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2nd Sep '17 7:47:37 AM KingLyger
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The entire casino heist and everything after was all part of a plan by the Thieves to [[spoiler:turn Sae to their side and fake the Protagonist's death, so that they could expose the traitor in their party, find out who their boss is, and throw TheConspiracy off the thieves trail for awhile.]] However, as everyone points out, nobody knew what would happen past the Protagonist's capture, and the entire plan [[BatmanGambit hinged on the Protagonist appealing to Sae's long lost sense of justice]]. Further, the interrogators drugged the protagonist, messing him up so much that he didn't even remember that there was a plan until the tail end of his talk with Sae.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The entire casino heist and everything after was all part of a plan by the Phantom Thieves to [[spoiler:turn throw a SpannerInTheWorks of TheConspiracy that was hunting them. It involved a convoluted series of events that required Joker to turn Sae Niijima to their side side, and fake Joker's death by tricking the Protagonist's death, so that traitor into killing a fake Joker in the Metaverse. By doing so, they could expose the traitor in their party, find out who their the traitor's boss is, and throw TheConspiracy the conspirators off the thieves Thieves' trail for awhile.]] awhile, all at the same time. However, as everyone points out, nobody knew what would happen past the Protagonist's Joker's capture, and the entire plan [[BatmanGambit hinged on the Protagonist Joker appealing to Sae's long lost sense of justice]]. Further, the interrogators drugged the protagonist, Joker, messing him up so much that he didn't even remember that there was ''was'' a plan until just a few minutes before the tail end of his talk with Sae.Sae. That Joker still managed to pull it off in spite of all that [[WorthyOpponent even impresses the villains]].
31st Aug '17 3:55:26 AM Doug86
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* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates 3'' and ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', where it was revealed that DoctorDoom had manipulated Comicbook/{{Ultron}} into murdering Comicbook/ScarletWitch in order to provoke ComicBook/{{Magneto}} into declaring war on mankind. Linkara pointed out that Doom's plan was full of far too many unpredictable variables to possibly be reasonable, and argued that there's no way a disciplined scientific genius like Doom would ever rely on a plan that left so much to random chance.

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* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates 3'' and ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', where it was revealed that DoctorDoom ComicBook/DoctorDoom had manipulated Comicbook/{{Ultron}} into murdering Comicbook/ScarletWitch in order to provoke ComicBook/{{Magneto}} into declaring war on mankind. Linkara pointed out that Doom's plan was full of far too many unpredictable variables to possibly be reasonable, and argued that there's no way a disciplined scientific genius like Doom would ever rely on a plan that left so much to random chance.
27th Aug '17 12:25:56 PM DarkHunter
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** In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', Aeolia Schoenberg, a scientist who passed away 200 years before the setting, invented every essential technology required till the present to obtain his supposed ideal of humanity traveling to the stars. Therefore he initiates the creation of Celestial Being and probably the Innovators as well, and possibly foresaw all the important events of the series, e.g. the failure of the first CB actions, the birth of the federation which would turn corrupt and then be beaten by CB again. Though, it's unclear how much of Ribbons behaviour was in unison with his plans. Ribbons claims his rule was the final goal, but that's highly doubtful. It's more likely that Aeolia anticipated Ribbons' betrayal, or perhaps even considered in a necessary part of the plan.

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** In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', Aeolia Schoenberg, a scientist who passed away 200 years before the setting, invented every essential technology required till the present to obtain his supposed ideal of humanity traveling to the stars. Therefore he initiates the creation of Celestial Being and probably the Innovators as well, and possibly foresaw all the important events of the series, e.g. the failure of the first CB actions, the birth of the federation which would turn corrupt and then be beaten by CB again. Though, it's unclear how much of Ribbons behaviour was in unison with his plans. Ribbons claims his rule was the final goal, but that's highly doubtful. It's more likely that Aeolia anticipated Ribbons' betrayal, or perhaps even considered in a necessary part of the plan. There's also the implication that the supercomputer VEDA is making alterations to the details of Aeolia's plan to still achieve the same end result, given how ridiculous it would be for a single man to predict all of this happening hundreds of years after his death.
26th Aug '17 3:48:04 AM GigaHand
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* ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' has Komaeda come to the conclusion that there is a spy in the midst of the trapped party, and, in order to out the spy to the others [[spoiler: orchestrates an elaborate ThanatosGambit involving him committing suicide in such a way that the spy would inadvertently finish him off, and thus get tried for killing him. How does he guarantee that the spy would be the one to do it? He doesn't, instead relying on his [[BornLucky Ultimate Good Luck]] that of all the people who stumbled on his body, the spy would be the one to finish him off without even realizing it. ''It works''.]]

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* ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' has Nagito Komaeda come to the conclusion that there is a spy in the midst of the trapped party, and, in order to out the spy to the others [[spoiler: orchestrates an elaborate ThanatosGambit involving him committing suicide in such a way that the spy would inadvertently finish him off, and thus get tried for killing him. How does he guarantee that the spy would be the one to do it? He doesn't, instead relying on his [[BornLucky Ultimate Good Luck]] that of all the people who stumbled on his body, the spy would be the one to finish him off without even realizing it. ''It works''.]]
** Given that Nagito has his own ridiculous brand of [[BornLucky luck]], it really makes sense that any plan formed by him that relies on random chance to work, will work. Another example: [[spoiler:He wants to be picked to clean a building so that he can prepare the things he will need for another plan later on. He suggests the group draws straws to decide who cleans the building, and sure enough he got the short straw.
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14th Aug '17 2:08:43 PM Dreadjaws
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## Iron Man and Captain America weren't at odds already due to being on opposite sides of the law.
## The battle at the airport had had an entirely different outcome (by the fight going differently or Iron Man's side being smart enough to simply destroy every plane in the place instead of fighting, letting Captain America with no means to escape).
## Captain America hadn't gotten hold of Ant-Man, or had actually gotten someone like Thor at his side. In general, if any of the teams had the scales severely tipped in their favor.
## The government was actually secure enough to know who they let inside for interrogations or to have armed people in place next to the interrogator for Bucky.
## Iron Man hadn't acted completely irrationally at the climax.
## Captain America had gotten ahold of Bucky before the death of King T'Chaka so he never got captured.
14th Aug '17 1:40:10 PM Dreadjaws
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* The aggregate actions of the Joker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'': for an agent of chaos with a stated disdain for [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]], he effortlessly pulls together seemingly random and improbable events into a single overall scheme. A good example is his "race for two hostages scheme", which counts on 1. Joker being captured and taking to a holding cell both just close enough yet far enough from the spot of his scheme, 2. Batman being present at the jail to interrogate him, 3. Batman being in love with Rachel Dawes even though the only proof Joker has of this is seeing Batman jump out a window to save her (which he would have done for any person Joker flung out of there), 4. there still being enough time to reach either of the hostages when Joker doesn't have a clock in his cell or on his person, 5. no police being out on patrol close enough to the spots where the hostages are, 6. Batman getting to his hostage first before the police, even though he's using a new vehicle Joker has never seen until this night. And that's just one scheme out of a dozen of his.

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* The aggregate actions of the Joker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'': for an agent of chaos with a stated disdain for [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]], he effortlessly pulls together seemingly random and improbable events into a single overall scheme. A good example is his "race for two hostages scheme", which counts on 1. Joker being captured and taking to a holding cell both just close enough yet far enough from the spot of his scheme, 2. Batman being present at the jail to interrogate him, 3. Batman being in love with Rachel Dawes even though the only proof Joker has of this is seeing Batman jump out a window to save her (which he would have done for any person Joker flung out of there), 4. there still being enough time to reach either of the hostages when Joker doesn't have a clock in his cell or on his person, 5. no police being out on patrol close enough to the spots where the hostages are, 6. Batman getting to his hostage first before the police, even though he's using a new vehicle Joker has never seen until this night. And that's just one scheme out of a dozen of his. Actually subverted, though, since Joker is clearly an [[GambitSpeedChess opportunist]] who simply accommodates whenever his plans fail.
12th Aug '17 11:49:12 PM BattleMaster
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[[folder:Films -- Animation]]
* In the climax of Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'', Aladdin tricks EvilSorcerer Jafar by pointing out to him that he's still not as powerful as the Genie who gave him his power in the first place. This leads to Jafar wishing to become "an all-powerful genie", which is a bad idea because Genies are naturally enslaved beings bound to serve the wishes of their master, which gets Jafar stuck in a magic lamp for 10 thousand years. Except this whole plan would have backfired spectacularly, had Jafar just wished to be "more powerful than the Genie", which was an equally likely reaction to Aladdin's remark.
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30th Jul '17 8:31:55 PM Baby_Moondancer
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*** And the ultimate objective of all this? [[spoiler:To make a doll sit on a whoopee cushion.]]

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*** And the ultimate objective of all this? [[spoiler:To make a doll sit on a whoopee cushion.WhoopeeCushion.]]
30th Jul '17 8:20:51 PM Baby_Moondancer
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And the ultimate objective of all this? [[spoiler:To make a doll sit on a whoopee cushion.]]

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*** And the ultimate objective of all this? [[spoiler:To make a doll sit on a whoopee cushion.]]
30th Jul '17 8:19:18 PM Baby_Moondancer
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** the blimp to fly into a barnís weathervane and pop, dropping the anvil on a ramp that a cow is
standing on and catapulting it into the sky,

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** the blimp to fly into a barnís weathervane and pop, dropping the anvil on a ramp that a cow is
is standing on and catapulting it into the sky,
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