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3rd Sep '16 7:44:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* The feud between the Habsburgs (also known as the House of Austria), rulers of the HolyRomanEmpire and Spain, and the Royal House of France (first the Valois, then the Bourbons, but both were branches of the same dynasty) which goes back at least to the Italian Wars of Charles V (Carlos I of Spain) and Francis I and went on for centuries despite frequent marriages between members of the two rival houses. Later, when nationalism arose, the "hereditary enmity" between the Habsburgs and their French rivals came to be reinterpreted as something between the French and German peoples.

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* The feud between the Habsburgs (also known as the House of Austria), rulers of the HolyRomanEmpire UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire and Spain, and the Royal House of France (first the Valois, then the Bourbons, but both were branches of the same dynasty) which goes back at least to the Italian Wars of Charles V (Carlos I of Spain) and Francis I and went on for centuries despite frequent marriages between members of the two rival houses. Later, when nationalism arose, the "hereditary enmity" between the Habsburgs and their French rivals came to be reinterpreted as something between the French and German peoples.
7th Aug '16 11:17:03 AM nombretomado
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* The two big [[TheFlash speedster]] families of TheDCU, the West/Allen line and Thawne line. Bart Allen - Impulse/Kid Flash II - is an heir to both, and aware of it, but totally neat in he doesn't angst over his lineage like most other people (he doesn't really think or talk about it unless you insist on pressing the issue) and practically laughs at Zoom's "corrupted bloodline" rant.

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* The two big [[TheFlash [[Franchise/TheFlash speedster]] families of TheDCU, Franchise/TheDCU, the West/Allen line and Thawne line. Bart Allen - Impulse/Kid Flash II - is an heir to both, and aware of it, but totally neat in he doesn't angst over his lineage like most other people (he doesn't really think or talk about it unless you insist on pressing the issue) and practically laughs at Zoom's "corrupted bloodline" rant.
24th Jul '16 8:53:27 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': Sileria has been torn apart by clan warfare for most of its history, with this being explicitly being stated as the major reason they stayed unable to unite against their foreign rulers. Later, this is used to the rebels' advantage, by having a blood feud sworn against the Valdani, as if they were just another Silerian clan.

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* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': Sileria has been torn apart by clan warfare for most of its history, with this being it explicitly being stated as the major reason they stayed unable to unite against their foreign rulers. Later, this is used to the rebels' advantage, by having a blood feud sworn against the Valdani, as if they were just another Silerian clan.
17th Jun '16 4:22:17 PM Doug86
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** The [=McCoys=] and Martins, in the 1939 short ''Naughty Neighbors''. The feud is broken up by a "non-aggression pact" (an allusion to then-looming WorldWarII) signed by the respective heads of the families (Porky and Petunia Pig).

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** The [=McCoys=] and Martins, in the 1939 short ''Naughty Neighbors''. The feud is broken up by a "non-aggression pact" (an allusion to then-looming WorldWarII) UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) signed by the respective heads of the families (Porky and Petunia Pig).



* The Bavarian town of Herzogenaurach, located about 15 miles northwest of Nuremberg, is today considered one of the greatest laboratories for sociologists thanks to a local family feud that has since expanded to ridiculous proportions. It all started in 1924 when hometown boys Adolf "Adi" Dassler and his brother Rudolf opened an athletic shoe company which is today known as Puma. The Dasslers achieved worldwide fame when Jesse Owens ran in their shoes when he won several gold medals at the 1936 UsefulNotes/OlympicGames. But the Dassler boys - the biggest employers in town - hated each others' guts, and their hatred for each other only grew worse during WorldWarII. In 1948, the brothers announced to their workers that their hatred for each other had reached an irreconcilable point and that Adi was leaving to open a rival company Adidas - on the other side of town, across the Aurach River. The employees then started choosing sides. After a quarter century, most of the people in town had relocated themselves to the side of the river that corresponded with whichever company they favored. Now the town - which had been united for over 900 years is like a house shared by two pissed-off divorcees who refuse to move out after everything else has been settled. Except that instead of two people, there are about 24,000 people. Today, each side of the river has its own businesses, athletic teams, schools, etc. And if you wear Pumas on the Adidas side of the river, or vice versa, you probably won't get served at local businesses, you probably will be heckled, and you may be assaulted.

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* The Bavarian town of Herzogenaurach, located about 15 miles northwest of Nuremberg, is today considered one of the greatest laboratories for sociologists thanks to a local family feud that has since expanded to ridiculous proportions. It all started in 1924 when hometown boys Adolf "Adi" Dassler and his brother Rudolf opened an athletic shoe company which is today known as Puma. The Dasslers achieved worldwide fame when Jesse Owens ran in their shoes when he won several gold medals at the 1936 UsefulNotes/OlympicGames. But the Dassler boys - the biggest employers in town - hated each others' guts, and their hatred for each other only grew worse during WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. In 1948, the brothers announced to their workers that their hatred for each other had reached an irreconcilable point and that Adi was leaving to open a rival company Adidas - on the other side of town, across the Aurach River. The employees then started choosing sides. After a quarter century, most of the people in town had relocated themselves to the side of the river that corresponded with whichever company they favored. Now the town - which had been united for over 900 years is like a house shared by two pissed-off divorcees who refuse to move out after everything else has been settled. Except that instead of two people, there are about 24,000 people. Today, each side of the river has its own businesses, athletic teams, schools, etc. And if you wear Pumas on the Adidas side of the river, or vice versa, you probably won't get served at local businesses, you probably will be heckled, and you may be assaulted.
4th Jun '16 4:41:48 PM Fireblood
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** The Starks and Lannisters. The only reason they are civil to each other is because Ned Stark's best friend Robert Baratheon married into the Lannister family. [[spoiler:But once Robert dies (and it's strongly hinted that his wife Cersei killed him so her bastards who she passes of as Robert's children could succeed), all bets are off and the Lannisters utterly devastate the Starks, though not without suffering some losses themselves.]] It's worth noting that Martin based this feud lightly on the UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses.

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** The Starks and Lannisters. The only reason they are civil to each other is because Ned Stark's best friend Robert Baratheon married into the Lannister family. [[spoiler:But once Robert dies (and it's strongly hinted that his wife Cersei killed him so her bastards who she passes of off as Robert's children could succeed), all bets are off and the Lannisters utterly devastate the Starks, though not without suffering some losses themselves.]] It's worth noting that Martin based this feud lightly on the UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses.



** A more civil example exists between Houses Tyrell and Martell--while not openly hostile towards each other like the Starks and Lannisters, they have a long enmity dating back centuries that they're still not entirely over today. They mostly get by using passive-aggressive digs at each other and giving whoever's in charge of dealing with them when they're in the same place a headache. A notable exception is Willas Tyrell and Oberyn Martell, who are pen pals who get along nicely, despite being the pretext for the current generation's mutual hatred; Oberyn crippled Willas in a tournament, and even though it was a fair match and a complete accident caused largely by NonActionGuy Willas being in a fight he had no business being in, the only Tyrell ''not'' to blame Oberyn (and thus the entire Martell family,) is Willas himself.

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** A more civil example exists between Houses Tyrell and Martell--while not openly hostile towards each other like the Starks and Lannisters, they have a long enmity dating back centuries that they're still not entirely over today. They mostly get by using passive-aggressive digs at each other and giving whoever's in charge of dealing with them when they're in the same place a headache. A notable exception is Willas Tyrell and Oberyn Martell, who are pen pals who and get along nicely, despite being the pretext for the current generation's mutual hatred; Oberyn crippled Willas in a tournament, and even though it was a fair match and a complete accident caused largely by NonActionGuy Willas being in a fight he had no business being in, the only Tyrell ''not'' to blame Oberyn (and thus the entire Martell family,) is Willas himself.



** The Starks of Winterfell and their vassals the Boltons of the [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Dreadfort]] feuded, the Boltons revolting numerous times and even sacking Winterfell, along with flaying some Stark Kings. [[spoiler:During the Red Wedding Roose Bolton murders Robb Stark, apparently ending the Starks in the Male Line. He is then named Warden of the North by the Lannisters and tries to legitimize his hold on the North by having his legitimized [[BastardBastard bastard]] [[{{Sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] marry a girl who is forced into the role as "Arya Stark", claiming that now their ancient feud will be forgotten. However, most of the North is still loyal to the Starks, who are not quite wiped out yet.]]

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** The Starks of Winterfell and their vassals the Boltons of the [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Dreadfort]] feuded, the Boltons revolting numerous times and even sacking Winterfell, along with flaying some Stark Kings. [[spoiler:During the Red Wedding Roose Bolton murders Robb Stark, apparently ending the Starks in the Male Line.male line. He is then named Warden of the North by the Lannisters and tries to legitimize his hold on the North by having his legitimized [[BastardBastard bastard]] [[{{Sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] marry a girl who is forced into the role as "Arya Stark", claiming that now their ancient feud will be forgotten. However, most of the North is still loyal to the Starks, who are not quite wiped out yet.]]



** In the novel ''Imzadi'', two planets have been hostile--not open warfare, but anger and resentment--for generations, until a window into the past reveals the extremely trivial origins of the hostility (A dog analogue owned by an official from one planet killed a cat analogue owned by an official of the other, which resulted in the first ever peace treaty to include a section about leash laws). It's played exactly like FeudingFamilies.

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** In the novel ''Imzadi'', two planets have been hostile--not open warfare, but anger and resentment--for generations, until a window into the past reveals the extremely trivial origins of the hostility (A (a dog analogue owned by an official from one planet killed a cat analogue owned by an official of the other, which resulted in the first ever first-ever peace treaty to include a section about leash laws). It's played exactly like FeudingFamilies.


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* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': Sileria has been torn apart by clan warfare for most of its history, with this being explicitly being stated as the major reason they stayed unable to unite against their foreign rulers. Later, this is used to the rebels' advantage, by having a blood feud sworn against the Valdani, as if they were just another Silerian clan.
28th May '16 11:07:26 PM Dravencour
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Many depictions of Feuding Families show a GreyAndGrayMorality, as the feuding parties are not evil but full of grief and rage, doing cruel things because of it.

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Many depictions of Feuding Families show a GreyAndGrayMorality, as the feuding parties are not evil but full committing cruel acts out of grief and rage, doing cruel things because of it.
rage.
28th May '16 11:05:05 PM Dravencour
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28th May '16 10:42:07 PM Dravencour
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# The near extinction of one or both warring families. Feuding clans usually start with picking out the men of their opponents. When they begin to kill the women and children too, that's the sign that things are headed straight to hell and there will be no conciliating. RevengeByProxy or SinsOfOurFathers are also ''bad'' signs.
# One family yields and [[TheMigration flees the area.]] This rarely happens, because people are stubborn like that and it's also anticlimactic. Plus, the other family might just chase them, [[MotiveDecay even if they started the feud to get them to leave in the first place]].

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# The near extinction of one or both warring families. Feuding clans usually start with picking out the men of their opponents. When they begin to kill the women and children too, that's the sign that things are headed straight to hell and there will be no conciliating. reconciliation. Other ''seriously'' bad signs are if the families engage in RevengeByProxy or visit the SinsOfOurFathers are also ''bad'' signs.
upon their children.
# One family yields and [[TheMigration flees the area.]] This rarely happens, because people are stubborn like that and it's also anticlimactic. Plus, the other family might just chase them, pursue them to finish the job, [[MotiveDecay even if they started the feud to get them to leave in the first place]].
28th May '16 10:36:19 PM Dravencour
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* ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' has an especially pointless one as part of the backstory: The royal family split up, with the older set of [[ExoticExtendedMarriage princesses marrying one husband]] and the younger set another. When the older princesses' husband turned out to be infertile, the younger princesses insisted that ''their'' offspring should be considered heirs to the throne. The losing part of the family was executed down to the last woman. [[spoiler: Not the last man: Prince Alannon was kidnapped by a couple of spies during the war, became their husband, and the grandfather of protagonist Jerin.]]

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* ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' has an especially pointless one as part of the backstory: The royal family split up, with the older set of [[ExoticExtendedMarriage princesses marrying one husband]] and the younger set another. When the older princesses' husband turned out to be infertile, the younger princesses insisted that ''their'' offspring should be considered heirs to the throne. The losing part of the family was executed down to the last woman. [[spoiler: Not [[spoiler:But not the last man: Prince Alannon was kidnapped by a couple of spies during the war, became their husband, and the grandfather of protagonist Jerin.]]
26th May '16 5:32:30 AM HeraldAlberich
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* The Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar novel ''Closer to Home'' concerns the feud between the noble houses Chendlar and Raeylen. The Valdamaran royalty had managed to keep the feud to a low simmer for several years by manipulating Court so that the families were never there at the same time, but this winter season they both show up looking to [[ArrangedMarriage arrange marriages]] for their offspring. The protagonist, Herald Mags, practices his spycraft on this relatively low-stakes scenario, keeping the families' young hotheads away from each other. Like Juliet, a naïve daughter of House Chendlar falls head-over-heels for the brash son of House Raeylen, but unlike Romeo, he is manipulative and uses her in a scheme to kill off both families and inherit their lands. When all is settled, the chagrined survivors agree to [[AltarDiplomacy try and intermarry]] in order to resolve the feud.

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* The Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar novel ''Closer to Home'' concerns the feud between the noble houses Chendlar and Raeylen. The Valdamaran royalty had managed to keep the feud to a low simmer for several years by manipulating Court so that the families were never there at the same time, but this winter season they both show up looking to [[ArrangedMarriage arrange marriages]] for their offspring. The protagonist, Herald Mags, practices his spycraft on this relatively low-stakes scenario, keeping the families' young hotheads away from each other. Like Juliet, a naïve daughter of House Chendlar falls head-over-heels for the brash son of House Raeylen, but unlike [[spoiler:unlike Romeo, he is manipulative and uses her in a scheme to kill off both families and inherit their lands. lands]]. When all is settled, the [[spoiler:the chagrined survivors agree to [[AltarDiplomacy try and intermarry]] in order to resolve the feud.feud]].
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