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26th Jul '16 6:11:43 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The Elites/Sangheili from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' have a society set up in this manner, with each of their planets divided into a number of independent states ruled by their most prominent keep, and led by a ''kaidon'' elected by a council of elders. However, Elites also believe in meritocracy, and serfs who prove themselves can become part of the main keep, while even Elites of noble birth are not allowed to know the identity of their parents, in order to minimize nepotism.

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* The Elites/Sangheili from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' have a society set up in this manner, with each of their planets divided into a number of independent states ruled by their most prominent keep, keep and led by a ''kaidon'' elected by a council of elders. However, Elites also believe in meritocracy, and serfs who prove themselves can become part of the main keep, while even Elites of noble birth are not allowed to know the identity of their parents, in order to minimize nepotism.
8th Jul '16 1:55:19 PM Willbyr
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* Pretty much all the major powers in ''TheFiveStarStories'', though Democracies like the Trun Union are not unheard of. The United Hathuha Republic is a bit of an odd case, as its leader is elected (though not by the general public), but many of its member states have monarchies.
** Though Trun's president spends more time [[spoiler: [[KingIncognito selling his lance around]]]] than he does actually ruling his country, and Amaterasu Kingdom Demesnes is in fact a federated constitutional monarchy with elected parliaments both on the local and federal levels, which just happens to have monarchies for most of its member nations, and a PhysicalGod for its emperor.

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* Pretty much all the major powers in ''TheFiveStarStories'', ''Manga/TheFiveStarStories'', though Democracies like the Trun Union are not unheard of. The United Hathuha Republic is a bit of an odd case, as its leader is elected (though not by the general public), but many of its member states have monarchies.
** Though Trun's president spends more time [[spoiler: [[KingIncognito [[spoiler:[[KingIncognito selling his lance around]]]] than he does actually ruling his country, and Amaterasu Kingdom Demesnes is in fact a federated constitutional monarchy with elected parliaments both on the local and federal levels, which just happens to have monarchies for most of its member nations, and a PhysicalGod for its emperor.



* Humankind Empire of Abh in the LightNovel/CrestOfTheStars is a galaxy spanning polity uniting half of the whole Humanity, but is still has a complicated feudal structure with a three-tiered citizenship[[note]]subjects' right and freedoms are mainly determined by laws of their own planets, and on the federal level only few explicitly stated provisions apply to them, citizens are subject to the full extent of the Imperial laws, and the nobility -- the titular Abh -- have a third, entirely different set of rules, which in many ways is ''more'' limiting that the citizens' rights[[/note]], but it is subverted in that this feudal structure is in fact just a rank ladder of civil/military service, and is open to any imperial citizen on the basis of individual merit and promotion.

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* The Humankind Empire of Abh in the LightNovel/CrestOfTheStars ''LightNovel/CrestOfTheStars'' is a galaxy spanning galaxy-spanning polity uniting half of the whole Humanity, but is still has a complicated feudal structure with a three-tiered citizenship[[note]]subjects' right and freedoms are mainly determined by laws of their own planets, and on the federal level only few explicitly stated provisions apply to them, citizens are subject to the full extent of the Imperial laws, and the nobility -- the titular Abh -- have a third, entirely different set of rules, which in many ways is ''more'' limiting that the citizens' rights[[/note]], but it is subverted in that this feudal structure is in fact just a rank ladder of civil/military service, and is open to any imperial citizen on the basis of individual merit and promotion.
6th Jul '16 1:27:58 PM FordPrefect
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** It's eventually expanded by, naturally, the star wars Expanded Universe. Naboo elects a new monarch every four years, the monarch is meant to represent the innocence of humanity and as such is often very young, which explains why Amidala was queen at age 14. Also the monarch is usually given a new post when their time to reign is over, monarchs are allowed only two terms, with Padme Amidala becoming the galactic senator for her planet after her reign as Queen.

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** It's eventually expanded by, naturally, the star wars Star Wars Expanded Universe. Naboo elects a new monarch every four years, the monarch is meant to represent the innocence of humanity and as such is often very young, which explains why Amidala was queen at age 14. Also the monarch is usually given a new post when their time to reign is over, monarchs are allowed only two terms, with Padme Amidala becoming the galactic senator for her planet after her reign as Queen.
16th Jun '16 3:58:34 PM nombretomado
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* [[TenchiMuyo Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki]], The Jurai Empire, the largest stellar empire in the show, is ruled over by four Imperial Houses, from which the Emperor is 'elected' - it's never explained how they're elected, but the candidate pool doesn't seem to be that big, and generally goes to the most powerful candidate. It presumably comes down to whoever [[PhysicalGod Tsunami]] wants, as it was their agreement with her that gives Juraian royalty their powers.

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\n* [[TenchiMuyo Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki]], The ''Anime/TenchiMuyoRyoOhki'', the Jurai Empire, the largest stellar empire in the show, is ruled over by four Imperial Houses, from which the Emperor is 'elected' - it's never explained how they're elected, but the candidate pool doesn't seem to be that big, and generally goes to the most powerful candidate. It presumably comes down to whoever [[PhysicalGod Tsunami]] wants, as it was their agreement with her that gives Juraian royalty their powers.






15th Jun '16 5:21:26 PM karstovich2
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* ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' is basically nobles feuding [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]. True to the trope, they do have some advanced technology, such as starships with FTL-capabilities, nuclear weapons (for defensive deterrence purposes only, by convention), FrickinLaserBeams,and DeflectorShields, but they tend towards knife fighting (because a relatively slow moving blade can pierce the Deflector Shields, where as Frickin Laser Beams hitting the shields blows up both attacker and defender) and don't have any computers. All perfectly justified in the backstory - to wit, the Butlerian Jihad (an immense crusade against 'thinking machines' that had enslaved humanity), among other things, placed House Corrino (Padishah Emperors for the next several thousand years) in power. The prequel novels also show that feudalism has been around even before the Corrino Imperium, with the League of Nobles, and the Old Imperium before that. No one ever brings up the idea of an elected government.

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* ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' is basically nobles feuding [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]. True to the trope, they do have some advanced technology, such as starships with FTL-capabilities, nuclear weapons (for defensive deterrence purposes only, by convention), FrickinLaserBeams,and DeflectorShields, but they tend towards knife fighting (because a relatively slow moving blade can pierce the Deflector Shields, where as Frickin Laser Beams hitting the shields blows up both attacker and defender) and don't have any computers. All perfectly justified in the backstory - to wit, the Butlerian Jihad (an immense crusade against 'thinking machines' that had enslaved humanity), among other things, placed House Corrino (Padishah Emperors for the next several thousand years) in power. The prequel novels also show that feudalism has been around even before the Corrino Imperium, with the League of Nobles, and the Old Imperium before that. No one ever brings up the idea of an elected government.government until the Bene Gesserit (who have always been a democratic organization internally, at least among fully initiated members) begin to acquire an overt empire tens of thousands of years later. ([[WordOfGod Frank Herbert stated]] his plan was for the Bene Gesserit to establish a proper democracy, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure he died before he could write those books]]; the Brian Herbert novels dealing with Bene Gesserit expansion [[FanonDiscontinuity may be safely regarded as garbage not true to the spirit of the elder Herbert's plan]].)
22nd May '16 7:52:11 AM HighCrate
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** Certainly there is feudalism, but besides it looking futuristic to us simple humans, George Lucas did write "A long time ago..."
*** In earlier drafts of the script, Alderaan was to be the center and capital of the galaxy (now Coruscant), and Leia was probably meant to be related to the emperor by blood in some way.
7th May '16 7:33:28 AM bravo104
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Likewise it should be noted that democratic republics predate the middle ages in Europe, which to a large extent occurred specifically because the last of them at the time (Rome) imploded so totally and left behind such a vacuum. So it's probably not so far fetched when you really think about it. Feudalism is at it's core a system driven by whatever handful of intense individual personalities are active at any given moment, and therefore it's likely to spring up in some form wherever ideologically or culturally driven institutions have failed nearly totally leaving behind a distressed populace that's just desperate for organization/direction. It is not at all implausible to think it could happen again, in fact one could even argue that the world might be heading in that general direction even now.

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Likewise it should be noted that democratic republics predate the middle ages in Europe, which to a large extent occurred specifically because the last of them at the time (Rome) imploded so totally and left behind such a vacuum. So it's probably not so far fetched when you really think about it. Feudalism is at it's its core a system driven by whatever handful of intense individual personalities are active at any given moment, and therefore it's likely to spring up in some form wherever ideologically or culturally driven institutions have failed nearly totally leaving behind a distressed populace that's just desperate for organization/direction. It is not at all implausible to think it could happen again, in fact one could even argue that the world might be heading in that general direction even now.
5th May '16 9:15:44 AM zarpaulus
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** The Empire of Man from the ''Literature/PrinceRoger'' series, by Creator/JohnRingo and Creator/DavidWeber, is ruled by an Emperor/Empress operating under a feudal model.
** Also Weber's ''Literature/TheExcaliburAlternative'' in passing, but there it's justified by the Emperor being an English noble born in the 14th century(yes, it's sci-fi - it's a rather odd story).
** For that matter, the ''Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes'' trilogy. The Emperor is absolute in military matters but a kind of limited monarch in civil. The ships of Battle Fleet are hard-wired to obey not the Emperor, however, but rather a massive supercomputer orbiting the capital, leaving him largely impotent if he is voted out of office until a new Emperor can be put into power. This was arranged by the first emperor (elected by the Senate to stop the civil wars) as a check against absolute power, and nothing short of complete reassembly of the supercomputer's core can change its mind.
** ''Yet another'' Weber example is found in ''Literature/InFuryBorn'' with the massive Terran Empire, the dominant human polity, governed by a hereditary Emperor (or Empress) and a Parliament of popularly elected Senators. There are also a few planetary monarchies strewn around in the various Rogue Worlds that serves as a buffer between the Empire and its Rishathian Sphere rivals.

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** * The Empire of Man from the ''Literature/PrinceRoger'' series, by Creator/JohnRingo and Creator/DavidWeber, is ruled by an Emperor/Empress operating under a feudal model.
** * Also Weber's ''Literature/TheExcaliburAlternative'' in passing, but there it's justified by the Emperor being an English noble born in the 14th century(yes, it's sci-fi - it's a rather odd story).
** * For that matter, the ''Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes'' trilogy. The Emperor is absolute in military matters but a kind of limited monarch in civil. The ships of Battle Fleet are hard-wired to obey not the Emperor, however, but rather a massive supercomputer orbiting the capital, leaving him largely impotent if he is voted out of office until a new Emperor can be put into power. This was arranged by the first emperor (elected by the Senate to stop the civil wars) as a check against absolute power, and nothing short of complete reassembly of the supercomputer's core can change its mind.
** * ''Yet another'' Weber example is found in ''Literature/InFuryBorn'' with the massive Terran Empire, the dominant human polity, governed by a hereditary Emperor (or Empress) and a Parliament of popularly elected Senators. There are also a few planetary monarchies strewn around in the various Rogue Worlds that serves as a buffer between the Empire and its Rishathian Sphere rivals.
5th May '16 1:23:30 AM PaulA
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* In ''Literature/ThePrincesOfTheAir'', Queen Rachel is the feudal overlord of multiple star systems. There's a movement to have the monarchy replaced by a republic, which it eventually turns out the queen herself is secretly one of the leaders of, having come to the conclusion that it's what's best for her people.
5th Apr '16 5:22:05 AM WiddershinsDaughter
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** Unlike Manticore with its different peer ranks, all Grayson Steadholders have the same official rank. They also have significantely more authority over their Steadings than even the highest Manticoran nobles. This is slowly changing thanks to the Mayhew Restoration, which reinforces the authority of the Protector (basically, the king). Historically, there has been a constant power struggle between the Sword (the Protector) and the Keys (the Steadholders). Additionally, according to the Grayson constitution, each Steadholder is allowed no more than 50 armsmen (personal guards), thus preventing them from building a large military force loyal to them alone.

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** Unlike Manticore with its different peer ranks, all Grayson Steadholders have the same official rank. They also have significantely more authority over their Steadings than even the highest Manticoran nobles. nobles, being effectively Kings complete with the right of High, Middle, and Low Justice. This is slowly changing thanks to the Mayhew Restoration, which reinforces the authority of the Protector (basically, the king).TheHighKing). Historically, there has been a constant power struggle between the Sword (the Protector) and the Keys (the Steadholders). Additionally, according to the Grayson constitution, each Steadholder is allowed no more than 50 armsmen (personal guards), thus preventing them from building a large military force loyal to them alone.
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