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12th Apr '17 4:55:15 AM Iowamutt23
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* Adolf Hitler is presented as this in ''Film/{{Downfall}}''. Hitler revokes control of his troops from his more experienced (and sane) commanders for perceived failures and increasingly tries to micromanage his units. He shows a weak grasp of tactics by declaring that battalions and divisions on the verge of being overrun [[LastStand will hold their ground and fight]] [[HonourBeforeReason no matter what]], and at times even grossly overestimating the fighting capacity of units which are so under-supplied and under-manned that they may as well not exist. Even the other members of his inner circle give each other nervous looks as he makes these costly decisions. After the last offensive ordered by his generals, Unternehmen Zitadelle/The Battle of Kursk of July 1943, failed and lead to a spectacular reversal which cost them the Ukraine and all the Reich's (experienced) Panzer forces, this became Truth in Television for the remainder of the war.

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* Adolf Hitler is presented as this in ''Film/{{Downfall}}''. Hitler revokes control of his troops from his more experienced (and sane) commanders for perceived failures and increasingly tries to micromanage his units. He shows a weak grasp of tactics by declaring that battalions and divisions on the verge of being overrun [[LastStand will hold their ground and fight]] [[HonourBeforeReason no matter what]], and at times even grossly overestimating the fighting capacity of units which are so under-supplied and under-manned that they may as well not exist. Even the other members of his inner circle give each other nervous looks as he makes these costly decisions. After the last offensive ordered by his generals, Unternehmen Zitadelle/The Battle of Kursk of July 1943, failed and lead to a spectacular reversal which cost them the Ukraine and all the Reich's (experienced) Panzer forces, this became Truth in Television for the remainder of the war.
31st Mar '17 10:04:27 AM marcoasalazarm
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** Same rank, different side, there is Colonel Crittendon. The man is LawfulStupid (on his first episode, the Heroes [[LockedOutOfTheLoop cut him off from their loop]] when he makes it clear that if he actually knew about their covert operations, ''he would give them up to the Nazis immediately'', because that is what the Geneva Convention is telling him to do), ''plain'' stupid (his "cunning plan" to covertly take out someone necessary to the German war effort involves a ''[[BigBulkyBomb massive]]'' [[StuffBlowingUp amount of explosives]]), a ''massive'' WalkingDisasterArea (he's a recurring character because every operation he's part of or plane he gets into is utterly obliterated, with only him the survivor), and TheNeidermeyer (pulling rank (and seniority) on Hogan every time he's on the Stalag and diverting necessary efforts into escape plans). The man can't even break out of jail - in his first appearance he mentions having made ''eleven attempts'' over the course of less than a year and having been caught every time.

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** Same rank, different side, there is Colonel Crittendon. The man is LawfulStupid (on his first episode, the Heroes [[LockedOutOfTheLoop cut him off from their loop]] when he makes it clear that if he actually knew about their covert operations, ''he would give them up to the Nazis immediately'', because that is what the Geneva Convention is telling him to do), ''plain'' stupid (his "cunning plan" to covertly take out someone necessary to the German war effort involves a ''[[BigBulkyBomb massive]]'' [[StuffBlowingUp amount of explosives]]), a ''massive'' WalkingDisasterArea (he's a recurring character because every operation he's part of or plane he gets into is utterly obliterated, with only him the survivor), and TheNeidermeyer (pulling rank (and seniority) on Hogan every time he's on the Stalag and diverting necessary efforts into escape plans). plans (because it's a sworn duty of soldiers to try to escape, otherwise he'd be fine with waiting)). The man can't even break out of jail - -- in his first appearance he mentions having made ''eleven attempts'' over the course of less than a year and having been caught every time.time (so Hogan is pretty concerned about his bungling putting his men on worse Stalag facilities, shot, or their operations exposed).
31st Mar '17 9:42:58 AM gb00393
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*** Robb Stark makes a few errors that ends with him being short on manpower which logistically dooms him and his attempts to recruit more men fail spectacularly at the Twins.

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*** ** Robb Stark makes a few errors that ends with him being short on manpower which logistically dooms him and his attempts to recruit more men fail spectacularly at the Twins.
31st Mar '17 9:42:31 AM gb00393
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*** Robb Stark makes a few errors that ends with him being short on manpower which logistically dooms him and his attempts to recruit more men fail spectacularly at the Twins.
25th Mar '17 1:48:59 PM WillBGood
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** Purposely [[AvertedTropes averted]] by the bizarre Helmacrons. To ensure that their leaders never fail, all are killed before being promoted to avoid having to execute them for making a mistake.

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** Purposely [[AvertedTropes [[AvertedTrope averted]] by the bizarre Helmacrons. To ensure that their leaders never fail, all are killed before being promoted to avoid having to execute them for making a mistake.
8th Mar '17 12:13:02 AM Lightning4119
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' toys with this trope with Loghain, who in the backstory ran a successful guerrilla campaign against an occupying army and forced them out. However, his grand plan for stopping TheHorde is a simple flanking maneuver that doesn't work on creatures that they're facing (who will never break and run, who have no regard for their own losses, and who can only be defeated entirely by killing their commander who hadn't even been sighted) and involves putting the king and all of their most valuable men on the front lines. However, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he doesn't ''know'']] [[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance any of this,]] which leads to the battle being a horrendous loss.

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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' toys with this trope with Loghain, who in the backstory ran a successful guerrilla campaign against an occupying army and forced them out. However, his grand plan for stopping TheHorde is a simple flanking maneuver that doesn't work on creatures that they're facing (who will never break and run, who have no regard for their own losses, and who can only be defeated entirely by killing their commander who hadn't even been sighted) and involves putting the king and all of their most valuable men on the front lines. However, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop ''[[LockedOutOfTheLoop he doesn't ''know'']] know]] [[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance any of this,]] this,]]'' which leads to the battle being a horrendous loss.loss and kicks off the main plot of the story.
8th Mar '17 12:11:58 AM Lightning4119
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' toys with this trope with Loghain, who in the backstory ran a successful guerrilla campaign against an occupying army and forced them out. However, his grand plan for stopping TheHorde is a simple flanking maneuver that doesn't work on creatures that they're facing (who will never break and run, who have no regard for their own losses, and who can only be defeated entirely by killing their commander who hadn't even been sighted) and involves putting the king and all of their most valuable men on the front lines. However, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he doesn't ''know'']] [[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance any of this,]] which leads to the battle being a horrendous loss.
8th Mar '17 12:04:23 AM Lightning4119
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** Same rank, different side, there is Colonel Crittendon. The man is LawfulStupid (on his first episode, the Heroes [[LockedOutOfTheLoop cut him off from their loop]] when he makes it clear that if he actually knew about their covert operations, ''he would give them up to the Nazis immediately'', because that is what the Geneva Convention is telling him to do), ''plain'' stupid (his "cunning plan" to covertly take out someone necessary to the German war effort involves a ''[[BigBulkyBomb massive]]'' [[StuffBlowingUp amount of explosives]]), a ''massive'' WalkingDisasterArea (he's a recurring character because every operation he's part of or plane he gets into is utterly obliterated, with only him the survivor), and TheNeidermeyer (pulling rank (and seniority) on Hogan every time he's on the Stalag and diverting necessary efforts into bungling escape plans).

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** Same rank, different side, there is Colonel Crittendon. The man is LawfulStupid (on his first episode, the Heroes [[LockedOutOfTheLoop cut him off from their loop]] when he makes it clear that if he actually knew about their covert operations, ''he would give them up to the Nazis immediately'', because that is what the Geneva Convention is telling him to do), ''plain'' stupid (his "cunning plan" to covertly take out someone necessary to the German war effort involves a ''[[BigBulkyBomb massive]]'' [[StuffBlowingUp amount of explosives]]), a ''massive'' WalkingDisasterArea (he's a recurring character because every operation he's part of or plane he gets into is utterly obliterated, with only him the survivor), and TheNeidermeyer (pulling rank (and seniority) on Hogan every time he's on the Stalag and diverting necessary efforts into bungling escape plans).plans). The man can't even break out of jail - in his first appearance he mentions having made ''eleven attempts'' over the course of less than a year and having been caught every time.



** Colonel Flagg. Not exactly a "villain," but a certainly an "antagonist" who always fails in his "intelligence" missions.
** General Steele attempts to be a frugal leader by ordering the hospital moved directly to the front lines (when they are already quite close) to cut down on fuel consumption. He's also [[InsaneAdmiral bat-shit crazy]], and it comes to a head when he attempts to have Hawkeye court-martialed for air-lifting a patient to Seoul when he wanted to use that chopper "to observe the moon", then starts singing and dancing in the middle of the trial.

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** Colonel Flagg. Not exactly a "villain," but a certainly an "antagonist" who always fails in his "intelligence" missions.
missions. His first appearance has him break his own arm so he can infiltrate the 4077th - a hospital unit with no intelligence issues to be found. He mentions later on that even ''he'' doesn't know what the truth is (so nobody can get it out of him), because he's so paranoid that he keeps himself in a state of total confusion.
** General Steele attempts to be a frugal leader by ordering the hospital moved directly to the front lines (when they are already quite close) close enough to get shelled by both sides) to cut down on fuel consumption. He's also [[InsaneAdmiral bat-shit crazy]], and it comes to a head when he attempts to have Hawkeye court-martialed for air-lifting a patient to Seoul when he wanted to use that chopper "to to observe the moon", unit's move, then starts singing and dancing in the middle of the trial. Notably, the other character Steele's actor played later in the show was the unit's CO and was very much ''not'' this trope.



* ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' has a rare good guy example in the reboot, in the form of General Flagg, who micromanages the operation via a teleconference while wearing a ''[[MildlyMilitary business suit]]''.

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* ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' has a rare good guy example in the reboot, in the form of General Flagg, who micromanages the operation via a teleconference while wearing a ''[[MildlyMilitary business suit]]''. His commands result in an easily-avoidable friendly fire incident.



** His successor, Father [=McNamara=] isn't much of an improvement, keeping the Brotherhood's bunker locked down after the aforementioned disastrous battle Elijah got them into. His rigid insistence on following outdated protocols mean that most of the Brotherhood's troops have never seen real combat, their numbers are dwindling with no new blood being brought in, and there are only a handful of Brotherhood members allowed outside. All but four of the members outside the bunker (three scouts and a black sheep member of the order that you can recruit as a companion) wind up dead by the time you find them. [[RealityEnsues His second-in-command recognizes these issues and wants to relieve him of command as a result.]]



** On the Imperial side of things, the Emperor is entirely too focused on [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy his bushido traditions and code]] and seems entirely unaware of how much his military success relies on his son, who is more supportive of the Empire's super-high-tech R&D division. The Emperor also gravely underestimates how treacherous the Allies and Soviets can be. However, unusually, he realizes how unsuited his methods are and eventually reconciles with his son, allowing the younger man to lead the Empire to victory.

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** On the Imperial side of things, the Emperor is entirely too focused on [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy his bushido traditions and code]] and seems entirely unaware of how much his military success relies on his son, who is more supportive of the Empire's super-high-tech R&D division. The Emperor also gravely underestimates how treacherous the Allies and Soviets can be. His biggest failure seems to be his inability to realize that breaking the military strength of the Allies and Soviets would be far more effective than trying to break their spirit by demolishing statues and cultural sites. However, unusually, he realizes how unsuited his methods are and eventually reconciles with his son, allowing the younger man to lead the Empire to victory.
7th Mar '17 1:15:36 AM KeithM
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** The effects of Manticore-Havenite War, and the two Havenite revolutions, had a secondary effect in that the rapid expansion of military forces involved (and subsequent losses) created openings for talented and combat-proven officers--such as Harrington herself--to rise to flag rank. The SLN's flag officers who didn't get their positions through outright nepotism or political maneuvering held their positions through accumulating sufficient seniority rather than any actual talent other than keeping their noses clean.

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** The effects of Manticore-Havenite War, and the two Havenite revolutions, had a secondary effect in that the rapid expansion of military forces involved (and subsequent losses) created openings for talented and combat-proven officers--such as Harrington herself--to rise to flag rank. The SLN's flag officers who didn't get their positions through outright nepotism or political maneuvering held their positions through accumulating sufficient seniority rather than any actual talent other than keeping their noses clean.
7th Mar '17 1:14:51 AM KeithM
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** The effects of Manticore-Havenite War, and the two Havenite revolutions, had a secondary effect in that the rapid expansion of military forces involved (and subsequent losses) created openings for talented and combat-proven officers--such as Harrington herself--to rise to flag rank. The SLN's flag officers who didn't get their positions through outright nepotism or political maneuvering held their positions through accumulating sufficient seniority rather than any actual talent other than keeping their noses clean.
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