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25th Aug '16 6:28:38 AM StFan
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* The Limper frequently clashes with Literature/BlackCompany in the series of the same name. He never wins, and ends each confrontation a little more disfigured than before, until he's finally just a head strapped to a wicker body.
* ''Literature/TheLostFleet''

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* ''Literature/TheBlackCompany'': The Limper frequently clashes with Literature/BlackCompany in the series of the same name.Black Company. He never wins, and ends each confrontation a little more disfigured than before, until he's finally just a head strapped to a wicker body.
* ''Literature/TheLostFleet'' ''Literature/TheLostFleet'':
24th Aug '16 2:24:38 AM thatmadork
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* Adolf Hitler is presented as this in ''Film/{{Downfall}}''. Hitler revokes control of his troops from his more experienced (and sane) commanders for perceived failures and increasingly tries to micromanage his units. He shows a weak grasp of tactics by declaring that battalions and divisions on the verge of being overrun [[LastStand will hold their ground and fight]] [[HonourBeforeReason no matter what]], and at times even grossly overestimating the fighting capacity of units which are so under-supplied and under-manned that they may as well not exist. Even the other members of his inner circle give each other nervous looks as he makes these costly decisions. After the last offensive ordered by his generals, Unternehmen Zitadelle/The Battle of Kursk of July 1943, failed and lead to a spectacular reversal which cost them the Ukraine and all the Reich's (experienced) Panzer forces, this became Truth in Television for the remainder of the war.
13th Aug '16 3:48:27 PM Dravencour
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[-[[caption-width-right:350:"That's Sir Eider [=McDuck=], who was felled during a Saxon siege in 946! His serfs deserted, because he only paid '''30 copper pieces''' per hour--for the '''lot''' of them!" [[labelnote:note]][[http://i.imgur.com/LlWtoQT.jpg "Do ye know what arrows COST in the 10th century?!"]][[/labelnote]]]]-]

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[-[[caption-width-right:350:"That's Sir Eider [=McDuck=], who was felled during a Saxon siege in 946! His serfs deserted, because he only paid '''30 [[TheScrooge paid]] '''[[TheScrooge 30 copper pieces''' pieces]]''' [[TheScrooge per hour--for the '''lot''' the]] '''[[TheScrooge lot]]''' [[TheScrooge of them!" them!]]" [[labelnote:note]][[http://i.imgur.com/LlWtoQT.jpg "Do ye know what arrows COST in the 10th century?!"]][[/labelnote]]]]-]
12th Aug '16 1:09:08 PM ironballs16
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** Another one of the enemies of Stronghold, Duc Truffle, "The Pig", is a less-notable example. While he has a love of combat and violence and is not at all cowardly, he's an incredibly dimwitted glutton and usually lets his commanders and the other Ducs do the thinking for him. What he does have is lots of money, lots of food, and a very well-fed, well-trained army that relies solely on brute force and numerical superiority to accomplish its objectives.

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** Another one of the enemies of Stronghold, Duc Truffle, "The Pig", is a less-notable example. While he has a love of combat and violence and is not at all cowardly, he's an incredibly dimwitted glutton and usually lets his commanders and the other Ducs do the thinking for him. What he does have is lots of money, lots of food, and a very well-fed, well-trained army that [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer relies solely on brute force and numerical superiority to accomplish its objectives.objectives]].
10th Aug '16 5:40:21 AM AgProv
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This trope does not happen too much in RealLife. Really incompetent officers usually never even graduate from the military academy: incompetent officers mostly don't tend to get promoted past Captain (Lieutenant in the Navy) level. Most real life officers appearing as General Failures are simply unlucky ones (and conversely many military 'geniuses' just got lucky and afterwards announced IMeantToDoThat). In the mid-19th Century there was (more room for) nepotism and military ranks and jobs had to be bought and were only available to people of the right class/social standing. But even in the 1850s there were limits to how much incompentence a military establishment would tolerate before you got demoted, some of the people dying under your command saw to it [[UnfriendlyFire you got hit by a stray bullet]], or you and your remaining troops were captured by a foe with more competent leaders. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgementapplies But there have been some truly notable exceptions]].

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This trope does not happen too much in RealLife. Really incompetent officers usually never even graduate from the military academy: incompetent officers mostly don't tend to get promoted past Captain (Lieutenant in the Navy) level. Most real life officers appearing as General Failures are simply unlucky ones (and conversely many military 'geniuses' just got lucky and afterwards announced IMeantToDoThat). In the mid-19th Century there was (more room for) nepotism and military ranks and jobs had to be bought and were only available to people of the right class/social standing. But even in the 1850s there were limits to how much incompentence a military establishment would tolerate before you got demoted, some of the people dying under your command saw to it [[UnfriendlyFire you got hit by a stray bullet]], or you and your remaining troops were captured by a foe with more competent leaders. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgementapplies [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement But there have been some truly notable exceptions]].
10th Aug '16 5:39:17 AM AgProv
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This trope does not happen as much in RealLife. Really incompetent officers usually never even graduate from the military academy: incompetent officers mostly don't tend to get promoted past Captain (Lieutenant in the Navy) level. Most real life officers appearing as General Failures are simply unlucky ones (and conversely many military 'geniuses' just got lucky and afterwards announced IMeantToDoThat). In the mid-19th Century there was (more room for) nepotism and military ranks and jobs had to be bought and were only available to people of the right class/social standing. But even in the 1850s there were limits to how much incompentence a military establishment would tolerate before you got demoted, some of the people dying under your command saw to it [[UnfriendlyFire you got hit by a stray bullet]], or you and your remaining troops were captured by a foe with more competent leaders.

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This trope does not happen as too much in RealLife. Really incompetent officers usually never even graduate from the military academy: incompetent officers mostly don't tend to get promoted past Captain (Lieutenant in the Navy) level. Most real life officers appearing as General Failures are simply unlucky ones (and conversely many military 'geniuses' just got lucky and afterwards announced IMeantToDoThat). In the mid-19th Century there was (more room for) nepotism and military ranks and jobs had to be bought and were only available to people of the right class/social standing. But even in the 1850s there were limits to how much incompentence a military establishment would tolerate before you got demoted, some of the people dying under your command saw to it [[UnfriendlyFire you got hit by a stray bullet]], or you and your remaining troops were captured by a foe with more competent leaders. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgementapplies But there have been some truly notable exceptions]].
7th Aug '16 4:27:33 PM Ripburger
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* Played pretty straight in ''VideoGame/XCom: UFO Defense.'' Having a GoodBadBug that reset the game to "easy" didn't help of course, but once you've flown to Cydonia and gunned your way through, the BigBad turns out to be a giant brain which supposedly controls the aliens, but does absolutely nothing in game terms. It will sit there doing nothing until you shoot it dead. The game also has a hidden script in UFO missions that have all aliens go on the offensive around turn 20. Knowing that, you can clear out all aliens outside the UFO and then place a firing squad in front of the entrance and wait for the aliens to rush out, throwing a smoke grenade for good measure to prevent the aliens from getting the first shot.

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* Played pretty straight in ''VideoGame/XCom: UFO Defense.''VideoGame/XComUFODefense.'' Having a GoodBadBug that reset the game to "easy" didn't help of course, but once you've flown to Cydonia and gunned your way through, the BigBad turns out to be a giant brain which supposedly controls the aliens, but does absolutely nothing in game terms. It will sit there doing nothing until you shoot it dead. The game also has a hidden script in UFO missions that have all aliens go on the offensive around turn 20. Knowing that, you can clear out all aliens outside the UFO and then place a firing squad in front of the entrance and wait for the aliens to rush out, throwing a smoke grenade for good measure to prevent the aliens from getting the first shot.
5th Aug '16 11:12:18 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The High Prophet of Regret from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' is a particularly good example of this, though some of this comes from him being continually outmatched by his colleague [[ManipulativeBastard the High Prophet of Truth]]. To a lesser degree, the Expanded Universe shows that the Prophets as a whole often tend to impede the operations of the Covenant due to their politicking, their tendency to meddle in military affairs, and their religious edicts discouraging intellectual and scientific curiosity. Hell, humanity would have never won if it hadn't been for [[spoiler:Truth's overly hasty last-minute betrayal of the Elites]].
* In ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'', Captain Del Rio is presented as one, with Cortana and the Master Chief repeatedly questioning his tactical decisions, starting even before they meet the guy. [[spoiler: When the Chief straight-up ignores Del Rio's orders right to his face, the entire bridge crew ignores their captain's orders to arrest him. As an added insult, when the ''Infinity'' makes it back to Earth he ends up being gulaged by Command (knowing [[StateSec ONI]], maybe literally) for picking a fight with a war hero and letting the Didact reach Earth.]]

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':
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The High Prophet of Regret from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' is a particularly good example of this, though some of this comes from him being continually outmatched by his colleague [[ManipulativeBastard the High Prophet of Truth]]. To a lesser degree, the Expanded Universe shows that the Prophets as a whole often tend to impede the operations of the Covenant due to their politicking, their tendency to meddle in military affairs, and their religious edicts discouraging intellectual and scientific curiosity. Hell, humanity would have never won if it hadn't been for [[spoiler:Truth's overly hasty last-minute betrayal of the Elites]].
* ** In ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'', Captain Del Rio is presented as one, with Cortana and the Master Chief repeatedly questioning his tactical decisions, starting even before they meet the guy. [[spoiler: When the Chief straight-up ignores Del Rio's orders right to his face, the entire bridge crew ignores their captain's orders to arrest him. As an added insult, when the ''Infinity'' makes it back to Earth he ends up being gulaged by Command (knowing [[StateSec ONI]], maybe literally) for picking a fight with a war hero and letting the Didact reach Earth.]]
27th Jul '16 6:22:41 PM SSJMagus
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*** Lord Djibril, the leader of Blue Cosmos in is rather infamous for this. He's admittedly not half bad at suckering other people to fight for him, but all of his war-winning schemes either blow up in his face spectacularly or are implied to succeed only because the true BigBad ''allowed'' them to. Luckily for his side his HypercompetentSidekick, Neo Roanoke was usually on hand to mitigate the worst of it. Unluckily for everyone else in series, Djibril's plans always failed, but they usually took thousands of people with them.
*** [[BigBadWannabe Yuna Roma Seiran]] was worse. An example of ArmchairMilitary at its worst, he managed to make Djibril (who at least managed to kill lots of his opponents) look brilliant by comparison.

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*** Lord Djibril, the leader of Blue Cosmos in is rather infamous for this. He's admittedly not half bad at suckering other people to fight for him, but all of his war-winning schemes either blow up in his face spectacularly or are implied to succeed only because the true BigBad ''allowed'' them to. Luckily for his side his HypercompetentSidekick, Neo Roanoke was usually on hand to mitigate the worst of it. [[spoiler:Until Neo recovered from his amnesia and realized he was on the wrong side.]] Unluckily for everyone else in series, Djibril's plans always failed, but they usually took thousands of people with them.
*** [[BigBadWannabe Yuna Roma Seiran]] was worse. An example of ArmchairMilitary at its worst, he managed to make Djibril (who at least managed to kill lots of his opponents) look brilliant by comparison. Virtually the ''only'' people Yuna managed to get killed were his own soldiers.



* Despite being an extremely good [[TheChessMaster Chess Master]] who out-gambitted the BigBad of the series several times, [[TheNecromancer Kabuto Yakushi]] of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has shown to be a General Failure throughout the WarArc. [[spoiler:Edo Tensei who should have ''steamrolled'' the opposition, such as Deidara or Sasori, are sacrificed extremely early on for stupid reasons and there isn't even a proper attempt in the manga to free Deidara after he's been captured. Sasori, despite being resurrected isn't even given his second scroll of puppets to fight with thus robbing him of his poison and his entire arsenal. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are sealed as well-given them their personalities was the worst choice that Kabuto could have done since they worked-as Kinkaku demonstrated, far better as pseudo-Jinchuriki berserkers. Nagato and Hanzo the Salamander, perhaps his second and third/fourth most powerful Edo Tensei are sealed-the former given a pathetic performance since Kabuto doesn't even give him his normal field of vision. And despite having ''four Kages'', he loses all four consecutively. The only times when he plays it smart are with Zabuza and Haku, as well as [[GreaterScopeVillain Madara Uchiha]] which actually scores some wins.]]

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* Despite being an extremely good [[TheChessMaster Chess Master]] who out-gambitted the BigBad of the series several times, [[TheNecromancer Kabuto Yakushi]] of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has shown to be a General Failure throughout the WarArc. [[spoiler:Edo Tensei who should have ''steamrolled'' the opposition, such as Deidara or Sasori, are sacrificed extremely early on for stupid reasons and there isn't even a proper attempt in the manga to free Deidara after he's been captured. Sasori, despite being resurrected isn't even given his second scroll of puppets to fight with thus robbing him of his poison and his entire arsenal. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are sealed as well-given them their personalities was the worst choice that Kabuto could have done since they worked-as Kinkaku demonstrated, far better as pseudo-Jinchuriki berserkers. Nagato and Hanzo the Salamander, perhaps his second and third/fourth most powerful Edo Tensei are sealed-the former given a pathetic performance since Kabuto doesn't even give him his normal field of vision. And Hanzo is foolishly set against the [[SamuraiInNinjaTown samurai leader Mifune]], one of the few people Hanzo recognized as a WorhtyOpponent in life...the problem being that Hanzo's skills have declined since their epic battle, while Mifune's have improved and his entire fighting style is the perfect counter to Hanzo. And despite having ''four Kages'', he loses all four consecutively. The only times when he plays it smart are with Zabuza and Haku, as well as [[GreaterScopeVillain Madara Uchiha]] which actually scores some wins.]]
21st Jul '16 11:12:22 PM SilentStranger
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** Gets even WORSE in ''ThePunisherMAX'', with the over-arching BiggerBad being a group of General Failure's who have ''never seen any real combat'', having ascendent through the ranks entirerly through mundane service. By the time the comic takes place, the Generals end up opposing Frank Castle for the sole purpose of saving their own asses from the massively bad decisions they've made throughout their careers. There's even a scene where Nick Fury whips the head general half to death with his belt for his stupdity during one military operation. The entire group is eventually slaughtered by Castle.
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