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19th Sep '17 7:57:38 PM MagiMecha
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* This hit ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' twice and it infuriated the player base:
** When the game first hit, the Klingon Defense Force was an ''unlockable'' faction that started off at Level 20... but held nothing else of value except for the missions that both sides could play and they were late game. It was initially lessened with the appearance of a set of KDF-centered missions and the Duty Officer System, but it wouldn't be fully fixed until the first Expansion Pack, ''Legacy of Romulus''.
** When the second Expansion Pack, ''Delta Rising'', was being tested, players discovered that Cryptic pulled this stunt ''again'', but for ''everybody''! Cryptic's idea was to prevent what happened with ''Legacy of Romulus'', where players tore through all the missions and had nothing else to do, by upping the amount of XP needed to earn to level up incredibly, with Cryptic telling players to not rush through the missions - play other things while you level up! Sadly, playing missions over again gave pittance in terms of XP gains, Duty Officer System missions rewarded pathetically and the PVE missions were made so much harder that players refused to go into them! A stopgap was discovered by players when one of the Sector Blocks had an unintended XP Boost and players grinded there, only for it to be taken away when too many people took advantage of it. Ultimately, it would be a change of hands with the Executive Producer to get things fixed with the leveling.
10th Sep '17 7:37:34 PM GrammarNavi
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* ''DigimonWorld3'' would probably win the award for Forced Grinding. And the blasted critters give so little EXP compared to the effort spent in killing them. Want a hint? Fight Numemons.
* ''DigimonWorld4''. You'll need specific weapon types to get through areas. Didn't use the type for your first run through the area, or regularly switch your weapons? Prepare to spend a very, ''very'' long time beating the shit out of things to get enough skill to use anything decent. It takes an ANNOYINGLY long time to get any skill for a while-- at least your technique goes up very fast after it gets past a certain point. You'll still spend hours at a time beating up the respawning enemies even then, though.
* ''DigimonWorldDawnDusk'' for Nintendo DS require huge amounts of level grinding in order to tackle some bosses (ironically, once you take down the boss, the battles in the area you were grinding will have more and stronger enemies so you can get way more Exp.) Also, after the last story boss, you can accept a mission to take several bosses in a row, and even if your Digimon were strong enough to beat the story boss without much trouble, you'll be unable to scratch the two later bosses unless you spend a few hours grinding in the new area.

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* ''DigimonWorld3'' ''VideoGame/DigimonWorld3'' would probably win the award for Forced Grinding. And the blasted critters give so little EXP compared to the effort spent in killing them. Want a hint? Fight Numemons.
* ''DigimonWorld4''.''VideoGame/DigimonWorld4''. You'll need specific weapon types to get through areas. Didn't use the type for your first run through the area, or regularly switch your weapons? Prepare to spend a very, ''very'' long time beating the shit out of things to get enough skill to use anything decent. It takes an ANNOYINGLY long time to get any skill for a while-- at least your technique goes up very fast after it gets past a certain point. You'll still spend hours at a time beating up the respawning enemies even then, though.
* ''DigimonWorldDawnDusk'' ''VideoGame/DigimonWorldDawnDusk'' for Nintendo DS require huge amounts of level grinding in order to tackle some bosses (ironically, once you take down the boss, the battles in the area you were grinding will have more and stronger enemies so you can get way more Exp.) Also, after the last story boss, you can accept a mission to take several bosses in a row, and even if your Digimon were strong enough to beat the story boss without much trouble, you'll be unable to scratch the two later bosses unless you spend a few hours grinding in the new area.
17th Aug '17 8:44:26 AM ArgonianLorekeeper
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** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver ''Gold'', ''Silver'', and ''Crystal'' Versions]] are the easiest generation... until you get to Silver Cave. The strongest trainer prior to this is Blue, with his highest-level Pokémon being level 58. But then, we've got [[TrueFinalBoss Red]] whose LOWEST-level Pokémon is level 73! If you are playing with a 6-Pokémon team, this part of the game is a nightmare even if you caught the Level-70 legendary (Lugia in ''Gold'', Ho-Oh in ''Silver''; both of them in ''Crystal'', provided you get the wings from Pewter City) to save time. Not to mention that the highest-level Pokémon you can powerlevel against repeatedly are level 50, so the exp. yield is not awesome.

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** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver ''Gold'', ''Silver'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Gold, Silver, and ''Crystal'' Versions]] Crystal Versions]]'' are the easiest generation... until you get to Silver Cave. The strongest trainer prior to this is Blue, with his highest-level Pokémon being level 58. But then, we've got [[TrueFinalBoss Red]] whose LOWEST-level Pokémon is level 73! If you are playing with a 6-Pokémon team, this part of the game is a nightmare even if you caught the Level-70 legendary (Lugia in ''Gold'', Ho-Oh in ''Silver''; both of them in ''Crystal'', provided you get the wings from Pewter City) to save time. Not to mention that the highest-level Pokémon you can powerlevel against repeatedly are level 50, so the exp. yield is not awesome.
17th Aug '17 8:43:18 AM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* ''VideoGame/EternalSonata'' has possibly the most extreme example in [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Mysterious Unison]], more related to money-making. In order to obtain one piece of Claves' soul, you have to raise ''99,999,999'' gold to buy it from a spirit that found it. Although you can obtain it a little easier by fighting the dungeon's tougher creatures, which drop 600,000-1,500,000 gold each, keep in mind that these are some of the toughest monsters in the game.
* In ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' you could beat the last Gym Leader, get to and through Victory Road, and challenge the Elite Four pretty easily without having gone out of your way to grind prior to that. But ''beating'' the Elite Four/Champion is much different from ''challenging'' them; you might have to spend a couple nights grinding in Victory Road before you could actually do anything effectual against the Elite Four.
** Note, however, that 80% of the Elite Four's Pokemon have a weakness to either the Flying or Fighting type. The Starly family, who are among the most common Pokemon in the game, just happen to learn powerful attacks of both elements. They can nearly single-handedly wipe out the entire Elite Four when underleveled. Let's hope you bothered to train one...
** Since we're talking about ''Pokémon'', this calls for The Big One. The ''Gold'', ''Silver'', and ''Crystal'' Versions are the easiest generation... until you get to Silver Cave. The strongest trainer prior to this is Blue, with his highest-level Pokémon being level 58. But then, we've got [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo R]][[FinalBoss e]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome d]] in Silver Cave whose LOWEST-level Pokémon is level 73!!! If you are playing with a 6-Pokémon team, this part of the game is a nightmare even if you caught the Level-70 legendary (Lugia in Gold, Ho-Oh in Silver; both of them in Crystal, provided you get the wings from Pewter City) to save time! Not to mention that the highest-level Pokémon you can powerlevel against repeatedly are level 50, so the exp. yield is not awesome.

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* ''VideoGame/EternalSonata'' has possibly the most an extreme example in [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Mysterious Unison]], more related to money-making. In order to obtain one piece of Claves' soul, you have to raise ''99,999,999'' gold to buy it from a spirit that found it. Although you can obtain it a little easier by fighting the dungeon's tougher creatures, which drop 600,000-1,500,000 gold each, keep in mind that these are some of the toughest monsters in the game.
* In ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' you could beat the last Gym Leader, get to and through Victory Road, and challenge the Elite Four pretty easily without having gone out of your way to grind prior to that. But ''beating'' the Elite Four/Champion is much different from ''challenging'' them; you might have to spend a couple nights grinding in Victory Road before you could actually do anything effectual against the Elite Four.
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Four. Note, however, that 80% of the Elite Four's Pokemon have a weakness to either the Flying or Fighting type. The Starly family, who are among the most common Pokemon in the game, just happen to learn powerful attacks of both elements. They can nearly single-handedly wipe out the entire Elite Four when underleveled. Let's hope you bothered to train one...
** Since we're talking about ''Pokémon'', this calls for The Big One. The [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver ''Gold'', ''Silver'', and ''Crystal'' Versions Versions]] are the easiest generation... until you get to Silver Cave. The strongest trainer prior to this is Blue, with his highest-level Pokémon being level 58. But then, we've got [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo R]][[FinalBoss e]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome d]] in Silver Cave [[TrueFinalBoss Red]] whose LOWEST-level Pokémon is level 73!!! 73! If you are playing with a 6-Pokémon team, this part of the game is a nightmare even if you caught the Level-70 legendary (Lugia in Gold, ''Gold'', Ho-Oh in Silver; ''Silver''; both of them in Crystal, ''Crystal'', provided you get the wings from Pewter City) to save time! time. Not to mention that the highest-level Pokémon you can powerlevel against repeatedly are level 50, so the exp. yield is not awesome.



** ...and again with ''Pokémon Colosseum''. Only, there's just ONE spot that requires forced grinding - the final two bosses, which are quite a leap over the best level Pokémon you can get before that. Other than that, you can avoid any sort of level grinding by just using Pokémon as you catch them, since they're actually at a level that can fight off the opponents of the area! Oh, and if you thought you could just import your Level 100 mons from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, that option isn't unlocked until ''after'' you beat said final bosses.

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** ...and again with ** ''Pokémon Colosseum''. Only, there's just ONE spot that requires forced grinding - the final two bosses, which are quite a leap over the best level Pokémon you can get before that. Other than that, you can avoid any sort of level grinding by just using Pokémon as you catch them, since they're actually at a level that can fight off the opponents of the area! Oh, and if you thought you could just import your Level 100 mons from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, that option isn't unlocked until ''after'' you beat said final bosses.



*** Even then, it's entirely possible to bring Red down with your team still in the low 50's and eligible for Stadium 2 Poké Cup (at least in Gen 2 -- HG/SS made him considerably more powerful, but level is no longer a barrier to tournament entry). The key is that most of his team is quite slow, and the ones that aren't have moves that can be negated entirely. Even in the remakes, it is possible [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukfm9PLMruo&list=SP9EEC7693971B4B37&index=78 to beat Red with a party all at level 50]].
*** Or even [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lOfQAfXpM a party that has never gained any levels, ever]].

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*** Even then, it's entirely possible to bring Red down with your team still in the low 50's and eligible for Stadium 2 Poké Cup (at least in Gen 2 -- HG/SS made him considerably more powerful, but level is no longer a barrier to tournament entry). The key is that most of his team is quite slow, and the ones that aren't have moves that can be negated entirely. Even in the remakes, it is possible [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukfm9PLMruo&list=SP9EEC7693971B4B37&index=78 to beat Red with a party all at level 50]].
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50]], or even [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lOfQAfXpM a party that has never gained any levels, ever]].
2nd Jul '17 1:37:52 AM HMSaph
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** The optional rival battle against Blue on Route 22 in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red and Blue]]'' basically requires you to grind. He has two Pokémon at Level 9 and Level 8, which is pretty high for that early in the game. If you want to obtain the [[PermanentlyMissableContent 5 Poké Balls]] from Oak, you'll have to beat him ''without buying any Poké Balls'', forcing you to use your lone starter. Good luck!
24th Jun '17 2:33:44 PM nombretomado
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** In ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIX'', the main storyline can be beaten with no grinding, but then as soon as the postgame starts, everyone goes cuckoo for Treasure Maps. If you do a spot of exploring with your new GlobalAirship, it won't take you long to find an easy quest that gives you an interestingly-named Treasure Map. Hm, wonder who this [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIII Baramos]] fellow is, and [[BonusBoss why his name]] [[NintendoHard is on this map]]...and the false sense of security combined with the total lack of in-game warning (apart from the name alone, for DragonQuest vets) might lead you to believe that this couldn't possibly be ''that'' hard. Also, the difficulty levels of the "normal" Treasure Map grottoes are fond of [[DifficultySpike spiking]].

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** In ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIX'', the main storyline can be beaten with no grinding, but then as soon as the postgame starts, everyone goes cuckoo for Treasure Maps. If you do a spot of exploring with your new GlobalAirship, it won't take you long to find an easy quest that gives you an interestingly-named Treasure Map. Hm, wonder who this [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIII Baramos]] fellow is, and [[BonusBoss why his name]] [[NintendoHard is on this map]]...and the false sense of security combined with the total lack of in-game warning (apart from the name alone, for DragonQuest VideoGame/DragonQuest vets) might lead you to believe that this couldn't possibly be ''that'' hard. Also, the difficulty levels of the "normal" Treasure Map grottoes are fond of [[DifficultySpike spiking]].
26th Apr '17 1:31:10 PM Grobi
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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance 2'', grinding is necessary to be able to take on certain bosses. Thankfully, since they have levels just like you do, you'll always know what range you should shoot for. There's ''long'' grinding periods before any fight with Illua, for example. To even take on the five kings or the [[BonusDungeon Brightmon Tor]], you'll have to level grind up the ass. Luckily, some repeatable dispatch missions give enough EXP to level up units and is quicker this way instead of fighting. The worst part is HundredPercentCompletion though. Beating the game is doable at about level 60. Most of the endgame challenges involve powerful level 99 opponents.

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance 2'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' grinding is necessary to be able to take on certain bosses. Thankfully, since they have levels just like you do, you'll always know what range you should shoot for. There's ''long'' grinding periods before any fight with Illua, for example. To even take on the five kings or the [[BonusDungeon Brightmon Tor]], you'll have to level grind up the ass. Luckily, some repeatable dispatch missions give enough EXP to level up units and is quicker this way instead of fighting. The worst part is HundredPercentCompletion though. Beating the game is doable at about level 60. Most of the endgame challenges involve powerful level 99 opponents.
16th Apr '17 3:04:35 AM magicalfeyfenny
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* ''VideoGame/Nethack'' requires your character level to be at least 14 to do the role-specific Quest to obtain one of the Invocation Artifacts, required to enter the lowest dungeon level and obtain the [[MacGuffin Amulet of Yendor]]. While you aren't required to do the Quest immediately (and for some roles like the Monk, waiting until you're prepared is far more advised), and doing other areas may provide enough experience points to allow you to enter when you want to, some characters *will* need to grind (or find potions of gain level), and it's one of the few areas of the game that cannot be skipped in any way.

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* ''VideoGame/Nethack'' ''VideoGame/{{Nethack}}'' requires your character level to be at least 14 to do the role-specific Quest to obtain one of the Invocation Artifacts, required to enter the lowest dungeon level and obtain the [[MacGuffin Amulet of Yendor]]. While you aren't required to do the Quest immediately (and for some roles like the Monk, waiting until you're prepared is far more advised), and doing other areas may provide enough experience points to allow you to enter when you want to, some characters *will* need to grind (or find potions of gain level), and it's one of the few areas of the game that cannot be skipped in any way.
16th Apr '17 3:03:43 AM magicalfeyfenny
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* ''VideoGame/Nethack'' requires your character level to be at least 14 to do the role-specific Quest to obtain one of the Invocation Artifacts, required to enter the lowest dungeon level and obtain the [[MacGuffin Amulet of Yendor]]. While you aren't required to do the Quest immediately (and for some roles like the Monk, waiting until you're prepared is far more advised), and doing other areas may provide enough experience points to allow you to enter when you want to, some characters *will* need to grind (or find potions of gain level), and it's one of the few areas of the game that cannot be skipped in any way.
8th Apr '17 11:38:27 AM nombretomado
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* ''RecordOfLodossWar'' for Dreamcast. If you proceed to the BigBad's lair as soon as it opens, you will be unable to cause any damage to him at all. You're supposed to run around killing dragons to build up your levels and equipment first.

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* ''RecordOfLodossWar'' ''VideoGame/RecordOfLodossWar'' for Dreamcast. If you proceed to the BigBad's lair as soon as it opens, you will be unable to cause any damage to him at all. You're supposed to run around killing dragons to build up your levels and equipment first.
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