History Main / FlyoverCountry

24th Nov '16 8:01:31 PM Midna
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** UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}}, though this depends on who you're asking. It's big enough that many people consider it a separate entity, and nationally, it's spoken of by conservatives (especially those from ''southern'' Illinois) in the same derisive terms as the East and West Coasts, with TheMafia and [[BombThrowingAnarchist Bomb Throwing Anarchists]] thrown in for good measure. However, it's still looked down upon by more provincial New Yorkers as a "wannabe" BigApplesauce, only with worse weather. Plus, the city is relatively isolated compared to New York and LA; outside the Chicagoland metro area are cornfields and Milwaukee. In other words, Chicago is stuck in a twilight zone on the edge of Flyover Country -- too urban for Middle America, too Midwestern for the coasts. A sharp contrast to...

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** UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}}, though this depends on who you're asking. It's big enough that many people consider it a separate entity, and nationally, it's spoken of by conservatives (especially those from ''southern'' Illinois) in the same derisive terms as the East and West Coasts, with TheMafia and [[BombThrowingAnarchist Bomb Throwing Anarchists]] {{bomb throwing anarchist}}s thrown in for good measure. However, it's still looked down upon by more provincial New Yorkers as a "wannabe" BigApplesauce, only with worse weather. Plus, the city is relatively isolated compared to New York and LA; outside the Chicagoland metro area are cornfields and Milwaukee. In other words, Chicago is stuck in a twilight zone on the edge of Flyover Country -- too urban for Middle America, too Midwestern for the coasts. A sharp contrast to...


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** On occasion you'll find reference to Dallas, Houston, or Austin, among the few major cities in the state and generally spots of blue in a sea of red. Basically, they are to Texas what Chicago is to Illinois.
5th Oct '16 10:25:16 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes, which may or may not have to do with its large African American culture, its DyingTown reputation and the fact that ''all'' its professional sports franchises are consistently abysmal, sometimes in ways not thought humanly possible. This is especially true for the Cleveland Browns of the [[UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague NFL]].
** Wrong. The Cleveland Cavaliers just won the NBA Championship!

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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes, which may or may not have to do with its large African American culture, its DyingTown reputation reputation, and the fact that ''all'' its professional sports franchises are consistently abysmal, sometimes in ways not thought humanly possible. This is especially true for the Cleveland Browns of the [[UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague NFL]].
** Wrong.
NFL]]. The Cleveland Cavaliers just won of the NBA Championship!are the lone exception, having gone from another Cleveland sports laughingstock to a perennial contender for the conference title virtually overnight during the [=LeBron=] James era, and even winning the NBA Finals in 2016, breaking the city's 52-year championship drought (in ''all'' professional sports).
5th Oct '16 10:19:59 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Iowa: A sea of corn that people only ever care about every four years, when it plays a pivotal role as the first state in the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Presidential primary cycle]], leading journalists and pollsters to swarm the state and politicians to embarrass themselves trying to pander to its 3.1 million people. (If you're wondering why [[AllNaturalSnakeOil corn ethanol]] was ever taken seriously as an alternative energy source: this is why.) After that, it vanishes back into obscurity even before the actual election; despite being a swing state these days, its small population means that it's rarely a decisive factor in the election like Ohio is.



* Nebraska: Farmland extraordinaire, populated with fat old guys in denim overalls and straw hats, chewing on a stalk of wheat and talking (slowly) about whether it's rained enough this year. Completely ignorant of the outside world, and, if the writer's sympathetic, struggling with drought, debt, bad markets, or all three.[[note]]This is all nonsense, of course. Nebraska farmers wear baseball caps, not straw hats.[[/note]]

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* Nebraska: Farmland extraordinaire, populated with fat old guys in denim overalls and straw hats, chewing on a stalk of wheat and talking (slowly) about whether it's rained enough this year. Completely ignorant of the outside world, world (probably because [[OfferVoidInNebraska all offers are void there]]), and, if the writer's sympathetic, struggling with drought, debt, bad markets, or all three.[[note]]This is all nonsense, of course. Nebraska farmers wear baseball caps, not straw hats.[[/note]]



* Pennsylvania (outside of UsefulNotes/{{Philadelphia}})

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* Pennsylvania UsefulNotes/{{Pennsylvania}} (outside of UsefulNotes/{{Philadelphia}})
4th Oct '16 1:58:55 PM WaryHoglet
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Sparsely populated, largely rural, and lacking in photogenic glamor, it rarely shows up in works which attempt to appear trendy or up-to-date. It gets much more play in political circles, however, as the quirks of the American electoral system make appeals to smaller states essential. When one talks about the "red state/blue state" divide in American politics, this is what is meant by "red state" -- conservative-leaning rural/suburban areas where UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}}, chain restaurants, [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches church]], [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem high school football]], and the Republican Party are pillars of local communities. The phrase "flyover country" was, in fact, coined by right-wing [[TalkShow talk radio]] hosts, to ridicule their imagined concept of what coastal liberal elites thought of the American interior.

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Sparsely populated, largely rural, and lacking in photogenic glamor, it rarely shows up in works which attempt to appear trendy or up-to-date. It gets much more play in political circles, however, as the quirks of the American electoral system make appeals to smaller states essential. When one talks about the "red state/blue state" divide in American politics, this is what is meant by "red state" -- conservative-leaning rural/suburban areas where UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}}, chain restaurants, [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches church]], [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem high school football]], and the Republican Party are pillars of local communities. The phrase "flyover country" was, in fact, coined by right-wing [[TalkShow talk radio]] hosts, to ridicule their imagined concept of what coastal liberal elites thought of the American interior.
interior. (Although this is only true in certain parts of the midwest; Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin are generally considered blue states.)
14th Sep '16 1:53:38 PM gman992
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** Wrong. The Cleveland Cavaliers just won the NBA Championship!
1st Jul '16 11:22:23 PM Abodos
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* [[EverythingIsBigInTexas Texas]]

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* [[EverythingIsBigInTexas Texas]]Texas]], though its size and resulting diversity mean that there's usually lots of overlap with tropes that apply more specifically to the DeepSouth and American Southwest.
15th May '16 12:24:29 AM KYCubbie
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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes, which may or may not have to do with its large African American culture, its DyingTown reputation and the fact that ''all'' its professional sports franchises are consistently abysmal, sometimes in ways not thought humanly possible. This is especially true for the Cleveland Browns of the NFL.

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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes, which may or may not have to do with its large African American culture, its DyingTown reputation and the fact that ''all'' its professional sports franchises are consistently abysmal, sometimes in ways not thought humanly possible. This is especially true for the Cleveland Browns of the NFL.[[UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague NFL]].



** Columbus: Rarely seen or mentioned in fiction, but it's another hotbed of sociological study and commercial test runs due to its racial and age demographics closely mirroring the United States as a whole. Furthermore, the city lacks a strong regional identity, even compared to other Ohio cities. Basically, it's Peoria or Muncie as a major metropolis.

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** Columbus: Rarely seen or mentioned in fiction, fiction[[note]](''Series/FamilyTies'' was about the only major media production in recent decades to prominently feature Columbus)[[/note]], but it's another hotbed of sociological study and commercial test runs due to its racial and age demographics closely mirroring the United States as a whole. Furthermore, the city lacks a strong regional identity, even compared to other Ohio cities. Basically, it's Peoria or Muncie as a major metropolis.



** Pennsylvania itself has a mini flyover country. The state is often described as "Philly in the east, Pittsburgh in the west, and [[DeepSouth Kentucky/Alabama/]]''Film/{{Deliverance}}'' in beween," referring to the large rural zone in the middle of the state where coal mining, farming, and manufacturing make up the economic backbone. The nickname "Pennsyltucky" (or, more politely, "The T"[[note]]If you remove the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh metropolitan areas from Pennsylvania, what you have left is shaped roughly like the letter T. "The T" is used far more in political circles than "Pennysltucky", as the latter can be seen as insulting, especially when used by an [[NWordPrivileges urban politician]].[[/note]]) describes this region with either derision or SelfDeprecation.

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** Pennsylvania itself has a mini flyover country. The state is often described as "Philly in the east, Pittsburgh in the west, and [[DeepSouth Kentucky/Alabama/]]''Film/{{Deliverance}}'' in beween," between," referring to the large rural zone in the middle of the state where coal mining, farming, and manufacturing make up the economic backbone. The nickname "Pennsyltucky" (or, more politely, "The T"[[note]]If you remove the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh metropolitan areas from Pennsylvania, what you have left is shaped roughly like the letter T. "The T" is used far more in political circles than "Pennysltucky", as the latter can be seen as insulting, especially when used by an [[NWordPrivileges urban politician]].[[/note]]) describes this region with either derision or SelfDeprecation.



3rd Apr '16 10:05:36 AM DesertDragon
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** UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}

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** UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}: Its industrial legacy paints it as a blue collar paradise, which held true until the 80's or so when the factories started shutting down and its economy became more service-based like other cities in the region. Nowadays it has a more mixed culture.
23rd Jan '16 8:45:55 AM Jhonny
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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}}

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** UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}}UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} - the butt of many jokes, which may or may not have to do with its large African American culture, its DyingTown reputation and the fact that ''all'' its professional sports franchises are consistently abysmal, sometimes in ways not thought humanly possible. This is especially true for the Cleveland Browns of the NFL.
15th Jan '16 6:46:20 AM DesertDragon
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Needless to say, the truth is a little more complicated than that. While the states of the central U.S. do skew more rural than urban, the cities therein are as cosmopolitan as any coastal town. There's plenty of culture, style, and nightlife to be found in cities like [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis]], UsefulNotes/KansasCity, or Omaha (a full list of oft-featured cities is included at the end), and they have a much lower cost of living than the coasts--even Chicago, the great metropolis of the Midwest, is cheaper than NYC or LA (although not by much). The "red state" perception is pretty off, too: although much of this region is a Republican stronghold, the Great Lakes region is either more or less solidly blue in presidential and senatorial races (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan) or seriously contested (Indiana and dear Lord ''Ohio''), and some other states can be pretty competitive (Missouri, Iowa, and Colorado in particular, although even Nebraska and Kansas get in on the act sometimes).[[note]]They'd be pretty close in Congressional contests, too, if it weren't for gerrymandering and the first-past-the-post system.[[/note]] And even some of the smaller towns, like Boulder, Colorado[[note]]where ''Series/MorkAndMindy'' was set[[/note]] and Ann Arbor, UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}}[[note]]home of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan[[/note]], have their own quirks. There are very few states in the US that don't have at least ''one'' significant metropolitan area. Likewise, New York State and California both have conservative rural areas of their own.

Politically, the cities and their metro areas are also more liberal than the surrounding region. Many of them are ([[DyingTown or were]]) industrial towns with a strong presence of labor unions and minorities, plus college students who stuck around after finishing. In fact, people in the surrounding, rural areas who don't fit in with the arch-conservative lifestyle will tend to relocate to the nearest decent-sized city. These factors frequently produce Democratic islands within states that are otherwise Republican strongholds. Many don't realize that Milwaukee was one of the hotbeds of the Socialist Party up until the second RedScare, and while North Dakota does lean to the right, it has a publicly-owned banking system unique in the nation. (That said, ''social'' conservatism really is stronger here on average than on the coasts, even if economic populism frequently trumps it.)

Culturally also, the flyover region is a lot more diverse than popular folklore tends to credit it. Not merely Protestant in religion, its towns and neighborhoods may instead be heavily Catholic, Jewish, or (at least in the case of Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit) Muslim. To stereotype everyone here as "[[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant white Anglo-Saxon]] except for the blacks in the inner cities" is also grossly inaccurate; not only are most white Midwesterners of German rather than English stock, but the area's population since the early twentieth century has been an astonishing cross-section of ethnicities from all parts of Europe, and in some cases Asia too (the aforementioned Lebanese, Syrian and Iraqi Moslems have been in Dearborn for an entire century, and there is a surprisingly large Thai-American community in Iowa). There are even quite a few Native reservations (no, reservations aren't all in Arizona and New Mexico), including the Lakota (Sioux) community in South Dakota and the Ojibwa (Chippewa) community in Minnesota. The region has more African immigrants than you might imagine as well, with Minneapolis and Iowa of all places having rather large communities of Africans.

These nuances and many more tend to be lost on Hollywood. Shows based in one of the coasts will lovingly show details of the landmarks and locales, while Midwestern locations are either fictionalized or used as a generic backdrop. For example, ''SexAndTheCity'' used real-life bars and restaurants in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity as the girls' hangouts. Meanwhile, GarryMarshall, the producer of ''Series/HappyDays'' and its SpinOff ''Series/LaverneAndShirley'', never set foot in UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}} until long after both shows ended, leading to a horrifically inaccurate portrayal of the city that may have hurt its actual economic and cultural growth.

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Needless to say, the truth is a little more complicated than that. While the states of the central U.S. do skew more rural than urban, the cities therein are as cosmopolitan as any coastal town. There's plenty of culture, style, and nightlife to be found in cities like [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities Minneapolis]], UsefulNotes/KansasCity, or Omaha (a full list of oft-featured cities is included at the end), and they have a much lower cost of living than the coasts--even Chicago, the great metropolis of the Midwest, is cheaper than NYC or LA (although not by much). The "red state" perception is pretty off, too: although much of this region is a Republican stronghold, the Great Lakes region is either more or less solidly blue in presidential and senatorial races (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan) or seriously contested (Indiana and dear Lord ''Ohio''), and some other states can be pretty competitive (Missouri, Iowa, and Colorado in particular, although even Nebraska and Kansas get in on the act sometimes).[[note]]They'd be pretty close in Congressional contests, too, if it weren't for gerrymandering and the first-past-the-post system.[[/note]] And even some of the smaller towns, like Boulder, Colorado[[note]]where ''Series/MorkAndMindy'' was set[[/note]] and Ann Arbor, UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}}[[note]]home of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan[[/note]], have their own quirks. There are very few states in the US that don't have at least ''one'' significant metropolitan area. Likewise, area (likewise, New York State and California both have conservative rural areas of their own.

own as well).

Politically, the these cities and their metro areas are also tend to be much more liberal than liberal--socially and economically--than the surrounding region. Many of them are ([[DyingTown or were]]) industrial towns with a strong presence of labor unions and minorities, plus college students who stuck around after finishing.graduating. In fact, people in the surrounding, rural areas who don't fit in with the arch-conservative lifestyle will tend to relocate to the nearest decent-sized city. These factors frequently produce Democratic islands within states that are otherwise Republican strongholds. Many don't realize that Milwaukee was one of the hotbeds of the Socialist Party up until the second RedScare, and while North Dakota does lean to the right, it has a publicly-owned banking system unique in the nation. (That said, ''social'' conservatism really is stronger here on average than on the coasts, even if economic populism frequently trumps it.)

Culturally also,
nation.

Culturally,
the flyover region is a lot more diverse in religion and ethnicity than popular folklore tends to credit it. Not merely Protestant in religion, its towns Most people are aware of the large African-American and neighborhoods may instead be heavily Catholic, Jewish, or (at least in Latino populations within the case of Dearborn, a cities, but there's more to it than that. For example, the Detroit suburb of Detroit) Muslim. To stereotype everyone here as "[[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant white Anglo-Saxon]] except for the blacks in the inner cities" is also grossly inaccurate; not only are most white Midwesterners of German rather than English stock, but the area's Dearborn has had a healthy Arab population since the early twentieth for over a century has been an astonishing cross-section of ethnicities from all parts of Europe, and is home to the largest mosque in some cases Asia too (the aforementioned Lebanese, Syrian North America, and Iraqi Moslems have been in Dearborn for an entire century, and there is a surprisingly large Thai-American community in Iowa). There are even quite a few several Native American reservations (no, reservations aren't all are located in Arizona and New Mexico), including the Lakota (Sioux) community in South Dakota Minnesota, Wisconsin, and the Ojibwa (Chippewa) community in Minnesota. The region has more African immigrants than you might imagine as well, with Minneapolis and Iowa of all places having rather large communities of Africans.

Dakotas.

These nuances and many more tend to be lost on Hollywood. Shows based in one of the coasts will lovingly show details of the landmarks and locales, while Midwestern locations are either fictionalized or used as a generic backdrop. For example, ''SexAndTheCity'' ''Series/SexAndTheCity'' used real-life bars and restaurants in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity NYC as the girls' hangouts. Meanwhile, GarryMarshall, the producer of ''Series/HappyDays'' and its SpinOff ''Series/LaverneAndShirley'', never set foot in UsefulNotes/{{Milwaukee}} until long after both shows ended, leading to a horrifically inaccurate portrayal of the city that may have hurt its actual economic and cultural growth.



As mentioned above, if a show is actually based in one of the cities here, whether or not it's a subversion of this trope depends on how much research the writer has done (read: usually not much). However, the following tropes and locales of Middle America feature highly in the media:

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As mentioned above, if a show is actually based in one of the cities here, whether or not it's a subversion of this trope depends on how much research the writer has done (read: usually not much).done. However, the following tropes and locales of Middle America feature highly in the media:
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