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26th Jun '16 12:23:52 PM Njein
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** Raiden tends to deal in half-measures, failing to interpret the messages his future self sent to him at the beginning of ''Mortal Kombat 9''. [[spoiler: This eventually becomes a major problem, where he misses several opportunities to swing the events into Earthrealm's favor, culminating in the deaths of many Earthrealm defenders (especially Liu Kang, who died at his own hands, but not before Liu Kang [[WhatTheHellHero calls him out]]). An then it goes FromBadToWorse from that point on, where he has to contend with an invasion from the Netherrealm in ''Mortal Kombat X'', leading to a chain of events that lead to his FaceHeelTurn at the end of ''X''.]]

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** Raiden tends to deal in half-measures, failing to interpret the messages his future self sent to him at the beginning of ''Mortal Kombat 9''. [[spoiler: This eventually becomes a major problem, where he misses several opportunities to swing tilt the events into Earthrealm's favor, culminating in the deaths of many Earthrealm of his defenders (especially Liu Kang, who died at his own hands, but not before Liu Kang [[WhatTheHellHero calls him out]]). An then it goes FromBadToWorse from that point on, where he has to contend with an invasion from the Netherrealm in ''Mortal Kombat X'', leading to creating a chain of events that lead to his FaceHeelTurn at the end of ''X''.]]
25th Jun '16 4:27:55 PM triscion
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** Aang's flaw is his [[HonorBeforeReason conviction]]. He was raised as a dedicated pacifist, and though [[MartialPacifist he will fight if necessary,]] he won't kill. When his opponent is the BigBad who descended from the man who slaughtered Aang's people with the intent of continuing such a legacy and oppresses the populace of two nations, this turns out to be a bad thing.

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** Aang's flaw is his [[HonorBeforeReason conviction]]. He was raised as a dedicated pacifist, and though [[MartialPacifist he will fight if necessary,]] he won't kill. When his opponent is the BigBad who descended from the man who slaughtered Aang's people with the intent of continuing such a legacy and oppresses the populace of two nations, this turns out to be a bad thing. [[spoiler: [[TakeAThirdOption He finds a solution in the end]]: De-power the BigBad.]]
24th Jun '16 11:36:20 AM Njein
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** Raiden tends to deal in half-measures, failing to interpret the messages his future self sent to him at the beginning of ''Mortal Kombat 9''. [[spoiler: This eventually becomes a major problem, where he misses several opportunities to swing the events into Earthrealm's favor, culminating in the deaths of many Earthrealm defenders (especially Liu Kang, who died at his own hands, but not before Liu Kang [[WhatTheHellHero calls him out]]). An then it goes FromBadToWorse from that point on, where he has to contend with an invasion from the Netherrealm in ''Mortal Kombat X'', leading to a chain of events that lead to his FaceHeelTurn at the end of ''X''.]]
24th Jun '16 8:04:43 AM Zephyr7
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* In ''Series/TheFlash2014'':
** Barry suffers from ChronicHeroSyndrome. He strongly desires to save people, including villains, even if he knows things can and will backfire on him. He is also a little too easy to emotionally provoke (especially when his loved ones are involved) and he can ignore potential consequences of his actions.
** Joe is an OverprotectiveDad. He has well meaning intentions to keep Iris and Barry safe but he often treats them like they were like young children instead of adults and his stubbornness has led to communication issues with both children.
** [[spoiler: Earth-2 Harrison Wells]] will do ''anything'' if his daughter is in danger, including treachery and murder, something Zoom deliberately exploits.
12th Jun '16 2:20:28 PM Ramidel
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* Despair

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* Despair[[DespairEventHorizon Despair]]
12th Jun '16 2:20:01 PM Ramidel
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* Despair
31st May '16 8:20:53 PM Noah1
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-->-- '''Tyler Johnson''', ''Shampoo Planet''

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-->-- '''Tyler Johnson''', ''Shampoo Planet''
'''TylerJohnson''', ''ShampooPlanet''



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* [[{{Pride}} Hubris]]



* [[DidntThinkThisThrough Impulsiveness]]



* Obsessiveness



* {{Pride}}






If the FatalFlaw doesn't play any role in the story, it's an InformedFlaw. If the flaw isn't quite so fatal, you're likely dealing with MrViceGuy.

A literal fatal flaw, as often seen in science fiction and fantasy, would be PhlebotinumBreakdown and/or AchillesHeel.

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If the FatalFlaw doesn't play any role in the story, it's an InformedFlaw. If the flaw isn't quite so fatal, you're likely dealing with MrViceGuy.

MrViceGuy. If someone else ensures that the flaw is fatal, it's FlawExploitation. A literal fatal flaw, as often seen in science fiction {{science fiction}} and fantasy, {{fantasy}}, would be PhlebotinumBreakdown and/or AchillesHeel.



* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' Queen Elsa's tragic flaw is fear of her own powers. This flaw is justified because she almost killed her sister Anna when they were playing.

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* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'':
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Queen Elsa's tragic flaw is fear of her own powers. This flaw is justified because she almost killed her sister Anna when they were playing.playing.
** Anna's major flaw is her impulsive naivete. It's best shown in how she rushes up the mountain Elsa's ran off to with no protection from the cold, no plan to bring her back beyond talking her down somehow, and no idea she'd accomplish that. [[spoiler: To say nothing of her falling head-over-heels with Prince Hans, who turned out to be TheSociopath looking to gain the throne by any means necessary.]]



* ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'''s Marty [=McFly=] and his compulsion to prove that he's not "chicken". This is eventually stamped out through CharacterDevelopment.

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* ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'''s Marty [=McFly=] and [[NobodyCallsMeChicken his compulsion to prove that he's not "chicken"."chicken"]]. This is eventually stamped out through CharacterDevelopment.



** Palptine's flaw is his incredible hubris and overconfidence the flaw of most Sith Lords in general. This is what doomed many other villains in early stories he was a part of, including his own mentor, and [[Literature/DarkEmpire eventually doomed him]] [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi as well.]]

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** Palptine's Palpatine's flaw is his incredible hubris and overconfidence the flaw of most Sith Lords in general. This is what doomed many other villains in early stories he was a part of, including his own mentor, and [[Literature/DarkEmpire eventually doomed him]] [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi as well.]]



* Shakespeare ''loves'' to give these to characters in his tragedies:

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* Shakespeare Creator/WilliamShakespeare ''loves'' to give these to characters in his tragedies:



* The ''Franchise/Transformers'', with its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters and multiple {{AlternateUniverse}}s has numerous characters with well-known flaws that are constant throughout the franchise:

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* The ''Franchise/Transformers'', with its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters and multiple {{AlternateUniverse}}s {{Alternate Universe}}s has numerous characters with well-known flaws that are constant throughout the franchise:



** Rodimus Prime is often viewed both in-universe and among fans as a Sucksessor to [[BigGood Optimus Prime]]. He himself often suffers from self-doubt and is prone to second guessing himself. In some universes, he grows out of it and becomes a capable leader in his own right. In others, he's glad to let someone else take over as leader, especially if Optimus is somehow brought back to life.

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** Rodimus Prime is often viewed both in-universe and among fans as a Sucksessor SuckSessor to [[BigGood Optimus Prime]]. He himself often suffers from self-doubt and is prone to second guessing himself. In some universes, he grows out of it and becomes a capable leader in his own right. In others, he's glad to let someone else take over as leader, especially if Optimus is somehow brought back to life.



* ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'': Danny has two: His [[StartofDarkness darkness]], which manifests into him constantly abusing his powers which if he isn't careful, would result in a BadFuture. The other is his emotions which he has a hard time containing--the latter is often used to his advantage by some of his baddies. Unlike the first example, this is one he has yet to resolve.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Lisa's biggest flaw is her dependency on her status as the smart one. Whenever confronted with the possibility that [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter someone might be smarter or more skilled than her]], she loses it and often tries to sabotage them. When given the choice of being a NormalFishInATinyPond in second grade or moving up to a better, more challenging education, [[StatusQuoIsGod she stays in her small pond]] because she [[TheBGrade cannot tolerate less than stellar grades]].
* ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob SquarePants}}'': Squidward is brought down by his hubris. [[ShrineToSelf His paintings and sculptures are pretentious and self-indulgent]], and [[DreadfulMusician his clarinet playing is atrocious,]] yet he's so convinced he's an artistic virtuoso that he puts no effort in improving himself. Whenever someone (usually SpongeBob) proves to be much more talented than him, he refuses to accept it and berates him for not respecting TrueArt. A {{Flashback}} reveals that he thought working at the Krusty Krab would be a mere interim until his artist career took off, and smugly laughed at the possibility that it wouldn't. No prizes for guessing where that got him...
* ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim'': Zim is so blindly arrogant that not only does he refuse to second-guess himself, he won't accept others doing the same. He single-handed ruined the first Irken invasion when he launched a massive assault... [[EpicFail and didn't realize he was assaulting his own planet. And shot down any underlings who tried to point that out.]] To this day, he still does not recognize what he did wrong there.
* ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'': Danny has two: His [[StartofDarkness darkness]], which manifests into him constantly abusing his powers which if he isn't careful, would result in a BadFuture. The other is his emotions which he has a hard time containing--the containing -- the latter is often used to his advantage by some of his baddies. Unlike the first example, this is one he has yet to resolve.



** The villains: Fittingly for a SatanicArchetype, [[BiggerBad Vaatu]]'s flaw is his {{Pride}} - more specifically, his belief that mere humans could never pose a threat to a supremely powerful spirit such as himself. [[FallenHero Kuvira]]'s flaw is her utter devotion to her goal of a safe and unified Earth Empire. While this makes her a {{Determinator}}, it also gives her tunnel vision and sends her further and further into outright villain territory.

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** The villains: Fittingly for a SatanicArchetype, [[BiggerBad Vaatu]]'s flaw is his {{Pride}} - -- more specifically, his belief that mere humans could never pose a threat to a supremely powerful spirit such as himself. [[FallenHero Kuvira]]'s flaw is her utter devotion to her goal of a safe and unified Earth Empire. While this makes her a {{Determinator}}, it also gives her tunnel vision and sends her further and further into outright villain territory.territory.
** Raava, Vaatu's GoodCounterpart, suffered from a similar flaw as he did. When battling Vaatu, she dismissively told Wan not the meddle in their affairs, whereas Vaatu was smart enough to manipulate Wan into helping him.



** Discord loves exploiting these to [[BreakTheCutie break ponies]] ForTheEvulz, and [[ManipulativeBastard is very good at it]], but has one himself, namely his own pride and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood inability to truly understand how strong the bond of friendship really is]]. Both of these blind him to the fact the mane cast has reforged their friendship and the Elements of Harmony, the one thing on earth that can possibly defeat him, work again until he gets a [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] [[CircleOfFriendship powered]] WaveMotionGun to the face.



** Discord loves exploiting these to [[BreakTheCutie break ponies]] ForTheEvulz, and [[ManipulativeBastard is very good at it]], but has one himself, namely his own pride and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood inability to truly understand how strong the bond of friendship really is]]. Both of these blind him to the fact the mane cast has reforged their friendship and the Elements of Harmony, the one thing on earth that can possibly defeat him, work again until he gets a [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] [[CircleOfFriendship powered]] WaveMotionGun to the face.



** Stan's so uptight that when he enjoys something, he can't stop.

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** Stan's so uptight and bullheaded that when he'll [[KnightTemplar cross any line and go to any extreme to enforce his narrow-minded and oftentimes ridiculous sense of justice]]. When something breaks through his uptight nature and he actually enjoys something, he can't stop.



** Noah's flaw is apathy. He won't work with his team to win, and generally doesn't care about anyone's feelings- which, combined with his sharp tongue, led to him being voted off.

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** Noah's flaw is apathy. He won't work with his team to win, and generally doesn't care about anyone's feelings- feelings -- which, combined with his sharp tongue, led to him being voted off.
29th May '16 6:00:30 PM creader
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass''

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass''''Anime/CodeGeass'':
23rd May '16 7:30:39 PM Zephyr7
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* In the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'', Steve Rogers/Captain America's greatest trait and one of his major flaws is that he is a ''Determinator''. He will refuse to stand down and compromise over things that he believes are worth fighting for. This leads to him going to extreme lengths for his friend Bucky, as well as refusing to sign the Accords due to his belief that the heroes are the best ones to make the judgement call, not the government, and this only leads to escalating the conflict in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''.
** Tony Stark's pride, impulsiveness and ItsAllAboutMe tendencies are his primary flaws. His "run before you can walk" philosophy resulted in him and Pepper almost getting killed by the Mandarin because he told the Mandarin on live television "here is my address, come fight me". His desire to protect the world and save his friends without any real plan or even discussing things with his friends lead to the creation of [[GoneHorriblyWrong Ultron]]. He has a very hard time giving up being Iron Man and because of this, in ''Civil War'', [[spoiler: Pepper breaks up with him because being Iron Man is more important than she is.]]

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* In the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'', Steve Rogers/Captain America's greatest trait and one of his major flaws is that he is a ''Determinator''.{{Determinator}}. He will refuse to stand down and compromise over things that he believes are worth fighting for. This leads to him going to extreme lengths for to protect his friend Bucky, Bucky from people who want him to pay for his crimes as the Winter Soldier, as well as refusing to sign the Accords due to his belief that the heroes are the best ones to make the judgement call, not the government, and government. All of this only leads to escalating the conflict in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''.
** Tony Stark's pride, impulsiveness and ItsAllAboutMe tendencies are his primary flaws. His "run before you can walk" philosophy resulted in him and Pepper almost getting killed by the Mandarin because he basically told the Mandarin on live television television, "here is my address, come fight me". His desire to protect the world and save his friends without any real plan or even discussing things with his said friends lead to the creation of [[GoneHorriblyWrong Ultron]]. He has a very hard time giving up being Iron Man and because of this, in ''Civil War'', [[spoiler: Pepper breaks up with him because being Iron Man is more important than she is.]]
23rd May '16 7:27:16 PM Zephyr7
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* In the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'', Steve Rogers/Captain America is MarriedToTheJob where he can only define himself through conflict and would be lost without it, having difficulty with returning to regular citizen life. He also goes to extreme lengths for his friend Bucky and this only leads to escalating the conflict in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' because Steve refuses to give up on his friend. His actor ChrisEvans has even said Steve is somewhat biased and selfish when it comes to matters involving Bucky.
* Tony Stark's pride, impulsiveness and ItsAllAboutMe tendencies are his primary flaws. His "run before you can walk" philosophy resulted in him and Pepper almost getting killed by the Mandarin because he told the Mandarin on live television "here is my address, come fight me". His desire to protect the world and save his friends without any real plan or even discussing things with his friends lead to the creation of [[GoneHorriblyWrong Ultron]]. He has a very hard time giving up being Iron Man and because of this, in ''Civil War'', [[spoiler: Pepper breaks up with him because being Iron Man is more important than she is.]]

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* In the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'', Steve Rogers/Captain America is MarriedToTheJob where he can only define himself through conflict America's greatest trait and would be lost without it, having difficulty with returning one of his major flaws is that he is a ''Determinator''. He will refuse to regular citizen life. He also goes stand down and compromise over things that he believes are worth fighting for. This leads to him going to extreme lengths for his friend Bucky Bucky, as well as refusing to sign the Accords due to his belief that the heroes are the best ones to make the judgement call, not the government, and this only leads to escalating the conflict in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' because Steve refuses to give up on his friend. His actor ChrisEvans has even said Steve is somewhat biased and selfish when it comes to matters involving Bucky.
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''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''.
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Tony Stark's pride, impulsiveness and ItsAllAboutMe tendencies are his primary flaws. His "run before you can walk" philosophy resulted in him and Pepper almost getting killed by the Mandarin because he told the Mandarin on live television "here is my address, come fight me". His desire to protect the world and save his friends without any real plan or even discussing things with his friends lead to the creation of [[GoneHorriblyWrong Ultron]]. He has a very hard time giving up being Iron Man and because of this, in ''Civil War'', [[spoiler: Pepper breaks up with him because being Iron Man is more important than she is.]]
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