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18th Nov '16 7:27:49 PM dasuberkaiser
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** Done in Lord of the Rings Online with the Broadacres plotline. One of the Thanes is secretly in league with Saruman and is betraying his own Reeve as well as his own country. One by one, the other servants of his liege, Reeve Frithild, are killed off until he finally secretly poisons Frithild and takes her position. This would be more impressive if it weren't for the fact that all of the deaths of her faithful retainers are happening right next to you *in battle* by random mooks. Meanwhile, the evil Thane Ordlac and his Dragon Dudsig are *also* next to you helping fight the same mooks. So, he secretly instructed his goblins, orcs, Dunlendings etc. allies to specifically go after designated enemies and to leave his men and he alone while at the same time he was helping kill them? And no, there is nothing that you can do to stop the good guys from being killed. They are all targeted and one-shot by enemies that you can't kill off in time. You can't even come to the conclusion that he might be the secret traitor that you are specifically looking for even though there are about fifty different occasions where he or his men act suspiciously. It finally comes down to an NPC pointing out that he's the evil traitor.

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** * Done in Lord of the Rings Online with the Broadacres plotline. One of the Thanes is secretly in league with Saruman and is betraying his own Reeve as well as his own country. One by one, the other servants of his liege, Reeve Frithild, are killed off until he finally secretly poisons Frithild and takes her position. This would be more impressive if it weren't for the fact that all of the deaths of her faithful retainers are happening right next to you *in battle* by random mooks. Meanwhile, the evil Thane Ordlac and his Dragon Dudsig are *also* next to you helping fight the same mooks. So, he secretly instructed his goblins, orcs, Dunlendings etc. allies to specifically go after designated enemies and to leave his men and he alone while at the same time he was helping kill them? And no, there is nothing that you can do to stop the good guys from being killed. They are all targeted and one-shot by enemies that you can't kill off in time. You can't even come to the conclusion that he might be the secret traitor that you are specifically looking for even though there are about fifty different occasions where he or his men act suspiciously. It finally comes down to an NPC pointing out that he's the evil traitor.
15th Nov '16 1:21:20 PM Discar
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* At the end of the "Professor Madblood and the Doppelganger Gambit" arc in ''Webcomic/{{Narbonic}}'', Helen claims the whole chaotic sequence of events was her plan. As the series goes on, it's hinted that she plans a great deal more than typically believed - Artie at one point suspects everything about him was engineered so that he could save Helen's life at one crucial, impossible-to-predict moment. Helen ''is'' a megalomaniac (albeit an extremely cute one), so some or all of this could be from her own self-aggrandizing. Indeed, in another comic in "Doppelganger Gambit", she explicitly claims a fondness for the IndyPloy approach: "It's times like these I almost question my usual strategy of doing whatever dumb thing pops into my head." It's possible she masterplans things at a subconcious level which then tells her concious mind to do seemingly random things - in another "Doppelganger Gambit" strip Artie says her mind operates on a different level from his, making him [[TheChessmaster a cog in her machine]] (and he's a genius himself) and Dave points out she also [[CloudCuckoolander giggles while trying to set herself on fire]]. Artie then sums it up as "That's [[MadScientist mad genius]] for you. It's a sort of brain potluck."

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* ''Webcomic/{{Narbonic}}'':
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At the end of the "Professor Madblood and the Doppelganger Gambit" arc in ''Webcomic/{{Narbonic}}'', arc, Helen claims the whole chaotic sequence of events was her plan. As the series goes on, it's hinted that she plans a great deal more than typically believed - Artie at one point suspects everything about him was engineered so that he could save Helen's life at one crucial, impossible-to-predict moment. believed. Helen ''is'' a megalomaniac (albeit an extremely cute one), so some or all of this could be from her own self-aggrandizing. self-aggrandizing.
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Indeed, in another comic in "Doppelganger Gambit", she explicitly claims a fondness for the IndyPloy approach: "It's times like these I almost question my usual strategy of doing whatever dumb thing pops into my head." It's possible she masterplans things at a subconcious level which then tells her concious conscious mind to do seemingly random things - in things.
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another "Doppelganger Gambit" strip strip, Artie says her mind operates on a different level from his, making him [[TheChessmaster a cog in her machine]] (and he's a genius himself) himself).
--->'''Dave:''' She's currently giggling
and Dave points out she also [[CloudCuckoolander giggles while trying to set herself on fire]]. Artie then sums it up as "That's fire.\\
'''Artie:''' That's
[[MadScientist mad genius]] for you. It's a sort of brain potluck."potluck.
** Artie at one point suspects everything about him--from his intelligence, to his morality, to his shapeshifting ability--was engineered so that he could save Helen's life at one crucial, impossible-to-predict moment. He then wryly notes that it would be perfectly in-character for her to pull off such an insane plan when she could have easily just avoided the dangerous situation in the first place.
14th Nov '16 6:35:56 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The entire casino heist and everything after was all part of a plan by the Thieves to [[spoiler:turn Sae to their side and fake the Protagonist's death, so that they could expose the traitor in their party, find out who their boss is, and throw TheConspiracy off the thieves trail for awhile. However, as everyone points out, nobody knew what would happen past the Protagonist's capture, and the entire plan [[BatmanGambit hinged on the Protagonist appealing to Sae's long lost sense of justice]]. Further, the interrogators drugged the protagonist, messing him up so much that he didn't even remember that there was a plan until the tail end of his talk with Sae.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The entire casino heist and everything after was all part of a plan by the Thieves to [[spoiler:turn Sae to their side and fake the Protagonist's death, so that they could expose the traitor in their party, find out who their boss is, and throw TheConspiracy off the thieves trail for awhile. ]] However, as everyone points out, nobody knew what would happen past the Protagonist's capture, and the entire plan [[BatmanGambit hinged on the Protagonist appealing to Sae's long lost sense of justice]]. Further, the interrogators drugged the protagonist, messing him up so much that he didn't even remember that there was a plan until the tail end of his talk with Sae.]]
14th Nov '16 6:34:38 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The entire casino heist and everything after was all part of a plan by the Thieves to [[spoiler:turn Sae to their side and fake the Protagonist's death, so that they could expose the traitor in their party, find out who their boss is, and throw TheConspiracy off the thieves trail for awhile. However, as everyone points out, nobody knew what would happen past the Protagonist's capture, and the entire plan [[BatmanGambit hinged on the Protagonist appealing to Sae's long lost sense of justice]]. Further, the interrogators drugged the protagonist, messing him up so much that he didn't even remember that there was a plan until the tail end of his talk with Sae.]]
12th Nov '16 2:22:13 PM SirTiki
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* There's an UrbanLegend that on his death in 1966, WaltDisney left a series of films dictating in detail exactly how every aspect of Walt Disney Productions was to progress for the next twenty years -- films ''directly addressed'' to the various members of the staff, as if he were still in conference with all of them. As Snopes [[http://snopes.com/disney/wdco/dejaview.asp points out]], all you'd need do to demonstrate the fallacy of this legend is to look at the company's awful track record in the 1970s: if Walt was still dictating the direction of his studio from beyond the grave, then clearly they wouldn't be churning out movies like ''The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes'' and ''Now You See Him, Now You Don't''.

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* There's an UrbanLegend that on his death in 1966, WaltDisney left a series of films dictating in detail exactly how every aspect of Walt Disney Productions was to progress for the next twenty years -- films ''directly addressed'' to the various members of the staff, as if he were still in conference with all of them. As Snopes [[http://snopes.com/disney/wdco/dejaview.asp points out]], all you'd need do to demonstrate the fallacy of this legend is to look at the company's awful track record in the 1970s: if Walt was still dictating the direction of his studio from beyond the grave, then clearly they wouldn't be have been churning out movies like ''The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes'' and ''Now You See Him, Now You Don't''.
9th Nov '16 6:45:18 PM HighCrate
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** The original Wicker Man had shades of this as well. Lord Summerisle explained at the end of the film they needed a person from the mainland who wouldn't stop looking for the girl, and assume he has command over the islanders, and who also would resist even the most blatant of sexual advances. Aside from knowing all that about Howie personally (he mentions "painstaking research"), or that Howie would be sent to the island to investigate, he was able to jerk Howie around, assumingly with the cooperation of the entire island. There was certainly no way of knowing Howie was going to dress up as The Fool by stealing someone else's costume. The only really direct way he kept Howie in line was sabotaging his plane so he couldn't leave.

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** The In the original Wicker Man had shades of this as well. Man, Lord Summerisle explained at the end of the film they needed a person from the mainland who wouldn't stop looking for the girl, and assume he has command over the islanders, and who also would resist even the most blatant of sexual advances. Aside from knowing all that about Howie personally (he mentions "painstaking research"), or that Howie would be sent to the island to investigate, he was able to jerk Howie around, assumingly with the cooperation of the entire island. There was certainly no way of knowing Howie was going to dress up as The Fool by stealing someone else's costume. The only really direct way he kept Howie in line was sabotaging his plane so he couldn't leave.
5th Nov '16 12:24:49 AM trixus
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* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in the middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters that Hiruma actually knows the odds of all his plans and only use them against teams way above his rookie team's level, one included [[spoiler: throwing a long pass with his '''broken''' arm, hoping his receiver would counter the cornerback reach and grab technique, which until that point never could, and keep playing the remaining time of the game with his broken arm.]]

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* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in the middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters that Hiruma actually knows the odds of all his plans gambits and only use them the sink or swim ones against teams way above his rookie team's level, one included [[spoiler: throwing level since they already needed a long pass with his '''broken''' arm, hoping his receiver would counter miracle to win anyway so might as well plan one. It's even referred as a SignatureMove by the cornerback reach and grab technique, which until that point never could, and keep playing the remaining time end of the game with his broken arm.]] series: Hiruma's Demon Magic.
5th Nov '16 12:04:32 AM trixus
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* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in the middle of an intense play.

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* [[MagnificentBastard Hiruma]], the quarterback of the Deimon Devilbats, of ''Manga/Eyeshield21''. Most of the quarterbacks, actually. Takami of Ojou White Knights and Hiruma once had a "Is that what you thought I'd say?" battle in the middle of an intense play. It was noted by other characters that Hiruma actually knows the odds of all his plans and only use them against teams way above his rookie team's level, one included [[spoiler: throwing a long pass with his '''broken''' arm, hoping his receiver would counter the cornerback reach and grab technique, which until that point never could, and keep playing the remaining time of the game with his broken arm.]]
28th Oct '16 7:34:44 AM rjd1922
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* In VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors [[BigBad Zero's]] plan included: Seven coming up with code names for everyone [[{{Irony}} so Zero wouldn't know their identities]], Lotus randomly talking about some crazy theory she just came up with and she herself didn't take seriously, so she'd mention prosopagnosia to Junpei or Ace entering the room when Junpei and Clover had conversation about[[spoiler: the first Nonary Game]] ''just'' as Clover was about to say[[spoiler: the name of girl who died back then.]] Any of these events not happening would've put Zero's plan in tight spot.[[spoiler: Justified as Zero had glimpse in the future nine years before game events so she ''could'' have known this would happen.]]

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* In VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' [[BigBad Zero's]] plan included: Seven coming up with code names for everyone [[{{Irony}} so Zero wouldn't know their identities]], Lotus randomly talking about some crazy theory she just came up with and she herself didn't take seriously, so she'd mention prosopagnosia to Junpei or Ace entering the room when Junpei and Clover had conversation about[[spoiler: the first Nonary Game]] ''just'' as Clover was about to say[[spoiler: the name of girl who died back then.]] Any of these events not happening would've put Zero's plan in tight spot.[[spoiler: Justified as Zero had glimpse in the future nine years before game events so she ''could'' have known this would happen.]]
26th Oct '16 12:57:50 PM Somariel
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** ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'': Luke's plan to rescue Han from Jabba the Hutt seems oddly elaborate for a simple rescue plan, but it also relies on a ton of convenient coincidences that he couldn't possibly have predicted. Before making his entrance, he has his friends infiltrate the palace with various alibis and disguises, with Lando disguised as a guard, Leia disguised as a bounty hunter, Chewbacca posing as Leia's prisoner, and R2-D2 and C-3PO sent under the pretense of being gifts from Luke. Leia manages to unfreeze Han from his carbonite block while in disguise, but she's caught and imprisoned herself before she can sneak him out of the palace. Later, when Luke enters the palace, Jabba tries to kill him by dropping him into the Rancor pit, but Luke successfully manages to kill the Rancor and survive. That convinces Jabba to take the Rebels out into the desert to execute them ''en masse'' at the Pit of Carkoon, giving Luke and co. the perfect opportunity to stage an uprising and escape together after Luke retrieves his lightsaber hidden inside R2-D2. It works perfectly, but the entire plan would have been shot if...
*** A) Jabba had refused to accept the droids as gifts, knowing full well that they were loyal servants of one of his enemies.
*** B) Jabba had simply left Han and/or Chewbacca in the dungeons instead of taking them out to be executed alongside Luke.
*** C) Jabba had killed Han on the spot after he was unfrozen, rather than leaving him free and mobile.
*** D) Jabba had killed ''Leia'' on the spot for unfreezing Han, rather than pressing her into service as a dancing girl.
*** E) Jabba's servants hadn't given the droids jobs on the sail barge.
*** F) Jabba had decided to execute the Rebels in his palace instead of flying them out into the desert.
*** G) Leia hadn't successfully unfrozen Han in the middle of Jabba's main audience chamber, while surrounded by dozens of his minions.
*** H) Leia ''had'' successfully unfrozen Han and snuck him out of the palace, [[MortonsFork leaving Chewbacca and the droids behind]].

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** ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'': Luke's plan to rescue Han from Jabba the Hutt seems oddly elaborate for a simple rescue plan, but it also relies on a ton of convenient coincidences that he couldn't possibly have predicted. Before making his entrance, he has his friends infiltrate the palace with various alibis and disguises, with Lando disguised as a guard, Leia disguised as a bounty hunter, Chewbacca posing as Leia's prisoner, and R2-D2 and C-3PO sent under the pretense of being gifts from Luke. Leia manages to unfreeze Han from his carbonite block while in disguise, but she's caught and imprisoned herself before she can sneak him out %%Return of the palace. Later, when Luke enters the palace, Jabba tries Jedi entry moved to kill him by dropping him into the Rancor pit, but Luke successfully manages to kill the Rancor and survive. That convinces Jabba to take the Rebels out into the desert to execute them ''en masse'' at the Pit of Carkoon, giving Luke and co. the perfect opportunity to stage an uprising and escape together after Luke retrieves his lightsaber hidden inside R2-D2. It works perfectly, but the entire plan would have been shot if...
*** A) Jabba had refused to accept the droids as gifts, knowing full well that they were loyal servants of one of his enemies.
*** B) Jabba had simply left Han and/or Chewbacca in the dungeons instead of taking them out to be executed alongside Luke.
*** C) Jabba had killed Han on the spot after he was unfrozen, rather than leaving him free and mobile.
*** D) Jabba had killed ''Leia'' on the spot for unfreezing Han, rather than pressing her into service as a dancing girl.
*** E) Jabba's servants hadn't given the droids jobs on the sail barge.
*** F) Jabba had decided to execute the Rebels in his palace instead of flying them out into the desert.
*** G) Leia hadn't successfully unfrozen Han in the middle of Jabba's main audience chamber, while surrounded by dozens of his minions.
*** H) Leia ''had'' successfully unfrozen Han and snuck him out of the palace, [[MortonsFork leaving Chewbacca and the droids behind]].
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