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15th Jul '16 9:35:54 AM Willbyr
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* Yuuko of ''Manga/XxxHOLiC'' and ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' seems to be aware of all "effects" to all "costs" via Wishes and manipulates them together to affect the future in ways mere mortals can't possibly predict. Yuuko's one limitation is that only other people can initiate Wishes, and she has to be a LiteralGenie to get the result she wants. Things get complicated when the villain of ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' uses his ability to see the future through dreams to manipulate fate this way too, often with the ''same'' costs and effects. There are other dreamseers in the series pulling strings as well, but most of them are allied with either Yuuko or Fei Wong and incorporated into their plans. Also, every member of the initial party is somehow working for Yuuko or Fei Wong. All of them had been previously manipulated by the two [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] into the circumstances which led them to Yuuko's shop. Only one of them knows which side he's playing for from the beginning, but even his memories were changed to better serve the BigBad. Topping it off, everything both of them planned was secretly part of Clow Reed's plan, which also incorporated the entire plot of Manga/CardcaptorSakura. Clow has been dead for centuries.

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* Yuuko of ''Manga/XxxHOLiC'' and ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' seems to be aware of all "effects" to all "costs" via Wishes and manipulates them together to affect the future in ways mere mortals can't possibly predict. Yuuko's one limitation is that only other people can initiate Wishes, and she has to be a LiteralGenie to get the result she wants. Things get complicated when the villain of ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' ''Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle'' uses his ability to see the future through dreams to manipulate fate this way too, often with the ''same'' costs and effects. There are other dreamseers in the series pulling strings as well, but most of them are allied with either Yuuko or Fei Wong and incorporated into their plans. Also, every member of the initial party is somehow working for Yuuko or Fei Wong. All of them had been previously manipulated by the two [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] into the circumstances which led them to Yuuko's shop. Only one of them knows which side he's playing for from the beginning, but even his memories were changed to better serve the BigBad. Topping it off, everything both of them planned was secretly part of Clow Reed's plan, which also incorporated the entire plot of Manga/CardcaptorSakura.''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''. Clow has been dead for centuries.
10th Jul '16 4:29:21 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* In the retcon type, it has been revealed that WWE's Wrestling/{{Kane}} has been working a plan that's equal parts this and IndyPloy since he debuted fourteen years ago, the overall goal to be to exact vengeance against his {{kayfabe}} brother TheUndertaker by overcoming him and taking his place as the dominant force in the WWE. One thing that really puts this one over the top - Kane's ultimate success came in the form of burying Undertaker alive. This fourteen year plan involved doing so ''twice'' before that.
* In ''{{TNA}}'', the recent Eric Bischoff / HulkHogan angle paints the both as cunning schemers of Machiavellian levels though many elements of their scheme (JeffHardy being able to make it to the World Title Tournament finals & Dixie Carter foolishly signing a contract without even ''looking'' at it) would completely unravel the scheme if it had not gone precisely in their favor, requiring the conspirators to either be insanely lucky or nigh-omniscient.
** There is also the fact that they had plenty of opportunities to get the World title on either JeffHardy or Abyss that were much more convenient than the Triple Threat match at ''Bound for Glory''. For example, at ''Victory Road'' 2010, there was a Fatal Four Way match involving Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss vs. Mr. Anderson vs. Wrestling/RobVanDam, or at ''The Whole F'n Show'' where they had Abyss vs. RobVanDam with Eric Bischoff as the guest referee.
** That's not even mentioning the fact that Wrestling/KevinNash, Wrestling/{{Sting}}, and The Pope had figured out the plot (or at least a general idea of what would happen), but instead of politely informing Dixie Carter or the TNA fans of what would happen, they started talking in riddles and attacking people without any given reason to the point where [[FaceHeelTurn they became heels in the storyline]]. They even challenged HulkHogan to be a part of a match against him on the date of the reveal, even though he was recovering from major back surgery. Had Nash, Sting, and Pope acted like mature adults in the storyline, the Gambit Roulette would have probably failed.

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* In the retcon type, it has been revealed that WWE's Wrestling/{{Kane}} has been working a plan that's equal parts this and IndyPloy since he debuted fourteen years ago, the overall goal to be to exact vengeance against his {{kayfabe}} brother TheUndertaker Wrestling/TheUndertaker by overcoming him and taking his place as the dominant force in the WWE. One thing that really puts this one over the top - Kane's ultimate success came in the form of burying Undertaker alive. This fourteen year plan involved doing so ''twice'' before that.
* In ''{{TNA}}'', ''Wrestling/{{TNA}}'', the recent Eric Bischoff Wrestling/EricBischoff / HulkHogan Wrestling/HulkHogan angle paints the both as cunning schemers of Machiavellian levels though many elements of their scheme (JeffHardy (Wrestling/JeffHardy being able to make it to the World Title Tournament finals & Dixie Carter foolishly signing a contract without even ''looking'' at it) would completely unravel the scheme if it had not gone precisely in their favor, requiring the conspirators to either be insanely lucky or nigh-omniscient.
** There is also the fact that they had plenty of opportunities to get the World title on either JeffHardy Jeff Hardy or Abyss that were much more convenient than the Triple Threat match at ''Bound for Glory''. For example, at ''Victory Road'' 2010, there was a Fatal Four Way match involving Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss vs. [[Wrestling/KenAnderson Mr. Anderson Anderson]] vs. Wrestling/RobVanDam, or at ''The Whole F'n Show'' where they had Abyss vs. RobVanDam Rob Van Dam with Eric Bischoff as the guest referee.
** That's not even mentioning the fact that Wrestling/KevinNash, Wrestling/{{Sting}}, and The Pope had figured out the plot (or at least a general idea of what would happen), but instead of politely informing Dixie Carter or the TNA fans of what would happen, they started talking in riddles and attacking people without any given reason to the point where [[FaceHeelTurn they became heels in the storyline]]. They even challenged HulkHogan Hulk Hogan to be a part of a match against him on the date of the reveal, even though he was recovering from major back surgery. Had Nash, Sting, and Pope acted like mature adults in the storyline, the Gambit Roulette would have probably failed.



* The Higher Power plot involving the MinistryOfDarkness was started MONTHS before their slated goal was even needed, depended on their target acting very much out of character, and disregarded simpler, much more assured ways to accompllish their purpose.

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* The Higher Power plot involving the MinistryOfDarkness Wrestling/MinistryOfDarkness was started MONTHS before their slated goal was even needed, depended on their target acting very much out of character, and disregarded simpler, much more assured ways to accompllish their purpose.
8th Jul '16 4:14:59 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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* In the climax of Disney's ''Disney/Aladdin'', Aladdin tricks EvilSorcerer Jafar by pointing out to him that he's still not as powerful as the Genie who gave him his power in the first place. This leads to Jafar wishing to become "an all-powerful genie", which is a bad idea because Genies are naturally enslaved beings bound to serve the wishes of their master, which gets Jafar stuck in a magic lamp for 10 thousand years. Except this whole plan would have backfired spectacularly, had Jafar just wished to be "more powerful than the Genie", which was an equally likely reaction to Aladdin's remark.
7th Jul '16 8:56:01 PM Discar
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** Styggron in "The Android Invasion" has a plan for invading the Earth and it's probably the worst one ever. He starts by creating a near-exact duplicate of a little English village and filling it with robot duplicates as a 'training simulation', only he also creates a killer virus that can wipe out everyone on Earth with a single drop. He locates the lost astronaut Crayford and convinces him to turn against Earth by telling him he's put him back together after an explosion, telling him that his left eye was lost and giving him an eyepatch, despite Crayford never have being injured and still having an eye under his patch (uh...). When the Doctor and Sarah arrive (consider that they are [[OutsideContextVillain Outside Context Heroes]] whose arrival is completely unpredictable), they run into space-suited guards Styggron has positioned there, who lock the Doctor up in the prison Styggron built in the town he didn't expect anyone to visit. He manages to capture the Doctor, ties him to a memorial with plastic ivy and tries to blow him up, attempts to kill him with an AgonyBeam body scanner that allows him to produce a duplicate Doctor, and attempts to poison Sarah with prison water, but also creates an android Sarah to help the Doctor and tell him useful information (specifically, she tells him about the android duplicates, something he hadn't figured out at that point). The Doctor suggests that Styggron is feeding him information to find out how smart he is, but it's never made clear why. Maybe he was trying to lure the Doctor into facing his android double on Earth... but why? It's entirely possible Styggron doesn't even understand his own plot and was more interested in having fun playing model villages with his androids.

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** Styggron in "The Android Invasion" has a plan for invading the Earth and it's probably the worst one ever. He starts by creating a near-exact duplicate of a little English village and filling it with robot duplicates as a 'training simulation', only he also creates a killer virus that can wipe out everyone on Earth with a single drop. He locates the lost astronaut Crayford and convinces him to turn against Earth by telling him he's put him back together after an explosion, telling him that his left eye was lost and giving him an eyepatch, despite Crayford never have being injured and still having an eye under his patch (uh...). When the Doctor and Sarah arrive (consider that they are [[OutsideContextVillain [[OutsideContextProblem Outside Context Heroes]] whose arrival is completely unpredictable), they run into space-suited guards Styggron has positioned there, who lock the Doctor up in the prison Styggron built in the town he didn't expect anyone to visit. He manages to capture the Doctor, ties him to a memorial with plastic ivy and tries to blow him up, attempts to kill him with an AgonyBeam body scanner that allows him to produce a duplicate Doctor, and attempts to poison Sarah with prison water, but also creates an android Sarah to help the Doctor and tell him useful information (specifically, she tells him about the android duplicates, something he hadn't figured out at that point). The Doctor suggests that Styggron is feeding him information to find out how smart he is, but it's never made clear why. Maybe he was trying to lure the Doctor into facing his android double on Earth... but why? It's entirely possible Styggron doesn't even understand his own plot and was more interested in having fun playing model villages with his androids.
3rd Jul '16 5:51:47 PM nombretomado
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* In Franchise/{{LEGO}}'s ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'' universe, the main villain of every story year so far, Makuta Teridax, has been defeated several times, but has revealed that he has, in fact, ''planned'' for every possible setback ahead of time. The Gambit Roulette is still turning, in fact, as he planned for all of the following to happen: the destruction of his own body, the death of the benevolent Great Spirit Mata Nui, the subsequent resurrection of said spirit, the rest of the world believing him dead... And the odd thing is, he seems to be the only one. There seems to be no GambitPileup coming, no (glaringly obvious) DeusExMachina, just a slow slide towards his victory, trying to keep him from winning as long as possible. Quite dark for a MerchandiseDriven children's story. It went [[Manga/DeathNote exactly as planned]]. Makuta committed GrandTheftMe on Mata Nui just as his soul was about to return to his body, becoming the universe as a result and banishing Mata Nui into a SoulJar and out of the Matoran Universe.

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* In Franchise/{{LEGO}}'s ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'' ''Toys/{{BIONICLE}}'' universe, the main villain of every story year so far, Makuta Teridax, has been defeated several times, but has revealed that he has, in fact, ''planned'' for every possible setback ahead of time. The Gambit Roulette is still turning, in fact, as he planned for all of the following to happen: the destruction of his own body, the death of the benevolent Great Spirit Mata Nui, the subsequent resurrection of said spirit, the rest of the world believing him dead... And the odd thing is, he seems to be the only one. There seems to be no GambitPileup coming, no (glaringly obvious) DeusExMachina, just a slow slide towards his victory, trying to keep him from winning as long as possible. Quite dark for a MerchandiseDriven children's story. It went [[Manga/DeathNote exactly as planned]]. Makuta committed GrandTheftMe on Mata Nui just as his soul was about to return to his body, becoming the universe as a result and banishing Mata Nui into a SoulJar and out of the Matoran Universe.
2nd Jul '16 9:27:11 PM comicwriter
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* The final part of Zemo's master plan in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' relies on a lot of chance. The whole thing would have fallen apart if...
** A) CaptainAmerica and {{Bucky|Barnes}} had captured Zemo before Comicbook/IronMan arrived.
** B) Iron Man had not figured out where Cap and Bucky were headed in the first place.
** C) Iron Man had not come alone, meaning there might have been someone to restrain him or talk him down after he learned the truth.
** D) Comicbook/BlackPanther had actually succeeded in killing Bucky during one of their ''three'' fights during the course of the film.
26th Jun '16 4:10:06 PM Divra
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** ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'' has a subversion: When [[spoiler: Corran Horn]] shows up with information that can exonerate [[spoiler: Tycho Celchu]] the prosecutor tries to argue that he is an Imperial plant. This is however summarily thrown out by the judge, who points out for that to be true, the Imperials would have had to have information they could not have had in the relevant timeframe, and would be a sign of near perfect precognition.
4th Jun '16 3:01:59 PM lavendermintrose
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* The events of the first season of ''Anime/{{K}}'' were a plan of this sort from the Green King. Really, being the King of Chaos, he might not have cared ''what'' happened - his main goal was [[spoiler: drawing the Silver King out from hiding]] - but he seems to have put enough faith in the Silver King to know that he would come out on top after all of this - and considering that the Silver King has been ''alone in an airship with no contact with anyone for seventy years'', and that he does [[NighInvulnerable nearly]] get himself killed in solving it, that is a lot of faith to put in him.
4th Jun '16 8:04:46 AM nombretomado
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* Both 3D PS2 ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' games have plots that sneak suspiciously close to this. ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'' more so than ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'', as in ''Curse of Darkness'' [[spoiler:Dracula]] is wirepulling everything from behind the scenes, and there's perhaps only one character he has no major influence over - Julia. Anyhow, Isaac's devious and original scheme is ''Dracula's'' devious and original scheme. Hector even spells it out in the end. ''Lament of Innocence'' sees Mathias playing some serious hardcore roulette, and it's actually quite terrifying to see how much of a 'Master tactician' he is. For that plan to work, everything would have had to unfold exactly as it does in the game. Which it does. He is a scary, scary man.

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* Both 3D PS2 [=PS2=] ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' games have plots that sneak suspiciously close to this. ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'' more so than ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'', as in ''Curse of Darkness'' [[spoiler:Dracula]] is wirepulling everything from behind the scenes, and there's perhaps only one character he has no major influence over - Julia. Anyhow, Isaac's devious and original scheme is ''Dracula's'' devious and original scheme. Hector even spells it out in the end. ''Lament of Innocence'' sees Mathias playing some serious hardcore roulette, and it's actually quite terrifying to see how much of a 'Master tactician' he is. For that plan to work, everything would have had to unfold exactly as it does in the game. Which it does. He is a scary, scary man.
15th May '16 5:23:45 AM SeaRover
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** And it's after this that the boys demand to know who else Konata and Misao are friends with, so that they can terrorize all of them too. The rest of those girls (besides Yutaka, who is being held hostage) currently have no idea that any of this is going on; why would they want to get them involved in this whole thing now and make more work and higher risk of arrest for themselves?

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** And it's after this that the boys demand to know who else Konata and Misao are friends with, so that they can terrorize all of them too. The rest of those girls (besides Yutaka, who is being held hostage) Yutaka) currently have no idea that any of this is going on; why would they want to get them involved in this whole thing now and make more work and higher risk of arrest for themselves?
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