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9th Jan '17 6:34:20 PM DustSnitch
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* Even though Creator/LiamNeeson rarely plays hot-headed hooligans (except when parodying {{Oireland}} stereotypes -- see his cameos on ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''), he virtually always plays a {{badass}} of some stripe. Famous Neeson characters include Qui-Gon Jinn in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', Bryan Mills in ''Film/{{Taken}}'', and Aslan in ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. He also played Good Cop/Bad Cop in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', in which he alternated between a cheerful OfficerOHara-type (Good Cop) and a ruthless sadist who's closer to this trope (Bad Cop).

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* Even though Creator/LiamNeeson rarely plays hot-headed hooligans (except when parodying {{Oireland}} stereotypes -- see his cameos on ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''), he virtually always plays a {{badass}} badass of some stripe. Famous Neeson characters include Qui-Gon Jinn in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', Bryan Mills in ''Film/{{Taken}}'', and Aslan in ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. He also played Good Cop/Bad Cop in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', in which he alternated between a cheerful OfficerOHara-type (Good Cop) and a ruthless sadist who's closer to this trope (Bad Cop).
6th Dec '16 8:30:05 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Even though Creator/LiamNeeson rarely plays hot-headed hooligans (except when parodying {{Oireland}} stereotypes -- see ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''), he virtually always plays a {{badass}} of some stripe. Famous Neeson characters include Qui-Gon Jinn in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', Bryan Mills in ''Film/{{Taken}}'', and Aslan in ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. He also played Good Cop/Bad Cop in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', in which he alternated between a cheerful OfficerOHara-type (Good Cop) and a ruthless sadist who's closer to this trope (Bad Cop).

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* Even though Creator/LiamNeeson rarely plays hot-headed hooligans (except when parodying {{Oireland}} stereotypes -- see his cameos on ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''), he virtually always plays a {{badass}} of some stripe. Famous Neeson characters include Qui-Gon Jinn in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', Bryan Mills in ''Film/{{Taken}}'', and Aslan in ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. He also played Good Cop/Bad Cop in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', in which he alternated between a cheerful OfficerOHara-type (Good Cop) and a ruthless sadist who's closer to this trope (Bad Cop).



--> '''Milhouse: Look out, Itchy. He's Irish!

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--> '''Milhouse: '''Milhouse:''' Look out, Itchy. He's Irish!
5th Dec '16 8:31:53 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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This can be [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible played many ways]]. A good-natured BoisterousBruiser who favors his fists is typical of many recent examples; boxing has a long history in Ireland and among Irish-Americans. Negative portrayals are more common the farther back you go. More thuggish examples will often carry a [[CarryABigStick shillelagh]], a traditional knobby cudgel that has become a symbol of Irish culture as well as its violence. Even darker examples might be remorseless {{Blood Knight}}s, tyrannical bullies, or terrorist psychopaths. If a Fighting Irishman is or was in the [[UsefulNotes/TheTroubles Irish Republican Army]] expect him to have at least a bit of the MadBomber thrown in.

This may very slowly be becoming a DiscreditedTrope; while in the 19th century Irish soldiers did indeed make up a disproportionate number of soldiers in the [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire British]] and [[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar American]] armies (and are still allowed to join the British Army) times have moved on even if the stereotype hasn't. [[RealityIsUnrealistic Ironically]], Ireland is one of very few countries to become independent in the 20th century to have ''never'' been in an international war. During UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo it remained neutral and turned down a 1949 offer to join UsefulNotes/{{NATO}}. In fact, the Irish military has a good reputation as peacekeepers. The island also has a low rate of violent crime by international standards. In recent years, Irish boxers have had success at the UsefulNotes/OlympicGames.

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This can be [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible played many ways]]. A good-natured BoisterousBruiser who favors his fists is typical of many recent examples; boxing has a long history in Ireland and among Irish-Americans.Irish-Americans, and in recent years, Irish boxers have had success at the UsefulNotes/OlympicGames.. Negative portrayals are more common the farther back you go. More thuggish examples will often carry a [[CarryABigStick shillelagh]], a traditional knobby cudgel that has become a symbol of Irish culture as well as its violence. Even darker examples might be remorseless {{Blood Knight}}s, tyrannical bullies, or terrorist psychopaths. If a Fighting Irishman is or was in the [[UsefulNotes/TheTroubles Irish Republican Army]] expect him to have at least a bit of the MadBomber thrown in.

This may very slowly be becoming a DiscreditedTrope; while in the 19th century Irish soldiers did indeed make up a disproportionate number of soldiers in the [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire British]] and [[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar American]] armies (and are still allowed to join the British Army) times have moved on even if the stereotype hasn't. [[RealityIsUnrealistic Ironically]], Ireland is one of very few countries to become independent in the 20th century to have ''never'' been in an international war. During UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo it remained neutral and turned down a 1949 offer to join UsefulNotes/{{NATO}}. In fact, the Irish military has a good reputation as peacekeepers. The island also has a low rate of violent crime by international standards. In recent years, Irish boxers have had success at the UsefulNotes/OlympicGames.\n



* Even though Creator/LiamNeeson rarely plays hot-headed hooligans (except when parodying {{Oireland}} stereotypes -- see ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''), he virtually always plays a {{badass}} of some stripe. Famous Neeson characters include Qui-Gon Jinn in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', Bryan Mills in ''Film/{{Taken}}'', and Aslan in ''Film/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. He also played Good Cop/Bad Cop in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', in which he alternated between a cheerful OfficerOHara-type (Good Cop) and a ruthless sadist who's closer to this trope (Bad Cop).



-->'''Principal Skinner:''' Yes, Seamus, 90 minutes of watching a man drink in a bathtub. Well, I think we should try the Springfield Speaker's Bureau. (''leans out window'') Seamus, uh, we won't need you to speak anymore.
-->'''Seamus:''' What?! (''looks at Willie'') Oh, this is your doing, Willie. I'll turn your groin to pudding!

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-->'''Principal Skinner:''' Yes, Seamus, 90 minutes of watching a man drink in a bathtub. Well, I think we should try the Springfield Speaker's Bureau. (''leans [''leans out window'') window''] Seamus, uh, we won't need you to speak anymore.
-->'''Seamus:''' What?! (''looks [''looks at Willie'') Willie''] Oh, this is your doing, Willie. I'll turn your groin to pudding!



-->(''Seamus and Willie start fighting'')

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-->(''Seamus -->[''Seamus and Willie start fighting'')fighting'']
** Bart and Milhouse watch an old ''Itchy and Scratchy'' cartoon from UsefulNotes/TheSilentAgeOfAnimation, titled "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElLxayE_Zfs Manhattan Madness]]." The cartoon features a segment in which "Itchy runs afoul of an Irishman."
--> '''Milhouse: Look out, Itchy. He's Irish!
29th Nov '16 1:05:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* In one of the St. Patrick's Day episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', Springfield's Protestant and Catholic Irish populations remember how much they hate each other when they aren't allowed to drink. Cue orgy of violence.

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In one of the St. Patrick's Day episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', episodes, Springfield's Protestant and Catholic Irish populations remember how much they hate each other when they aren't allowed to drink. Cue orgy of violence.



* In ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', drunken violence is portrayed as a standard evening's entertainment when Peter travels to Ireland to find his real father.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', drunken ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'':
** Drunken
violence is portrayed as a standard evening's entertainment when Peter travels to Ireland to find his real father.
29th Nov '16 1:04:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* Ireland's NationalAnthem "Amhrán na bhFiann"/"A Soldier's Song". Now, to be fair, a ''lot'' of national anthems are partially or entirely about how incredibly good the country in question is at war. Ireland's is still in the "entirely" category, being about how much Irish people fight and that's it.

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* Ireland's NationalAnthem "Amhrán na bhFiann"/"A Soldier's Song". Now, to be fair, a ''lot'' of national anthems are partially or entirely about how incredibly good the country in question is at war. Ireland's is still in the "entirely" category, being about how much Irish people fight and that's it.



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28th Nov '16 1:15:14 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/{{Commandos}}'': Jack [[KnifeNut "The Butcher"]] [[BadAss O'Hara]] is a prime example, being the resident BloodKnight and OneManArmy.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Commandos}}'': Jack [[KnifeNut "The Butcher"]] [[BadAss Butcher" O'Hara]] is a prime example, being the resident BloodKnight and OneManArmy.
11th Oct '16 4:19:38 PM Premonition45
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* Inverted in ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartIII'': Seamus [=McFly=] keeps counseling Marty about staying ''out'' of fights and keeping his cool, although this is probably because his own brother ''Martin'' was very much the embodiment of this trope. This didn't end well.

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* Inverted in ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartIII'': Seamus [=McFly=] keeps counseling his future great-great-grandson Marty about staying ''out'' of fights and keeping his cool, although this is probably because his own brother ''Martin'' was very much the embodiment of this trope. This didn't end well.
30th Sep '16 6:38:58 PM Premonition45
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--> '''Seamus''': Martin used to let men provoke him into fighting. He was concerned people would think him a coward if he refused. That's how he got a bowie knife shoved through his belly in a saloon in Virginia City.
* In ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', Wallace's most eagerly violent soldier is an Irishman who joined the campaign not for the sake of freedom, but for the chance to kill Englishmen. He's also insane, or [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation deeply religious with a sick sense of humor.]]

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--> '''Seamus''': -->'''Seamus''': Martin used to let men provoke him into fighting. He was concerned people would think him a coward if he refused. That's how he got a bowie knife shoved through his belly in a saloon in Virginia City.
* In ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', Wallace's most eagerly violent soldier is Stephen, [[NotInThisForYourRevolution an Irishman who joined the campaign not for the sake of freedom, but for the chance to kill Englishmen.Englishmen]]. He's also insane, or [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation deeply religious with a sick sense of humor.]]



** Another St. Patrick's Day episodes where Bart inadvertantly touches off a riot:
-->'''[[KentBrockmanNews KENT BROCKMAN]]:''' Drunkenness, fighting, destruction of property: are these really the qualities we associate with the Irish?

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** Another St. Patrick's Day episodes episode, "Homer vs. The Eighteenth Amendment" where Bart inadvertantly touches off a riot:
-->'''[[KentBrockmanNews KENT BROCKMAN]]:''' Kent Brockman]]:''' Drunkenness, fighting, destruction of property: are these really the qualities we associate with the Irish?Irish?
** In "I Am Furious (Yellow)", [[SuckySchool Springfield Elementary School budget is so low]] that they'd resorted to using [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie]] and his archnemesis Groundskeeper Seamus as guest speakers.
-->'''Principal Skinner:''' Yes, Seamus, 90 minutes of watching a man drink in a bathtub. Well, I think we should try the Springfield Speaker's Bureau. (''leans out window'') Seamus, uh, we won't need you to speak anymore.
-->'''Seamus:''' What?! (''looks at Willie'') Oh, this is your doing, Willie. I'll turn your groin to pudding!
-->'''Willie:''' Oh, you speak like a poet, but you punch like one, too!
-->(''Seamus and Willie start fighting'')
16th Sep '16 11:06:14 AM Morgenthaler
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** Stephen has stated on multiple occasions that, if he had a TimeMachine, he would challenge [[EnglishCivilWar Oliver Cromwell]] to a bare-knuckle fistfight on the banks of the River Shannon because "he drove [his] people west of [the river] to farm on rocks and gravel!"

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** Stephen has stated on multiple occasions that, if he had a TimeMachine, he would challenge [[EnglishCivilWar [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar Oliver Cromwell]] to a bare-knuckle fistfight on the banks of the River Shannon because "he drove [his] people west of [the river] to farm on rocks and gravel!"
29th Aug '16 12:37:39 AM JohnnyLurg
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* Coach John McGuirk from ''WesternAnimation/HomeMovies'' is Irish-American, an alcoholic, frequently aggressive and sometimes violent, and is stated on multiple occasions to have a criminal record.

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* Coach John McGuirk [=McGuirk=] from ''WesternAnimation/HomeMovies'' is Irish-American, an alcoholic, frequently aggressive and sometimes violent, and is stated on multiple occasions to have a criminal record.
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