History Main / FootballHooligans

4th May '16 10:53:58 PM Kreyser
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* In Indonesia, many soccer clubs have this, resulting frequently in full-blown riots. Some notorious examples are from Jakarta (The Jak or Jakmania as ''Persija'' (''Persatuan Sepak Bola Jakarta'')fans club), Surabaya (Bonek, the MOST notorious among them all, as fans club of ''Persebaya'' (''Persatuan Sepak Bola Surabaya'')), Bandung (Bobotoh and Viking, both are fans of ''Persib'' alias ''Persatuan Sepak Bola Bandung''), and Malang (Aremania, the fans of ''Arema''). Since Jakarta and Bandung are pretty close to one another as well as Surabaya and Malang pair, any match involving those pair of cities can get pretty violent
29th Apr '16 6:47:50 PM AndIntroducingALeg
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* As stated above, English Football became the most iconic example of hooliganism during the 80's. Almost every club had 'firms' who would arrange punch ups with opposing firms from other sides. This would cumulate in the disaster at Heysel, at the time the whole game was a mess, with stadia crumbling and not being up to standards and loose regulations about drinking for example. Measures put into place like catch fencing would lead to Hillsbrough where even more people died. The Taylor Report which arose from those events called for several new rules and regulations like no alcohol allowed inside the stands and all seater stadiums. Despite the occasional riot breaking out the problem has been all but solved.

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* As stated above, English Football became the most iconic example of hooliganism during the 80's. Almost every club had 'firms' who would arrange punch ups with opposing firms from other sides. This would cumulate in the disaster at Heysel, at the time the whole game was a mess, with stadia crumbling and not being up to standards (to the extent that, barely a fortnight before the Heysel disaster, 56 fans had perished in an horrific grandstand fire at Bradford City's Valley Parade stadium) and loose regulations about drinking for example. Measures put into place like catch fencing would lead to Hillsbrough where even more people died. The Taylor Report which arose from those events called for several new rules and regulations like no alcohol allowed inside the stands and all seater stadiums. Despite the occasional riot breaking out the problem has been all but solved.
25th Apr '16 9:23:29 PM megarockman
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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost in Game 7. Montreal also had riot back in 1955 after Maurice "The Rocket" Richard was suspended for the rest of the season for a violent on-ice incident with a linesman (the Francophone Canadien fanbase thought the suspension was too harsh and that NHL President Clarence Campbell was being racist against Richard's French-Canadian ethnicity).

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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost in Game 7. Montreal also had a riot back in 1955 after Maurice "The Rocket" Richard was suspended for the rest of the season for a violent on-ice incident with a linesman (the Francophone Canadien fanbase thought the suspension was too harsh and that NHL President Clarence Campbell was being racist against Richard's French-Canadian ethnicity).
25th Apr '16 9:22:51 PM megarockman
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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost. Montreal also had riot back in 1955 after Maurice "The Rocket" Richard was suspended for the rest of the season for a violent on-ice incident with a linesman (the Francophone Canadien fanbase thought the suspension was too harsh and that NHL President Clarence Campbell was being racist against Richard's French-Canadian ethnicity).

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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost.lost in Game 7. Montreal also had riot back in 1955 after Maurice "The Rocket" Richard was suspended for the rest of the season for a violent on-ice incident with a linesman (the Francophone Canadien fanbase thought the suspension was too harsh and that NHL President Clarence Campbell was being racist against Richard's French-Canadian ethnicity).
25th Apr '16 9:21:34 PM megarockman
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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost.

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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost. Montreal also had riot back in 1955 after Maurice "The Rocket" Richard was suspended for the rest of the season for a violent on-ice incident with a linesman (the Francophone Canadien fanbase thought the suspension was too harsh and that NHL President Clarence Campbell was being racist against Richard's French-Canadian ethnicity).
25th Apr '16 9:17:20 PM megarockman
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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost UsefulNotes/TheStanleyCup finals.

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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey ([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Montreal has had two riots in 1986 and 1993, both after the Canadiens won UsefulNotes/StanleyCup Finals; Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost UsefulNotes/TheStanleyCup finals.lost.
22nd Apr '16 1:57:43 PM 20person
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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey (of course). Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost UsefulNotes/TheStanleyCup finals.

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** In Canada such supporters emerge from hockey (of course).([[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan of course]]). Vancouver has had two riots in 1994 and 2011, both after the Canucks lost UsefulNotes/TheStanleyCup finals.
2nd Apr '16 5:21:26 AM Kitchen90
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* ''Film/TheFootballFactory'' - Chelsea v Millwall

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* ''Film/TheFootballFactory'' - is a satirical mockumentary-like film based on a novel about a thirty-something in an extremist Chelsea-supporting fan-club who travels around with other members attacking fans of rival [=FCs=]. When Chelsea v Millwallare up against Millwall one week, tension builds in the businesses that many fans work at because half are Chelsea and the other are Millwall fans.



* In the 1970's, a now-defunct publishing house called the ''Creator/NewEnglishLibrary'' specialised in lurid penny-dreadfuls, hack-written novels capitalising on ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Daily Mail]]'' readers' fears about British society going to Hell in a handcart. Among its copious catalogue were pulp novels by a "Richard Allen" about football hooliganism, with no nose left unbroken nor no groin unkicked. Allen wrote four or five books about the hooligans, culminating in a truly outrageous piece of monumental absurdity called ''Striker!'', where football hooligans precipitate the collapse of British society and, with the aid of no-good trade unions and communists, take over the country. Eventually, the Americans call a halt to Britain's slide into anarchy by sending their army in to restore order and put down hooliganism. Oh dear. A cure producing a bigger body count than the disease?

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* In the 1970's, 1970s, a now-defunct publishing house called the ''Creator/NewEnglishLibrary'' specialised in lurid penny-dreadfuls, hack-written novels capitalising on ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Daily Mail]]'' readers' fears about British society going to Hell in a handcart. Among its copious catalogue were pulp novels by a "Richard Allen" about football hooliganism, with no nose left unbroken nor no groin unkicked. Allen wrote four or five books about the hooligans, culminating in a truly outrageous piece of monumental absurdity called ''Striker!'', where football hooligans precipitate the collapse of British society and, with the aid of no-good trade unions and communists, take over the country. Eventually, the Americans call a halt to Britain's slide into anarchy by sending their army in to restore order and put down hooliganism. Oh dear. A cure producing a bigger body count than the disease?



* Another football team with a bad reputation, Millwall, came to Manchester for a game. Forewarned, police tried to herd the fans down Wilmslow Road to the then City ground at Maine Road. The visiting London hard nuts overpowered their police escort, succeeding in gutting and emptying an Asian jewellers before order could be restored. A lot of exotic bling made it back to London...

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* Another football team with a bad reputation, Millwall, once came to Manchester for a game. Forewarned, police tried to herd the fans down Wilmslow Road to the then Man City ground at Maine Road. The visiting London hard nuts overpowered their police escort, succeeding in gutting and emptying an Asian jewellers before order could be restored. A lot of exotic bling made it back to London...
6th Mar '16 2:56:20 AM laserviking42
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** Specifically, he's talking about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster the Hillsborough Disaster]]. 96 deaths were caused by failures in crowd control leading to a dangerous crush, and the prevailing mindset that all fans were hooligans meant that a public safety problem was treated as a public order problem. This lead to a crucial delay in getting people out of the crush, and allegedly some of those scaling the fences to escape it were pushed back in.

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** Specifically, he's talking about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster the Hillsborough Disaster]]. Disaster]] where 96 deaths were caused by failures in crowd control leading to a dangerous crush, and the prevailing mindset crush. This was not actually caused by hooliganism, but measures that all had been taken to curb hooliganism contributed in large part. Specifically sections of the stadium (called pens) were fenced off from each other to keep fans from clashing. Improper crowd control had officials directing more and more people into a single pen as the game was starting. As there was nowhere to go, people were crushed to death.
** He may also be referring to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster the Heysel Disaster]], in which Liverpool fans broke through a fence separating them from Juventus supporters. 600
fans were hooligans meant that crushed against a public safety problem was treated as a public order problem. wall which then collapsed, 39 of them of died. This lead incident led to a crucial delay English teams being banned from participating in getting people out of the crush, and allegedly some of those scaling the fences to escape it were pushed back in.games in continental Europe.
6th Mar '16 2:40:44 AM laserviking42
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* The real-life example known as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War Football war]] deserves mentioning when you take into account that the rioting from the games increased the tension between the countries which led to the war.
** Except that the tension between Honduras and El Salvador was already at the brink of the war at the time, and the rioting just triggered its start.

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* The real-life example known as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War Football war]] deserves mentioning when you take into account that between El Salvador and Honduras. The causes of the rioting from war itself were over a variety of issues unrelated to football. However the games increased war was triggered during the tension qualifying rounds for the 1970 FIFA World Cup. During the matches (three total matches took place between the countries which led to the war.
** Except that the tension between
two, one in El Salvador, one in Honduras and the final match in Mexico City) fans of both countries violently clashed with each other. El Salvador was already at the brink (who incidentally won two of the war at three games) severed diplomatic ties with Honduras, claiming that "the government of Honduras has not taken any effective measures to punish these crimes which constitute genocide, nor has it given assurances of indemnification or reparations for the time, and the rioting just triggered its start.damages caused to Salvadorans".
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