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* ''Manga/DeathNote'' is filled with these.[[note]]At one time, this trope was called the Light Yagami Gambit.[[/note]] The most impressive is the plan that [[WhamEpisode changes the course of the entire series]] -- Light arranging [[spoiler: L's death]] while coming off completely above suspicion. This involves an extended MemoryGambit, at the end of which every element needed to be exactly in the place they were in order to work. Such utterly unpredictable elements include: a cop Light didn't know prior to the MemoryGambit missing when he shot at the temporary owner of the Death Note and Light killing Higuchi while holding the Death Note, so that he could reclaim ownership of it and make the memory restoration permanent. Note that he was ''handcuffed to L'' at that point. Had the bullet been just an inch to the left, Higuchi would've died too soon and whoever picked up the Death Note first (most likely the cop who shot him) would become its official owner and Light would have had to kill ''him'' to ensure that he didn't lose his memories for good.
--> [[MemeticMutation "Exactly as planned"]]



* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': The plot of the Golden Age Arc relies on a certain series of events that would be otherwise meaningless without each other. [[spoiler: Griffth's fall from grace, for instance, requires four things to happen in sequence or it's for nothing.]] Justified by events being orchestrated by [[spoiler: an EldritchAbomination]].
** Griffith's plan to capture Doldrey involves a legitimate BatmanGambit, but it also works flawlessly in spite of a factor that Griffith apparently left up to chance but would have ruined everything if it hadn't gone his way. [[spoiler:After Griffith lures Gennon's forces away from the castle, Casca and her group simply ride in through the castle's front gate which has been left wide open despite a battle being in progress. While this stroke of luck was caused by the idiocy of whoever was in charge of the castle's defense ([[ClingyComedyVillain Adon Corbowitz]], we're looking at you), Griffith did not even know that this would happen and was not shown to have had a plan for Casca getting past the gate if it had been closed. It could not have been because he knew from spies or other sources that Adon had an ill-conceived plan to let the attackers in and ambush them, because the ambush came as a complete surprise to Casca, who surely would have been told by Griffith if he had known.]] The anime version has this flaw in Griffith's plan as well. The film adaptation fixes this by Griffith having an actual plan to [[spoiler:get Casca inside, by having her group [[DressingAsTheEnemy disguised in the armor of Adon's Blue Whale Knights]] and using Adon--who they captured in the woods in this version--as a TrojanHorse so that the defenders would let them in.]]



* Yuuko of ''Manga/XxxHOLiC'' and ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' seems to be aware of all "effects" to all "costs" via Wishes and manipulates them together to affect the future in ways mere mortals can't possibly predict. Yuuko's one limitation is that only other people can initiate Wishes, and she has to be a LiteralGenie to get the result she wants. Things get complicated when the villain of ''Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle'' uses his ability to see the future through dreams to manipulate fate this way too, often with the ''same'' costs and effects. There are other dreamseers in the series pulling strings as well, but most of them are allied with either Yuuko or Fei Wong and incorporated into their plans. Also, every member of the initial party is somehow working for Yuuko or Fei Wong. All of them had been previously manipulated by the two [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] into the circumstances which led them to Yuuko's shop. Only one of them knows which side he's playing for from the beginning, but even his memories were changed to better serve the BigBad. Topping it off, everything both of them planned was secretly part of Clow Reed's plan, which also incorporated the entire plot of ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''. Clow has been dead for centuries.
* ''Anime/YuGiOh''
** Dartz, TheLeader of the Doma Organization, used this to recruit his followers; except for Mai, Haga, and Ryuzaki, all of his servants' past troubles that eventually lead to their joining the Organization were orchestrated by Dartz himself just so he could inflict a rage against humanity in them and use MoreThanMindControl to cajole them into signing up.
** Later on, Yami Bakura's master plan comes up, which [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries took over 200 bloody episodes]] to come to fruition.
** Furthermore, in every duel in the series, the opposing duelist is always thought to be a {{Chessmaster}}, no matter how competent (or not) the duelist actually is. TheMagicPokerEquation is responsible by no small measure. Yugi's duel against the mind-controlled Strings is a good example. While Marik's "Five God Combo" was lethal when Strings pulled it off, there were ''dozens'' of things that could have gone wrong.
* Yubel, Judai's StalkerWithACrush from ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' gives a prime example of this trope. During Season 3 of the show, she completes and executes one of the most intricate and chancy plans of the genre by manipulating everyone and everything with mind-control, possession and, [[SeriousBusiness most unthinkably]], losing a match on purpose.
* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'': Each villain appeared (and sometimes believed himself/herself) to be the BigBad, only for it to turn out that another, higher villain had orchestrated everything from behind the scenes. It all leads to one final BigBad, [[HijackedByGanon [=MaloMyotismon=]]], having used people to use other people to use still others, with no one DiscOneFinalBoss aware of the next one's influence. The aspect of this that most ''blatantly'' puts the lie into "I totally planned all that" was Arukenimon, the one villain who ''did'' know she wasn't the top dog: her arc was about her plan to destroy seven {{Cosmic Keystone}}s and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, which would have made it impossible for her boss to get what it turns out he wanted (and leaving him ''dead.'') [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Somehow it's doubtful]] that this is what he had in mind, and the same goes for [[ManBehindTheMan his boss]], the aforementioned [=MaloMyotismon=], who wanted the world(s) intact and accordingly [[TakeOverTheWorld conquerable]].
* In the anime and manga ''Manga/{{Spiral}}: Suiri no Kizuna'', the ability to ravel and unravel {{Plan}}s and Roulettes is, although it's not stated quite so baldly, a superpower many characters possess. Most of them assert that everything in the plot is a giant Roulette planned by the protagonist's older brother.
* In an episode of ''Anime/GalaxyAngel'', one (fake) debt leads to the faking of a kidnapping plot by Ranpha and Mint - which leads to another fake kidnapping plot by Volcott - which leads to ''another'' fake kidnapping plot by his commander - which leads to that victim's family landing ''another'' fake plot - which somehow results in some random little girl and bear faking one... Which results in the original perpetrator falling ploy to the plot, leading him to increase the random on ''his'' plot. The story ends on an infinite loop.

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* Yuuko of ''Manga/XxxHOLiC'' and ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' seems to be aware of all "effects" to all "costs" via Wishes and manipulates them together to affect Near the future in ways mere mortals can't possibly predict. Yuuko's one limitation is that only other people can initiate Wishes, and she has to be a LiteralGenie to get the result she wants. Things get complicated when the villain of ''Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle'' uses his ability to see the future through dreams to manipulate fate this way too, often with the ''same'' costs and effects. There are other dreamseers in the series pulling strings as well, but most of them are allied with either Yuuko or Fei Wong and incorporated into their plans. Also, every member end of the initial party is somehow working for Yuuko or Fei Wong. All of them ''VideoGame/BlueDragon'' anime, Zola reveals that she had been previously manipulated by managed to use events since she was a child to ensure that she could release darkness upon the two [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] into the circumstances which led them world, managing to Yuuko's shop. Only one find all seven Soldiers of them knows which side he's playing for from the beginning, but even his memories were changed Light required to better serve the BigBad. Topping it off, everything both of them planned was secretly part of Clow Reed's plan, which also incorporated the entire plot of ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''. Clow has been dead for centuries.
* ''Anime/YuGiOh''
** Dartz, TheLeader of the Doma Organization, used this to
free it, recruit his followers; except for Mai, Haga, and Ryuzaki, all five of his servants' past troubles them, kill off Nene so that eventually lead to their joining the Organization were orchestrated by Dartz himself just so he could inflict a rage against humanity in them and use MoreThanMindControl to cajole them into signing up.
** Later on, Yami Bakura's master plan comes up, which [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries took over 200 bloody episodes]] to come to fruition.
** Furthermore, in every duel in the series, the opposing duelist is always thought to be a {{Chessmaster}}, no matter how competent (or not) the duelist actually is. TheMagicPokerEquation is responsible by no small measure. Yugi's duel against the mind-controlled Strings is a good example. While Marik's "Five God Combo" was lethal when Strings pulled it off, there were ''dozens'' of things that could have gone wrong.
* Yubel, Judai's StalkerWithACrush from ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' gives a prime example of this trope. During Season 3 of the show, she completes and executes one of the most intricate and chancy plans of the genre by manipulating everyone and everything with mind-control, possession and, [[SeriousBusiness most unthinkably]], losing a match on purpose.
* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'': Each villain appeared (and sometimes believed himself/herself) to be the BigBad, only for it to turn out that another, higher villain had orchestrated everything from behind the scenes. It all leads to one final BigBad, [[HijackedByGanon [=MaloMyotismon=]]], having used people to use other people to use still others, with no one DiscOneFinalBoss aware of the next one's influence. The aspect of this that most ''blatantly'' puts the lie into "I totally planned all that" was Arukenimon, the one villain who ''did'' know she wasn't the top dog: her arc was about her plan to destroy seven {{Cosmic Keystone}}s and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, which
Deathroy would have made it impossible for choose a weaker partner in Delphinium who couldn't oppose her boss to get what it turns out he wanted (and leaving him ''dead.'') [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Somehow it's doubtful]] that this is what he had in mind, alone, and lure both Delphinium and Logi, the same goes for [[ManBehindTheMan his boss]], the aforementioned [=MaloMyotismon=], who wanted the world(s) intact and accordingly [[TakeOverTheWorld conquerable]].
* In the anime and manga ''Manga/{{Spiral}}: Suiri no Kizuna'', the ability to ravel and unravel {{Plan}}s and Roulettes is, although it's not stated quite so baldly, a superpower many characters possess. Most of them assert that everything in the plot is a giant Roulette planned by the protagonist's older brother.
* In an episode of ''Anime/GalaxyAngel'', one (fake) debt leads
last Soldier, to the faking of a kidnapping plot by Ranpha and Mint - which leads to another fake kidnapping plot by Volcott - which leads to ''another'' fake kidnapping plot by his commander - which leads to that victim's family landing ''another'' fake plot - which somehow results in some random little girl and bear faking one... Which results in Sealed Grounds, unleashing the original perpetrator falling ploy to darkness. She almost succeeded in consuming the plot, leading him to increase the random on ''his'' plot. The story ends on an infinite loop.world as a result too.



* ''LightNovel/KyoKaraMaoh'': Shinou and Daikenja/Ken Murata had a Roulette in play for ''four thousand years'' aimed at defeating the Soushou.

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* ''LightNovel/KyoKaraMaoh'': Shinou Justified in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack''. The reason Amber's plans are always so ridiculously convoluted is because she can control time. It's implied that she's had to live through the same events many, ''many'' times to get everything to work correctly.
* ''Manga/DeathNote'' is filled with these.[[note]]At one time, this trope was called the Light Yagami Gambit.[[/note]] The most impressive is the plan that [[WhamEpisode changes the course of the entire series]] -- Light arranging [[spoiler: L's death]] while coming off completely above suspicion. This involves an extended MemoryGambit, at the end of which every element needed to be exactly in the place they were in order to work. Such utterly unpredictable elements include: a cop Light didn't know prior to the MemoryGambit missing when he shot at the temporary owner of the Death Note
and Daikenja/Ken Murata Light killing Higuchi while holding the Death Note, so that he could reclaim ownership of it and make the memory restoration permanent. Note that he was ''handcuffed to L'' at that point. Had the bullet been just an inch to the left, Higuchi would've died too soon and whoever picked up the Death Note first (most likely the cop who shot him) would become its official owner and Light would have had to kill ''him'' to ensure that he didn't lose his memories for good.
--> [[MemeticMutation "Exactly as planned"]]
* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' once figured out a case just in time by subverting this trope. He had several suspects as to who was unknowingly given a bomb, narrowing them down by whether they had something that could hide a bomb and an electronic device that could set it off. He eventually deduced the only person it could be was [[spoiler: the woman with the cell phone]], as all other people's devices were unpredictable and accidentally pressing a button could set the bomb off too early.
* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'': Each villain appeared (and sometimes believed himself/herself) to be the BigBad, only for it to turn out that another, higher villain had orchestrated everything from behind the scenes. It all leads to one final BigBad, [[HijackedByGanon [=MaloMyotismon=]]], having used people to use other people to use still others, with no one DiscOneFinalBoss aware of the next one's influence. The aspect of this that most ''blatantly'' puts the lie into "I totally planned all that" was Arukenimon, the one villain who ''did'' know she wasn't the top dog: her arc was about her plan to destroy seven {{Cosmic Keystone}}s and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, which would have made it impossible for her boss to get what it turns out he wanted (and leaving him ''dead.'') [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Somehow it's doubtful]] that this is what he had in mind, and the same goes for [[ManBehindTheMan his boss]], the aforementioned [=MaloMyotismon=], who wanted the world(s) intact and accordingly [[TakeOverTheWorld conquerable]].
* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once
had a Roulette "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in play for ''four thousand years'' aimed at defeating the Soushou.middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters that Hiruma actually knows the odds of all his gambits and only use the sink or swim ones against teams way above his rookie team's level since they already needed a miracle to win anyway so might as well plan one. It's even referred as a SignatureMove by the end of the series: Hiruma's Demon Magic.



* In an episode of ''Anime/GalaxyAngel'', one (fake) debt leads to the faking of a kidnapping plot by Ranpha and Mint - which leads to another fake kidnapping plot by Volcott - which leads to ''another'' fake kidnapping plot by his commander - which leads to that victim's family landing ''another'' fake plot - which somehow results in some random little girl and bear faking one... Which results in the original perpetrator falling ploy to the plot, leading him to increase the random on ''his'' plot. The story ends on an infinite loop.



* The events of the first season of ''Anime/{{K}}'' were a plan of this sort from the Green King. Really, being the King of Chaos, he might not have cared ''what'' happened - his main goal was [[spoiler: drawing the Silver King out from hiding]] - but he seems to have put enough faith in the Silver King to know that he would come out on top after all of this - and considering that the Silver King has been ''alone in an airship with no contact with anyone for seventy years'', and that he does [[NighInvulnerable nearly]] get himself killed in solving it, that is a lot of faith to put in him.



* In ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'', Blue's K-O'ed while Sabrina battles Lorelei, then wakes up, [[EvilGloating tells Lorelei her entire plan up until that point]], then ''reveals'' that it was her "victory strut" and sends Clefable to grab the ice dolls. She then allows them to become broken, apparently ''taking her lower arm off'' in order to free Sabrina from the spell shackling them together... only that was never her arm in the first place, but rather her Ditto; she'd been expecting some sort of trick and this was her reason for putting her jacket on when she'd first arrived on Cerise Island. [[FridgeLogic If that were true, one wonders why she went through all of the trouble of being "dead weight" in the first place, since]] she and Sabrina were apparently never ''actually'' shackled together... Oh, yes, did we mention that she's supposed to be [[GuileHero the ''good'' guy?]] Sabrina [[WhatTheHellHero calls her on this]]... and boy, is she pissed, [[LampshadeHanging having noted]] that same FridgeLogic. Blue nervously justifies it saying she had to make it look convincing to Lorelei or she'd lose the element of surprise that ultimately did Lorelei in.
* In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' episode "The Stolen Stones", Team Rocket devised a plot to steal Fire Stones involving a [[NoodleImplements rocket ship, a tandem bicycle that splits into two unicycles, a battlefield, three pitfalls (including one placed in the center of the battlefield), and two bags of fake stones]], and Jessie even lost a battle on purpose in order to pull off the plan without a hitch.
* In ''Manga/SoulHunter'' it turns out that the entire houshin project was really there to destroy an omnipotent being, who was in turn manipulating history. The main character turns out to be the same person as a major villain, the person whom they were, was a member of the same race as the first omnipotent being, and he had predicted the whole series of events hundreds of years earlier.



* In ''Manga/ProjectArms'', the ultimate plan of Keith White ends up being this.
* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in the middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters that Hiruma actually knows the odds of all his gambits and only use the sink or swim ones against teams way above his rookie team's level since they already needed a miracle to win anyway so might as well plan one. It's even referred as a SignatureMove by the end of the series: Hiruma's Demon Magic.
* Near the end of the ''VideoGame/BlueDragon'' anime, Zola reveals that she had managed to use events since she was a child to ensure that she could release darkness upon the world, managing to find all seven Soldiers of Light required to free it, recruit five of them, kill off Nene so that Deathroy would choose a weaker partner in Delphinium who couldn't oppose her alone, and lure both Delphinium and Logi, the last Soldier, to the Sealed Grounds, unleashing the darkness. She almost succeeded in consuming the world as a result too.

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* In ''Manga/ProjectArms'', The events of the ultimate first season of ''Anime/{{K}}'' were a plan of Keith White ends up this sort from the Green King. Really, being this.
* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]],
the quarterback King of Chaos, he might not have cared ''what'' happened - his main goal was [[spoiler: drawing the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle Silver King out from hiding]] - but he seems to have put enough faith in the middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters Silver King to know that Hiruma actually knows he would come out on top after all of this - and considering that the odds of all his gambits Silver King has been ''alone in an airship with no contact with anyone for seventy years'', and only use that he does [[NighInvulnerable nearly]] get himself killed in solving it, that is a lot of faith to put in him.
* ''LightNovel/KyoKaraMaoh'': Shinou and Daikenja/Ken Murata had a Roulette in play for ''four thousand years'' aimed at defeating
the sink or swim ones against teams way above his rookie team's level since they already needed a miracle to win anyway so might as well plan one. It's even referred as a SignatureMove by the end of the series: Hiruma's Demon Magic.
Soushou.
* Near the end of the ''VideoGame/BlueDragon'' anime, Zola In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals that she had managed to use events since the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was a child abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had seal on her heart in order to ensure that she could release darkness upon the world, managing to find all seven Soldiers of Light required to free it, recruit five of them, kill off Nene so that Deathroy would choose a weaker partner in Delphinium who couldn't oppose kill herself so Obito had to watch her alone, be murdered not knowing she likely chose it. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and lure turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]
** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over
both Delphinium brothers reincarnations in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. [[labelnote:Note]]On edited him tablet, he wrote "seeking stability, one god was divided into yin and Logi, yang, these opposing two acting together obtain all things in creation" so he had to hope that one of the last Soldier, reincarnations of Indra will be able to interpret his message as he wanted.[[/labelnote]] From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Sealed Grounds, unleashing Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. In the darkness. She almost succeeded in consuming the world as process, Madara was somehow tricked into thinking he had himself created Black Zetsu. And guess what? His plan went off without a result too.''single'' hitch.]]



* The overarching plan Blackbeard concocts in ''Manga/OnePiece'' borders between this and XanatosSpeedChess. While there are a number of elements to his plan that rely largely on chance, they're mitigated by how either Blackbeard put himself in the best position to succeed, or the chance occurrence simply made things easier rather than being absolutely critical. For example, the start of his plot hinges on Blackbeard finding a [[GravityMaster very specific]] [[PowerupFood Devil Fruit]], when finding ''any'' Devil Fruit at all is an exceedingly rare occurrence; to deal with this, Blackbeard joins [[WorldsStrongestMan Whitebeard's]] pirate crew, realizing that he stood the best chance of finding the single fruit he wanted there. Later on, [[spoiler: Blackbeard plans on breaking out several of the most dangerous criminals of [[TheAlcatraz Impel Down]]. To even aproach the prison he has to gain favour with the government, which he plans to do by beating a high bounty-head, and delivering said person to the government. He decides on Luffy, as he was at the time worth 100.000.000, beat a Shichibukai and was relatively close. Luffy barely escapes, and Ace later catches up with Blackbeard (BB killed a crewmate to get the fruit, Ace got pissed) and after a fight Ace takes Luffy's place as a prisoner. At the prison he happens to arrive just as [[TheHero Luffy]], who had broken into the same prison earlier in order [[RescueArc to rescue his brother]], has begun his efforts to break back out alongside several allies he had made along the way, which makes things much easier for Blackbeard.]] This is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by how Blackbeard and his crew often talk about the role of fate in their plans, as if recognizing that the [[YouCantThwartStageOne plot will allow their plans to succeed eventually.]] Blackbeard himself admits to Sengoku that his plan hit a snag here and there, but overall it worked out as planned.
* Toua Tokuchi of ''Manga/OneOuts'' is a frequent user of this trope, [[MagnificentBastard though he still manages to make it look pretty damn awesome.]]



* Toua Tokuchi of ''Manga/OneOuts'' is a frequent user of this trope, [[MagnificentBastard though he still manages to make it look pretty damn awesome.]]
* Justified in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack''. The reason Amber's plans are always so ridiculously convoluted is because she can control time. It's implied that she's had to live through the same events many, ''many'' times to get everything to work correctly.
* ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'': The plot of the Golden Age Arc relies on a certain series of events that would be otherwise meaningless without each other. [[spoiler: Griffth's fall from grace, for instance, requires four things to happen in sequence or it's for nothing.]] Justified by events being orchestrated by [[spoiler: an EldritchAbomination]].
** Griffith's plan to capture Doldrey involves a legitimate BatmanGambit, but it also works flawlessly in spite of a factor that Griffith apparently left up to chance but would have ruined everything if it hadn't gone his way. [[spoiler:After Griffith lures Gennon's forces away from the castle, Casca and her group simply ride in through the castle's front gate which has been left wide open despite a battle being in progress. While this stroke of luck was caused by the idiocy of whoever was in charge of the castle's defense ([[ClingyComedyVillain Adon Corbowitz]], we're looking at you), Griffith did not even know that this would happen and was not shown to have had a plan for Casca getting past the gate if it had been closed. It could not have been because he knew from spies or other sources that Adon had an ill-conceived plan to let the attackers in and ambush them, because the ambush came as a complete surprise to Casca, who surely would have been told by Griffith if he had known.]] The anime version has this flaw in Griffith's plan as well. The film adaptation fixes this by Griffith having an actual plan to [[spoiler:get Casca inside, by having her group [[DressingAsTheEnemy disguised in the armor of Adon's Blue Whale Knights]] and using Adon--who they captured in the woods in this version--as a TrojanHorse so that the defenders would let them in.]]

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* Toua Tokuchi In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' episode "The Stolen Stones", Team Rocket devised a plot to steal Fire Stones involving a [[NoodleImplements rocket ship, a tandem bicycle that splits into two unicycles, a battlefield, three pitfalls (including one placed in the center of ''Manga/OneOuts'' is a frequent user the battlefield), and two bags of fake stones]], and Jessie even lost a battle on purpose in order to pull off the plan without a hitch.
* In ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'', Blue's K-O'ed while Sabrina battles Lorelei, then wakes up, [[EvilGloating tells Lorelei her entire plan up until that point]], then ''reveals'' that it was her "victory strut" and sends Clefable to grab the ice dolls. She then allows them to become broken, apparently ''taking her lower arm off'' in order to free Sabrina from the spell shackling them together... only that was never her arm in the first place, but rather her Ditto; she'd been expecting some sort of trick and
this trope, [[MagnificentBastard though he still manages was her reason for putting her jacket on when she'd first arrived on Cerise Island. [[FridgeLogic If that were true, one wonders why she went through all of the trouble of being "dead weight" in the first place, since]] she and Sabrina were apparently never ''actually'' shackled together... Oh, yes, did we mention that she's supposed to be [[GuileHero the ''good'' guy?]] Sabrina [[WhatTheHellHero calls her on this]]... and boy, is she pissed, [[LampshadeHanging having noted]] that same FridgeLogic. Blue nervously justifies it saying she had to make it look pretty damn awesome.]]
* Justified in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack''. The reason Amber's plans are always so ridiculously convoluted is because she can control time. It's implied
convincing to Lorelei or she'd lose the element of surprise that she's had ultimately did Lorelei in.
* In ''Manga/ProjectArms'', the ultimate plan of Keith White ends up being this.
* In ''Manga/SoulHunter'' it turns out that the entire houshin project was really there
to live through destroy an omnipotent being, who was in turn manipulating history. The main character turns out to be the same person as a major villain, the person whom they were, was a member of the same race as the first omnipotent being, and he had predicted the whole series of events many, ''many'' times hundreds of years earlier.
* In the anime and manga ''Manga/{{Spiral}}: Suiri no Kizuna'', the ability
to get ravel and unravel {{Plan}}s and Roulettes is, although it's not stated quite so baldly, a superpower many characters possess. Most of them assert that everything in the plot is a giant Roulette planned by the protagonist's older brother.
* Yuuko of ''Manga/XxxHOLiC'' and ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' seems
to work correctly.be aware of all "effects" to all "costs" via Wishes and manipulates them together to affect the future in ways mere mortals can't possibly predict. Yuuko's one limitation is that only other people can initiate Wishes, and she has to be a LiteralGenie to get the result she wants. Things get complicated when the villain of ''Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle'' uses his ability to see the future through dreams to manipulate fate this way too, often with the ''same'' costs and effects. There are other dreamseers in the series pulling strings as well, but most of them are allied with either Yuuko or Fei Wong and incorporated into their plans. Also, every member of the initial party is somehow working for Yuuko or Fei Wong. All of them had been previously manipulated by the two [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] into the circumstances which led them to Yuuko's shop. Only one of them knows which side he's playing for from the beginning, but even his memories were changed to better serve the BigBad. Topping it off, everything both of them planned was secretly part of Clow Reed's plan, which also incorporated the entire plot of ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''. Clow has been dead for centuries.
* ''Anime/YuGiOh''
** Dartz, TheLeader of the Doma Organization, used this to recruit his followers; except for Mai, Haga, and Ryuzaki, all of his servants' past troubles that eventually lead to their joining the Organization were orchestrated by Dartz himself just so he could inflict a rage against humanity in them and use MoreThanMindControl to cajole them into signing up.
** Later on, Yami Bakura's master plan comes up, which [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries took over 200 bloody episodes]] to come to fruition.
** Furthermore, in every duel in the series, the opposing duelist is always thought to be a {{Chessmaster}}, no matter how competent (or not) the duelist actually is. TheMagicPokerEquation is responsible by no small measure. Yugi's duel against the mind-controlled Strings is a good example. While Marik's "Five God Combo" was lethal when Strings pulled it off, there were ''dozens'' of things that could have gone wrong.

* ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'': The plot Yubel, Judai's StalkerWithACrush from ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' gives a prime example of this trope. During Season 3 of the Golden Age Arc relies on a certain series show, she completes and executes one of events that would be otherwise meaningless without each other. [[spoiler: Griffth's fall from grace, for instance, requires four things to happen in sequence or it's for nothing.]] Justified the most intricate and chancy plans of the genre by events being orchestrated by [[spoiler: an EldritchAbomination]].
** Griffith's plan to capture Doldrey involves a legitimate BatmanGambit, but it also works flawlessly in spite of a factor that Griffith apparently left up to chance but would have ruined
manipulating everyone and everything if it hadn't gone his way. [[spoiler:After Griffith lures Gennon's forces away from the castle, Casca and her group simply ride in through the castle's front gate which has been left wide open despite with mind-control, possession and, [[SeriousBusiness most unthinkably]], losing a battle being in progress. While this stroke of luck was caused by the idiocy of whoever was in charge of the castle's defense ([[ClingyComedyVillain Adon Corbowitz]], we're looking at you), Griffith did not even know that this would happen and was not shown to have had a plan for Casca getting past the gate if it had been closed. It could not have been because he knew from spies or other sources that Adon had an ill-conceived plan to let the attackers in and ambush them, because the ambush came as a complete surprise to Casca, who surely would have been told by Griffith if he had known.]] The anime version has this flaw in Griffith's plan as well. The film adaptation fixes this by Griffith having an actual plan to [[spoiler:get Casca inside, by having her group [[DressingAsTheEnemy disguised in the armor of Adon's Blue Whale Knights]] and using Adon--who they captured in the woods in this version--as a TrojanHorse so that the defenders would let them in.]]match on purpose.



* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' once figured out a case just in time by subverting this trope. He had several suspects as to who was unknowingly given a bomb, narrowing them down by whether they had something that could hide a bomb and an electronic device that could set it off. He eventually deduced the only person it could be was [[spoiler: the woman with the cell phone]], as all other people's devices were unpredictable and accidentally pressing a button could set the bomb off too early.
* The overarching plan Blackbeard concocts in ''Franchise/OnePiece'' borders between this and XanatosSpeedChess. While there are a number of elements to his plan that rely largely on chance, they're mitigated by how either Blackbeard put himself in the best position to succeed, or the chance occurrence simply made things easier rather than being absolutely critical. For example, the start of his plot hinges on Blackbeard finding a [[GravityMaster very specific]] [[PowerupFood Devil Fruit]], when finding ''any'' Devil Fruit at all is an exceedingly rare occurrence; to deal with this, Blackbeard joins [[WorldsStrongestMan Whitebeard's]] pirate crew, realizing that he stood the best chance of finding the single fruit he wanted there. Later on, [[spoiler: Blackbeard plans on breaking out several of the most dangerous criminals of [[TheAlcatraz Impel Down]]. To even aproach the prison he has to gain favour with the government, which he plans to do by beating a high bounty-head, and delivering said person to the government. He decides on Luffy, as he was at the time worth 100.000.000, beat a Shichibukai and was relatively close. Luffy barely escapes, and Ace later catches up with Blackbeard (BB killed a crewmate to get the fruit, Ace got pissed) and after a fight Ace takes Luffy's place as a prisoner. At the prison he happens to arrive just as [[TheHero Luffy]], who had broken into the same prison earlier in order [[RescueArc to rescue his brother]], has begun his efforts to break back out alongside several allies he had made along the way, which makes things much easier for Blackbeard.]] This is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by how Blackbeard and his crew often talk about the role of fate in their plans, as if recognizing that the [[YouCantThwartStageOne plot will allow their plans to succeed eventually.]] Blackbeard himself admits to Sengoku that his plan hit a snag here and there, but overall it worked out as planned.
* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had seal on her heart in order to she couldn't kill herself so Obito had to watch her be murdered not knowing she likely chose it. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]
** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brothers reincarnations in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. [[labelnote:Note]]On edited him tablet, he wrote "seeking stability, one god was divided into yin and yang, these opposing two acting together obtain all things in creation" so he had to hope that one of the reincarnations of Indra will be able to interpret his message as he wanted.[[/labelnote]] From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. In the process, Madara was somehow tricked into thinking he had himself created Black Zetsu. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch.]]



* Christopher Priest's portrayal of the Creator/MarvelUniverse superhero T'Challa the ComicBook/BlackPanther resorted to this trope several times during the course of his solo series.
** This is also the shtick of the Marvel villain the Mad Thinker, who routinely predicts events and people's actions down to a fraction of a second, yet almost always ends up overlooking something that foils his plans.
* In the series ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', Vanessa Fisk was the {{Chessmaster}} behind the sinister events that transpired within the first two arcs of writer Ed Brubaker's run on the title. Every player acted and every scenario unfolded with near-perfect precision, the one hitch being the confrontation with Matt Murdock occurring earlier than planned.
* In the original ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', the hero seems to imply that he killed a man knowing that this would drive the man's wife to assassinate Mr. Susan. On top of that, it was a fight V could not possibly have foreseen that he would have the upper hand in. Made bearable by the fact that V never brags about doing this explicitly, but rather only hints at it. [[http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendetta/mtreuthardt.html#three Discussion here.]]
* The creation of ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'s'' Saint of Killers as orchestrated by God Himself, who through a mere blizzard he generated and a reliance on every single pawn acting accordingly, managed to have the overall chain of events unfold flawlessly according to plan (if we disregard getting HoistByHisOwnPetard in the series's ending).
* In Volume 9 of ''ComicBook/TheSandman,'' it is revealed that everything that happened, not only in that volume, but everything that came before to bring everyone to that point, was all Dream's doing. The reason for doing this is revealed shortly after, but that's not even the strangest part. It is implied that he was doing it ''without even knowing it.''
* In ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'', Lex Luthor evokes this trope when, after a epic battle between the Superman-controlled communist world and his country, the USA, they are forced to join skills against a Brainiac that reveals itself to be evil, which results in [[spoiler:Superman's apparent death]]. He says "One can almost be forgiven for thinking that this had all been worked out to the tenth decimal point forty years ago, eh?"
* Some of the plots that [[ComicBook/ChickTracts Jack Chick]] imputes to the Vatican fall squarely into this.

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* Christopher Priest's portrayal of the Creator/MarvelUniverse superhero T'Challa the ComicBook/BlackPanther resorted to this trope several times during the course of his solo series.
** This is also the shtick of the Marvel villain the Mad Thinker, who routinely predicts events and people's actions down to a fraction of a second, yet almost always ends up overlooking something that foils his plans.
* In the series ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', Vanessa Fisk was the {{Chessmaster}} behind the sinister events that transpired within the first two arcs of writer Ed Brubaker's run on the title. Every player acted and every scenario unfolded with near-perfect precision, the one hitch being the confrontation with Matt Murdock occurring earlier than planned.
* In the original ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', the hero seems to imply that he killed a man knowing that this would drive the man's wife to assassinate Mr. Susan. On top of that, it was a fight V could not possibly have foreseen that he would have the upper hand in. Made bearable by the fact that V never brags about doing this explicitly, but rather only hints at it. [[http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendetta/mtreuthardt.html#three Discussion here.]]
* The creation of ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'s'' Saint of Killers as orchestrated by God Himself, who through a mere blizzard he generated and a reliance on every single pawn acting accordingly, managed to have the overall chain of events unfold flawlessly according to plan (if we disregard getting HoistByHisOwnPetard in the series's ending).
* In Volume 9 of ''ComicBook/TheSandman,'' it is revealed that everything that happened, not only in that volume, but everything that came before to bring everyone to that point, was all Dream's doing. The reason for doing this is revealed shortly after, but that's not even the strangest part. It is implied that he was doing it ''without even knowing it.''
* In ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'', Lex Luthor evokes this trope when, after a epic battle between the Superman-controlled communist world and his country, the USA, they are forced to join skills against a Brainiac that reveals itself to be evil, which results in [[spoiler:Superman's apparent death]]. He says "One can almost be forgiven for thinking that this had all been worked out to the tenth decimal point forty years ago, eh?"
* Some of the plots that [[ComicBook/ChickTracts Jack Chick]] imputes to the Vatican fall squarely into this.
!!!Franchise/{{DCU}}



* Linkara similarly called out ''ComicBook/TheUltimates 3'' and ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', where it was revealed that DoctorDoom had manipulated Comicbook/{{Ultron}} into murdering Comicbook/ScarletWitch in order to provoke SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} into declaring war on mankind. Linkara pointed out that Doom's plan was full of far too many unpredictable variables to possibly be reasonable, and argued that there's no way a disciplined scientific genius like Doom would ever rely on a plan that left so much to random chance.

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* Linkara similarly called ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** How about Lex Luthor's plan in ''ComicBook/SupermanAndBatmanGenerations''? He uses Gold Kryptonite on Superman's unborn son Joel, forever robbing him of super powers. Then several years later, he goes to Joel and plays off his inferiority complex to turn him against his family, all of which hinged ''entirely'' upon Clark and Lois having another child, one who would have powers and take up the Superman mantle. Then he posed as Lois' doctor and helped fight her cancer so she could see her daughter's wedding day - at which point Joel, who has powers thanks to Luthor, kills his sister while Lex snaps Lois' neck. Then, back at his base, Lex tells Joel about all his lies while admitting that his powers are killing him, meaning Superman's immediate family is all dead now. And the plan's '''still''' not done yet...
*** The only essential aspects of his plan were ruining Superman's life and killing him (ideally in such a way as to leave Superman's body available for possession since Luthor was really the Ultra Humanite). The rest could be adapted on the circumstances, so this is more a case of XanatosSpeedChess.
** In ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'', Lex Luthor evokes this trope when, after a epic battle between the Superman-controlled communist world and his country, the USA, they are forced to join skills against a Brainiac that reveals itself to be evil, which results in [[spoiler:Superman's apparent death]]. He says "One can almost be forgiven for thinking that this had all been worked
out to the tenth decimal point forty years ago, eh?"
* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.

!!!Franchise/MarvelUniverse
*
''ComicBook/TheUltimates 3'' and ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', where it was revealed that DoctorDoom had manipulated Comicbook/{{Ultron}} into murdering Comicbook/ScarletWitch in order to provoke SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} into declaring war on mankind. Linkara pointed out that Doom's plan was full of far too many unpredictable variables to possibly be reasonable, and argued that there's no way a disciplined scientific genius like Doom would ever rely on a plan that left so much to random chance.chance.
* Christopher Priest's portrayal of the Creator/MarvelUniverse superhero T'Challa the ComicBook/BlackPanther resorted to this trope several times during the course of his solo series.
** This is also the shtick of the Marvel villain the Mad Thinker, who routinely predicts events and people's actions down to a fraction of a second, yet almost always ends up overlooking something that foils his plans.
* In the series ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', Vanessa Fisk was the {{Chessmaster}} behind the sinister events that transpired within the first two arcs of writer Ed Brubaker's run on the title. Every player acted and every scenario unfolded with near-perfect precision, the one hitch being the confrontation with Matt Murdock occurring earlier than planned.
* Franchise/SpiderMan's infamous [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] was eventually revealed to be a massive Gambit Roulette by ComicBook/NormanOsborn.
* Discussed by [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Hela]] and [[GenreSavvy Madrox]] in ''ComicBook/XFactor'' when Hela's [[ComplexityAddiction convoluted scheme]] to lure Thor into her realm goes AllAccordingToPlan:
-->'''Hela''': [[LetMeGetThisStraight Are you really suggesting]] that I schemed and plotted to put all of this in motion... Depended upon a series of startling coincidences... Just to bring matters to this pass? Most unlikely, isn't it?
-->'''Madrox''': I'm on a team with a luck-manipulating alien talking to a Norse death goddess in Vegas. I think the Unlikely-Meter is way off the normal scale.



* How about Lex Luthor's plan in ''ComicBook/SupermanAndBatmanGenerations''? He uses Gold Kryptonite on Superman's unborn son Joel, forever robbing him of super powers. Then several years later, he goes to Joel and plays off his inferiority complex to turn him against his family, all of which hinged ''entirely'' upon Clark and Lois having another child, one who would have powers and take up the Superman mantle. Then he posed as Lois' doctor and helped fight her cancer so she could see her daughter's wedding day - at which point Joel, who has powers thanks to Luthor, kills his sister while Lex snaps Lois' neck. Then, back at his base, Lex tells Joel about all his lies while admitting that his powers are killing him, meaning Superman's immediate family is all dead now. And the plan's '''still''' not done yet...
** The only essential aspects of his plan were ruining Superman's life and killing him (ideally in such a way as to leave Superman's body available for possession since Luthor was really the Ultra Humanite). The rest could be adapted on the circumstances, so this is more a case of XanatosSpeedChess.
* Franchise/SpiderMan's infamous [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] was eventually revealed to be a massive Gambit Roulette by ComicBook/NormanOsborn.
* Discussed by [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Hela]] and [[GenreSavvy Madrox]] in ''ComicBook/XFactor'' when Hela's [[ComplexityAddiction convoluted scheme]] to lure Thor into her realm goes AllAccordingToPlan:
-->'''Hela''': [[LetMeGetThisStraight Are you really suggesting]] that I schemed and plotted to put all of this in motion... Depended upon a series of startling coincidences... Just to bring matters to this pass? Most unlikely, isn't it?
-->'''Madrox''': I'm on a team with a luck-manipulating alien talking to a Norse death goddess in Vegas. I think the Unlikely-Meter is way off the normal scale.

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!!!Other
* How about Lex Luthor's plan in ''ComicBook/SupermanAndBatmanGenerations''? He uses Gold Kryptonite on Superman's unborn son Joel, forever robbing him Some of super powers. Then several years later, he goes to Joel and plays off his inferiority complex to turn him against his family, all of which hinged ''entirely'' upon Clark and Lois having another child, one who would have powers and take up the Superman mantle. Then he posed as Lois' doctor and helped fight her cancer so she could see her daughter's wedding day - at which point Joel, who has powers thanks to Luthor, kills his sister while Lex snaps Lois' neck. Then, back at his base, Lex tells Joel about all his lies while admitting plots that his powers are killing him, meaning Superman's immediate family is all dead now. And [[ComicBook/ChickTracts Jack Chick]] imputes to the plan's '''still''' not done yet...
** The only essential aspects of his plan were ruining Superman's life and killing him (ideally in such a way as to leave Superman's body available for possession since Luthor was really the Ultra Humanite). The rest could be adapted on the circumstances, so this is more a case of XanatosSpeedChess.
* Franchise/SpiderMan's infamous [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] was eventually revealed to be a massive Gambit Roulette by ComicBook/NormanOsborn.
* Discussed by [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Hela]] and [[GenreSavvy Madrox]] in ''ComicBook/XFactor'' when Hela's [[ComplexityAddiction convoluted scheme]] to lure Thor
Vatican fall squarely into her realm goes AllAccordingToPlan:
-->'''Hela''': [[LetMeGetThisStraight Are you really suggesting]] that I schemed and plotted to put all of this in motion... Depended upon a series of startling coincidences... Just to bring matters to this pass? Most unlikely, isn't it?
-->'''Madrox''': I'm on a team with a luck-manipulating alien talking to a Norse death goddess in Vegas. I think the Unlikely-Meter is way off the normal scale.
this.



* The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.

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* The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career creation of ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'s'' Saint of Killers as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for orchestrated by God Himself, who through a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already mere blizzard he generated and a reliance on every single pawn acting accordingly, managed to have someone the overall chain of events unfold flawlessly according to plan (if we disregard getting HoistByHisOwnPetard in mind (this the series's ending).
* In Volume 9 of ''ComicBook/TheSandman,'' it
is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again everything that happened, not only in a foreign country, that volume, but everything that came before finally killing him. Never mind to bring everyone to that point, was all Dream's doing. The reason for doing this is revealed shortly after, but that's not even the strangest part. It is implied that he was doing it ''without even knowing it.''
* In the original ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', the hero seems to imply that he killed a man knowing
that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated would drive the ability man's wife to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to assassinate Mr. Susan. On top of that, it was a fight V could not possibly have foreseen that he would have the upper hand in. Made bearable by the fact that V never brags about doing this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.explicitly, but rather only hints at it. [[http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendetta/mtreuthardt.html#three Discussion here.]]
2nd Apr '17 9:41:52 AM yarrunmace
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*** Reinforced with the presence of tarot cards being used by Inquisitors to help determine the Emperor's will with a great deal of implication towards this being the case as the emperor's mind had to fracture to cope with ruling the Imperium as his body lays dying. Some of the books even show aspects of the emperor's mind(s) even disagreeing showing that not all of them are in communion with eachother. Or are they? Meaning no one is really sure what the Emperor's plans and thoughts could be. Probably not even Tzeentch. This has led to a running joke in 4chan's /tg/ boards of the Emperor, Tzeentch and the Deceiver getting together every saturday and having Gambit poker.

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*** Reinforced with the presence of tarot cards being used by Inquisitors to help determine the Emperor's will with a great deal of implication towards this being the case as the emperor's mind had to fracture to cope with ruling the Imperium as his body lays dying. Some of the books even show aspects of the emperor's mind(s) even disagreeing showing that not all of them are in communion with eachother.each other. Or are they? Meaning no one is really sure what the Emperor's plans and thoughts could be. Probably not even Tzeentch. This has led to a running joke in 4chan's /tg/ boards of the Emperor, Tzeentch and the Deceiver getting together every saturday and having Gambit poker.



*** The extent of the deceptions of Tzeentch and the Deceiver are so convoluted, [[{{WMG}} one might think]] that they're one in the same. [[MindScrew Or not.]]



** A throw-away line in the new Warhammer Daemons army book suggests he might not actually have an end goal at all, he just likes setting these things in motion and seeing what happens. He is a god of Chaos, after all.
*** All of Tzeentch's greater plans intentionally oppose each other. This is because, being the very concept of scheming personified, if any one grand scheme were to actually succeed, Tzeentch would write himself out of existence. So, unless his goal is suicide, he doesn't have one. Daaaaaaamn, man.
*** Regardless of his ultimate purpose his most famous and abysmal failures are at the hands of a bunch of intoxicated, overstuffed, oversexed, genetically engineered, battle lusting, werewolfish, space vikings. In your face biatch. HOWL.



** And remember kids, in ''this'' universe, this guy is the god of ''Hope''...
31st Mar '17 12:37:50 PM Prometheus117
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** Piraka Zaktan has seen the full plan, and keeps it in mind. This has allowed the heroes to actually work towards foiling it, as when Zaktan became their captive, he guided them to Teridax's then-supposed location. There was some ambiguity whether he was telling the truth or just wanted to play a roulette of his own, but we'll probably never find out, since that [[AbortedArc story-arc was abandoned quickly]].

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** Piraka Zaktan has seen the full plan, and keeps it in mind. This has allowed the heroes to actually work towards foiling it, as when Zaktan became their captive, he guided them to Teridax's then-supposed location. There was some ambiguity whether he was telling the truth or just wanted to play a roulette of his own, but we'll probably never find out, since that [[AbortedArc story-arc was abandoned quickly]].quickly]], courtesy of Teridax himself [[DroppedABridgeOnHim blowing Zaktan up]] [[spoiler:...or [[GoodThingYouCanHeal that's what everyone thought]], but Zaktan was left in no position to try anything and [[KnowWhenToFoldEm made his escape to leave the Toa to their fate]]]].
** Pridak of the Barraki eventually sees the plan himself, or what he could make out after repairing the ruins Zaktan made of the original planning chamber. He immediately tries to get the other Barraki together and make an alliance with the Dark Hunters, [[spoiler:not trusting his "employers" among the Order of Mata Nui]], but Teridax's plans come together [[YouAreTooLate before he can do anything meaningful with the knowledge]].
19th Mar '17 6:51:40 AM SeaRover
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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are? (The fact that Yui really didn't pick up on this the whole time is a wallbanger in its own right.[[labelnote: Seriously...]]First in the flash-forward chapters, she tells Miyuki (after learning about Cherry's death) that there are no coincidences in crime, and it only occurs to her later from there that Konata had been rather aloof and she had no idea all this time how much danger she and Yutaka were really in. She already acknowledged from the beginning of the fic what terrible people the late Kenji and all his cohorts were, knew that Konata was dating him, and it doesn't occur to her to have a word with either of them?[[/labelnote]])

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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are? (The fact that Yui really didn't pick up on this the whole time is a wallbanger in its own right.and of itself.[[labelnote: Seriously...I mean...]]First in the flash-forward chapters, she tells Miyuki (after learning about Cherry's death) that there are no coincidences in crime, and it only occurs to her later from there that Konata had been rather aloof and she had no idea all this time how much danger she and Yutaka were really in. She already acknowledged from the beginning of the fic what terrible people the late Kenji and all his cohorts were, knew that Konata was dating him, and it doesn't occur to her to have a word with either of them?[[/labelnote]])
19th Mar '17 3:41:45 AM SeaRover
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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are? (The fact that Yui really didn't pick up on this the whole time is a wallbanger in its own right.[[labelnote: I mean...]]First in the flash-forward chapters, she tells Miyuki (after learning about Cherry's death) that there are no coincidences in crime, and it only occurs to her later from there that Konata had been rather aloof and she had no idea all this time how much danger she and Yutaka were really in. She already acknowledged from the beginning of the fic what terrible people the late Kenji and all his cohorts were, knew that Konata was dating him, and it doesn't occur to her to have a word with either of them?[[/labelnote]]

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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are? (The fact that Yui really didn't pick up on this the whole time is a wallbanger in its own right.[[labelnote: I mean...Seriously...]]First in the flash-forward chapters, she tells Miyuki (after learning about Cherry's death) that there are no coincidences in crime, and it only occurs to her later from there that Konata had been rather aloof and she had no idea all this time how much danger she and Yutaka were really in. She already acknowledged from the beginning of the fic what terrible people the late Kenji and all his cohorts were, knew that Konata was dating him, and it doesn't occur to her to have a word with either of them?[[/labelnote]]them?[[/labelnote]])
19th Mar '17 3:41:08 AM SeaRover
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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are?

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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are?are? (The fact that Yui really didn't pick up on this the whole time is a wallbanger in its own right.[[labelnote: I mean...]]First in the flash-forward chapters, she tells Miyuki (after learning about Cherry's death) that there are no coincidences in crime, and it only occurs to her later from there that Konata had been rather aloof and she had no idea all this time how much danger she and Yutaka were really in. She already acknowledged from the beginning of the fic what terrible people the late Kenji and all his cohorts were, knew that Konata was dating him, and it doesn't occur to her to have a word with either of them?[[/labelnote]]
17th Mar '17 3:30:41 AM SeaRover
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** And when Konata wakes up again, Kenji threatens to murder Yutaka should she seek help from Yui. Did it not occur to him that Yui will probably be the one, along with Soujiro, to demand an explanation from her instead regarding her changes in behavior and Yutaka's absence ever since they all first met him, and how likely to break down and come clean she'll be once she finds no way out from ''them''? Just how stupid does he assume a couple of folks he's only just met really are?
8th Mar '17 10:43:15 AM jdgs
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* The ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is rife with {{Gambit Roulette}}s, but ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2'' takes the cake, though, with a plot so staggeringly convoluted that the bad guys reveal they didn't really ''have'' a goal. It was a test run to see how good they were at manipulating events. Surprisingly the bad guys are still in control long after they reveal their plot. Only the previous game's player character and his dead brother's arm have any freedom. It's a symbolism thing, honest. [[MindScrew Unless it's not.]]

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* The ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is rife ''Franchise/MetalGear'':
** It goes as far back as the [[VideoGame/MetalGear1 very first Metal Gear game]] (with the help of some retcons). Big Boss' plan relied on the chance that Venom Snake wouldn't turn against him in the span of years after he revealed the truth to him (and he had plenty of reasons to do it). There's also the fact that Big Boss needed Venom to become a terrorist, which was very unlikely by the end of the fifth game (Even
with {{Gambit Roulette}}s, but Ocelot's manipulation, Venom always cared more about the safety of his men than the other's ambitious ideas, and was much more of a good guy than Big Boss ever was as he showed with Quiet or even Huey).
** ''Videogame/MetalGearSolid'' has Liquid Snake fooling everyone from Snake's team into believing he was Master Miller. This plan involved him predicting Miller was gonna be called for the mission, then killing him quietly on his home before the mission started without anyone noticing or checking his home, and ultimately hoping no one would notice Miller was suspiciously unavailable at certain points where Liquid was busy (Such as while fighting with Snake on the Hind D).
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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2'' takes can actually be seen as a sort of {{Main/Deconstruction}} of this trope. As the cake, though, with a main plot pretty much tells you there's no way a Gambit Roulette can be executed so staggeringly convoluted perfectly without some kind of meddling. The ending even reveals that the ONE factor that the bad guy couldn't predict and plan for, was actually planned by the real bad guys reveal in advance and they just didn't really ''have'' a goal. It was a test run to see how good they were at manipulating events. Surprisingly tell the staged bad guy about it. At the end, the real bad guys are still in control long after they (The Patriots) even reveal their plot. Only goal was to find out how much they could manipulate events from behind the previous game's player character and his dead brother's arm have any freedom. It's a symbolism thing, honest. scenes before the main protagonists (meaning, the people they were trying to manipulate in story, [[MindScrew Unless it's not.]]which could have plenty of meanings]]) start realizing they were part of a staged event. This went so far to the point that even the staged bad guy's (Ocelot) mind control was taken into account on their plans (As explained in Metal Gear Solid 4, the Patriots were trying to push the world into a staged war economy. They knew Liquid was gonna try to become a main player, so the Patriots allowed him to advance on the businness as he made the war economy stronger. It was only when they found out that Liquid wanted to control the S.O.P. system to kill them that they decided Liquid needed to be stopped).
5th Mar '17 11:59:37 PM flodoris
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in her mind. Thus explaining why Rin didn't use any of the much smarter options available to her. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in seal on her mind. Thus explaining why Rin didn't use any of the much smarter options available heart in order to her.she couldn't kill herself so Obito had to watch her be murdered not knowing she likely chose it. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]
2nd Mar '17 10:18:00 AM mhj0808
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** Don't forget, also, the the entire plan really hinged on a completely amnesiac Light having to touch the same Death Note that he relinquished in order to get his memory back- which, of course, he just so happened to do at the perfect time.
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