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22nd May '16 7:52:11 AM HighCrate
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** Certainly there is feudalism, but besides it looking futuristic to us simple humans, George Lucas did write "A long time ago..."
*** In earlier drafts of the script, Alderaan was to be the center and capital of the galaxy (now Coruscant), and Leia was probably meant to be related to the emperor by blood in some way.
7th May '16 7:33:28 AM bravo104
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Likewise it should be noted that democratic republics predate the middle ages in Europe, which to a large extent occurred specifically because the last of them at the time (Rome) imploded so totally and left behind such a vacuum. So it's probably not so far fetched when you really think about it. Feudalism is at it's core a system driven by whatever handful of intense individual personalities are active at any given moment, and therefore it's likely to spring up in some form wherever ideologically or culturally driven institutions have failed nearly totally leaving behind a distressed populace that's just desperate for organization/direction. It is not at all implausible to think it could happen again, in fact one could even argue that the world might be heading in that general direction even now.

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Likewise it should be noted that democratic republics predate the middle ages in Europe, which to a large extent occurred specifically because the last of them at the time (Rome) imploded so totally and left behind such a vacuum. So it's probably not so far fetched when you really think about it. Feudalism is at it's its core a system driven by whatever handful of intense individual personalities are active at any given moment, and therefore it's likely to spring up in some form wherever ideologically or culturally driven institutions have failed nearly totally leaving behind a distressed populace that's just desperate for organization/direction. It is not at all implausible to think it could happen again, in fact one could even argue that the world might be heading in that general direction even now.
5th May '16 9:15:44 AM zarpaulus
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** The Empire of Man from the ''Literature/PrinceRoger'' series, by Creator/JohnRingo and Creator/DavidWeber, is ruled by an Emperor/Empress operating under a feudal model.
** Also Weber's ''Literature/TheExcaliburAlternative'' in passing, but there it's justified by the Emperor being an English noble born in the 14th century(yes, it's sci-fi - it's a rather odd story).
** For that matter, the ''Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes'' trilogy. The Emperor is absolute in military matters but a kind of limited monarch in civil. The ships of Battle Fleet are hard-wired to obey not the Emperor, however, but rather a massive supercomputer orbiting the capital, leaving him largely impotent if he is voted out of office until a new Emperor can be put into power. This was arranged by the first emperor (elected by the Senate to stop the civil wars) as a check against absolute power, and nothing short of complete reassembly of the supercomputer's core can change its mind.
** ''Yet another'' Weber example is found in ''Literature/InFuryBorn'' with the massive Terran Empire, the dominant human polity, governed by a hereditary Emperor (or Empress) and a Parliament of popularly elected Senators. There are also a few planetary monarchies strewn around in the various Rogue Worlds that serves as a buffer between the Empire and its Rishathian Sphere rivals.

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** * The Empire of Man from the ''Literature/PrinceRoger'' series, by Creator/JohnRingo and Creator/DavidWeber, is ruled by an Emperor/Empress operating under a feudal model.
** * Also Weber's ''Literature/TheExcaliburAlternative'' in passing, but there it's justified by the Emperor being an English noble born in the 14th century(yes, it's sci-fi - it's a rather odd story).
** * For that matter, the ''Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes'' trilogy. The Emperor is absolute in military matters but a kind of limited monarch in civil. The ships of Battle Fleet are hard-wired to obey not the Emperor, however, but rather a massive supercomputer orbiting the capital, leaving him largely impotent if he is voted out of office until a new Emperor can be put into power. This was arranged by the first emperor (elected by the Senate to stop the civil wars) as a check against absolute power, and nothing short of complete reassembly of the supercomputer's core can change its mind.
** * ''Yet another'' Weber example is found in ''Literature/InFuryBorn'' with the massive Terran Empire, the dominant human polity, governed by a hereditary Emperor (or Empress) and a Parliament of popularly elected Senators. There are also a few planetary monarchies strewn around in the various Rogue Worlds that serves as a buffer between the Empire and its Rishathian Sphere rivals.
5th May '16 1:23:30 AM PaulA
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* In ''Literature/ThePrincesOfTheAir'', Queen Rachel is the feudal overlord of multiple star systems. There's a movement to have the monarchy replaced by a republic, which it eventually turns out the queen herself is secretly one of the leaders of, having come to the conclusion that it's what's best for her people.
5th Apr '16 5:22:05 AM WiddershinsDaughter
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** Unlike Manticore with its different peer ranks, all Grayson Steadholders have the same official rank. They also have significantely more authority over their Steadings than even the highest Manticoran nobles. This is slowly changing thanks to the Mayhew Restoration, which reinforces the authority of the Protector (basically, the king). Historically, there has been a constant power struggle between the Sword (the Protector) and the Keys (the Steadholders). Additionally, according to the Grayson constitution, each Steadholder is allowed no more than 50 armsmen (personal guards), thus preventing them from building a large military force loyal to them alone.

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** Unlike Manticore with its different peer ranks, all Grayson Steadholders have the same official rank. They also have significantely more authority over their Steadings than even the highest Manticoran nobles. nobles, being effectively Kings complete with the right of High, Middle, and Low Justice. This is slowly changing thanks to the Mayhew Restoration, which reinforces the authority of the Protector (basically, the king).TheHighKing). Historically, there has been a constant power struggle between the Sword (the Protector) and the Keys (the Steadholders). Additionally, according to the Grayson constitution, each Steadholder is allowed no more than 50 armsmen (personal guards), thus preventing them from building a large military force loyal to them alone.
1st Apr '16 2:35:37 AM StFan
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26th Mar '16 4:56:17 PM Willbyr
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-->''“Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class -- whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.”''

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->''“Governments,
if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class -- whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.”''
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11th Mar '16 1:04:24 PM EryliaStarheart
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-->--[['''Creator/FrankHerbert''', ''[[Literature/{{Dune}} Children of Dune]]''.

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11th Mar '16 1:04:09 PM EryliaStarheart
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-->--FrankHerbert, ''[[Literature/{{Dune}} Children of Dune]]''.

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11th Mar '16 12:50:51 PM EryliaStarheart
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-->--FrankHerbert, [[Literature/Dune Children of Dune]].

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-->--FrankHerbert, [[Literature/Dune ''[[Literature/{{Dune}} Children of Dune]].
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