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16th Jul '17 1:08:01 PM defciggy
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* White America seems to love anything related to India (and, by extension, Pakistan, even if they don't realize it), particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of secular Indian music and dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!), things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in the Indian subcontinent -- and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.

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* White America seems to love anything related to India (and, by extension, Pakistan, even if they don't realize it), particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of secular Indian music and dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!), things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in the Indian subcontinent -- and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian and Pakistani girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.
16th Jul '17 1:07:07 PM defciggy
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* White America seems to love anything related to India, particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of secular Indian music and dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!), things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in India--and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.

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* White America seems to love anything related to India, India (and, by extension, Pakistan, even if they don't realize it), particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of secular Indian music and dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!), things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in India--and the Indian subcontinent -- and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.
12th Jul '17 11:05:42 AM Jhonny
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* In ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' and ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'', Pleakley is the one non-Earthling who's a fan of Earth and had studied it extensively, though he was never able to visit it until the events of the movie. While he gets a lot of details wrong because he was only able to infer through distant observation, he is still a trusted authority because he at least knows more about Earth, by a longshot, than any of his colleagues.

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* In ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' and ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'', Pleakley is the one non-Earthling who's a fan of Earth and had studied it extensively, though he was never able to visit it until the events of the movie. While he gets a lot of details wrong because he was only able to infer through distant observation, he is still a trusted authority because he at least knows more about Earth, by a longshot, long shot, than any of his colleagues.
11th Jul '17 10:27:00 AM ZombieAladdin
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* In ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' and ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'', Pleakley is the one non-Earthling who's a fan of Earth and had studied it extensively, though he was never able to visit it until the events of the movie. While he gets a lot of details wrong because he was only able to infer through distant observation, he is still a trusted authority because he at least knows more about Earth, by a longshot, than any of his colleagues.
29th Jun '17 8:21:11 PM DustSnitch
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* The examples mentioned in ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' above are quite historically accurate, as they were in many other areas the Romans conquered.
17th Jun '17 9:30:47 PM JulianLapostat
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-->-- '''[[https://learnearnandreturn.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/durer-and-the-aztecs/ Albrecht Dürer]]''', on seeing an exhibition of Aztec artifacts sent to Europe by UsefulNotes/HernanCortes.

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-->-- '''[[https://learnearnandreturn.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/durer-and-the-aztecs/ Albrecht Dürer]]''', on seeing an exhibition of Aztec artifacts sent to Europe by UsefulNotes/HernanCortes.
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17th Jun '17 9:29:50 PM JulianLapostat
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-> ''I have seen the things which they have brought to the King out of the new lands of gold...All the days of my life, I have seen nothing that reaches my heart so much as these, for among them I have seen wonderfully artistic things and have admired the subtle ingenuity of men in foreign lands.''
-->-- '''[[https://learnearnandreturn.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/durer-and-the-aztecs/ Albrecht Dürer]]''', on seeing an exhibition of Aztec artifacts sent to Europe by UsefulNotes/HernanCortes.
6th Jun '17 6:18:16 PM penguinist
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** Roman historian Tacitus in his ''Germania'' describes the Suebian knot, a hairstyle worn by certain tribes. He also remarks that it was somewhat in vogue amongst young Roman men. [[OlderThanTheyThink Even two thousand years ago, the older generation was rolling its eyes at the younger's adopting foreign ways.]] It gets even funnier when you realize that he's basically describing the man-bun.



** UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution was quite fascinated by Ancient Rome as well, especially the Republican era. They also liked Sparta and Athens as a whole. Brutus, both the founder of the republic [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade and his notorious descendant]], were regarded as heroes and during Dechristianization, men were given names like Gracchus or Spartacus. A lot of the revolutionary costumes, most famously the Red Phrygian cap of the sans-culottes and other accessories was part of the classical revival as were some of the more ''revealing'' female fashion trends, the Incroyables and the Merveilleuses, during the Directory Period of France. One of the manifestations of this "classical revival" was the renaming of most "daughter-republics", i. e. the republics founded in territories occupied by the French armies, using geographic names from Roman times.[[note]]The Republic of the United Provinces of the Netherlands became the Batavian Republic, the Swiss Confederation for a time became the Helvetian Republic, while the conquest of Italy was followed by the establishment of, among others, the Cisalpine Republic (in Northern Italy), the Ligurian Republic (formerly the Republic of Genoa), the Roman Republic (the Church State), and the Parthenopaean Republic (formerly the Kingdom of Naples).[[/note]]

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** UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution was quite fascinated by Ancient Rome as well, especially the Republican era. They also liked Sparta and Athens as a whole. Brutus, both the founder of the republic [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade and his notorious descendant]], were regarded as heroes and during Dechristianization, men were given names like Gracchus Gracchus, Spartacus, or Spartacus.[[LesMiserables Marius]]. A lot of the revolutionary costumes, most famously the Red Phrygian cap of the sans-culottes and other accessories was part of the classical revival as were some of the more ''revealing'' female fashion trends, the Incroyables and the Merveilleuses, during the Directory Period of France. One of the manifestations of this "classical revival" was the renaming of most "daughter-republics", i. e. the republics founded in territories occupied by the French armies, using geographic names from Roman times.[[note]]The Republic of the United Provinces of the Netherlands became the Batavian Republic, the Swiss Confederation for a time became the Helvetian Republic, while the conquest of Italy was followed by the establishment of, among others, the Cisalpine Republic (in Northern Italy), the Ligurian Republic (formerly the Republic of Genoa), the Roman Republic (the Church State), and the Parthenopaean Republic (formerly the Kingdom of Naples).[[/note]]



* Her son, Russian Emperor Pavel, was a great admirer of Prussia, just like his (probably[[note]]Need we remind that UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat love life was ''[[ReallyGetsAround legendary]]''? And Pavel greatly resembled one of her favorites, count Saltykov.[[/note]]) father Peter III, to the point of returning to Prussia all the lands conquered by his mother. This definitely didn't endear him to his population and especially his courtiers, especially given [[JerkAss what a jerk he was about it]], and directly led to his assassination a couple years later.

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* Her CatherineTheGreat's son, Russian Emperor Pavel, was a great admirer of Prussia, just like his (probably[[note]]Need we remind that UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat love life was ''[[ReallyGetsAround legendary]]''? And Pavel greatly resembled one of her favorites, count Saltykov.[[/note]]) father Peter III, to the point of returning to Prussia all the lands conquered by his mother. This definitely didn't endear him to his population and especially his courtiers, especially given [[JerkAss what a jerk he was about it]], and directly led to his assassination a couple years later.



** During UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment, French intellectuals greatly admired England and later the United States of America for its political liberalism and scientific accomplishment. English words like "club" and "jockey" were imported wholesale to describe the emerging "Jacobin Club". When the Revolution broke out, and war with England was declared, this cooled considerably, especially later when UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte, who ''did'' like English culture, declared a blockade on English goods.

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** During UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment, French intellectuals greatly admired England and later the United States of America for its political liberalism and scientific accomplishment. English words like "club" and "jockey" were imported wholesale to describe the emerging "Jacobin Club". When the Revolution broke out, and war with England was declared, this cooled considerably, especially later when UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte, who ''did'' like English culture, declared a blockade on English goods.
1st Jun '17 9:11:48 PM karstovich2
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* Related to both the Monaco and Israeli fandoms is the long-standing fetishization of "Arabia" and the Bedouin culture in American movie making (the adaptation of ''Literature/TheSheik'' (which starred a Mexican-descent actor as the lord of the burning sands,) and the quasi-historic ''Film/{{Lawrence of Arabia}}'' as only two examples.) In more recent years, some political factions in the USA have gained a deep affinity for Arab and Muslim culture. This has taken a particular edge in the progressive support for the Palestinian side in the on-going conflict - a support that glosses over the significant differences between progressive & fundamentalist Palestinian approaches to homosexuality, women's liberation, and to a lesser degree protection of religious minorities and religious freedom[[note]]Long story short: Palestinians are, as you might expect, quite conservative when it comes to sexual mores, generally OK with women working but still pretty heavily patriarchal, and the degree to which minorities are to be accepted is something of a bone of contention among them: Fatah and the "left" tend to be full-throatedly accepting of freedom of religion (a large percentage of Palestinians ''are'' Christians, and many of the left-wing Palestinian groups, e.g. the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine--who are Communists, at least nominally--have historically had heavy Christian membership), while Hamas' position is more divided (generally advocating religious ''toleration'' in the context of an Islamic society), and many of the Islamist groups to the right of Hamas (e.g. Islamic Jihad) being even more suspicious of minorities (typically advocating that they be required to pay a ''jizya''--a special tax symbolic of their recognition of Muslim rule).[[/note]] among other issues. A closer correspondence to the Monaco fanbase is the new but increasing fanbase for Dubai, with its glittering towers and extreme opulence...based on a lot of exploitation of immigrants and truly abysmal human rights record, plus the glittering towers are ConspicuousConsumption writ large at best and at worst surprisingly tacky, and the whole thing is built on an economic model whose sustainability is subject to serious doubt, but ''world's tallest building'', everyone!

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* Related to both the Monaco and Israeli fandoms is the long-standing fetishization of "Arabia" and the Bedouin culture in American movie making (the adaptation of ''Literature/TheSheik'' (which starred a Mexican-descent actor as the lord of the burning sands,) and the quasi-historic ''Film/{{Lawrence of Arabia}}'' as only two examples.) In more recent years, some political factions in the USA have gained a deep affinity for Arab and Muslim culture. This has taken a particular edge in the progressive support for the Palestinian side in the on-going conflict - a support that glosses over the significant differences between progressive & fundamentalist Palestinian approaches to homosexuality, women's liberation, and to a lesser degree protection of religious minorities and religious freedom[[note]]Long story short: Palestinians are, as you might expect, quite conservative when it comes to sexual mores, mores; though not as conservative as some of their neighbors (*cough* Saudi *cough*), they're still quite prudish when compared to some of their other neighbors, like the Israelis and Lebanese. Palestinians are generally OK with women working working, and the Palestinian left is theoretically committed to equality, but Palestinian culture is still pretty heavily patriarchal, and patriarchal. Finally, the degree to which minorities are to be accepted is something of a bone of contention among them: Palestinian groups: Fatah and the "left" tend to be full-throatedly accepting of freedom of religion (a large percentage of Palestinians ''are'' Christians, and many of the left-wing Palestinian groups, e.g. the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine--who are Communists, at least nominally--have historically had heavy Christian membership), while Hamas' position is more divided (generally advocating religious ''toleration'' in the context of an Islamic society), and many of the Islamist groups to the right of Hamas (e.g. Islamic Jihad) being even more suspicious of minorities (typically advocating that they be required to pay a ''jizya''--a special tax symbolic of their recognition of Muslim rule).[[/note]] among other issues. A closer correspondence to the Monaco fanbase is the new but increasing fanbase for Dubai, with its glittering towers and extreme opulence...based on a lot of exploitation of immigrants and truly abysmal human rights record, plus the glittering towers are ConspicuousConsumption writ large at best and at worst surprisingly tacky, and the whole thing is built on an economic model whose sustainability is subject to serious doubt, but ''world's tallest building'', everyone!
31st May '17 9:06:37 PM karstovich2
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* White America seems to love anything related to India, particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of Indian music and secular dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!) things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in India--and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.

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* White America seems to love anything related to India, particularly for its "exotic" appeal. While the White American appreciation for Indian cuisine is considered largely benign, and Indians are generally accepting of Western appreciation of secular Indian music and secular dance (bhangra it up, bro, if you've got the moves!) moves!), things start to get dicier when it comes to "exotic" Indian visual arts, clothing, body decoration, and religious iconography. This is especially common during the Coachella festival when white girls always get bindis and henna and are complimented on how "cute" they look, even though Indian girls have been mocked by white people for trying to wear their own cultural items. What makes it even more frustrating is that the bindi and henna have significant meanings in Indian culture (with the bindi in particular having spiritual meaning in Hinduism, and henna being a festive tradition across religions in India--and elsewhere, henna being popular across the Muslim world and in Southeast Asia), but it's reduced to a fashion statement to be "exotic" and "spiritual". Even more infuriating for Hindus is seeing photos of hipsters smoking weed in front of pictures of deities such as Ganesha. Celebrities who have caused significant anger among Indian communities for appropriating the bindi and henna include Iggy Azalea, Selena Gomez, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, Miley Cyrus, and Madonna. This has even led to movements called [=#ReclaimtheBindi=] and [=#CoachellaShutDown=] among Indian girls, who celebrate their heritage and shut down white people appropriating their cultures.
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