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27th Mar '18 7:36:56 PM Morgenthaler
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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways.

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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}. However, this can in turn be highlighted in-story if the other characters point out that FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this it fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways.
12th Mar '18 4:30:55 PM AHI-3000
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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}.

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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}.
{{Wangst}}. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways.



Most [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] are known for having brutal childhoods.



Many CrimeAndPunishmentSeries (and DarkerAndEdgier {{superhero}} comics) are notorious for WriterOnBoard stories deconstructing the Freudian Excuse. At least once per storyline, there will be a slimy psychiatrist or defense attorney who declares that the [[AxCrazy Neck-Chopping Killer]] is merely a victim of circumstances, and it's the hero who should be locked away. These stories tend to end with said psychiatrist or defense attorney getting murdered by the killer, which is depicted as poetic {{Irony}}.

{{Fandom}}s often have a tendency to create these out of whole cloth for a DracoInLeatherPants.

A variation of this trope, is not being used on a villain or evil character, just making an explanation on how a good or neutral character got a vice.

Takes the "It's Nurture" position of the "NatureVersusNurture" argument. For the Nature position, see InTheBlood.

A thing to remember about this trope is that '''FreudianExcuse is not an inherently "bad" trope.''' [[TropesAreTools Like any trope, there are good examples of its usage just as much as there are bad examples of its usage.]] Make sure to keep this in mind in regards to adding examples about this trope.

Contrast UpbringingMakesTheHero.

See also DarkAndTroubledPast, StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)

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Many CrimeAndPunishmentSeries (and DarkerAndEdgier {{superhero}} comics) are notorious for WriterOnBoard stories [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse deconstructing the Freudian Excuse.Excuse]]. At least once per storyline, there will be a slimy psychiatrist or defense attorney who declares that the [[AxCrazy Neck-Chopping Killer]] is merely a victim of circumstances, and it's the hero who should be locked away. These stories tend to end with said psychiatrist or defense attorney getting murdered by the killer, which is depicted as poetic {{Irony}}.

{{Fandom}}s often have a tendency to create these out of whole cloth for a DracoInLeatherPants.

A variation of this trope, is
However, not being used on a villain or evil character, just making an explanation on how a good or neutral character got a vice.

Takes the "It's Nurture" position of the "NatureVersusNurture" argument. For the Nature position, see InTheBlood.

A thing to remember about this trope is that '''FreudianExcuse is not an inherently "bad" trope.''' [[TropesAreTools Like any trope, there are good
all examples of its usage just as much as there are bad examples Freudian Excuses have to involve evil or villainous characters. It can also be used to explain the neurotic behaviors of its usage.]] Make sure to keep even heroic or otherwise neutral characters.

See FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse for deconstructions of
this in mind in regards to adding examples about this trope.

Contrast UpbringingMakesTheHero.

trope. See also DarkAndTroubledPast, StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make Takes the character ''worse'', since they reject "It's Nurture" position of the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. "NatureVersusNurture" argument; for the Nature position, see InTheBlood. Contrast UpbringingMakesTheHero.

Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)
4th Mar '18 10:49:36 PM AHI-3000
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See also StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)

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See also DarkAndTroubledPast, StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)
2nd Jan '18 10:26:12 PM Galaxithea
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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and that's why he's an OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}.

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Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his father beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious AppealToPity that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}.
2nd Dec '17 9:16:27 PM Theriocephalus
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Sometimes, causes FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse.

See also StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, the FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse and fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)

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Sometimes, causes FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse.

See also StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, the FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse and this fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)
2nd Dec '17 4:49:31 PM Arcana4th
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Sometimes, causes FreudianExcuseIsNoEscuse.

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Sometimes, causes FreudianExcuseIsNoEscuse.
FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse.
2nd Dec '17 4:49:15 PM Arcana4th
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Sometimes, causes FreudianExcuseIsNoEscuse.
30th Nov '17 6:43:09 PM Theriocephalus
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See also StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, the Freudian Excuse fails to justify anything, merely explain and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)

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See also StartOfDarkness, MonsterSobStory, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and WhosLaughingNow. In cases of {{Complete Monster}}s, the Freudian Excuse FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse and fails to justify anything, merely explain explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they reject the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways. Not to be confused with FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)
22nd Nov '17 11:27:01 AM ectostar
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Contrast UpbringingMakesTheHero.
31st Oct '17 5:32:27 AM HighCrate
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Most [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]] are known for having brutal childhoods.

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Most [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]] Knights Templar]] are known for having brutal childhoods.
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