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8th Jan '16 6:20:58 PM trumpetmarietta
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* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', the final episodes from season one (Shockwave Part 1). As the crew visits a mining colony with a highly inflammable atmosphere the air suddenly ignites and the entire planet's surface is destroyed (along with the thousands or so of workers on it). While the officers claim to have followed procedures exactly it seems undeniable that the blast originated from the Enterprise's shuttle and the colonist's homeworld demands retribution while the Vulcans use it as another argument to get Enterprise out of space.
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* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', the final episodes from season one (Shockwave Part 1). As the crew visits a mining colony with a highly inflammable atmosphere the air suddenly ignites and the entire planet's surface is destroyed (along with the thousands or so of workers on it). While the officers claim to have followed procedures exactly it seems undeniable that the blast originated from the Enterprise's ''Enterprise''[='=]s shuttle and the colonist's homeworld demands retribution while the Vulcans use it as another argument to get Enterprise ''Enterprise'' out of space.
8th Jan '16 6:18:11 PM trumpetmarietta
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the ''[[CoolStarship Millennium Falcon]]'' successfully escapes the pursuit of an Imperal Star Destroyer in an asteroid field. Captain Needa, knowing full well what's going to happen, visits Vader personally to take full responsibility for his failure. Vader forgives him...after [[YouHaveFailedMe he executes Needa]] by way of implied force choke.
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the ''[[CoolStarship Millennium Falcon]]'' successfully escapes the pursuit of an Imperal Star Destroyer in an asteroid field. Captain Needa, knowing full well what's going to happen, visits Vader personally to take full responsibility for his failure. Vader forgives him...after [[YouHaveFailedMe he executes Needa]] by way of implied force Force choke.
8th Jan '16 6:18:00 PM trumpetmarietta
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the Millenium Falcon successfully escapes the pursuit of an Imperal Star Destroyer in an asteroid field. Captain Needa, knowing full well what's going to happen, visits Vader personally to take full responsibility for his failure. Vader forgives him...after [[YouHaveFailedMe he executes Needa]] by way of implied force choke.
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the Millenium Falcon ''[[CoolStarship Millennium Falcon]]'' successfully escapes the pursuit of an Imperal Star Destroyer in an asteroid field. Captain Needa, knowing full well what's going to happen, visits Vader personally to take full responsibility for his failure. Vader forgives him...after [[YouHaveFailedMe he executes Needa]] by way of implied force choke.
10th Jun '15 3:41:16 AM MechWarrior
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* In ''{{Trigun}}'', Vash [[FirstEpisodeSpoiler is such a pacifist]] that he holds himself liable for the deaths of people killed by the Villain. Thus, when people learn his identity, capture him, and proceed to torture him with every intention of eventually killing him, all he can do is submit. He even states that he's to blame. It's only the interference of those he's befriended that stops the violence and frees him.
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* In ''{{Trigun}}'', Vash [[FirstEpisodeSpoiler is such a pacifist]] that he holds himself liable for the deaths of people killed by the Villain.villain. Thus, when people learn his identity, capture him, and proceed to torture him with every intention of eventually killing him, all he can do is submit. He even states that he's to blame. It's only the interference of those he's befriended that stops the violence and frees him.
25th Feb '15 4:33:38 AM isoycrazy
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* ''Series/StargateSG1'' did this with Teal'c attempting to die for the murder of a local's father when he was Apophis's [[TheDragon First Prime]]. Naturally, the fact that Apophis had threatened to kill ''everybody'' if he didn't [[ShootTheDog kill one guy]] did little to touch the "judge", who was the victim's son. [[ValuesDissonance By design]].
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* ''Series/StargateSG1'' did this with Teal'c attempting to die for the murder of a local's father when he was Apophis's [[TheDragon First Prime]]. Naturally, the fact that Apophis had threatened to kill ''everybody'' if he didn't [[ShootTheDog kill one guy]] did little to touch the "judge", who was the victim's son. [[ValuesDissonance By design]]. Further complicating things is the people would run when the gate activates but [[NoOneGetsLeftBehind move at the pace of the slowest person]]. The man he killed is crippled and silently nods to be killed to help save more people the next time.
14th Feb '15 11:19:05 PM LucaEarlgrey
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[[folder:Film]] * In ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the Millenium Falcon successfully escapes the pursuit of an Imperal Star Destroyer in an asteroid field. Captain Needa, knowing full well what's going to happen, visits Vader personally to take full responsibility for his failure. Vader forgives him...after [[YouHaveFailedMe he executes Needa]] by way of implied force choke. --> '''Vader:''' "Apology accepted, Captain Needa." [[/folder]]
29th Dec '14 6:13:17 PM MarchVee
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fixed wick
* In the first book of the HIVESeries, [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing]]. Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her]]. This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers]]. [[spoiler:She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy]].
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* In the first book of the HIVESeries, ''Literature/HIVESeries'', [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing]]. Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her]]. This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers]]. [[spoiler:She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy]].
28th Oct '14 12:14:29 PM Angeldeb82
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* In the first book of the Literature/HiveSeries, [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing]]. Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her]]. This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers]]. [[spoiler:She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy]].
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* In the first book of the Literature/HiveSeries, HIVESeries, [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing]]. Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her]]. This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers]]. [[spoiler:She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy]].
28th Oct '14 12:13:36 PM Angeldeb82
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Fixed tweaks and renamed tropes.
Steve has been accused of a particularly heinous crime, and the locals are screaming for blood. While the supporting cast believe that Steve is innocent and seek to prove he was Main/WronglyAccused, Steve shocks everyone by admitting his guilt and preparing to accept whatever they do to him, as he's convinced that he deserves it and that {{Forgiveness}} Requires Death. It doesn't help matters that the grieved Main/UntrustingCommunity usually has archaic laws where the penalty for Steve's crime ([[AllCrimesAreEqual and all crimes in general]]) [[Main/DisproportionateRetribution is death.]] Usually [[Main/ColdBloodedTorture in a brutal manner at that.]]
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Steve has been accused of a particularly heinous crime, and the locals are screaming for blood. While the supporting cast believe that Steve is innocent and seek to prove he was Main/WronglyAccused, WronglyAccused, Steve shocks everyone by admitting his guilt and preparing to accept whatever they do to him, as he's convinced that he deserves it and that {{Forgiveness}} Requires Death. It doesn't help matters that the grieved Main/UntrustingCommunity UntrustingCommunity usually has archaic laws where the penalty for Steve's crime ([[AllCrimesAreEqual and all crimes in general]]) [[Main/DisproportionateRetribution [[DisproportionateRetribution is death.]] death]]. Usually [[Main/ColdBloodedTorture [[ColdBloodedTorture in a brutal manner at that.]] that]].

* ''[[MoralMyopia This doesn't apply to us. Why bother accepting their law?]]'' The team member that thinks the group's higher calling supersedes some pathetic village folk. Will often try to talk Steve into a morally dubious jailbreak. Steve won't listen because he is a Main/SlaveToPR.
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* ''[[MoralMyopia This doesn't apply to us. Why bother accepting their law?]]'' The team member that thinks the group's higher calling supersedes some pathetic village folk. Will often try to talk Steve into a morally dubious jailbreak. Steve won't listen because he is a Main/SlaveToPR.SlaveToPR.

* Pretty much the whole point of the Soul Society arc in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''. [[DistressedDamsel Rukia]] has pretty much accepted her fate. Her TrueCompanions don't see it that way, of course, all the way down to the guy who [[AloofAlly supposedly hates everyone like her]]. It could have been {{Narm}}tastic, but somehow it works out to about one CrowningMomentOfAwesome every few episodes and a handful of [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Moments Of Heartwarming]] to boot.
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* Pretty much the whole point of the Soul Society arc in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''. [[DistressedDamsel [[DamselInDistress Rukia]] has pretty much accepted her fate. Her TrueCompanions don't see it that way, of course, all the way down to the guy who [[AloofAlly supposedly hates everyone like her]]. It could have been {{Narm}}tastic, but somehow it works out to about one CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome every few episodes and a handful of [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Moments Of Heartwarming]] SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments to boot.

* In the first book of the [[HiveSeries HIVE series]], [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing.]] Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her.]] This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers. She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy.]]
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* In the first book of the [[HiveSeries HIVE series]], Literature/HiveSeries, [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing.]] Wing]]. Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her.]] her]]. This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers. She]] killers]]. [[spoiler:She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy.]]Lucy]].

* ''BostonLegal'', "Death Be Not Proud": James Spader goes down to Texas to try and get a kid spared from the death penalty, but cannot because the kid has been told so many times that he was guilty that he'd convinced himself of it. Ends with a passionate speech against the death penalty, and then a horrible scene where the kid dies. Emotional TV.
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* ''BostonLegal'', ''Series/BostonLegal'', "Death Be Not Proud": James Spader goes down to Texas to try and get a kid spared from the death penalty, but cannot because the kid has been told so many times that he was guilty that he'd convinced himself of it. Ends with a passionate speech against the death penalty, and then a horrible scene where the kid dies. Emotional TV.

* Embraced in spirit, if not letter, by ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', where the Imperium of Man's take on this is Forgiveness Requires A FateWorseThanDeath.
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* Embraced in spirit, if not letter, by ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', where the Imperium of Man's take on this is Forgiveness Requires A a FateWorseThanDeath.

* Happened to GreenLantern John Stewart in the animated ''JusticeLeague'' (and the comic-book story the episode was based on). He was framed into thinking a stray blast from his ring destroyed a nearby inhabited planet as part of a larger plot.
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* Happened to GreenLantern John Stewart in the animated ''JusticeLeague'' ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' (and the comic-book story the episode was based on). He was framed into thinking a stray blast from his ring destroyed a nearby inhabited planet as part of a larger plot.

* Honor killings. In order for a woman who has "shamed" her family to be forgiven, they have to murder her. [[ValuesDissonance Accepted and encouraged in parts of the world, treated as murder everywhere else]], [[DoubleStandard and doesn't apply to men who do the same thing]].
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* Honor killings. In order for a woman who has "shamed" her family to be forgiven, they have to murder her. [[ValuesDissonance Accepted and encouraged in parts of the world, treated as murder everywhere else]], else,]] [[DoubleStandard and doesn't apply to men who do the same thing]].thing.]]
21st Oct '14 8:30:14 AM DiamondNinja914
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Added HIVE entry
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* In the first book of the [[HiveSeries HIVE series]], [[spoiler:the Contessa]] appears to be a Face who just happens to be creepy. In book two, she [[spoiler:is bought by Cypher and assists in the intended demolition of the school, the kidnapping of Laura and Shelby, and the apparent death of Wing.]] Everyone who knows about the incident is practically vying for the opportunity to exact their revenge, but [[spoiler:are under the impression that Number One killed her.]] This turns out to not be true in book three, when [[spoiler:she is appointed by Number One to run the [=HIVE=]. However, when the school is slated for destruction, she acts as a suicide bomber to blow up the would-be killers. She]] is remembered fondly for the rest of the series, which contributed to [[spoiler:the Alphas accepting her granddaughter, Lucy.]]
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