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15th May '16 5:23:45 AM SeaRover
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** And it's after this that the boys demand to know who else Konata and Misao are friends with, so that they can terrorize all of them too. The rest of those girls (besides Yutaka, who is being held hostage) currently have no idea that any of this is going on; why would they want to get them involved in this whole thing now and make more work and higher risk of arrest for themselves?

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** And it's after this that the boys demand to know who else Konata and Misao are friends with, so that they can terrorize all of them too. The rest of those girls (besides Yutaka, who is being held hostage) Yutaka) currently have no idea that any of this is going on; why would they want to get them involved in this whole thing now and make more work and higher risk of arrest for themselves?
15th May '16 4:55:02 AM SeaRover
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** Riku and Kenji [[ContrivedCoincidence just so happen to be camping next to Misao and her family]], when logically, they shouldn't be camping near ''anyone'' while abusing Konata. Misao spots them, strides over to say hi, and is subsequently raped and abducted. Those boys are lucky that her parents and brother somehow don't notice anything and either confront them or identify them for the police.

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** Riku and Kenji [[ContrivedCoincidence just so happen to be camping next to Misao and her family]], when logically, they shouldn't be camping near ''anyone'' while abusing Konata. (They ''do'' have Yutaka hostage, but that's only a deterrent; should she decide at any point to beg for help anyway, killing her still won't prevent any repercussions that might unfold.) Misao spots them, strides over to say hi, and is subsequently raped and abducted. Those boys are lucky that her parents and brother somehow don't notice anything and either confront them or identify them for the police.
10th May '16 7:00:09 AM Cintari
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** In the episode "Plateau", the villain Milo gained [[ThePlan super plan making powers]] by taking a drug. He orchestrated peoples' deaths by setting a pen on the ground and creating a chain reaction ending in a traffic accident. In the most recent episode its been revealed that the observers are crazy good at these, but that's justified by time travel or by the fact that time isn't even linear for them. They can see ''all points of time at once.''

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** In the episode "Plateau", the villain Milo gained [[ThePlan super plan making powers]] by taking a drug. He orchestrated peoples' deaths by setting a pen on the ground and creating a chain reaction ending in a traffic accident. In the most recent episode its been last season it was revealed that the observers are crazy good at these, but that's justified by time travel or by the fact that time isn't even linear for them. They can see ''all points of time at once.''
6th May '16 3:05:19 AM SeaRover
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** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that OutOfCharacter for her, but Tsukasa [[UnreliableNarrator seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines waiting for either of them to speak to her]], instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...

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** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that OutOfCharacter for her, but Tsukasa [[UnreliableNarrator [[ShowDontTell seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines waiting for either of them to speak to her]], instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...
6th May '16 3:03:54 AM SeaRover
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** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that OutOfCharacter for her, but Tsukasa [[UnreliableNarrator seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines ''waiting'' for either of them to speak to her]], instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...

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** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that OutOfCharacter for her, but Tsukasa [[UnreliableNarrator seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines ''waiting'' waiting for either of them to speak to her]], instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...
5th May '16 4:40:16 PM SeaRover
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** To start with, where does Satoshi get the notion that Miyuki would have security information pertaining to her father's shipping company, which is not part of her own personal life? Incidentally, she actually had overheard certain things from said father, Jiro, but how could Satoshi have predicted ''that''? (Let's also keep in mind that ''this'' is the reason Satoshi makes a point of isolating her and all her friends from one another and driving them to either suicide or hikikomori. Why didn't he just keep things simple and use some nude footage he secretly took of her to blackmail Jiro instead of her, and leave everyone else out of this whole thing?)
** The first thing he actually ''did'', though, was walking over to Minami's front lawn after dropping Miyuki off at her house, and poisoning her dog Cherry, in order to get all of Miyuki's other friends to gather there the next day, come over himself to "console" Minami, and get to know all of said friends. If Cherry was inside the house at that time, he'd probably just assume a different strategy instead, but there's even a one-shot DeconstructionFic where everyone logically and rightfully suspects him the culprit and tell him off. Worse yet, they could place him under citizen arrest and call the police once he arrives, to say nothing of Konata asking Yui to come along (provided she's actually available) to arrest him once he arrives.
** After everyone's done consoling Minami, Satoshi then catches up with Tsukasa and Kagami, and invites him to the urban part of Tokyo to meet his friend and cohort Riku Kitamaru. Having not suspected him of anything yet like she should have, Kagami has no reason to turn down any small talk, but what if she declined to commute with him?
** Touching someone's hair the first time you meet her? Butterflies in her stomach or none, that's a great way to risk creeping her way out, Riku!

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** To start with, where does Satoshi [[YouFailLogicForever get the notion that Miyuki would have security information pertaining to her father's shipping company, which is not part of her own personal life? life]]? [[ContrivedCoincidence Incidentally, she actually had overheard certain things things]] from said father, Jiro, but how could Satoshi have predicted ''that''? (Let's also keep in mind that ''this'' is the reason Satoshi makes a point of isolating her and all her friends from one another and driving them to either suicide or hikikomori. Why didn't he just keep things simple and use some nude footage he secretly took of her to blackmail Jiro instead of her, and leave everyone else out of this whole thing?)
** The first thing he actually ''did'', though, was walking over to Minami's front lawn after dropping Miyuki off at her house, and poisoning her dog dog, Cherry, in order to get all of Miyuki's other friends to gather there the next day, come over himself to "console" Minami, and get to know all of said friends. If Cherry was inside the house at that time, he'd probably just assume a different strategy instead, but there's even a one-shot DeconstructionFic where everyone logically and rightfully suspects him the culprit and tell him off. Worse yet, they could place him under citizen arrest and call the police once he arrives, to say nothing of Konata asking Yui to come along (provided she's actually available) to arrest him once he arrives.
** After everyone's done consoling Minami, Satoshi then catches up with Tsukasa and Kagami, and invites him them to the urban part of Tokyo to meet his friend and cohort Riku Kitamaru. Having not suspected him of anything yet like she should have, Kagami has no reason to turn down any small talk, but what if she declined to commute with him?
** Touching someone's hair the first time you meet her? Butterflies in her stomach or none, that's a great way to risk creeping her all the way out, Riku!



** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that out of character for her, but Tsukasa seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines ''waiting'' for either of them to speak to her, instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...
*** The lies that he tries to feed her get undone once by Minoru (whom she's dating at that time), and Kenji, whom she texted along with him to meet her to introduce to eachother, subsequently abducts Minoru to torture just for seeing her at all. What if Minoru didn't go anywhere conducive to said abduction? Also, Tsukasa lives with a loving family of six; if she believed Minoru about Kagami, then it's obvious that she and Kagami should be back on good terms, and any further attempts to brainwash her to suicide should not have panned out. They ''did'' have such a good time shopping together not much earlier on, and it's not like Kagami would snub her again after that.

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** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that out of character OutOfCharacter for her, but Tsukasa [[UnreliableNarrator seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines ''waiting'' for either of them to speak to her, her]], instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...
*** The lies that he tries to feed her get undone once by Minoru (whom she's dating at that time), and time). Kenji, whom she texted along with him to meet her to introduce to eachother, subsequently abducts Minoru after he and Tsukasa part to torture him just for seeing her at all. What if Minoru didn't go anywhere conducive to said abduction? Also, Tsukasa lives with a loving family of six; if she believed Minoru about Kagami, then it's obvious that she and Kagami should be back on good terms, and any further attempts to [[DrivenToSuicide brainwash her to suicide suicide]] should not have panned out. They ''did'' have such a good time shopping together not much earlier on, and it's not like Kagami would snub her again after that.



** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral). As if all it takes to a girl's pussy (and to avoid accountability for raping her friends) is to "be a nice guy". (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)
** Yes, nowhere like a crowded summer festival to stab someone (Konata) in the back to render her unconscious and abduct her, when it's more likely that she'll either die outright or scream in pain. That latter outcome is bound to draw attention to a knife-wielding thug like Kenji, but even that aside, one has to wonder why no one bats an eye at him carrying her limp body around instead of leaving it there and waiting for help to arrive (assuming they missed the part where he stabbed her in the first place).
** Riku and Kenji just so happen to be camping next to Misao and her family, when logically, they shouldn't be camping near ''anyone'' while abusing Konata. Misao spots them, strides over to say hi, and is subsequently raped and abducted. Those boys are lucky that her parents and brother somehow don't notice anything and either confront them or identify them for the police.

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** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral).funeral. As if all it takes to a girl's pussy (and to avoid accountability for raping her friends) is to "be a nice guy". (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)
** Yes, [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight nowhere like a crowded summer festival to stab someone (Konata) in the back back]] to [[AsLethalAsItNeedsToBe render her unconscious and abduct her, her]], when it's more likely that she'll either die outright or scream in pain. That latter outcome is bound to draw attention to a knife-wielding thug like Kenji, but even that aside, one has to wonder why no one bats an eye at him carrying her limp body around instead of leaving it there and waiting for help to arrive (assuming they missed the part where he stabbed her in the first place).
** Riku and Kenji [[ContrivedCoincidence just so happen to be camping next to Misao and her family, family]], when logically, they shouldn't be camping near ''anyone'' while abusing Konata. Misao spots them, strides over to say hi, and is subsequently raped and abducted. Those boys are lucky that her parents and brother somehow don't notice anything and either confront them or identify them for the police.



** Nanako dies in a collision courtesy of the boys severing her car's brake cables. Sure, just do that one thing and let nature take its course. As if we don't have things called seatbelts and air bags designed specifically to prevent anyone from dying in a car wreck. Had she survived, how would they know where she'd have ended up before she could call the police?

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** Nanako dies in a traffic collision courtesy of the boys severing her car's brake cables. Sure, just do that one thing and let nature take its course. As if we don't have things called seatbelts and air bags airbags designed specifically to prevent anyone from dying in a car wreck. Had she survived, how would they know where she'd have ended up before she could call the police?
5th May '16 2:45:47 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'', Kinzo's ability to use magic seems to rely on this.

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* In ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'', ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'', Kinzo's ability to use magic seems to rely on this.
5th May '16 7:22:56 AM SeaRover
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** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral). As if all it takes to a girl's pussy is to "be a nice guy". (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)

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** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral). As if all it takes to a girl's pussy (and to avoid accountability for raping her friends) is to "be a nice guy". (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)
5th May '16 7:12:47 AM SeaRover
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* There are so many factors that could have fallen the wrong way and doomed the yakuza's weapon shipment plans in ''Cries Unheard'' (a ''Anime/LuckyStar'' fanfic):
** To start with, where does Satoshi get the notion that Miyuki would have security information pertaining to her father's shipping company, which is not part of her own personal life? Incidentally, she actually had overheard certain things from said father, Jiro, but how could Satoshi have predicted ''that''? (Let's also keep in mind that ''this'' is the reason Satoshi makes a point of isolating her and all her friends from one another and driving them to either suicide or hikikomori. Why didn't he just keep things simple and use some nude footage he secretly took of her to blackmail Jiro instead of her, and leave everyone else out of this whole thing?)
** The first thing he actually ''did'', though, was walking over to Minami's front lawn after dropping Miyuki off at her house, and poisoning her dog Cherry, in order to get all of Miyuki's other friends to gather there the next day, come over himself to "console" Minami, and get to know all of said friends. If Cherry was inside the house at that time, he'd probably just assume a different strategy instead, but there's even a one-shot DeconstructionFic where everyone logically and rightfully suspects him the culprit and tell him off. Worse yet, they could place him under citizen arrest and call the police once he arrives, to say nothing of Konata asking Yui to come along (provided she's actually available) to arrest him once he arrives.
** After everyone's done consoling Minami, Satoshi then catches up with Tsukasa and Kagami, and invites him to the urban part of Tokyo to meet his friend and cohort Riku Kitamaru. Having not suspected him of anything yet like she should have, Kagami has no reason to turn down any small talk, but what if she declined to commute with him?
** Touching someone's hair the first time you meet her? Butterflies in her stomach or none, that's a great way to risk creeping her way out, Riku!
** To begin with, what if Kagami decided that she just wasn't into Riku, or if Konata decided she wasn't into Kenji?
** Part of Kenji's role in things is to keep Tsukasa and Kagami on some questionable terms, by feeding Tsukasa's illogical suspicion that Kagami has betrayed her in favor of her new boyfriend. To begin with, said suspicion started when it was narrated during Kagami and Satoshi's small talk that Kagami "ignored" Tsukasa the whole time. Not only is that out of character for her, but Tsukasa seemed like she was just standing on the sidelines ''waiting'' for either of them to speak to her, instead of actually contributing to their conversation like she does in canon. Also, how does it not occur to her that Kagami ''does'' have her own life as well, instead of existing entirely for her sake? But, now that that's already unfolded...
*** The lies that he tries to feed her get undone once by Minoru (whom she's dating at that time), and Kenji, whom she texted along with him to meet her to introduce to eachother, subsequently abducts Minoru to torture just for seeing her at all. What if Minoru didn't go anywhere conducive to said abduction? Also, Tsukasa lives with a loving family of six; if she believed Minoru about Kagami, then it's obvious that she and Kagami should be back on good terms, and any further attempts to brainwash her to suicide should not have panned out. They ''did'' have such a good time shopping together not much earlier on, and it's not like Kagami would snub her again after that.
*** Not to mention the obvious risk of Minoru reporting what he did to him to the police. (For that matter, ''anyone'' could, no matter what you do short of just killing them to "ensure" that they don't. Especially Misao later on; more on her in a bit.)
** Also, charming as Riku may be, what if Kagami actually did suspect she was being stalked?
** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral). As if all it takes to a girl's pussy is to "be a nice guy". (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)
** Yes, nowhere like a crowded summer festival to stab someone (Konata) in the back to render her unconscious and abduct her, when it's more likely that she'll either die outright or scream in pain. That latter outcome is bound to draw attention to a knife-wielding thug like Kenji, but even that aside, one has to wonder why no one bats an eye at him carrying her limp body around instead of leaving it there and waiting for help to arrive (assuming they missed the part where he stabbed her in the first place).
** Riku and Kenji just so happen to be camping next to Misao and her family, when logically, they shouldn't be camping near ''anyone'' while abusing Konata. Misao spots them, strides over to say hi, and is subsequently raped and abducted. Those boys are lucky that her parents and brother somehow don't notice anything and either confront them or identify them for the police.
** And it's after this that the boys demand to know who else Konata and Misao are friends with, so that they can terrorize all of them too. The rest of those girls (besides Yutaka, who is being held hostage) currently have no idea that any of this is going on; why would they want to get them involved in this whole thing now and make more work and higher risk of arrest for themselves?
** Nanako dies in a collision courtesy of the boys severing her car's brake cables. Sure, just do that one thing and let nature take its course. As if we don't have things called seatbelts and air bags designed specifically to prevent anyone from dying in a car wreck. Had she survived, how would they know where she'd have ended up before she could call the police?
*** And this fic hasn't even been updated since November 2014, so there are plenty of more variables to account for that would all have to unfold just the right way if those boys were to survive (which they don't) ''and'' have their arms deal go through (which still has yet to be stopped).
3rd May '16 3:50:34 AM SeaRover
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