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4th Jun '16 11:21:14 AM MarkLungo
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*** A particularly clueless stab at feminism is "The Monster of Peladon", where Alpha Centauri is inexplicably [[CharacterDerailment derailed]] into a StrawMisogynist just so Sarah can argue with it, despite it never having had any problems with Jo. Sarah later gets to introduce the Queen of Peladon to 'women's lib', explaining it's "when women don't let men tell them what to do", and apparently ''the Queen who is in charge of the planet and has lots of obedient subjects'' had never thought about that concept before.
*** In "Robot", Sarah gets to handle a huge chunk of the plot on her own, as she was still a familiar character after the Doctor's regeneration. Tied into her feminism when she is allowed to put a nerd in his place for wanting her to dress the way he likes, instead of the [[FashionDissonance admittedly hideous outfit]] she was wearing.
*** "Pyramids of Mars": Due to a feminist [[WriterOnBoard Director On Board]] who was adamant that Sarah was not allowed to be silly, Sarah ends up doing some rather out-of-character things like [[ActionGirl being a crack shot]], a skill there is ''no way'' she could ever have learned. Creator/ElisabethSladen wanted to play the scene as being a lucky shot, but the director refused.

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*** A particularly clueless stab at feminism is "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS9E2TheCurseOfPeladon The Monster of Peladon", Peladon]]", where Alpha Centauri is inexplicably [[CharacterDerailment derailed]] into a StrawMisogynist just so Sarah can argue with it, despite it never having had any problems with Jo. Sarah later gets to introduce the Queen of Peladon to 'women's lib', explaining it's "when women don't let men tell them what to do", and apparently ''the Queen who is in charge of the planet and has lots of obedient subjects'' had never thought about that concept before.
*** In "Robot", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E1Robot Robot]]", Sarah gets to handle a huge chunk of the plot on her own, as she was still a familiar character after the Doctor's regeneration. Tied into her feminism when she is allowed to put a nerd in his place for wanting her to dress the way he likes, instead of the [[FashionDissonance admittedly hideous outfit]] she was wearing.
*** "Pyramids "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E3PyramidsOfMars Pyramids of Mars": Mars]]": Due to a feminist [[WriterOnBoard Director On Board]] who was adamant that Sarah was not allowed to be silly, Sarah ends up doing some rather out-of-character things like [[ActionGirl being a crack shot]], a skill there is ''no way'' she could ever have learned. Creator/ElisabethSladen wanted to play the scene as being a lucky shot, but the director refused.
4th Jun '16 9:17:40 AM pinkdalek
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*** In "Robot", Sarah gets to handle a huge chunk of the plot on her own, as she was still a familiar character after the Doctor's regeneration. Tied into her feminism when she is allowed to put a nerd in his place for wanting her to dress the way he likes, instead of the [[FashionDissonance admittedly hideous outfit]] she was wearing.
4th Jun '16 9:11:16 AM pinkdalek
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** This especially affected "Pyramids of Mars" - the story itself treats Sarah Jane very respectfully, but due to a feminist [[WriterOnBoard Director On Board]] who was adamant that Sarah was not allowed to be silly, Sarah ends up doing some rather out-of-character things like [[ActionGirl being a crack shot]], a skill there is ''no way'' she could ever have learned. Creator/ElisabethSladen wanted to play the scene as being a lucky shot, but the director refused.
** The following female companion, Leela, was similarly intended to be a role model for young girls. Producer at the time Philip Hinchcliffe had a little girl living next door who was a fan of the show, and was upset when he asked her which character she identified with the most and said "the Doctor" rather than "Sarah Jane". This led to Hinchcliffe conceiving of Leela as a strong and intelligent ActionGirl who came from a gender-equal society, could stand up for herself and was sometimes shown even to be as clever as the Doctor. Contemporary criticism focused on her {{Stripperific}} outfit and accused her of being shallow ParentService akin to ''Series/TopOfThePops'' dancers, as well as on how violent her character was - which goes to show the sexism of the day, as Leela had a lot more to her than that. (Later criticism tended to suggest that the PygmalionPlot, the Doctor constantly putting down her intelligence and a StrangledByTheRedString departure were probably not the best ways to write a feminist icon.)

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** This especially affected *** A particularly clueless stab at feminism is "The Monster of Peladon", where Alpha Centauri is inexplicably [[CharacterDerailment derailed]] into a StrawMisogynist just so Sarah can argue with it, despite it never having had any problems with Jo. Sarah later gets to introduce the Queen of Peladon to 'women's lib', explaining it's "when women don't let men tell them what to do", and apparently ''the Queen who is in charge of the planet and has lots of obedient subjects'' had never thought about that concept before.
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"Pyramids of Mars" - the story itself treats Sarah Jane very respectfully, but due Mars": Due to a feminist [[WriterOnBoard Director On Board]] who was adamant that Sarah was not allowed to be silly, Sarah ends up doing some rather out-of-character things like [[ActionGirl being a crack shot]], a skill there is ''no way'' she could ever have learned. Creator/ElisabethSladen wanted to play the scene as being a lucky shot, but the director refused.
** The following female companion, Leela, was similarly intended to be a role model for young girls. Producer at the time Philip Hinchcliffe had a little girl living next door who was a fan of the show, and was upset when he asked her which character she identified with the most and said "the Doctor" rather than "Sarah Jane". This led to Hinchcliffe conceiving of Leela as a strong and intelligent ActionGirl who came from a gender-equal society, could stand up for herself and was sometimes shown even to be as clever as the Doctor. Contemporary criticism focused on her {{Stripperific}} outfit and accused her of being shallow ParentService akin to ''Series/TopOfThePops'' dancers, as well as on how violent her character was - which goes to show the sexism of the day, as Leela had a lot more to her than that. (Later criticism tended to suggest that the PygmalionPlot, the Doctor constantly putting down her intelligence and a StrangledByTheRedString departure were probably not the best ways to write a feminist icon.)) Leela also addressed the long-time ''Who'' problem of the female companions being the Doctor's subordinates for show structure reasons - though this was done by making her the Doctor's ''willing'' subordinate and student, rather than anything so wild as having them be equal.
30th May '16 4:55:00 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* TamoraPierce says that this is one of her primary reasons for writing. All of her protagonists are strong ActionGirl types in her ''Literature/TortallUniverse'', and she mercilessly defies the NotLikeOtherGirls trope by having, in her ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'' series, a seamstress as one of the main characters (among other deconstructions of the attitude). In- and out-of-universe, Kel in ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall'' is a role model for being thoroughly BadassNormal, inspiring girls to think they can also do great things without gods or magic to help.

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* TamoraPierce Creator/TamoraPierce says that this is one of her primary reasons for writing. All of her protagonists are strong ActionGirl types in her ''Literature/TortallUniverse'', and she mercilessly defies the NotLikeOtherGirls trope by having, in her ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'' series, a seamstress as one of the main characters (among other deconstructions of the attitude). In- and out-of-universe, Kel in ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall'' is a role model for being thoroughly BadassNormal, inspiring girls to think they can also do great things without gods or magic to help.
22nd Apr '16 8:45:34 AM Anddrix
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* A well-done aversion in ''Film/{{Divergent}}''. The protagonist Tris is an ActionGirl. But she still shows a lot of struggle early on, being unused to the Dauntless training. She has to properly buckle down and work hard to succeed. Even then, she's still prone to her own set of flaws and weaknesses. The films give her a few more Moments of Awesome that she didn't have in the books, but her CharacterDevelopment is still intact.
12th Apr '16 3:26:06 AM Anddrix
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* A well-done aversion in ''{{Literature/Divergent}}''. The protagonist Tris is an ActionGirl. But she still shows a lot of struggle early on, being unused to the Dauntless training. She has to properly buckle down and work hard to succeed. Even then, she's still prone to her own set of flaws and weaknesses. The films give her a few more Moments of Awesome that she didn't have in the books, but her CharacterDevelopment is still intact.

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* A well-done aversion in ''{{Literature/Divergent}}''.''Film/{{Divergent}}''. The protagonist Tris is an ActionGirl. But she still shows a lot of struggle early on, being unused to the Dauntless training. She has to properly buckle down and work hard to succeed. Even then, she's still prone to her own set of flaws and weaknesses. The films give her a few more Moments of Awesome that she didn't have in the books, but her CharacterDevelopment is still intact.
12th Apr '16 3:10:50 AM fearlessnikki
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** ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' is not open to the idea of an ArrangedMarriage, teaches a GreenAesop to her love interest, and manages to stop an entire war just by appealing to her father as a daughter. She also [[spoiler: chooses to stay with her people rather than going to England to be with John Smith]].



* The film adaptations of ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' take Hermione's role as this UpToEleven, apparently pinning the hopes of an entire generation of girls on Hermione Granger (blame Creator/SteveKloves). In the films (especially as they go on), Hermione is never anything less than superbly confident, [[WomenAreWiser coolheaded]], and perfectly suited to face ''any'' challenge, to the point where all of her flaws vanish -- as if by magic!

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* The film adaptations of ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' take Hermione's role as tend to do this UpToEleven, apparently pinning with Hermione, although some of it is a little [[NeverLiveItDown overblown by the hopes of an entire generation of girls on fandom]]. One such moment is a scene from the first book, where the boys are trapped by Devil's Snare. In the book, Hermione Granger (blame Creator/SteveKloves). freaks out and Ron has to yell some sense into her. In the films (especially film instead it's Ron who freaks out, and Hermione stays calm.[[note]]This is mostly due to compressing the amount of challenges the children face guarding the Philosopher's Stone. In the book, there are five. But the movie cuts it down to three. The remaining two challenges are reworked to give the other two a moment to shine as they go on), well - Harry using his flying skills to get the key, and Ron winning the chess game. With the logic puzzle in the book left out, this would have left Hermione without much. It's also worth noting that the movie does leave in Hermione nearly freaking out after Ron is hurt, and Harry has to stop her from ruining their chances.[[/note]]. The third film is notable in that Hermione is never anything less than superbly confident, [[WomenAreWiser coolheaded]], and perfectly suited given a few more action scenes she didn't have in the book. But this is lessened from the fifth film onwards; when the children are held captive by the Death Eaters, Ron struggles against his while Hermione does nothing. In the final films, Hermione is still prone to face ''any'' challenge, making mistakes along with the other two.
* A well-done aversion in ''{{Literature/Divergent}}''. The protagonist Tris is an ActionGirl. But she still shows a lot of struggle early on, being unused
to the point where all of Dauntless training. She has to properly buckle down and work hard to succeed. Even then, she's still prone to her own set of flaws vanish -- as if by magic! and weaknesses. The films give her a few more Moments of Awesome that she didn't have in the books, but her CharacterDevelopment is still intact.
8th Apr '16 12:43:28 AM Pichu-kun
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* The writers of ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' may well have had this trope in mind when they introduced Watson's girlfriend Sarah into the show, an intelligent doctor who helps crack the Chinese code and takes out a hitman with a plank of wood, to off-set the female characters of the first episode (a bitchy police officer, a ditzy morgue worker with a rather pathetic crush on Sherlock, and an aide to [[spoiler:Mycroft]] who barely looks up from her Blackberry). And of course, Adler is on her way... and she's sparking the same debate due to her portrayal in "Scandal in Belgravia."

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* ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'':
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The writers of ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' may well have had this trope in mind when they introduced Watson's girlfriend Sarah into the show, an intelligent doctor who helps crack the Chinese code and takes out a hitman with a plank of wood, to off-set the female characters of the first episode (a bitchy police officer, a ditzy morgue worker with a rather pathetic crush on Sherlock, and an aide to [[spoiler:Mycroft]] who barely looks up from her Blackberry). And of course, Adler is on her way... and she's sparking the same debate due to her portrayal in "Scandal in Belgravia."



** The TransAtlanticEquivalent ''Series/{{Elementary}}'' has this with Joan Watson (GenderFlipped John Watson played by Creator/LucyLiu), the foil to the erratic Sherlock.

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** * The TransAtlanticEquivalent of ''Sherlock'', ''Series/{{Elementary}}'' has this with Joan Watson (GenderFlipped John Watson played by Creator/LucyLiu), the foil to the erratic Sherlock.



* Creator/LaurenFaust has said this was a major reason behind the creation of the ''WesternAnimation/SuperBestFriendsForever'' shorts on the Franchise/DCNation block. The Black Lightning shorts focusing on his superpowered daughters, Thunder and Lightning, sprang from a similar mindset.
* 1980s British animation ''PigeonStreet'' portrayed the lives of ordinary people living on an urban street, with a good mix of age, race and sex. The character most people remember is Long-Distance Clara, the lorry driver with a ''kickass'' theme song.

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* Creator/LaurenFaust has said this was a major reason behind the creation of the ''WesternAnimation/SuperBestFriendsForever'' shorts on the Franchise/DCNation WesternAnimation/DCNation block. The Black Lightning shorts focusing on his superpowered daughters, Thunder and Lightning, sprang from a similar mindset.
* 1980s British animation ''PigeonStreet'' ''Pigeon Street'' portrayed the lives of ordinary people living on an urban street, with a good mix of age, race and sex. The character most people remember is Long-Distance Clara, the lorry driver with a ''kickass'' theme song.
8th Apr '16 12:40:17 AM Pichu-kun
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** [[http://talesoffaerie.blogspot.com/2010/06/mouse-under-glass.html With all the flack Disney gets for Cinderella, you'd be surprised to learn Walt actually hired a man to make the film more feminist.]] Or maybe not be surprised at all to learn that he didn't hire a ''woman''.

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** [[http://talesoffaerie.blogspot.com/2010/06/mouse-under-glass.html With all the flack flack]] Disney gets for Cinderella, ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'', you'd be surprised to learn Walt actually hired a man to make the film more feminist.]] feminist. Or maybe not be surprised at all to learn that he didn't hire a ''woman''.



** The main character of ''Disney/{{Mulan}}''. She took on the burden of going to war, was one of the best fighters, saved the day and the romance was underplayed. Not to mention, [[RealWomenDontWearDresses the only time she wore a fancy dress was a disaster and she never wore makeup]], either in the movie or the merchandise. Although this can be counted as a subversion as she started out as a demure farm girl and a ButtMonkey to everyone else in the army until she TookALevelInBadass. And the reason she joined the army in the first place is for a genuinely humane ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation and/or selfish]]) reason to protect her father or escape from her strict hometown life.
** In the marketing (some at least), she's been {{Chickifi|cation}}ed to the point that some of it describes her as "getting ready for the ball and waiting for her prince!" Even in terms of her eventual relationship with Shang, [[AmazonChaser it's her capability as a soldier, not her girlish traits, which attract him to her.]]

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** The main character of ''Disney/{{Mulan}}''. She took on the burden of going to war, was one of the best fighters, saved the day and the romance was underplayed. Not to mention, [[RealWomenDontWearDresses the only time she wore a fancy dress was a disaster and she never wore makeup]], either in the movie or the merchandise. Although this can be counted as a subversion as she started out as a demure farm girl and a ButtMonkey to everyone else in the army until she TookALevelInBadass. And the reason she joined the army in the first place is for a genuinely humane ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation and/or selfish]]) reason to protect her father or escape from her strict hometown life.
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life. In the marketing (some at least), she's been {{Chickifi|cation}}ed to the point that some of it describes her as "getting ready for the ball and waiting for her prince!" Even in terms of her eventual relationship with Shang, [[AmazonChaser it's her capability as a soldier, not her girlish traits, which attract him to her.]]



* On the first day of June, 2009, a female writer at Creator/{{NPR}} wrote [[http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/06/dear_pixar_from_all_the_girls.html this blog post]]. In it, she innocuously mused aloud that, since Creator/{{Pixar}} created so many memorable female characters in their films, it would be nice if, for a change, one of them was the ''lead'' rather than a supporting character. And while 2012's ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'' '''does''' have a female lead, she's a [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses princess]], and the writer wanted something more original upon hearing about it. Hilarity ensued. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20120515215911/http://blog.moviefone.com/2009/06/10/ask-pixar-to-make-a-movie-about-a-girl-why-thats-just-p-c-b/ This thankfully level-headed writer]] summarizes the "Pixar Needs Women" debacle very nicely.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'':
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On the first day of June, 2009, a female writer at Creator/{{NPR}} wrote [[http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/06/dear_pixar_from_all_the_girls.html this blog post]]. In it, she innocuously mused aloud that, since Creator/{{Pixar}} created so many memorable female characters in their films, it would be nice if, for a change, one of them was the ''lead'' rather than a supporting character. And while 2012's ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'' '''does''' have a female lead, she's a [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses princess]], and the writer wanted something more original upon hearing about it. Hilarity ensued. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20120515215911/http://blog.moviefone.com/2009/06/10/ask-pixar-to-make-a-movie-about-a-girl-why-thats-just-p-c-b/ This thankfully level-headed writer]] summarizes the "Pixar Needs Women" debacle very nicely.






* When Creator/LaurenFaust created ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' she did indeed intend for the series main cast to be appropriate role models to the shows young audience. However, her idea of creating good female role models wasn't to make each and every main female character ''flawless'', but rather to make each and every one of them ''different from the others'', thus pushing the message that there are many different ways to be a girl. Among the main cast is [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicRainbowDash a brash athlete]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicApplejack a strong-willed farmer]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle a smart magician/librarian]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicPinkiePie a fun-loving baker]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicFluttershy a shy and sweet animal raiser]], and [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicRarity a sassy but elegant tailor]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
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When Creator/LaurenFaust created ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' she did indeed intend for the series main cast to be appropriate role models to the shows young audience. However, her idea of creating good female role models wasn't to make each and every main female character ''flawless'', but rather to make each and every one of them ''different from the others'', thus pushing the message that there are many different ways to be a girl. Among the main cast is [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicRainbowDash a brash athlete]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicApplejack a strong-willed farmer]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle a smart magician/librarian]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicPinkiePie a fun-loving baker]], [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicFluttershy a shy and sweet animal raiser]], and [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicRarity a sassy but elegant tailor]].



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'', has Gretchen and Spinelli, the 'smartest' and 'toughest' girl in school respectively. While they excel in traditionally male fields (science and wrestling) this isn't made a big deal of. They are valuable, complex characters in their own right, and notably neither of them take on the 'Chick' role in the Five Man Band.
** In one episode their bus breaks down, and out of six main characters (4 of them male), it's the girls who fix it. As the top-rated comment stated:

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'', has Gretchen and Spinelli, the 'smartest' and 'toughest' girl in school respectively. While they excel in traditionally male fields (science and wrestling) this isn't made a big deal of. They are valuable, complex characters in their own right, and notably neither of them take on the 'Chick' role in the Five Man Band. \n** In one episode their bus breaks down, and out of six main characters (4 of them male), it's the girls who fix it. As the top-rated comment stated:



* Faust has said this was a major reason behind the creation of the ''SuperBestFriendsForever'' shorts on the DC Nation block. The Black Lightning shorts focusing on his superpowered daughters, Thunder and Lightning, sprang from a similar mindset.

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* Faust Creator/LaurenFaust has said this was a major reason behind the creation of the ''SuperBestFriendsForever'' ''WesternAnimation/SuperBestFriendsForever'' shorts on the DC Nation Franchise/DCNation block. The Black Lightning shorts focusing on his superpowered daughters, Thunder and Lightning, sprang from a similar mindset.
3rd Apr '16 2:39:03 PM Piromano80
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* ''Franchise/{{Naruto}}'' is an interesting case. Throughout the series, several characters who are mass murderers, serial killer wannabes, abusive to family members, and so on manage to become model citizens overnight through EpiphanyTherapy, and are accepted as close friends and forgiven by their victims. Furthermore, the ChildSoldiers environment and nature of chakra and ninjutsu (being [[spoiler: a weaponized form of ninshu, a way of connected one's spirit with everyone rather than physical and spiritual energies,]]) makes it difficult to anaylze how accurately one can relate to these characters. Although a real-life HeelFaceTurn takes ''years'' of therapy at ''best'', the fandom generally holds WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief here, including acceptance of the title character Naruto's refusal to give up on bringing his friend and rival Sasuke back to his senses despite taking the brunt of Sasuke's violence. [[spoiler: When lead female Sakura got together with Sasuke in the end after Sasuke's HeelFaceTurn, though, WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief went out the window for many social media bloggers, with some saying it was encouraging weomen to enter or stay in abusive relationships.]]

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* ''Franchise/{{Naruto}}'' is an interesting case. Throughout the series, several characters who are mass murderers, serial killer wannabes, abusive to family members, and so on manage to become model citizens overnight through EpiphanyTherapy, and are accepted as close friends and forgiven by their victims. Furthermore, the ChildSoldiers environment and nature of chakra and ninjutsu (being [[spoiler: a weaponized form of ninshu, a way of connected one's spirit with everyone rather than physical and spiritual energies,]]) makes it difficult to anaylze how accurately one can relate to these characters. Although a real-life HeelFaceTurn takes ''years'' of therapy at ''best'', the fandom generally holds WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief here, including acceptance of the title character Naruto's refusal to give up on bringing his friend and rival Sasuke back to his senses despite taking the brunt of Sasuke's violence. [[spoiler: When lead female Sakura got together with Sasuke in the end after Sasuke's HeelFaceTurn, though, WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief went out the window for many social media bloggers, with some saying it was encouraging weomen women to enter or stay in abusive relationships.]]
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