Three, player characters have an impressive tendency to wish to befriend, romance, redeem or otherwise interact with Excrucians, especially the more socially acceptable ones like Deceivers (with a little help from traditional player character recklessness). The net result is that you get an awful lot of {{Humanoid Abomination}}s who wish to gradually unmake the world showing up at Noble parties and hobnobbing with their archenemies over ichthyosaurus and cucumber twists and little cheesy things impaled on fragments of the True Cross.

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Nobilis}}'', three factors align to produce this. One, Nobles are not generally authorised to pre-emptively attack [[OmnicidalManiac Excrucians]]; this diplomatic immunity is revoked once an attack or Rite takes place, but not before. Two, social events are SeriousBusiness to Nobles, to the point where Nobilis groups can spend three . three or more weeks ''planning'' a party. Three, player characters have an impressive tendency to wish to befriend, romance, redeem or and otherwise interact with Excrucians, especially the more socially acceptable ones like Deceivers (with a little help from traditional player character recklessness). The net result is that you get an awful lot of {{Humanoid Abomination}}s who wish to gradually unmake the world showing up at Noble parties and hobnobbing with their archenemies over ichthyosaurus and cucumber twists and little cheesy things impaled on fragments of the True Cross.
20th Mar '16 9:03:30 PM CountDorku
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Nobilis}}'', three factors align to produce this. One, Nobles are not generally authorised to pre-emptively attack [[OmnicidalManiac Excrucians]]; this diplomatic immunity is revoked once an attack or Rite takes place, but not before. Two, social events are SeriousBusiness to Nobles, to the point where Nobilis groups can spend three . Three, player characters have an impressive tendency to wish to befriend, romance, redeem or otherwise interact with Excrucians, especially the more socially acceptable ones like Deceivers (with a little help from traditional player character recklessness). The net result is that you get an awful lot of {{Humanoid Abomination}}s who wish to gradually unmake the world showing up at Noble parties and hobnobbing with their archenemies over ichthyosaurus and cucumber twists and little cheesy things impaled on fragments of the True Cross.



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5th Feb '16 1:56:46 PM eroock
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Compare DatingCatwoman. Contrast VillainOverForDinner. If the enemies happen to be deities as well, it's GodKartingWithBeelzebub. If, rather than Go Karting With Bowser, you're instead playing EnergyBall tennis [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime with Ganondorf]], that's TennisBoss.

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Compare NonViolentInitialConfrontation, DatingCatwoman. Contrast VillainOverForDinner. If the enemies happen to be deities as well, it's GodKartingWithBeelzebub. If, rather than Go Karting With Bowser, you're instead playing EnergyBall tennis [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime with Ganondorf]], that's TennisBoss.
4th Feb '16 12:25:30 PM ultimomant
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* ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal''

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* Inverted in the ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' universe, where the villains usually try to accomplish their goals by competing against the heroes in [[SeriousBusiness serious]] and [[AbsurdlyHighStakesGame occasionally deadly]] CardGames, and even nonthreatening duels are anything but friendly, even if its between characters that normally;''are'' friends.

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* Inverted in the ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' universe, where the villains usually try to accomplish their goals by competing against the heroes in [[SeriousBusiness serious]] and [[AbsurdlyHighStakesGame occasionally deadly]] CardGames, and even nonthreatening duels are anything but friendly, even if its between characters that normally;''are'' normally ''are'' friends.
30th Dec '15 12:56:56 PM Anddrix
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* An Creator/ElliotSMaggin ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story has SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor always escaping on a certain date each year; eventually Superman figures out he's trying to celebrate the birthday of UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, one of his heroes. Superman arranges for himself and Luthor to have a private tour of the Einstein section of the Smithsonian. Luthor actually tears up as he sees the statue. As Luthor is taken back to jail he tells Superman, "Thanks for everything!" Definitely a [[Heartwarming/{{Superman}} Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]].

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* An Creator/ElliotSMaggin ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story has SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor always escaping on a certain date each year; eventually Superman figures out he's trying to celebrate the birthday of UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, one of his heroes. Superman arranges for himself and Luthor to have a private tour of the Einstein section of the Smithsonian. Luthor actually tears up as he sees the statue. As Luthor is taken back to jail he tells Superman, "Thanks for everything!" Definitely a [[Heartwarming/{{Superman}} Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]].
29th Dec '15 7:00:32 AM Anddrix
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* In a ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' one-shot, Reed Richards and SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom resumed an unfinished chess game from their college days from ''memory'', even as they were fighting each other. And earlier in that one-shot, before they began fighting again, they were quite civil with each other.

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* In a ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' one-shot, Reed Richards and SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom resumed an unfinished chess game from their college days from ''memory'', even as they were fighting each other. And earlier in that one-shot, before they began fighting again, they were quite civil with each other.



* ''WebVideo/AssistMe'': The whole premise is Max teaching ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' Characters how to be better at the game ranging from his roommate SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom to [[ComicBook/JeanGrey Phoenix]].

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* ''WebVideo/AssistMe'': The whole premise is Max teaching ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' Characters how to be better at the game ranging from his roommate SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom to [[ComicBook/JeanGrey Phoenix]].
20th Dec '15 8:34:37 PM merotoker
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** Kenichi ends up in this situation when he thinks the very imposing Ethan Stanley is going to challenge him to a fight, and instead they end up discussing non-violent compromises over tea. It ends up he's a combination AntiVillain / PunchClockVillain who's only fighting to help his [[AttentionWhore annoying sister]]. What makes this situation even funnier is the fact when, just as Ethan is about to tell Kenichi his offer, he suddenly gets summonned by cell-phone to go on a burglaring mission and, as Kenichi is unwilling to suddenly part from Ethan, ''he accompanies Ethan on this mission as a sideline observer!'' Immediately after the mission is over, the interrupted conversation continues.
** While, unfortunately, the non-violent compromises are not used, they still sit down to tea several more times. You gotta give the guy credit for [[spoiler:how hard he tries to kill Kenichi]] even though he's ''so much nicer'' to Kenichi than Kenichi's supposed "best friend" Nijima. Kenichi even brings the ''entire class'' to [[spoiler:the airport to see Ethan off because he thought just disappearing would be too sad for such a nice guy.]]
* This happens quite a lot in ''Manga/{{Spiral}}''. Although it often does ''end up'' ugly, most of the time the opposite factions tend to just discuss their strategies, taunt each other, and/or sympathize with each other. Examples: After Kanone called Eyes to confirm that he's [[spoiler: going to try and kill all of the Blade Children]], Eyes goes to fetch him at the airport - Kanone isn't surprised. [[spoiler: That one ends up very ugly though.]] They call each other regularly, even in the middle of life-or-death battles, and have tea once it's over. Before the big fight, Kanone also holds non-violent discussions with his 'schoolmates' Kousuke and Ryouko (although his attempts to do the same with [[BrilliantButLazy Ayumu]] and Hiyono always end up threatening or more). Hizumi and Ayumu live together and have lots of fun, despite the fact that [[spoiler: [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destiny says the latter must one day kill the former.]]]] In ''Alive'', Amanae lives for some time with Imari, then Kousuke and company.

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** Kenichi ends up in this situation when he thinks the very imposing Ethan Stanley is going to challenge him to a fight, and instead they end up discussing non-violent compromises over tea. It ends up he's a combination AntiVillain / PunchClockVillain who's only fighting to help his [[AttentionWhore annoying sister]]. What makes this situation even funnier is the fact when, just as Ethan is about to tell Kenichi his offer, he suddenly gets summonned summoned by cell-phone to go on a burglaring mission and, as Kenichi is unwilling to suddenly part from Ethan, ''he accompanies Ethan on this mission as a sideline observer!'' Immediately after the mission is over, the interrupted conversation continues.
** While, unfortunately, the non-violent compromises are not used, they still sit down to tea several more times. You gotta give the guy credit for [[spoiler:how hard he tries to kill Kenichi]] even though he's ''so much nicer'' to Kenichi than Kenichi's supposed "best friend" Nijima. Kenichi even brings the ''entire class'' to [[spoiler:the airport to see Ethan off because he thought just disappearing would be too sad for such a nice guy.]]
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* This happens quite a lot in ''Manga/{{Spiral}}''. Although it often does ''end up'' ugly, most of the time the opposite factions tend to just discuss their strategies, taunt each other, and/or sympathize with each other. Examples: After Kanone called Eyes to confirm that he's [[spoiler: going to try and kill all of the Blade Children]], Eyes goes to fetch him at the airport - Kanone isn't surprised. [[spoiler: That one ends up very ugly though.]] They call each other regularly, even in the middle of life-or-death battles, and have tea once it's over. Before the big fight, Kanone also holds non-violent discussions with his 'schoolmates' Kousuke and Ryouko (although his attempts to do the same with [[BrilliantButLazy Ayumu]] and Hiyono always end up threatening or more). Hizumi and Ayumu live together and have lots of fun, despite the fact that [[spoiler: [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destiny says the latter must one day kill the former.]]]] former]]]]. In ''Alive'', Amanae lives for some time with Imari, then Kousuke and company.



** In addition to that, another one of their classmates is Kallen, Lelouch's ace pilot and in the second season, Brittanian knights Gino and Anya join the school. Gino represents this trope particularly well. The fact Kallen repeatedly tries to cook his HumongousMecha from the inside out with him still inside is absolutely no reason for him not to try and have a friendly schoolbuddies relationship with her. Though [[spoiler: there is hints that Gino would much rather be DatingCatwoman.]]

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** In addition to that, another one of their classmates is Kallen, Lelouch's ace pilot and in the second season, Brittanian knights Gino and Anya join the school. Gino represents this trope particularly well. The fact Kallen repeatedly tries to cook his HumongousMecha from the inside out with him still inside is absolutely no reason for him not to try and have a friendly schoolbuddies relationship with her. Though [[spoiler: there is hints that Gino would much rather be DatingCatwoman.]]DatingCatwoman]].



** The Flash, however, does not have this relationship with Gorilla Grodd, Zoom, or Kadabra because ItsPersonal. Grodd [[spoiler:led to the creation of the second Zoom]], Zoom [[spoiler:caused a ConvenientMiscarriage for his wife, although it was HandWaved later]], and Kadabra [[spoiler:had already tried to erase his wife from existence.]] The other villains of the city tend to just be trying to make a (dis)honest living or [[StatusQuoIsGod tried to reform and failed.]]

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** The Flash, however, does not have this relationship with Gorilla Grodd, Zoom, or Kadabra because ItsPersonal. Grodd [[spoiler:led to the creation of the second Zoom]], Zoom [[spoiler:caused a ConvenientMiscarriage for his wife, although it was HandWaved {{handwave}}d later]], and Kadabra [[spoiler:had already tried to erase his wife from existence.]] existence]]. The other villains of the city tend to just be trying to make a (dis)honest living or [[StatusQuoIsGod tried to reform and failed.]]



** Professor Xavier, leader of the X-Men, and ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, their arch-nemesis, [[WeUsedToBeFriends were once best of friends]]. Occasionally, they still find time for a game of chess or a philosophical discussion in between Magneto trying to kill Xavier's students.

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** Professor Xavier, leader of the X-Men, and ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}, their arch-nemesis, [[WeUsedToBeFriends were once best of friends]]. Occasionally, they still find time for a game of chess or a philosophical discussion in between Magneto trying to kill Xavier's students.



* Aziraphale and Crowley's relationship in ''Literature/GoodOmens'' started out like this and only got ''closer''. By the time the story gets underway [[spoiler:they've been actively defying both Heaven and Hell for years, and only participating in the angel/demon feud to keep up appearances.]]\\\

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* Aziraphale and Crowley's relationship in ''Literature/GoodOmens'' started out like this and only got ''closer''. By the time the story gets underway [[spoiler:they've been actively defying both Heaven and Hell for years, and only participating in the angel/demon feud to keep up appearances.]]\\\appearances]].\\\



* In ''Discworld/GoingPostal'', [[DevilInPlainSight Reacher Gilt]] is more than willing to have a little chat and pay the bill for [[ConArtist Moist von Lipwig's]] dinner in Ankh-Morpork's most expensive restaurant, despite being the main villain for the book. Even though [[spoiler:he is a tad surprised to see him there because he's just sent a hired killer to maul Moist and torch the Post Office. Oh dear.]]

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* In ''Discworld/GoingPostal'', [[DevilInPlainSight Reacher Gilt]] is more than willing to have a little chat and pay the bill for [[ConArtist Moist von Lipwig's]] dinner in Ankh-Morpork's most expensive restaurant, despite being the main villain for the book. Even though [[spoiler:he is a tad surprised to see him there because he's just sent a hired killer to maul Moist and torch the Post Office. Oh dear.]]dear]].



* Magician Roogna and Magician Murphy in ''Castle Roogna'' -- part of Creator/PiersAnthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series -- are quite civil to each other, and consider their battle for rulership of the humans in Xanth akin to a strategy game or contest. Others might see it differently, especially when [[spoiler:Murphy's magic talent lures two opposing forces into having the final apocalyptic battle of their war at Castle Roogna.]]

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* Magician Roogna and Magician Murphy in ''Castle Roogna'' -- part of Creator/PiersAnthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series -- are quite civil to each other, and consider their battle for rulership of the humans in Xanth akin to a strategy game or contest. Others might see it differently, especially when [[spoiler:Murphy's magic talent lures two opposing forces into having the final apocalyptic battle of their war at Castle Roogna.]]Roogna]].



It's worth noting he blamed Kefka for almost everything, even going as far as asking the party what should they do with said AxCrazy[=/=][[TheCaligula Caligula]]/[[StrawNihilist Nietzsche Wannabe]][=/=]OmnicidalManiac, [[TropeOverdosed trope overdose]] etc. One of the options is to execute him, though the correct choice is to leave him in jail. It's also worth mentioning that [[spoiler:the cast didn't fall for the ruse and tried to plan for an eventual betrayal. They just didn't realize the actual evil plan in time for it to be prevented.]]

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It's worth noting he blamed Kefka for almost everything, even going as far as asking the party what should they do with said AxCrazy[=/=][[TheCaligula Caligula]]/[[StrawNihilist Nietzsche Wannabe]][=/=]OmnicidalManiac, [[TropeOverdosed trope overdose]] etc. One of the options is to execute him, though the correct choice is to leave him in jail. It's also worth mentioning that [[spoiler:the cast didn't fall for the ruse and tried to plan for an eventual betrayal. They just didn't realize the actual evil plan in time for it to be prevented.]]prevented]].



* In one of the endings of ''VideoGame/TheBardsTale'', [[spoiler:The Bard, rather than side with either the demonic princess or the Druids trying to seal her away, tells them both to "sod off" and heads to the nearest tavern. The ending shows him hanging out in the tavern with the undead {{mooks}} he's been fighting throughout the game, who actually aren't that bad once you get to know them.]]

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* In one of the endings of ''VideoGame/TheBardsTale'', [[spoiler:The Bard, rather than side with either the demonic princess or the Druids trying to seal her away, tells them both to "sod off" and heads to the nearest tavern. The ending shows him hanging out in the tavern with the undead {{mooks}} he's been fighting throughout the game, who actually aren't that bad once you get to know them.]]them]].



*** By the time of Dual Destinies this trope has come fully into play, as it's revealed that [[spoiler:Phoenix often visited Edgeworth in Europe, and Edgeworth went to see Phoenix's daughter's magic show.]]

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*** By the time of Dual Destinies this trope has come fully into play, as it's revealed that [[spoiler:Phoenix often visited Edgeworth in Europe, and Edgeworth went to see Phoenix's daughter's magic show.]]show]].



** In a more canonical example, in the ''very first scene'' after branching onto Kohaku's route in the original visual novel, Shiki, the main hero, meets the BigBad who's his former childhood friend who became a SoulJar for the BiggerBad and is a serial killer/vampire/cannibal, [[spoiler:and has coffee with him on a park bench while discussing life and how they both fit into the world, and joking with each other like friends.]] Granted, [[spoiler:the villain had just caught Shiki going berserk and killing some people in a back alley.]] In the end, the villain does try to start a fight, but Shiki [[spoiler:[[{{MomentOfAwesome}}calmly tells him that he's superior in a fight to the death, and the villain puts his weapon away and agrees with him]], and decides to give up and leave town for good.]]

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** In a more canonical example, in the ''very first scene'' after branching onto Kohaku's route in the original visual novel, Shiki, the main hero, meets the BigBad who's his former childhood friend who became a SoulJar for the BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain and is a serial killer/vampire/cannibal, [[spoiler:and has coffee with him on a park bench while discussing life and how they both fit into the world, and joking with each other like friends.]] friends]]. Granted, [[spoiler:the villain had just caught Shiki going berserk and killing some people in a back alley.]] In the end, the villain does try to start a fight, but Shiki [[spoiler:[[{{MomentOfAwesome}}calmly tells him that he's superior in a fight to the death, and the villain puts his weapon away and agrees with him]], and decides to give up and leave town for good.]]good]].



* This is supposed to be the relationship between the Guild of Calamitous Intent and the good guys they're arching on ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers''; the Monarch's genuine (if totally irrational) hatred for Dr. Venture is what sets him apart from normal villains. Sergeant Hatred, on the other hand, has no trouble inviting his arch-nemesis to a barbecue. This lead to Hatred's HeelFaceTurn. Although Hatred himself admits he was being particularly civil to Dr. Venture just to piss the Monarch off because [[{{Revenge}} the Monarch's henchmen had been stealing parts from his hovertank,]] [[OhCrap a fact of which the Monarch believed him to be blissfully unaware.]]

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* This is supposed to be the relationship between the Guild of Calamitous Intent and the good guys they're arching on ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers''; the Monarch's genuine (if totally irrational) hatred for Dr. Venture is what sets him apart from normal villains. Sergeant Hatred, on the other hand, has no trouble inviting his arch-nemesis to a barbecue. This lead led to Hatred's HeelFaceTurn. Although Hatred himself admits he was being particularly civil to Dr. Venture just to piss the Monarch off because [[{{Revenge}} the Monarch's henchmen had been stealing parts from his hovertank,]] [[OhCrap a fact of which the Monarch believed him to be blissfully unaware.]]



* The UsefulNotes/ColdWar in general featured a whole bunch of this, since the two sides did not fight each other directly, and the United States and Soviet Union technically recognized and were at peace with each other. American and Soviet diplomats were frequently good -- if careful -- friends with one another, and most famously, UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan and UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev struck up a friendship in the mid-1980s. The fact that this was true and not particularly well-hidden led some to speculate as early as the 1970s that a complete rapprochement between the US and USSR was in the offing. They were right--in 1989, Gorbachev officially stated that the United States was no longer a strategic enemy of the Soviet Union, and the USSR backed the US up politically in the UsefulNotes/GulfWar--but [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp unfortunately for these prognosticators]], the Soviet Republics decided to declare independence from the USSR one by one, until the Russian SFSR, the largest SSR, did so, leaving the Soviet Union a mere scrap of paper.

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* The UsefulNotes/ColdWar in general featured a whole bunch of this, since the two sides did not fight each other directly, and the United States and Soviet Union technically recognized and were at peace with each other. American and Soviet diplomats were frequently good -- if careful -- friends with one another, and most famously, UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan and UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev struck up a friendship in the mid-1980s. The fact that this was true and not particularly well-hidden led some to speculate as early as the 1970s that a complete rapprochement between the US and USSR was in the offing. They were right--in 1989, Gorbachev officially stated that the United States was no longer a strategic enemy of the Soviet Union, and the USSR backed the US up politically in the UsefulNotes/GulfWar--but UsefulNotes/TheGulfWar--but [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp unfortunately for these prognosticators]], the Soviet Republics decided to declare independence from the USSR one by one, until the Russian SFSR, the largest SSR, did so, leaving the Soviet Union a mere scrap of paper.



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7th Dec '15 9:48:20 AM Hossmeister
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** Phoenix has a [[SpotOfTea Spot of t... coffee]] with Godot, right after the end of their last trial together in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney: Trials and Tribulations''. Also, Apollo and Trucy went together to Klavier Gavin's concert in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''. That said, Trucy ''is'' (or had rather become) a huge fan of Gavin's band, and Apollo was never really that hostile towards Klavier anyway -- he just doesn't like the loud music. On the other hand, Ema Skye would rather have coated her left arm in Snackoos and eaten it than wind up running security for the gig out of her personal loathing for Gavin, and makes this sentiment loud and clear when she meets up with Apollo backstage.

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** Phoenix has a [[SpotOfTea Spot of t... coffee]] with Godot, right after the end of their last trial together in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney: Trials and Tribulations''.''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyTrialsAndTribulations''. Also, Apollo and Trucy went together to Klavier Gavin's concert in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''. That said, Trucy ''is'' (or had rather become) a huge fan of Gavin's band, and Apollo was never really that hostile towards Klavier anyway -- he just doesn't like the loud music. On the other hand, Ema Skye would rather have coated her left arm in Snackoos and eaten it than wind up running security for the gig out of her personal loathing for Gavin, and makes this sentiment loud and clear when she meets up with Apollo backstage.
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