History Main / GermanicEfficiency

21st Jul '17 11:09:02 PM DanielCase
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*** Another innovation was [[StrategyVersusTactics the invention of the military 'operation']] and the concept of lower-level initiative as a way of working around the imperfect nature and relatively slow speed of intelligence-gathering and messaging in the 19th century. Since all commanding officers were trained in strategies, tactics, and leadership, Generals were able to explain to their subordinates what goals they were supposed to accomplish and trust that they would adapt to any unexpected changes and exploit opportunities without having to wait for a messenger to bring updated orders. While this worked well for the pre-telephone era, by the time of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI this approach was dated and caused far more problems than it solved because more often than not subordinates would use their freedom of action to act in the 'self-interest' (reduced casualties, greater glory) of their own formations rather than that of the entire force[[note]] Insubordination by the Germans' First Army during the Battle Of The Marne forced the German right flank (then due east of Paris) to retreat because instead of conducting a defense-in-depth as they'd been ordered to [[AttackAttackAttack they'd tried to counter-attack the Franco-British force that was attacking them.]] This forced the entire German army to pull back, eliminating their chance of taking Verdun that year[[/note]]. Passable operational plans being blown to hell by insubordination at crucial junctures crippled the German war effort and prevented the German army from accomplishing ''anything in particular'' against ''anyone''.

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*** Another innovation was [[StrategyVersusTactics the invention of the military 'operation']] and the concept of lower-level initiative as a way of working around the imperfect nature and relatively slow speed of intelligence-gathering and messaging in the 19th century. Since all commanding officers were trained in strategies, tactics, and leadership, Generals were able to explain to their subordinates what goals they were supposed to accomplish and trust that they would adapt to any unexpected changes and exploit opportunities without having to wait for a messenger to bring updated orders. While this worked well for the pre-telephone era, by the time of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI this approach was dated and [[HoistByTheirOwnPetard caused far more problems than it solved solved]] because more often than not subordinates would use their freedom of action to act in the 'self-interest' (reduced casualties, greater glory) of their own formations rather than that of the entire force[[note]] Insubordination by the Germans' First Army during the Battle Of The Marne forced the German right flank (then due east of Paris) to retreat because instead of conducting a defense-in-depth as they'd been ordered to [[AttackAttackAttack they'd tried to counter-attack the Franco-British force that was attacking them.]] This forced the entire German army to pull back, eliminating their chance of taking Verdun that year[[/note]]. Passable operational plans being blown to hell by insubordination at crucial junctures crippled the German war effort and prevented the German army from accomplishing ''anything in particular'' against ''anyone''.
16th Jul '17 4:41:23 PM Jhonny
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** And before Rheinmetall, there was Krupp. During its heyday, the company was the backbone of German heavy industry, renowned for the quality of its steel products (after [=WW2=] it was discovered that German steel plate for their tanks was roughly 20% better than British steel). That quality then in turn translated to everything else from artillery to shipbuilding (also mainly for the military). The company still exists as part of [=ThyssenKrupp=], one of the largest industrial conglomerates in the world.

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** And before Rheinmetall, there was Krupp. During its heyday, the company was the backbone of German heavy industry, renowned for the quality of its steel products (after [=WW2=] it was discovered that German steel plate for their tanks was roughly 20% better than British steel). That quality then in turn translated to everything else from artillery to shipbuilding (also mainly for the military). The company still exists as part of [=ThyssenKrupp=], one of the largest industrial conglomerates in the world. One of the bigger contracts for Krupp before the merger with Thyssen was to deliver part of the "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCityExperimental Inter City Experimental]]" which was the SuperPrototype for [[UsefulNotes/DeutscheBahn Deutsche Bundesbahn's]] [[UsefulNotes/HighSpeedRail Inter City Express]]. Incidentally one of the other involved companies was Thyssen.
16th Jul '17 9:36:10 AM nombretomado
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** The Mauser C96 "Broomhandle", the service pistol of Nationalist China and a favorite with both Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire in WW1. Its 7.63mm round was the most powerful in the world until the invention of the .357 Magnum, capable of completely piercing WW2-era steel helmets.
** The Luger P08, whose distinctive, sleek looks and usage by the German military in both world wars made it one of the most famous handguns in the world. Most notably, Nazi Germany's use of it throughout the 1930s until the end of WW2 made it ''the'' bad guy gun in postwar fiction. However, the Luger is notoriously finicky and complex, making it a rather impractical sidearm, although it functions wonderfully as a target pistol.

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** The Mauser C96 "Broomhandle", the service pistol of Nationalist China and a favorite with both Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire in WW1. Its 7.63mm round was the most powerful in the world until the invention of the .357 Magnum, capable of completely piercing WW2-era [=WW2=]-era steel helmets.
** The Luger P08, whose distinctive, sleek looks and usage by the German military in both world wars made it one of the most famous handguns in the world. Most notably, Nazi Germany's use of it throughout the 1930s until the end of WW2 [=WW2=] made it ''the'' bad guy gun in postwar fiction. However, the Luger is notoriously finicky and complex, making it a rather impractical sidearm, although it functions wonderfully as a target pistol.



* During WW2, engineers working in the aeronautic branch of the military (especially the armament designers) often joked that their superiors constantly wanted them to break the laws of physics, so ''some'' of their inventions might be slightly flawed.

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* During WW2, [=WW2=], engineers working in the aeronautic branch of the military (especially the armament designers) often joked that their superiors constantly wanted them to break the laws of physics, so ''some'' of their inventions might be slightly flawed.



** And before Rheinmetall, there was Krupp. During its heyday, the company was the backbone of German heavy industry, renowned for the quality of its steel products (after WW2 it was discovered that German steel plate for their tanks was roughly 20% better than British steel). That quality then in turn translated to everything else from artillery to shipbuilding (also mainly for the military). The company still exists as part of [=ThyssenKrupp=], one of the largest industrial conglomerates in the world.

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** And before Rheinmetall, there was Krupp. During its heyday, the company was the backbone of German heavy industry, renowned for the quality of its steel products (after WW2 [=WW2=] it was discovered that German steel plate for their tanks was roughly 20% better than British steel). That quality then in turn translated to everything else from artillery to shipbuilding (also mainly for the military). The company still exists as part of [=ThyssenKrupp=], one of the largest industrial conglomerates in the world.
5th Jul '17 1:07:05 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** Since Germany never really had extensive colonies and lost what little they had after just 30 years in World War I, it is one of the few major European countries that did not leave a lasting negative impression in Asia and Africa as an oppresive imperialist power. Which is part of the reason that one can still find numerous people with rather "naive" perceptions about the Nazi period.

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** Since Germany never really had extensive colonies and lost what little they had after just 30 years in World War I, it is one of the few major European countries that did not leave a lasting negative impression in Asia and Africa as an oppresive oppressive imperialist power. Which is part of the reason that one can still find numerous people with rather "naive" perceptions about the Nazi period.period.
*** Regarding Asia, Nationalist China was friendly with Germany from 1911 onwards. Notably, 1934 saw a team of German military advisors, lead by Alexander von Falkenhausen (who wasn't a Nazi) to bring German weapons and equipment to China and attempt to modernize the Chinese army. Although they were withdrawn in 1938 following Japanese pressure, Falkenhausen's suggestions helped China hold their ground against the Japanese for 8 years, though it was never enough to fully improve the Chinese army.
5th Jul '17 12:59:46 AM TheWildWestPyro
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*** The [=MP5=] submachine gun, which is popular among American {{SWAT Team}}s.
*** The [=MP7=] [=PDW=].

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*** The [=MP5=] submachine gun, which is popular among American {{SWAT Team}}s.
Team}}s and countless other special ops groups, as well as numerous police forces, militaries and government agencies worldwide.
*** The [=MP7=] [=PDW=].[=PDW=], also a favorite of many special forces teams.



*** The [=HK 417=] battle rifle.

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*** The [=HK 417=] [=HK417=] battle rifle. rifle, a 7.62mm variant of the [=HK416=] for designated marksmen. A lighter version, the [=M110A1=], won a contract in April 2016 to replace the U.S Army's [=M110=] SASS.



*** The USP, available in three calibres. The .45ACP version is what most Americans think of first and the 9mm is pretty widely used outside of the states.
** The Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".
** The Luger P08

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*** The USP, available in three calibres. The .45ACP 45 ACP version is what most Americans think of first and the 9mm 9x19mm is pretty widely used outside of the states.
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** The Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".
"Broomhandle", the service pistol of Nationalist China and a favorite with both Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire in WW1. Its 7.63mm round was the most powerful in the world until the invention of the .357 Magnum, capable of completely piercing WW2-era steel helmets.
** The Luger P08P08, whose distinctive, sleek looks and usage by the German military in both world wars made it one of the most famous handguns in the world. Most notably, Nazi Germany's use of it throughout the 1930s until the end of WW2 made it ''the'' bad guy gun in postwar fiction. However, the Luger is notoriously finicky and complex, making it a rather impractical sidearm, although it functions wonderfully as a target pistol.



*** UsefulNotes/WorldWarII made the Walther P-38 famous/infamous for its [[CoolGuns cool looks]] and for being the Nazi's pistol of choice.

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*** UsefulNotes/WorldWarII made the Walther P-38 P38 famous/infamous for its [[CoolGuns cool looks]] and for being the Nazi's pistol of choice. choice after its introduction in 1942 to replace the Luger.
15th Jun '17 9:35:26 PM bassmedic87
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** ''Film/TheRightStuff'', among other accounts, suggests that UsefulNotes/TheSpaceRace was really a contest between "our Germans and their Germans."

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** ''Film/TheRightStuff'', among other accounts, suggests that UsefulNotes/TheSpaceRace was really a contest between "our Germans and their Germans.""[[note]]In the film, the American government is reassured when one of the German scientists tells President Eisenhower, "Our Germans are better than their Germans."[[/note]]
21st May '17 11:52:54 AM nombretomado
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* VinceOffer's famous Shamwow commercial: "It's made by the Germans, you know the Germans always make good stuff."

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* VinceOffer's Creator/VinceOffer's famous Shamwow commercial: "It's made by the Germans, you know the Germans always make good stuff."
29th Apr '17 4:22:53 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* As for the ComicBook/RedSkull, the old Nazi bitter-ender himself embodies this, as he is basically a highly exaggerated {{expy}} of Hitler, which makes him idiosyncratic but very efficient and effective. In one storyline where he [[VillainWorld won]], we get to see what his utopia looks like: a high-tech Nazi police state where advanced science and engineering have taken man to the stars, the various mutants and supervillains of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are all kept strictly in check, and all subversives and saboteurs are quickly disposed of in a clean and orderly manner. It's got [[FascistsBedTime curfews]] and [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain apartheid]], but boy, do the trains run on time...
16th Apr '17 2:35:32 PM nombretomado
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** ''TheRightStuff'', among other accounts, suggests that TheSpaceRace was really a contest between "our Germans and their Germans."

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** ''TheRightStuff'', ''Film/TheRightStuff'', among other accounts, suggests that TheSpaceRace UsefulNotes/TheSpaceRace was really a contest between "our Germans and their Germans."
15th Apr '17 1:36:25 AM Psyclone
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* In a ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' arc, Hauptmann Deutschland manages to capture the ComicBook/RedSkull and his Skeleton Crew to place them on trial for War Crimes in Germany. As the Skull is led into the courtroom bound to a chair, the Hauptmann casually mentions that said chair also doubles as an electric chair and will be activated as soon as the court finds him guilty, addin "We Germans take pride in our efficiency". (Ironically -- or irritatingly, depending on one's point of view -- the entire ''operation'' is suspect from start to finish by German standards. Not only does Germany ''not'' make a habit of kidnapping suspected criminals off foreign soil for purposes of forcing them to stand trial in Germany, [[CriticalResearchFailure it has abolished the death penalty in 1949 in its constitution (article 102 of the Grundgesetz)]] -- [[ThoseWackyNazis the last regime that did]] managed to thoroughly discredit the concept.)

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* In a ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' arc, Hauptmann Deutschland manages to capture the ComicBook/RedSkull and his Skeleton Crew to place them on trial for War Crimes in Germany. As the Skull is led into the courtroom bound to a chair, the Hauptmann casually mentions that said chair also doubles as an electric chair and will be activated as soon as the court finds him guilty, addin adding "We Germans take pride in our efficiency". (Ironically -- or irritatingly, depending on one's point of view -- the entire ''operation'' is suspect from start to finish by German standards. Not only does Germany ''not'' make a habit of kidnapping suspected criminals off foreign soil for purposes of forcing them to stand trial in Germany, [[CriticalResearchFailure it has abolished the death penalty in 1949 in its constitution (article 102 of the Grundgesetz)]] -- [[ThoseWackyNazis the last regime that did]] managed to thoroughly discredit the concept.)
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