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25th Feb '18 12:14:34 AM KYCubbie
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** [[UsefulNotes/StLouis St. Louis]]: Once one of America's premiere cities, it's since become a poster child for urban decay. Home to the Cardinals, the Gateway Arch, Lambert International Airport, and it's own unique forms of pizza and barbecue. Hosted the 1904 Summer Olympics for some reason. Residents hate those from Kansas City and/or Chicago.
** [[UsefulNotes/KansasCity Kansas City]]: Chicago's less-attractive little sister. Baseball, barbecue, jazz music, and organized crime galore. Known for it's high incomes, large meatpacking industry, and endless mess of suburban sprawl.

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** [[UsefulNotes/StLouis St. Louis]]: UsefulNotes/StLouis: Once one of America's premiere cities, it's since become a poster child for urban decay. Home to the Cardinals, the Gateway Arch, Lambert International Airport, and it's own unique forms of pizza and barbecue. Hosted the 1904 Summer Olympics for some reason. Residents hate those from Kansas City and/or Chicago.
** [[UsefulNotes/KansasCity Kansas City]]: UsefulNotes/KansasCity: Chicago's less-attractive little sister. Baseball, barbecue, jazz music, and organized crime galore. Known for it's high incomes, large meatpacking industry, and endless mess of suburban sprawl.



** Cincinnati: Named after {{Cincinnatus}} and by extension UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, this quaint city doesn’t conform to what a typical Ohio city is. Owing to its proximity to Kentucky and the ensuring cultural impact, Cincy is often called “the northernmost southern city”. In bygone years, it was known as the hub city for the trade of pigs and pork, and was a major stopping point on the Underground Railroad that smuggled slaves out of the South. Consequently it has a very prominent museum dedicated to the Underground Railroad. In modern times, Cincinnati is known for its own special type of chili, the headquarters of GE Aircraft Engines and Procter & Gamble and for NCAA basketball's few intra-city rivalries, between Xavier University and the University of Cincinnati. Oh, and [[Series/WKRPInCincinnati a TV show about a radio station]]].

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** Cincinnati: Named after {{Cincinnatus}} and by extension UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, this quaint city doesn’t conform to what a typical Ohio city is. Owing to its proximity to Kentucky and the ensuring cultural impact, Cincy is often called “the northernmost southern city”. In bygone years, it was known as the hub city for the trade of pigs and pork, and was a major stopping point on the Underground Railroad that smuggled slaves out of the South. Consequently it has a very prominent museum dedicated to the Underground Railroad. In modern times, Cincinnati is known for its own special type of chili, the headquarters of GE Aircraft Engines and Procter & Gamble and for NCAA basketball's few intra-city rivalries, between Xavier University and the University of Cincinnati. Oh, and [[Series/WKRPInCincinnati a TV show about a radio station]]].station]].
25th Feb '18 12:12:05 AM KYCubbie
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** Cincinnati: Named after {{Cincinnatus}} and by extension UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, this quaint city doesn’t conform to what a typical Ohio city is. Owing to its proximity to Kentucky and the ensuring cultural impact, Cincy is often called “the northernmost southern city”. In bygone years, it was known as the hub city for the trade of pigs and pork, and was a major stopping point on the Underground Railroad that smuggled slaves out of the South. Consequently it has a very prominent museum dedicated to the Underground Railroad. In modern times, Cincinnati is known for its own special type of chili, the headquarters of GE Aircraft Engines and Procter & Gamble and for NCAA basketball’s only intra-city rivalry between Xavier University and the University of Cincinnati. Oh, and [[Series/WKRPInCincinnati a TV show about a radio station]]].

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** Cincinnati: Named after {{Cincinnatus}} and by extension UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, this quaint city doesn’t conform to what a typical Ohio city is. Owing to its proximity to Kentucky and the ensuring cultural impact, Cincy is often called “the northernmost southern city”. In bygone years, it was known as the hub city for the trade of pigs and pork, and was a major stopping point on the Underground Railroad that smuggled slaves out of the South. Consequently it has a very prominent museum dedicated to the Underground Railroad. In modern times, Cincinnati is known for its own special type of chili, the headquarters of GE Aircraft Engines and Procter & Gamble and for NCAA basketball’s only basketball's few intra-city rivalry rivalries, between Xavier University and the University of Cincinnati. Oh, and [[Series/WKRPInCincinnati a TV show about a radio station]]].
21st Feb '18 4:36:11 AM manofwarb
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** UsefulNotes/{{Indianapolis}}: Home of the Indy 500.

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** UsefulNotes/{{Indianapolis}}: Home of the Indy 500. And in recent times, home of Peyton Manning’s team.


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** Cincinnati: Named after {{Cincinnatus}} and by extension UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, this quaint city doesn’t conform to what a typical Ohio city is. Owing to its proximity to Kentucky and the ensuring cultural impact, Cincy is often called “the northernmost southern city”. In bygone years, it was known as the hub city for the trade of pigs and pork, and was a major stopping point on the Underground Railroad that smuggled slaves out of the South. Consequently it has a very prominent museum dedicated to the Underground Railroad. In modern times, Cincinnati is known for its own special type of chili, the headquarters of GE Aircraft Engines and Procter & Gamble and for NCAA basketball’s only intra-city rivalry between Xavier University and the University of Cincinnati. Oh, and [[Series/WKRPInCincinnati a TV show about a radio station]]].
26th Jan '18 4:30:48 AM DeepRed
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* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}}s in general, are essentially [[MinnesotaNice Midwestern]][[StepfordSmiler stereotypes]] cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest,[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]] before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}}s in general, are essentially [[MinnesotaNice Midwestern]][[StepfordSmiler Midwestern]] [[StepfordSmiler stereotypes]] cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest,[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]] before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.
26th Dec '17 10:50:54 AM Comrade_Kenneth
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That's Flyover Country, also known as "the Heartland" or "Middle America" [[note]] which are not necessarily the same thing; see YouKeepUsingThatWord for further details [[/note]] -- American slang for the states which trendy coast-dwellers see only from the window of an airplane. Containing roughly half the country's population (if you're using a narrower definition) but much more of its landmass, this region includes everything between UsefulNotes/LasVegas [[note]] although the area between the Pacific Coast and the Rockies is more properly termed "the Great Basin" and is culturally either Catholic Latino or Anglo-Saxon Mormon, in marked contrast to the largely Teutonic mainline Protestant/Catholic character of the northern Midwest and the Scots-Irish evangelical Baptist character of the southern Midwest [[/note]] and UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} at a minimum -- and is often extended to everything east of the Sierra Nevada and [[Series/ThirtyRock west of the Alleghenies]] (if not the Hudson River).

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That's Flyover Country, also known as "the Heartland" or "Middle America" [[note]] which are not necessarily the same thing; see YouKeepUsingThatWord for further details [[/note]] -- American slang for the states which trendy liberal coast-dwellers see only from the window of an airplane. Containing roughly half the country's population (if you're using a narrower definition) but much more of its landmass, this region includes everything between UsefulNotes/LasVegas [[note]] although the area between the Pacific Coast Sierra Nevadas and the Rockies is more properly termed "the Great Basin" and is culturally either Latin American Catholic Latino or Anglo-Saxon Mormon, in marked contrast to the largely Teutonic mainline Protestant/Catholic German Protestant or Scandinavian Lutheran character of the northern Midwest upper Midwest, Slavic and Italian Catholic character of the Great Lakes, the Scots-Irish Baptist or Anglo-Saxon Protestant character of the lower Midwest, Slavic Jewish or Southern European and Germanic Catholic character of the East Coast, Latin American Catholic or Anglo-Saxon Protestant character of the West Coast, and the Scots-Irish evangelical and West African Baptist character of the southern Midwest South. [[/note]] and UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} at a minimum -- and is often extended to everything east of the Sierra Nevada and [[Series/ThirtyRock west of the Alleghenies]] (if not the Hudson River).



** [[UsefulNotes/StLouis St. Louis]]
** UsefulNotes/KansasCity

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** [[UsefulNotes/StLouis St. Louis]]
Louis]]: Once one of America's premiere cities, it's since become a poster child for urban decay. Home to the Cardinals, the Gateway Arch, Lambert International Airport, and it's own unique forms of pizza and barbecue. Hosted the 1904 Summer Olympics for some reason. Residents hate those from Kansas City and/or Chicago.
** UsefulNotes/KansasCity[[UsefulNotes/KansasCity Kansas City]]: Chicago's less-attractive little sister. Baseball, barbecue, jazz music, and organized crime galore. Known for it's high incomes, large meatpacking industry, and endless mess of suburban sprawl.



** [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis and St. Paul]]

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** [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis and St. Paul]]Paul]]: A strange blend of West Coast weirdness and Midwestern friendliness. The main business center between Chicago and Seattle and home to a massive theater scene and a thriving Somali community, as well as a major airline hub and the only 24-hour rapid transit system outside of New York or Chicago. Do not get stuck there in the winter unless you like slowly freezing to death.



** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes due to its urban decay.
** UsefulNotes/{{Toledo|Ohio}} - It's where Jeeps get made.

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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the The butt of many jokes due to its urban decay.
decay. [[NeverLiveItDown The river]] [[EpicFail caught fire once]]
** UsefulNotes/{{Toledo|Ohio}} - It's where Jeeps get made. Other than that, it's just another sleepy Midwestern manufacturing town that's well past its prime.



* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormon|ism}}s in general, are essentially {{Mi|nnesotaNice}}dwestern {{ste|pfordSmiler}}reotypes cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest,[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]] before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormon|ism}}s UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}}s in general, are essentially {{Mi|nnesotaNice}}dwestern {{ste|pfordSmiler}}reotypes [[MinnesotaNice Midwestern]][[StepfordSmiler stereotypes]] cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest,[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]] before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.
23rd Dec '17 3:37:41 AM InfinityPlusTwo
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Sparsely populated, largely rural, and lacking in photogenic glamor, it rarely shows up in works which attempt to appear trendy or up-to-date. It gets much more play in political circles, however, as the quirks of the American electoral system make appeals to smaller states essential. When one talks about the "red state/blue state" divide in American politics, this is what is meant by "red state" -- conservative-leaning rural/suburban areas where UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}}, chain restaurants, [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches church]], [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem high school football]], and the Republican Party are pillars of local communities. The phrase "flyover country" was, in fact, coined by right-wing [[TalkShow talk radio]] hosts, to ridicule their imagined concept of what coastal liberal elites thought of the American interior. (Although this is only true in certain parts of the midwest; Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin are generally considered blue states.)

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Sparsely populated, largely rural, and lacking in photogenic glamor, it rarely shows up in works which attempt to appear trendy or up-to-date. It gets much more play in political circles, however, as the quirks of the American electoral system make appeals to smaller states essential. When one talks about the "red state/blue state" divide in American politics, this is what is meant by "red state" -- conservative-leaning rural/suburban areas where UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}}, chain restaurants, [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches church]], [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem high school football]], and the Republican Party are pillars of local communities. The phrase "flyover country" was, in fact, coined by right-wing [[TalkShow talk radio]] hosts, to ridicule their imagined concept of what coastal liberal elites thought of the American interior. (Although this is only true in certain parts of the midwest; Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin are generally considered blue states.)
The latter two would be better described as purple states than blue, though; both Wisconsin and Michigan's state governments have been largely under Republican control since 2011, and both voted (very narrowly) for Donald Trump in the 2016 Elections)
18th Nov '17 12:26:24 PM Malady
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These nuances and many more tend to be lost on Hollywood. Shows based in one of the coasts will lovingly show details of the landmarks and locales, while Midwestern locations are either fictionalized or used as a generic backdrop. For example, ''Series/SexAndTheCity'' used real-life bars and restaurants in NYC as the girls' hangouts. Meanwhile, GarryMarshall, the producer of ''Series/HappyDays'' and its SpinOff ''Series/LaverneAndShirley'', never set foot in UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}} until long after both shows ended, leading to a horrifically inaccurate portrayal of the city that may have hurt its actual economic and cultural growth.

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These nuances and many more tend to be lost on Hollywood. Shows based in one of the coasts will lovingly show details of the landmarks and locales, while Midwestern locations are either fictionalized or used as a generic backdrop. For example, ''Series/SexAndTheCity'' used real-life bars and restaurants in NYC as the girls' hangouts. Meanwhile, GarryMarshall, Creator/GarryMarshall, the producer of ''Series/HappyDays'' and its SpinOff ''Series/LaverneAndShirley'', never set foot in UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}} until long after both shows ended, leading to a horrifically inaccurate portrayal of the city that may have hurt its actual economic and cultural growth.
11th Nov '17 2:23:30 PM WillKeaton
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* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormon|ism}}s in general, are essentially {{Mi|nnesotaNice}}dwestern {{ste|pfordSmiler}}reotypes cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]], before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Utah}}: Despite being located quite far from the Midwest, most stereotypes of the state, and of UsefulNotes/{{Mormon|ism}}s in general, are essentially {{Mi|nnesotaNice}}dwestern {{ste|pfordSmiler}}reotypes cranked UpToEleven. Mormonism did indeed spend many of its formative years in the Midwest[[note]]Specifically, Midwest,[[note]]Specifically, in Jackson, Clay, and Caldwell Counties in Missouri, and later in Nauvoo, Illinois. It originated in upstate New York[[/note]], York[[/note]] before heading to what's now Utah in search of a land without a pre-existing Christian population to disapprove of their religion. Many of the early Mormon converts in Europe also came from Scandinavia, not unlike the upper Midwest, and moved to Utah soon after.
11th Nov '17 2:23:05 PM WillKeaton
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Needless to say, the truth is a little more complicated than that. While the states of the central U.S. do skew more rural than urban, the cities therein are as cosmopolitan as any coastal town. There's plenty of culture, style, and nightlife to be found in cities like [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis]], UsefulNotes/KansasCity, or Omaha (a full list of oft-featured cities is included at the end), and they have a much lower cost of living than the coasts--even Chicago, the great metropolis of the Midwest, is cheaper than NYC or LA (although not by much). And even some of the smaller towns, like Boulder, Colorado[[note]]where ''Series/MorkAndMindy'' was set[[/note]] and Ann Arbor, UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}}[[note]]home of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan[[/note]], have their own quirks. There are very few states in the US that don't have at least ''one'' significant metropolitan area (likewise, New York State and California both have conservative rural areas of their own as well).

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Needless to say, the truth is a little more complicated than that. While the states of the central U.S. do skew more rural than urban, the cities therein are as cosmopolitan as any coastal town. There's plenty of culture, style, and nightlife to be found in cities like [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis]], UsefulNotes/KansasCity, or Omaha (a full list of oft-featured cities is included at the end), and they have a much lower cost of living than the coasts--even Chicago, the great metropolis of the Midwest, is cheaper than NYC or LA (although not by much). And even some of the smaller towns, like Boulder, Colorado[[note]]where ''Series/MorkAndMindy'' was set[[/note]] and Ann Arbor, UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}}[[note]]home UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}},[[note]]home of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan[[/note]], UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan[[/note]] have their own quirks. There are very few states in the US that don't have at least ''one'' significant metropolitan area (likewise, New York State and California both have conservative rural areas of their own as well).
3rd Nov '17 11:48:56 AM zarpaulus
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** UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}}: Beer, motorcycles, ''Series/HappyDays'', and crime. The mayor got beaten with a pipe once. Non-residents of the state seem to think this is the only city in the state.
** Madison: More Beer, the Badgers, a metric ton of restaurants and bars, hippies, and crime. 'The Boy Who Drank Too Much' was largely filmed here. Some exterior shots in ''Film/BackToSchool'' were as well. Former home of both Clyde Stubblefield and a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War POW camp]].

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** UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}}: Beer, motorcycles, ''Series/HappyDays'', and crime.''Series/HappyDays''. The mayor got beaten with a pipe once. Non-residents of the state seem to think this is the only city in the state.
** Madison: More Beer, the Badgers, a metric ton of restaurants and bars, hippies, and crime.hippies. 'The Boy Who Drank Too Much' was largely filmed here. Some exterior shots in ''Film/BackToSchool'' were as well. Former home of both Clyde Stubblefield and a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War POW camp]].
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