History Main / GloryDays

5th Apr '16 12:22:24 PM WillBGood
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* Losing the limelight and falling out of public acclaim can do terrible things to a former star, especially if they were psychologically fragile to begin with. The trauma of former England football star Paul Gascoigne, who slumped into alcoholism and psychosis when struggling to build a meaningful post-football life, is well documented. Frank Bruno, briefly a British world heavyweight boxing champion, also fell into mental illness after retiring. And it even happens to [[PageThreeStunna glamour girls]]: the decline and fall of Jane Warner is described on this page, and is not a pretty story.

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* Losing the limelight and falling out of public acclaim can do terrible things to a former star, especially if they were psychologically fragile to begin with. The trauma of former England football star Paul Gascoigne, who slumped into alcoholism and psychosis when struggling to build a meaningful post-football life, is well documented. Frank Bruno, briefly a British world heavyweight boxing champion, also fell into mental illness after retiring. And it even happens to [[PageThreeStunna glamour girls]]: the decline and fall of Jane Warner is described on [[http://www.nickdavies.net/1996/03/01/the-frustrated-dreams-of-ordinary-people/ this page, page,]] and is not a pretty story.
11th Mar '16 9:10:55 AM erforce
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* The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were going through this in ''[[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT]]'', which is odd, since there was no indication from the last movie that things would turn out this way.

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* The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles were going through this in ''[[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT]]'', ''WesternAnimation/{{TMNT}}'', which is odd, since there was no indication from the last movie that things would turn out this way.
8th Mar '16 9:36:20 AM MetaFour
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* Music/DanielAmos's "Memory Lane" (from ''Music/{{Doppelganger}}'') is a warning about spending too much time reminiscing over the past:
-->You have gotten much thinner \\
You're lookin' like a shadow\\
It's from dwelling on the might-have-beens \\
Living in a time-warp\\
To whom am I speaking? \\
Some ghost from the past? \\
While you think about old glories\\
You're fading real fast
1st Mar '16 1:16:58 PM MsChibi
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When a character had to leave a dangerous life for a more mundane one, and spends it longing for his glory days, he is in love with being InHarmsWay. If the character is using her children as a vector through which to either achieve what she never did or relive her glory days (instead of letting the kids be who they are), she may become an EducationMama or a StageMom.

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When a character had to leave a dangerous life for a more mundane one, and spends it longing for his glory days, he is in love with being InHarmsWay. If the character is using her children as a vector through which to either achieve what she never did or relive her glory days (instead of letting the kids be who they are), she may become an EducationMama or a StageMom. See also JockDadNerdSon.
29th Feb '16 6:12:27 PM MsChibi
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When a character had to leave a dangerous life for a more mundane one, and spends it longing for his glory days, he is in love with being InHarmsWay.

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When a character had to leave a dangerous life for a more mundane one, and spends it longing for his glory days, he is in love with being InHarmsWay.
InHarmsWay. If the character is using her children as a vector through which to either achieve what she never did or relive her glory days (instead of letting the kids be who they are), she may become an EducationMama or a StageMom.
29th Feb '16 6:09:41 PM MsChibi
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One of the classic examples is the stereotypical high school jock who won the big game, and spends the rest of his life in an unsatisfying job. Either he didn't make it in college, or he's treated as a rank-and-file drone in the business world. Later he may inform his miserable children that these are the BestYearsOfYourLife.

Compare ICouldaBeenAContender, NostalgiaFilter (when a character looks back on the past with rose-tinted glasses), ToughActToFollow, WhiteDwarfStarlet, JadedWashout (spends his time wishing he was still back there), and TradeYourPassionForGlory.

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One of the classic examples is the stereotypical high school jock who won the big game, and spends the rest of his life in an unsatisfying job. Either he didn't make it in college, or he's treated as a rank-and-file drone OfficeDrone in the business world. Later he may inform his miserable children that these are the BestYearsOfYourLife.

Compare ICouldaBeenAContender, NostalgiaFilter (when a character looks back on the past with rose-tinted glasses), ToughActToFollow, WhiteDwarfStarlet, JadedWashout (spends his time wishing he was still back there), LoserProtagonist, and TradeYourPassionForGlory.
19th Feb '16 4:56:33 AM JulianLapostat
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** Russians also invoke the GloryDays of Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Catherine the Geat and the long 19th Century from Napoleon's Invasion to the Russian Japanese War mostly because it was the GoldenAge of Russian letters (Pushkin, Gogol, Turgenev, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov). This was also the era of the end of serfdom, the failed Decembrist uprising and early attempts at liberalism. There's also a lot of nostalgia for Russian Formalism and TheSovietTwenties, mostly because it was the GoldenAge for Soviet cinema.



** For socialists and left-wingers, the post-war era under UsefulNotes/ClementAtlee which led to the rise of the [=NHS=] and other social works organizations was the glorious period. On a cultural level, nearly all English people long for such triumphs as the age of Elizabeth I and the English Renaissance, the Romantic movement and TheSixties.

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** For socialists and left-wingers, the post-war era under UsefulNotes/ClementAtlee Clement Atlee which led to the rise of the [=NHS=] and other social works organizations was the glorious period. On a cultural level, nearly all English people long for such triumphs as the age of Elizabeth I and the English Renaissance, the IndustrialRevolution and VictorianBritain, the Romantic movement and TheSixties.



* This sentiment was actually one of the motivations for Germans in the German Workers' Party following the country's defeat in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Hitler ended up becoming enamored with the groups belief, and after ascending the ranks, the [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Party]] would be formed.
** Most real-world fascist movements express this trope in their rhetoric, generally TheThemeParkVersion or with HistoricalHeroUpgrade / HistoricalVillainUpgrade.

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* This sentiment was actually one UsefulNotes/{{Germany}} is a little wary of the motivations national pride for understandable reasons but nonetheless some Germans do have a quiet and modest pride in their past:
** Consensually, such events as
the Protestant Reformation (which spread literacy and withered the power of the Catholic Church), [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker the Sturm-Und-Drang phase of the Enlightenment and Romantic era]] and the age of German Workers' Party classical music and opera is very much this. Likewise, UsefulNotes/TheWeimarRepublic is invoked for its progressive values, caberet culture, modernist literature and theatre, architecture and GermanExpressionism in film. Modern Germans celebrate the Economic Miracle of TheFifties, and the Reunification of Germany.
** The notion of GloryDays got soiled thanks to the selective interpretation of glory on the part of the NSDAP
following the country's defeat in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Hitler ended up becoming enamored with the groups belief, and after ascending the ranks, the [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Party]] would be formed.
** Most
formed. For them glory was a selective mishmash of Arminius victory over Augustus at the Teutoberg Forest, the era of UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat, Music/RichardWagner and UsefulNotes/OttoVonBismarck which has unfortunately tainted the fairly distinct and unrelated associations these events have with German culture. Then agian, most real-world fascist movements express this trope in their rhetoric, generally TheThemeParkVersion or with HistoricalHeroUpgrade / HistoricalVillainUpgrade.
19th Feb '16 4:30:14 AM JulianLapostat
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** African-Americans, pro-Reconstruction historians needless to say feel very differently about this time period. For them the Reconstruction, a brief ten year period where the Freedman's bureau and the US army enfranchised African-Americans and protected them from the Klan and Southern Democrats was this.
** For the Republican party and these days progressives (who vote independent or Democrat), the American Civil War is still invoked for the coalition of Radicals and Moderates who unleashed what historians call "the Second American Revolution". Moderate Republicans likewise lament the party of Lincoln's drift to the Right, nostalgic for the time when ''they'' were America's progressive left-wing party.
* Some see communist Russia as this (one aspect of WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell).

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** African-Americans, pro-Union and pro-Reconstruction historians needless to say feel very differently about this time period. For them them, the Reconstruction, a brief ten year period where the Freedman's bureau and the US army enfranchised African-Americans and protected them from the Klan and Southern Democrats was this.
** For the Republican party and these days progressives (who vote independent or Democrat), the American
Civil War is still invoked for the coalition of Radicals and Moderates who unleashed what historians call "the Second American Revolution". Revolution" that actually corrected the hypocrisy of the Founding Fathers and in Lincoln's words, "a new birth to freedom".
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Moderate Republicans likewise lament the party of Lincoln's drift to the Right, nostalgic for the time when ''they'' were America's progressive left-wing party.party. Non-partisan historians admit that this was the Republican Party's finest era when its radical-moderate coalition and two Presidents (Lincoln and Grant), expanded the Industrial Revolution across America, radically increased democratic rights and during Reconstruction, crushed the UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan before the end of Grant's tenure led to the enforcement of Jim Crow and the counter-revolution.
* TheGreatDepression and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, under the presidency of UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, was called the "Greatest Generation" by Tom Brokaw. This was a period when the US government heavily invested in public works across America, the last time leftist and radical politics were truly effective in the mainstream and where after the uncertainty of Depression, America ended up becoming the pre-eminent global superpower.

* Some see communist Russia as this (one aspect of WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell). In [[http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/03/the-future-did-not-work/378081/ the words of historian J. Arch Getty]]: ''For a surprising number of people today in the former Soviet Union, the terror does not wholly negate achievements such as universal literacy, one of the best technological-education systems in the world, the first man in space, free education and health care, and security in old age. ''



* UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire, which properly "began" with victory over Napoleon in 1815 and saw Great Britain as undisputed world superpower through the [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian Era]] and TheEdwardianEra, are often evoked as this for England. Natually the residents of ex-colonies, and some in the metropole consider the methods used to acquire and ''keep'' the Empire as [[OldShame nothing to brag about]] and are quite glad to see the back of it. But the English still long for the days when they, and not America, were the global superpower. [[note]]A frequent snarky comment heard today from Brits about America's competence as world policeman is that "the Yanks have got all the gear but no bloody idea"[[/note]] [=WW2=] and the desperate defence in 1940 leading to victory is often invoked as the shining superlative moment of British history - despite the fact 1945 saw the irreversible decline of Britain as world superpower.
* TheSixties is this for many people for the American and Russian space programs is a pretty good example.

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* For England, there are multiple contenders:
** Among nationalists and conservatives and liberal-centrists,
UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire, which properly "began" with victory over Napoleon in 1815 and saw Great Britain as undisputed world superpower through the [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian Era]] and TheEdwardianEra, are often evoked as this for England. Natually the residents of ex-colonies, and some in the metropole consider the methods used to acquire and ''keep'' the Empire as [[OldShame nothing to brag about]] and are quite glad to see the back of it. But the English still long for the days when they, and not America, were the global superpower. [[note]]A frequent snarky comment heard today from Brits about America's competence as world policeman is that "the Yanks have got all the gear but no bloody idea"[[/note]] [=WW2=] and the desperate defence in 1940 leading to victory is often invoked as the shining superlative moment of British history - despite the fact 1945 saw the irreversible decline of Britain as world superpower.[=WW2=].
** Likewise, the English consider UsefulNotes/WorldWarII their "finest hour" in UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill's phrase. For them mobilization against the Blitz before the United States and Russia got involved, even after France surrendered is the summit of English resolve.
** For socialists and left-wingers, the post-war era under UsefulNotes/ClementAtlee which led to the rise of the [=NHS=] and other social works organizations was the glorious period. On a cultural level, nearly all English people long for such triumphs as the age of Elizabeth I and the English Renaissance, the Romantic movement and TheSixties.
* UsefulNotes/{{France}} is fairly polarized on what they think of as glorious eras. Indeed the French longing for "la gloire" is often seen by critical Frenchmen as its FatalFlaw.
** The reign of UsefulNotes/LouisXIV is often invoked as the height of French hegemony across UsefulNotes/{{Europe}}, many associate his court with Creator/{{Moliere}}, versailles and several other artistic awakenings. UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte is likewise invoked for much the same reason, not least because he took France to its greatest territorial extent, won its most innovative military victories and essentially altered the map of the world.
** For the less imperial minded, UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution is this, though this era is still fairly controversial within France with the bicentennial celebrations in 1989 being fairly muted and divisive. Nonetheless, Frenchmen credit the ideals of the revolution for laying the foundation of the Republic and for establishing democracy, universal franchise, equal rights for minorities and inspiring every national revolution across the world. Frenchmen also celebrate later revolutions such as July Revolution, 1848 while communists, artists and radicals celebrate/mourn the 1871 Commune, and of course May '68.
** On a cultural level, touchstones include the reign of Francis I, the era of Cardinal Richelieu, UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment (which largely happened in France, though coinciding with a period of decline in French royal authority), Impressionism, Surrealism and Dadaism. Likewise, the Belle Epoque is often invoked with RoseTintedNarrative not only in France but by Americans and Englishmen as well.
* TheSixties is this for many people for nearly all First-World nations. For the American French this was the period of "Les trente glorieuses", post-war UsefulNotes/{{existentialism}} and Russian space programs the UsefulNotes/FrenchNewWave and Chanson. For the English, this was the era of BritishInvasion and the rise of working-class English culture into the mainstream. For the Americans, this decade is a pretty good example.marred by the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar but they nonetheless enjoy the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement, feminism, gay rights and the sexual revolution.
19th Feb '16 2:18:34 AM JulianLapostat
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** For the Republican party and these days progressives (who vote independent or Democrat), the American Civil War is still invoked for the coalition of Radicals and Moderates who unleashed what historians call "the Second American Revolution". Moderate Republicans likewise lament the "party of Lincoln's'' drift to the Right, nostalgic for the time when ''they'' were America's progressive left-wing party.

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** For the Republican party and these days progressives (who vote independent or Democrat), the American Civil War is still invoked for the coalition of Radicals and Moderates who unleashed what historians call "the Second American Revolution". Moderate Republicans likewise lament the "party party of Lincoln's'' Lincoln's drift to the Right, nostalgic for the time when ''they'' were America's progressive left-wing party.
19th Feb '16 2:17:42 AM JulianLapostat
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* The pre-UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar South for the Neo-Confederates who evoked the genteel Antebellum Era and its decline as "tragic". African-Americans needless to say feel very differently about this time period.

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* The pre-UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar South for the Neo-Confederates who evoked the genteel Antebellum Era and its decline as "tragic". African-Americans
** African-Americans, pro-Reconstruction historians
needless to say feel very differently about this time period.period. For them the Reconstruction, a brief ten year period where the Freedman's bureau and the US army enfranchised African-Americans and protected them from the Klan and Southern Democrats was this.
** For the Republican party and these days progressives (who vote independent or Democrat), the American Civil War is still invoked for the coalition of Radicals and Moderates who unleashed what historians call "the Second American Revolution". Moderate Republicans likewise lament the "party of Lincoln's'' drift to the Right, nostalgic for the time when ''they'' were America's progressive left-wing party.
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