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12th Nov '16 12:27:02 PM Bassball_Batman
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The dynamics for this trope are very effective because it combines the best parts of a RedOniBlueOni binary (The Cynic vs The Optimist) and a PowerTrio, (The Cynic - The Realist - The Optimist) placing The Realist in between the two opposing views, along with a fourth member (The Apathetic) to contrast all of them at once, including a fourth dimension to the argument, and even the potential for a fifth to be conflicted over the issue, often resulting in a ThreePlusTwo. All of this in a package that can even be coupled with the FourTemperamentEnsemble for double the fun. This is [[SeriousBusiness some serious]] CastCalculus.

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The dynamics for this trope are very effective because it combines the best parts of a GoodCopBadCop or a RedOniBlueOni binary (The Cynic vs The Optimist) and a PowerTrio, (The Cynic - The Realist - The Optimist) placing The Realist in between the two opposing views, along with a fourth member (The Apathetic) to contrast all of them at once, including a fourth dimension to the argument, and even the potential for a fifth to be conflicted over the issue, often resulting in a ThreePlusTwo. All of this in a package that can even be coupled with the FourTemperamentEnsemble for double the fun. This is [[SeriousBusiness some serious]] CastCalculus.



** ''Most Common Perspective'': BlueAndOrangeMorality, ItAmusedMe, BystanderSyndrome (accompanied often by BlackAndGrayMorality)
** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperament]]'': Eclectic, sometimes Melancholic, on rare occasions Choleric [[note]]knowing the exception that a melancholic is very unlikely to be Apathetic to an accepted norm that is logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core[[/note]].

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** ''Most Common Perspective'': BlueAndOrangeMorality, ItAmusedMe, BystanderSyndrome (accompanied often by BlackAndGrayMorality)
(which may add '''black''' to morality views)
** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperament]]'': Eclectic, sometimes Melancholic, on rare occasions Choleric [[note]]knowing the exception that a melancholic is very unlikely to be Apathetic to an accepted norm that is logically/morally unsound and or corrupt at its core[[/note]].



** ''Most Common Perspective'': GreyAndGrayMorality, {{Blue and Orange|Morality}} with Grey Morality

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** ''Most Common Perspective'': GreyAndGrayMorality, {{Blue and Orange|Morality}} with Grey MoralityMorality (although binds self to BlackAndWhiteMorality)
9th Nov '16 1:21:56 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Common Attributes'': Logic, practicality, criticism, ReasonBeforeHonor, [[ShootTheDog free from sentiment fetters]]/[[IDidWhatIHadToDo does whatever's necessary]], DeadpanSnarker, hostility or antagonism, caution, prioritizes survival over other goals, skepticism, shoots first (''might'' ask questions later), lacks compassion for people unwilling to make painful choices, [[KillHimAlready deadly]] [[FinishHim battle-finisher]], disregard for social norms such as rules or politeness, questionable morality, book smart or street smart.

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** ''Common Attributes'': Logic, practicality, criticism, ReasonBeforeHonor, [[ShootTheDog free from sentiment fetters]]/[[IDidWhatIHadToDo does whatever's of guilt]] in [[IDidWhatIHadToDo doing what's necessary]], DeadpanSnarker, hostility or antagonism, caution, prioritizes survival over other goals, skepticism, shoots first (''might'' ask questions later), lacks compassion for people unwilling to make painful choices, [[KillHimAlready deadly]] [[FinishHim battle-finisher]], disregard for social norms such as rules or politeness, questionable morality, book smart or street smart.
7th Nov '16 6:27:20 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Common Attributes'': Logic, practicality, criticism, ReasonBeforeHonor, [[ShootTheDog free from sentiment fetters]], DeadpanSnarker, hostility or antagonism, caution, prioritizes survival over other goals, skepticism, shoots first (''might'' ask questions later), lacks compassion for people unwilling to make painful choices, [[KillHimAlready deadly]] [[FinishHim battle-finisher]], disregard for social norms such as rules or politeness, questionable morality, book smart or street smart.

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** ''Common Attributes'': Logic, practicality, criticism, ReasonBeforeHonor, [[ShootTheDog free from sentiment fetters]], fetters]]/[[IDidWhatIHadToDo does whatever's necessary]], DeadpanSnarker, hostility or antagonism, caution, prioritizes survival over other goals, skepticism, shoots first (''might'' ask questions later), lacks compassion for people unwilling to make painful choices, [[KillHimAlready deadly]] [[FinishHim battle-finisher]], disregard for social norms such as rules or politeness, questionable morality, book smart or street smart.



** ''Common Attributes'': Indecisive and conflicted, changeable, doesn't have or voice strong opinions, empathy, prioritizes peace and cohesion among the group, appeasement, self-doubt, lack of confidence, fear, need for approval, dependent, blind trust of others.

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** ''Common Attributes'': Indecisive and conflicted, conflicted ([[CaptainObvious duh!]]), changeable, doesn't have or voice strong opinions, empathy, good morality, prioritizes peace and cohesion among the group, appeasement, self-doubt, lack of confidence, fear, need for approval, dependent, blind trust of others.
5th Nov '16 10:25:16 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric [[note]]since the defiance of a melancholic Cynic is generally limited to civil disobedience of an accepted norm s/he knows to be logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core; a melancholic cynic is otherwise unusual[[/note]].

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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric [[note]]since the defiance of a melancholic Cynic is generally limited to civil disobedience of an accepted norm s/he knows to be logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core; a melancholic cynic is otherwise rather unusual[[/note]].
5th Nov '16 9:33:20 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric [[note]]since the defiance of a melancholic Cynic is generally limited to civil disobedience of an accepted norm s/he knows to be logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core[[/note]].

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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric [[note]]since the defiance of a melancholic Cynic is generally limited to civil disobedience of an accepted norm s/he knows to be logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core[[/note]].core; a melancholic cynic is otherwise unusual[[/note]].
5th Nov '16 2:40:44 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Common Characterizations'': A defiant {{Red Oni|Blue Oni}}, [[GoodCopBadCop Bad Cop]], TheCynic ([[CaptainObvious duh!]]), TheSpock, AntiHero, KnightInSourArmor, TheSnarkKnight, GrumpyBear, TheRival, TheUnfettered, OnlySaneMan, ByronicHero

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** ''Common Characterizations'': A defiant {{Red Oni|Blue Oni}}, pure [[GoodCopBadCop Bad Cop]], TheCynic ([[CaptainObvious duh!]]), TheSpock, AntiHero, KnightInSourArmor, TheSnarkKnight, GrumpyBear, TheRival, TheUnfettered, OnlySaneMan, ByronicHero



** ''Common Characterizations'': Either [[RedOniBlueOni Oni type]], {{Good Cop|Bad Cop}}, TheMcCoy, IdiotHero, ThePollyanna, TheFettered, IdealHero, NiceGuy, TheDeterminator, MessianicArchetype, PluckyGirl

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** ''Common Characterizations'': Either [[RedOniBlueOni Oni type]], pure {{Good Cop|Bad Cop}}, TheMcCoy, IdiotHero, ThePollyanna, TheFettered, IdealHero, NiceGuy, TheDeterminator, MessianicArchetype, PluckyGirl
3rd Nov '16 12:55:14 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Common Characterizations'': {{Red Oni|Blue Oni}} (usually), a {{Good Cop|Bad Cop}}, TheKirk, TheCaptain, SupportingLeader, TheFettered, OnlySaneMan, TeamMom / TeamDad, MentorArchetype, ReasonableAuthorityFigure
** ''Most Common Perspective'': GrayAndGreyMorality, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue-Orange]]-and-Grey Morality, [[BlackAndGrayMorality Any]][[WhiteAndGreyMorality thing]]-[[MoralityKitchenSink and-Grey]] Morality [[note]]These characters will often have the perspective that because both sides are fighting, a) neither side is truly good, or b) both sides honestly believe in what they fight for, but that the better choice would be to compromise[[/note]]

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** ''Common Characterizations'': {{Red Oni|Blue Oni}} (usually), a {{Good Cop|Bad Cop}}, TheKirk, TheCaptain, SupportingLeader, TheFettered, OnlySaneMan, OnlySaneMan (in certain ways), TeamMom / TeamDad, MentorArchetype, ReasonableAuthorityFigure
** ''Most Common Perspective'': GrayAndGreyMorality, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue-Orange]]-and-Grey Morality, [[BlackAndGrayMorality Any]][[WhiteAndGreyMorality thing]]-[[MoralityKitchenSink and-Grey]] {{Black|and Gray Morality}}/{{White|and Grey Morality}} with Grey Morality [[note]]These characters will often have the perspective that because both sides are fighting, a) neither side is truly good, or b) both sides honestly believe in what they fight for, but that the better choice would be to compromise[[/note]]compromise[[/note]], MoralityKitchenSink



** ''Most Common Perspective'': GreyAndGrayMorality, MoralityKitchenSink

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** ''Most Common Perspective'': GreyAndGrayMorality, MoralityKitchenSink{{Blue and Orange|Morality}} with Grey Morality



** ''UsefulNotes/MyersBriggs types in general'': '''IN[[superscript:_]][[superscript:_]]'''

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** ''UsefulNotes/MyersBriggs types in general'': '''IN[[superscript:_]][[superscript:_]]'''
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3rd Nov '16 12:35:51 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Common Attributes'': Determination, loyalty to ideals, HonorBeforeReason, morality or friendship over rules, self-sacrifice, feelings over facts, lack of forethought, disregard for consequences, stubbornness, optimism, blind faith, naivety, prioritizes 'the right thing' over survival.

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** ''Common Attributes'': Determination, loyalty to ideals, HonorBeforeReason, morality or friendship over rules, self-sacrifice, feelings over facts, lack of forethought, disregard for consequences, stubbornness, relentlessness (even stubbornness), optimism, blind faith, naivety, prioritizes 'the right thing' over survival.
3rd Nov '16 12:30:32 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric.

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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperaments]]'': in the skepticism/caution cases Melancholic; otherwise Choleric.Choleric [[note]]since the defiance of a melancholic Cynic is generally limited to civil disobedience of an accepted norm s/he knows to be logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core[[/note]].



** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperament]]'': Eclectic, sometimes Melancholic.

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** ''Most Common [[FourTemperamentEnsemble Temperament]]'': Eclectic, sometimes Melancholic.Melancholic, on rare occasions Choleric [[note]]knowing the exception that a melancholic is very unlikely to be Apathetic to an accepted norm that is logically/morally unsound and corrupt at its core[[/note]].
3rd Nov '16 12:09:16 PM Bassball_Batman
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** ''Most Common Perspective'': GrayAndGreyMorality, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue, Orange]] and Grey Morality [[BlackAndGrayMorality Any]][[WhiteAndGreyMorality thing]] [[MoralityKitchenSink and Grey]] Morality [[note]]These characters will often have the perspective that because both sides are fighting, a) neither side is truly good, or b) both sides honestly believe in what they fight for, but that the better choice would be to compromise[[/note]]

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** ''Most Common Perspective'': GrayAndGreyMorality, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue, Orange]] and Grey Morality Blue-Orange]]-and-Grey Morality, [[BlackAndGrayMorality Any]][[WhiteAndGreyMorality thing]] [[MoralityKitchenSink and Grey]] thing]]-[[MoralityKitchenSink and-Grey]] Morality [[note]]These characters will often have the perspective that because both sides are fighting, a) neither side is truly good, or b) both sides honestly believe in what they fight for, but that the better choice would be to compromise[[/note]]



** ''Most Common Perspective'': BlueAndOrangeMorality, ItAmusedMe, BystanderSyndrome

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** ''Most Common Perspective'': BlueAndOrangeMorality, ItAmusedMe, BystanderSyndromeBystanderSyndrome (accompanied often by BlackAndGrayMorality)
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