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23rd Sep '16 2:49:00 PM IamTheCaligula
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* While any version of Hell is bad in UsefulNotes/Buddhism, they are supposed to be places of purification as well as punishment, and damned souls can at least hope to be reborn again someday. However, Buddhism has a special one called Avichi, which is for souls that are so evil, they're kicked out of the reincarnation cycle completely. That only happens to those who commit one of [[ThisIsUnforgivable the Five Grave Offenses]] which is limited to killing an Arhat (an enlightened being), shedding the blood of the Buddha, creating a schism within the Sangha, a community of pacifist Buddhist monks and nuns, or murdering one of your parents. Most Buddhist monks consider it taboo to publically condemn a man to Avichi, as it would be making a judgment mortals have no right to make; even the will of gods cannot condemn a man to this Hell. Buddhist dogma specifically states that a sinner forges his own path here.

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* While any version of Hell is bad in UsefulNotes/Buddhism, UsefulNotes/{{Buddhism}}, they are supposed to be places of purification as well as punishment, and damned souls can at least hope to be reborn again someday. However, Buddhism has a special one called Avichi, which is for souls that are so evil, they're kicked out of the reincarnation cycle completely. That only happens to those who commit one of [[ThisIsUnforgivable the Five Grave Offenses]] which is limited to killing an Arhat (an enlightened being), shedding the blood of the Buddha, creating a schism within the Sangha, a community of pacifist Buddhist monks and nuns, or murdering one of your parents. Most Buddhist monks consider it taboo to publically condemn a man to Avichi, as it would be making a judgment mortals have no right to make; even the will of gods cannot condemn a man to this Hell. Buddhist dogma specifically states that a sinner forges his own path here.
3rd Sep '16 5:08:38 PM MapTroper
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->'''Batman:''' Why didn't you just... kill me?\\
'''Bane:''' You don't fear death. You welcome it. Your punishment must be more ''severe''.
-->-- ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises''

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->'''Batman:''' Why didn't you just... kill me?\\
'''Bane:'''
->'''Voldemort:''' There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore.\\
'''Dumbledore:'''
You don't fear death. You welcome it. Your punishment must be more ''severe''.
are quite wrong. Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness.
-->-- ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises''''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''
30th Aug '16 12:36:38 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''MutantChronicles'', the [[DemonicInvaders Dark Legion]] has a metric crapload of different kinds of Fate Worse Than Death. Having your motor functions shut down while you can still see and hear everything, being driven to madness, tortured, [[PeoplePuppets possessed]], turned into a zombie grunt...

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* In ''MutantChronicles'', ''TabletopGame/MutantChronicles'', the [[DemonicInvaders Dark Legion]] has a metric crapload of different kinds of Fate Worse Than Death. Having your motor functions shut down while you can still see and hear everything, being driven to madness, tortured, [[PeoplePuppets possessed]], turned into a zombie grunt...
20th Aug '16 7:48:48 PM CountDorku
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* The Aftermath table in ''TabletopGame/{{Fiasco}}'' has "The worst thing in the world" (with a statement that death would generally be merciful)as the entry if your dice totally cancel each other out, and encourages you to skip the first hideous fate you think of and go for something ''nastier''.
20th Jul '16 10:04:12 AM StFan
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-->'''Naomi''' (to Light): ...when I kick you out that's where you're going! Roommates with [[{{Yandere}} Misa]] and [[MonsterRoommate Ryuk]]!
-->'''Duck:''' Why haven't we done this before?
-->'''Naomi:''' Shut up I'm not done with you either, if you don't procure his body [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment you'll be forced into elementary school years before your time]] and I'll make you [[spoiler: bring [[LawOfInversePaternity Light Yagami to parent-day]] [[AntagonisticOffspring so you can profess what a wonderful relationship you have.]]]]

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-->'''Naomi''' (to Light): ...-->'''Naomi:''' ''[to Light]'' ...when I kick you out that's where you're going! Roommates with [[{{Yandere}} Misa]] and [[MonsterRoommate Ryuk]]!
-->'''Duck:'''
Ryuk]]!\\
'''Duck:'''
Why haven't we done this before?
-->'''Naomi:'''
before?\\
'''Naomi:'''
Shut up I'm not done with you either, if you don't procure his body [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment you'll be forced into elementary school years before your time]] and I'll make you [[spoiler: bring [[LawOfInversePaternity Light Yagami to parent-day]] [[AntagonisticOffspring so you can profess what a wonderful relationship you have.]]]]



-->'''Sokka''': Aang should have done to you what he did to your father.\\
'''Azula''': Now, ''that's'' cruel.\\
'''Sokka''': Hardly. It's fair, isn't it?\\
'''Azula''': No. It's the farthest thing from fair you can possibly imagine.\\
'''Sokka''': You think that it was crueler than killing him?\\
'''Azula''': Yes. It's hard for non-benders to imagine. Think of it like this - what if I cut off your arms but left you otherwise alive and well? You would never be able to fight again, you would never be able to - actually, imagine I cut off your arms ''and'' your legs. You would never fight, never walk, never be independent or free or strong ever again. You would go from being who you are today to a - a ''burden'', something others have to take care of, unable to take care of yourself or do anything for yourself ever again. Now, is that crueler or kinder than killing you outright?\\
'''Sokka''': I...see.

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-->'''Sokka''': -->'''Sokka:''' Aang should have done to you what he did to your father.\\
'''Azula''': '''Azula:''' Now, ''that's'' cruel.\\
'''Sokka''': '''Sokka:''' Hardly. It's fair, isn't it?\\
'''Azula''': '''Azula:''' No. It's the farthest thing from fair you can possibly imagine.\\
'''Sokka''': '''Sokka:''' You think that it was crueler than killing him?\\
'''Azula''': '''Azula:''' Yes. It's hard for non-benders to imagine. Think of it like this - -- what if I cut off your arms but left you otherwise alive and well? You would never be able to fight again, you would never be able to - -- actually, imagine I cut off your arms ''and'' your legs. You would never fight, never walk, never be independent or free or strong ever again. You would go from being who you are today to a - a ''burden'', something others have to take care of, unable to take care of yourself or do anything for yourself ever again. Now, is that crueler or kinder than killing you outright?\\
'''Sokka''': '''Sokka:''' I...see.



--> '''Azula''': Hands and feet are to be amputated in order to prevent any controlled bending. A single ten-by-ten cube constructed entirely out of metal to prevent earthbending. Dry air to be pumped into the room constantly and a single cup of water as rations to prevent waterbending. An airlock system that can disable the pump at a moment's notice to prevent firebending or airbending. Also we'll drop his daily rations through a hole in the ceiling to prevent him from coming into contact with anyone and possibly arousing their sympathy. There was also talk of [[EyeScream putting out his eyes,]] which admittedly wouldn't be really useful in terms of nullifying his bending, [[ForTheEvulz but hey, why not?]]
--> '''Zuko''': All that for one kid?
--> '''Azula''': All that for the ''Avatar.''

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--> '''Azula''': -->'''Azula:''' Hands and feet are to be amputated in order to prevent any controlled bending. A single ten-by-ten cube constructed entirely out of metal to prevent earthbending. Dry air to be pumped into the room constantly and a single cup of water as rations to prevent waterbending. An airlock system that can disable the pump at a moment's notice to prevent firebending or airbending. Also we'll drop his daily rations through a hole in the ceiling to prevent him from coming into contact with anyone and possibly arousing their sympathy. There was also talk of [[EyeScream putting out his eyes,]] which admittedly wouldn't be really useful in terms of nullifying his bending, [[ForTheEvulz but hey, why not?]]
--> '''Zuko''':
not?]]\\
'''Zuko:'''
All that for one kid?
--> '''Azula''':
kid?\\
'''Azula:'''
All that for the ''Avatar.''



* In the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfic ''[[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/303893/step-right-in-and-start-again Step Right In And Start Again]]'' this is the fate met by Starlight Glimmer. She is stuck in an [[GroundhogDayLoop eternal timeloop]] where every day she starts up back at the same place, [[spoiler:being trialed for her crimes in the season 5 finale]]. To make it all worse, she [[AmnesiaLoop keeps no memories]] of what happened the previous day. She's horribly scared and anxious already but being transported [[spoiler:centuries into the future]] or even [[spoiler:so far in the future that everything is darkness and nothing else exists]] only makes it infinite times more worse.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfic ''[[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/303893/step-right-in-and-start-again Step Right In And in and Start Again]]'' this is the fate met by Starlight Glimmer. She is stuck in an [[GroundhogDayLoop eternal timeloop]] where every day she starts up back at the same place, [[spoiler:being trialed for her crimes in the season 5 finale]]. To make it all worse, she [[AmnesiaLoop keeps no memories]] of what happened the previous day. She's horribly scared and anxious already but being transported [[spoiler:centuries into the future]] or even [[spoiler:so far in the future that everything is darkness and nothing else exists]] only makes it infinite times more worse.



-->The senior members of SEELE and his father were imbedded in the walls, ceiling, and floor of this place, screaming in agony, their souls trying to claw their way out of membranes of unreality that would trap them for all eternity.

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-->The -->''The senior members of SEELE and his father were imbedded in the walls, ceiling, and floor of this place, screaming in agony, their souls trying to claw their way out of membranes of unreality that would trap them for all eternity.''



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* In ''[[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Hitobashira Alice (Alice Human Sacrifice)]]'', the Third Alice is condemned to live forever seeing herself as a decaying body, as a punishment for fooling and using people to become a queen. Whether it was an illusion or if she was constantly decaying until she rotted completely is debatable; either way, both punishments are valid for this trope.
* [[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Len's]] fate in the song Re_Birthday (which is very possibly a continuation of the [[Music/{{Mothy}} Evil Series]]). He is doomed to spend eternity in an empty room with his hands bound in red handcuffs (representing blood shed) and his ankles bound in blue shackles (representing tears spilled), all while reliving the sins he committed in his life. It's made a little more jarring in that [[GodSaveUsfromtheQueen Rin]], who ordered him to commit all of those atrocities to begin with, [[KarmaHoudini gets off essentially scot-free]]. [[spoiler:In the end, it's her [[MagicMusic lullaby]] that ends up saving him, and [[EarnyourHappyEnding they both get to be reincarnated as twins, just as they had wished for]].]]

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In ''[[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Hitobashira "Hitobashira Alice (Alice Human Sacrifice)]]'', Sacrifice)", the Third Alice is condemned to live forever seeing herself as a decaying body, as a punishment for fooling and using people to become a queen. Whether it was an illusion or if she was constantly decaying until she rotted completely is debatable; either way, both punishments are valid for this trope.
* [[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Len's]] ** Len's fate in the song Re_Birthday "Re_Birthday" (which is very possibly a continuation of the [[Music/{{Mothy}} Evil Series]]). He is doomed to spend eternity in an empty room with his hands bound in red handcuffs (representing blood shed) and his ankles bound in blue shackles (representing tears spilled), all while reliving the sins he committed in his life. It's made a little more jarring in that [[GodSaveUsfromtheQueen Rin]], who ordered him to commit all of those atrocities to begin with, [[KarmaHoudini gets off essentially scot-free]]. [[spoiler:In the end, it's her [[MagicMusic lullaby]] that ends up saving him, and [[EarnyourHappyEnding they both get to be reincarnated as twins, just as they had wished for]].]]



* The eponymous pirate in {{Alestorm}}'s ''Captain Morgan's Revenge'' curses his mutinous crew to this: "As sure as hell's my final fate, you'll all soon die or worse!".

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* The eponymous pirate in {{Alestorm}}'s Music/{{Alestorm}}'s ''Captain Morgan's Revenge'' curses his mutinous crew to this: "As sure as hell's my final fate, you'll all soon die or worse!".



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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'':

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** Avasculate, a spell that does not kill you- it reduces you to half your current hit points rounded down (0 is not death)... by causing you to purge any and all sorts of bodily fluid through your skin.
** Avascular Mass takes this one step further- you purge your blood vessels themselves through your skin, complete with blood in.... and then creates a 'web' effect out of those very veins, trapping you and anyone in 20 feet in a mass of ANIMATE blood vessels that are trying to grab you all. Talk about a horrifying experience...

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** Avasculate, a spell that does not kill you- you -- it reduces you to half your current hit points rounded down (0 is not death)... by causing you to purge any and all sorts of bodily fluid through your skin.
** Avascular Mass takes this one step further- further -- you purge your blood vessels themselves through your skin, complete with blood in.... and then creates a 'web' effect out of those very veins, trapping you and anyone in 20 feet in a mass of ANIMATE blood vessels that are trying to grab you all. Talk about a horrifying experience...



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* ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'': Oran's speech to the defeated scumbag Mars in Chapter 19, Act 3: "I have seen you scum -- staked to the ground at night -- belly and manhood split wide, wailing as jagged beaks tear and peck -- as a million insect jaws carve the pulp. And when morning comes, I am standing over your seeping husk. You cannot turn from the horror. You cannot stop the rising sun that burns you into blindness. You cannot close your eyes... '''''for I am feasting on their lids.'''''
* At the end of his ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'', Starscream's [[OurSoulsAreDifferent spark]] is last seen interred within Rainbow Dash's belly. In an Q&A, it is stated he is still alive, but the only machinery in Equestria is a sewing machine. Boomstick even lampshades this trope afterwards.
* Lampshaded with Colin Hunt in Season 7 of ''Machinima/ArbyNTheChief''. Being part of an evil clan alongside Sadist [[BigBad Eugene]] and Psychopath [[TheBrute Tyler]], Colin is revealed to be a Pedophile. Also by the season's end, [[spoiler:Eugene commits suicide and Tyler is shot and killed by a cop]]. Colin is still alive, but thanks to Arbiter and Master Chief's intervention is now rotting in prison for a LONG TIME.
-->'''Arbiter:''' Not sure how long Colin will be imprisoned for, but due to the fact that he's a white, introverted software nerd and a kid fucker, he'll likely be targeted by his inmates for rape and sold as a cell bitch for a pack of smokes.
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* ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'': Oran's speech to the defeated scumbag Mars in Chapter 19, Act 3: "I have seen you scum -- staked to the ground at night -- belly and manhood split wide, wailing as jagged beaks tear and peck -- as a million insect jaws carve the pulp. And when morning comes, I am standing over your seeping husk. You cannot turn from the horror. You cannot stop the rising sun that burns you into blindness. You cannot close your eyes... '''''for I am feasting on their lids.'''''



* At the end of his ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'', Starscream's [[OurSoulsAreDifferent spark]] was last seen interred within Rainbow Dash's belly. In an Q&A, it was stated he was still alive, but the only machinery in Equestria is a sewing machine. Boomstick even lampshades this trope afterwards.



* Lampshaded with Colin Hunt in Season 7 of Machinima/ArbyNTheChief. Being part of an evil clan alongside Sadist [[BigBad Eugene]] and Psychopath [[TheBrute Tyler]], Colin is revealed to be a Pedophile. Also by the season's end, [[spoiler: Eugene commits suicide and Tyler is shot and killed by a cop]]. Colin is still alive, but thanks to Arbiter and Master Chief's intervention is now rotting in prison for a LONG TIME.
-->'''Arbiter''': Not sure how long Colin will be imprisoned for, but due to the fact that he's a white, introverted software nerd and a kid fucker, he'll likely be targeted by his inmates for rape and sold as a cell bitch for a pack of smokes.
13th Jul '16 7:29:46 PM M84
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** Xykon himself doesn't think there's anything worse than death for an evil bastard like him, mainly because he knows he'll end up in hell. Any fate, even being a BrainInAJar, is acceptable as long as it keeps him out of the infernal plane.
6th Jul '16 10:19:22 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Planscape}}''; piss off the Lady of Pain too much and she ''might'' apply this trope by trapping you in the Mazes, an eternal prison she can create. (Or she might [[CruelAndUnusualDeath flay you alive]], which may or may not be worse.)
4th Jul '16 4:18:17 AM N8han11
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** For toys it is a terrible fate to be forgotten by children, left alone and abandoned without no one to love them. Even getting shelved, like what happened to Woody and Wheezer in ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'', is almost as bad.

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** For toys it is a terrible fate to be forgotten by children, left alone and abandoned without no one to love them. Even getting shelved, like what happened to Woody and Wheezer Wheezy in ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'', is almost as bad.
10th Jun '16 2:47:21 PM Dravencour
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Think death is the cruelest fate? Think again. There are several things much worse: [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]], [[TheThreeCertaintiesInLife taxes]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and tofu]], to name but a few. And more often than not, some unlucky soul will experience it. Originally, this phrase meant [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes rape]], [[MindRape but now there's]] [[AndIMustScream even worse than that]].

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Think death is the cruelest fate? Think again. There are several things much worse: [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]], [[TheThreeCertaintiesInLife taxes]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and tofu]], to name but a few. And more often than not, some unlucky unfortunate soul will experience it. Originally, this phrase meant [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes rape]], [[MindRape but now there's]] [[AndIMustScream even worse than that]].
9th Jun '16 11:05:53 AM Someoneman
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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation uses this quite a lot. For example: [[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-145 SCP-145]].

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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation uses this quite a lot. For example: lot for horror.
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[[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-145 SCP-145]].SCP-145]] is a telephone that is always ringing. Answer it while under supervision, and a woman's voice will describe people getting horribly tortured. Answer it while ''not'' being supervised, and you get taken to wherever the call is coming from, and become one of the torture victims.
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