History Main / FanDumb

13th Aug '17 3:26:20 PM KingLyger
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This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. They are SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].

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This is, although Although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, this is probably the most classic example of it. They are The Monomaniac is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it this is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].



The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the members who leave will die.

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The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's entitlement based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born liking the thing after they were.the Oldtimer did. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom fandom, constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the members who leave will die.



An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. they see slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. Tinfoil Hatters are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.

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An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. they They see slights and attacks everywhere, and blames blame everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. Tinfoil Hatters are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.



"Fandom love it or leave it!" Usually a supportive variant, this fan gets a bit too confrontational when it comes to criticism of the object of their fandom. However mild or gentle the criticism. However valid or reasonable the criticism. Regardless, in some cases, of how ''even the WordOfGod'' may agree with the criticism. They feel that anyone who considers a work flawed is nothing more than a {{Troll}} or a misguided fanboy and needs to be set straight and see the work is perfectly fine. The minute someone doesn't like something in a work or finds something in the work that bugs them, you can bet that the Misplaced Champion will show up like lightning and try their hardest to squash these criticisms simply because (in their mind) the work is just so good that there cannot be any legitimate criticism for it. The number one culprits of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow, tied with the Willfully Blind; a common line of argument is something along the lines of "why don't you go and watch something else if you hate [the show] so much?", even if the critic has made perfectly clear that they ''don't'' hate the show ''at all''. If a new installment in a series involves any sort of change, you can also expect them to respond to ''any'' criticism of the changes (however reasonable) with accusations of closed-mindedness and "just wanting the same thing again and again." Attempt to assert your case, and they'll likely accuse you of being the reason why the series will die.

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"Fandom love it or leave it!" Usually a supportive variant, this fan gets a bit too confrontational when it comes to criticism of the object of their fandom. However mild or gentle the criticism. However valid or reasonable the criticism. Regardless, in some cases, of how ''even the WordOfGod'' may agree with the criticism. They feel that anyone who considers a work their object of affection flawed is nothing more than a {{Troll}} or a misguided fanboy fanboy, and needs to be set straight and see the work is perfectly fine. The minute someone doesn't like something in a work or finds something in the work that bugs them, you can bet that the Misplaced Undesired Champion will show up like lightning and try their hardest to squash these criticisms criticisms, simply because (in their mind) the work is just so good that there cannot be any legitimate criticism for it. The number one culprits of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow, tied with the Willfully Blind; a common line of argument is something along the lines of "why don't you go and watch something else if you hate [the show] so much?", even if the critic has made perfectly clear that they ''don't'' hate the show ''at all''. If a new installment in a series involves any sort of change, you can also expect them to respond to ''any'' criticism of the changes (however reasonable) with accusations of closed-mindedness and "just wanting the same thing again and again." Attempt to assert your case, and they'll likely accuse you of being the reason why the series will die.
23rd Jul '17 8:57:49 AM HasturHasturHastur
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Every work and fandom has its own share of in-jokes and [[MemeticMutation memes]]. In small doses and at the right time, memes can be considered amusing and even clever. The Memeist, however, overuses memes to such a degree that it becomes horribly obnoxious. Memeists often care more about the memes associated with the work than the work itself, often resurrecting old memes that are out of date by several years in order to create groan-worthy new ones (usually [[StylisticSuck deliberately]] if they're intended to be shitposts). They are also considerably more immature and crass than other fans and are easily angered when their predictable attempts at humor are met with a negative response. Thankfully, they tend to congregate on meme and shitposting pages on social media and largely avoid interaction with the parent fanbases, which makes them fairly easy to avoid even if they are still very irritating.

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Every work and fandom has its own share of in-jokes and [[MemeticMutation memes]]. In small doses and at the right time, memes can be considered amusing and even clever. The Memeist, however, overuses memes to such a degree that it becomes horribly obnoxious. Memeists often care more about the memes associated with the work than the work itself, often resurrecting old memes that are out of date by several years in order to create groan-worthy new ones (usually [[StylisticSuck deliberately]] if they're intended to be shitposts).shitposts or dank memes). They are also considerably more immature and crass than other fans and are easily angered when their predictable attempts at humor are met with a negative response. Thankfully, they tend to congregate on meme and shitposting shitposting/dank meme pages on social media and largely avoid interaction with the parent fanbases, which makes them fairly easy to avoid even if they are still very irritating.
17th Jul '17 4:46:05 PM CheeseDogX
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The Perfectionist is consumed with a particular ''means'' of enjoying the product; there is only one correct way to play this game, or listen to this music, or watch this film, and that's their particular way. Many times, the Perfectionist will claim an update makes a product inferior because it deviates from their accepted {{Metagame}}, bonus points for products when the {{Metagame}} tended to be based around [[AscendedGlitch exploitation of glitches, shortcomings in the game engine]], or [[LoopholeAbuse exploiting loopholes in the rules]]. Very commonly they [[SuffersNewbiesPoorly scorn newcomers]] for changing the present community and try to chase them out.

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The Perfectionist is consumed with a particular ''means'' of enjoying the product; [[StopHavingFunGuy there is only one correct way to play this game, game]], or listen to this music, or watch this film, and that's their particular way. Many times, the Perfectionist will claim an update makes a product inferior because it deviates from their accepted {{Metagame}}, bonus points for products when the {{Metagame}} tended to be based around [[AscendedGlitch exploitation of glitches, shortcomings in the game engine]], or [[LoopholeAbuse exploiting loopholes in the rules]]. Very commonly they [[SuffersNewbiesPoorly scorn newcomers]] for changing the present community and try to chase them out.
9th Jul '17 1:09:08 PM Josef5678
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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''their'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''their'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he they will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].



An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. S/he sees slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. Tinfoil Hatters are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.

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An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. S/he sees they see slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. Tinfoil Hatters are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.
9th Jul '17 9:27:35 AM KingLyger
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The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the dying members will die.

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The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the dying members who leave will die.



This fan thinks that money equals control; having pumped a crapload of money into merchandise related to the fandom, they believe that they now own the fandom and that all creative and executive decisions must be run through them first. This tends to translate to an insanely overdeveloped sense of entitlement; the producers must bow to his every wish, regardless of how impractical or impossible this would be. He is prone to gloating over/complaining about the amount of money he has invested in the fandom, with the idea that nobody forced or continues to force him to buy every single piece of merchandise apparently not occurring to him. Whenever exclusive sweepstakes or promotional events happen, you can bet your bottom that King Customer may be the first one complaining how it should be available to ''everyone'', which may be justified in certain cases, but not for stuff like Collector's Editions or tours. This is the same type of person who will attempt to fight a speeding ticket with the line "My taxes pay your salary!"

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This fan thinks that money equals control; having pumped a crapload of money into merchandise related to the fandom, they believe that they now own the fandom and that all creative and executive decisions must be run through them first. This tends to translate to an insanely overdeveloped sense of entitlement; the producers must bow to his every wish, regardless of how impractical or impossible this would be. He is prone to gloating over/complaining about the amount of money he has invested in the fandom, with the idea that nobody forced or continues to force him to buy every single piece of merchandise apparently not occurring to him. Whenever exclusive sweepstakes or promotional events happen, you can bet your bottom dollar that King the Royal Customer may be the first one complaining how it should be available to ''everyone'', which may be justified in certain cases, but not for stuff like Collector's Editions or tours. This is the same type of person who will attempt to fight a speeding ticket with the line "My taxes pay your salary!"



This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus their ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any failings or missteps are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that their target is out to spite them personally.

An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. Reasonably or not, s/he sees slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. '''Tinfoilers''' are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.

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This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus their ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any genuine failings or missteps from the subject of the Strawstuffer's ire are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that their target is out to spite them personally.

personally. This is the type of person who will yell at a retail clerk for an item being out of stock or not being on sale that week; it's directed at the wrong person, since the clerk has no control over what's on sale or how many items are ordered.

An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or apathy to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don't like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. Reasonably or not, s/he S/he sees slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. '''Tinfoilers''' Tinfoil Hatters are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.



''A self-appointed guardian who will defend their precious work or fandom from ''any'' criticism and any"haters", even constructive criticism or fans who don't like a certain aspect.''

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''A self-appointed guardian who will defend their precious work or fandom from ''any'' criticism and any"haters", any "haters", even constructive criticism or fans who don't like a certain aspect.''



This type of fan is someone who complains about a flaw or something in the work, only, when it's remedied, to find something else to complain about, pull one of the ItSucks cards on it, or simply insist that the improved version or a sequel that fixes the flaws is "not a true entry" '''''because''''' [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked it fixed the flaw(s)]]. This form of Fan Dumb is so prevalent that it got its very own trope see UnpleasableFanbase. Especially commonly overlaps with the '''Old-Timer'''.

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This type of fan is someone who complains about a flaw or something in the work, only, when it's remedied, to find work. But, once the flaw is fixed, the Unpleasable Fan finds something else to complain about, pull one of the ItSucks cards on it, or simply insist that the improved version or a sequel that fixes the flaws is "not a true entry" '''''because''''' [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked it fixed the flaw(s)]].flaws]]. This form of Fan Dumb is so prevalent that it got its very own trope see UnpleasableFanbase. Especially commonly overlaps with the '''Old-Timer'''.
9th Jul '17 6:56:26 AM KingLyger
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The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and/or victimization and (usually) an underdeveloped sense of humor or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of an interest and (frequently) some rather irrational views on the whole thing, and finally mixed with that inability to distinguish fact from opinion and/or disagreement from hatred that so many people on the internet seem to be suffering from these days (despite these lessons typically being instilled in ''kindergarden''). They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something somehow either entitles them to special or exclusive treatment or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc.) because of their fandom.

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The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and/or victimization victimization, and (usually) an underdeveloped sense of humor or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of an interest and (frequently) some rather irrational views on the whole thing, and finally mixed with that inability to distinguish fact from opinion and/or disagreement from hatred that so many people on the internet seem to be suffering from these days (despite these lessons typically being instilled in ''kindergarden''). They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something somehow either entitles them to special or exclusive treatment or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc.) because of their fandom.



Taking these fans too seriously is usually a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, [[VocalMinority they are usually a decided minority in almost every fandom]] (though they often claim to be a majority). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of FanMyopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or perhaps more accurately, their ''personal'' views, which they tend to confuse with the views of fandom as a whole) are both more widespread and more mainstream than in fact they are. If you're a producer, then [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to them]] is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn.

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Taking these fans too seriously is usually a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, [[VocalMinority they are usually a decided minority in almost every fandom]] (though they often claim to be a majority). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of FanMyopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or perhaps more accurately, their ''personal'' views, which they tend to confuse views that they've confused with the views of fandom as a whole) majority's views) are both more widespread and more mainstream than in fact they are. If you're a producer, then [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to them]] is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn.



Sadly, every fandom has to and/or has had to deal with this and all of its variations ... no matter how much they deny it and how much they wish this problem didn't exist. Trust us, these people even annoy the makers of the shows that you like as much as they annoy the rest of us. We admit that even ''Wiki/TVTropes'' has its problems with Fan Dumb of its own. Don't worry, Fan Dumb are usually just a VocalMinority. Keep that in mind if you decide to put this as an example to any media or see this in any media here. [[SilentMajority Most of them]], including yourself (unless you actually do fit this and you know if you are), are not complete and utter morons and just want to enjoy it like everyone else. And on the same flip of the coin, ''everyone'' (yes, including ''you'') has probably been guilty of at least one Fan Dumb moment at some point in their lives if they're being honest; the key thing is being grown-up enough to be able to recognize, acknowledge, and correct it and move on rather than getting locked near-permanently into that mindset.

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Sadly, every fandom has to and/or has had to deal with this and all of its variations ... variations, no matter how much they deny it and how much they wish this problem didn't exist. Trust us, these people even annoy the makers creators of the shows things that you like as much as they annoy the rest of us. We admit that even ''Wiki/TVTropes'' has its problems with Fan Dumb of its own. Don't worry, Fan Dumb are usually just a VocalMinority. Keep that in mind if you decide to put this as an example to any media or see this in any media here. [[SilentMajority Most fans of them]], a thing]], including yourself (unless you actually do fit this and you know if you are), do), are not complete and utter morons and just want to enjoy it like everyone else. And on the same flip of the coin, ''everyone'' (yes, including ''you'') has probably been guilty of at least one Fan Dumb moment at some point in their lives if they're being honest; the key thing is being grown-up enough to be able to recognize, acknowledge, and correct it and your mistake, then move on rather than getting locked near-permanently into that mindset.



The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).

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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), Guardian, this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead immature. Instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).
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This is the kind of fan that hates/likes something about their series simply because others do too. They can't find legitimate things to talk about so they just follow a bandwagon. These people tend to have little interaction with other fans and they also usually hide their personalities online, instead acting anonymous. Similar to the Hipster Fan, but is actually a fan of the series.
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''A fan who complains and praises about things in their fanbase only because others are doing the same.''
24th Apr '17 10:05:19 PM PippinPops
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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he's just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize her/his correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon ... except s/he thinks s/he's smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don't understand their own work as much as s/he does, often peppered with phrases such as "I don't like the direction [the creator] is taking in [insert work here], "I'm not an expert on [X], but..." and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying "I could have written it better," said completely without irony. S/He can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of "hard" fandom as a whole.

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he's they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize her/his their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' ''their'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon ... except s/he thinks s/he's they think they're smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don't understand their own work as much as s/he does, they do, often peppered with phrases such as "I don't like the direction [the creator] is taking in [insert work here], "I'm not an expert on [X], but..." and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying "I could have written it better," said completely without irony. S/He They can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of "hard" fandom as a whole.



A fan who appears to have nothing in his/her heart but loathing towards the show ... and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming her/his UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who's been burned in the past, s/he nevertheless keeps hanging around purely to complain about how s/he's been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that s/he has been burned once too often by the show and will be leaving the fandom, and yet s/he never actually seems to leave. Despite the fact that s/he just complains nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show's existence (such as a cancellation threat), hers/his will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you've worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but comes back again and again. May be her/his {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, s/he may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.

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A fan who appears to have nothing in his/her their heart but loathing towards the show ... and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming her/his their UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who's been burned in the past, s/he they nevertheless keeps keep hanging around purely to complain about how s/he's they've been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that s/he has they have been burned once too often by the show and will be leaving the fandom, and yet s/he they never actually seems seem to leave. Despite the fact that s/he they just complains complain nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show's existence (such as a cancellation threat), hers/his theirs will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you've worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but yet comes back again and again. May be her/his their {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, s/he they may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.



This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of her/his demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. S/He'll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow "cheapen" his own enjoyment of those works. S/He will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.

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This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of her/his their demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. S/He'll They'll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow "cheapen" his their own enjoyment of those works. S/He They will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.



This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].

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This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is They are SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].



The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the dying memebers will die.

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The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it's based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the dying memebers members will die.



This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus his/her ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any failings or missteps are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that her/his target is out to spite him/her personally.

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This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus his/her their ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any failings or missteps are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that her/his their target is out to spite him/her them personally.



This fan refuses to see any faults in the object of her/his love at all, even if they're staring him/her right in the face. Tends to go beyond merely liking something to an irrational state of mind where his/her appreciation of it means that it cannot possibly have any faults at all. They will also [[OpinionMyopia not realize how other people could possibly not like it]], and will likewise [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow tell them they're worthless]] for not finding it the best thing since sliced bread even though this mentality can lead to ''massive'' HypeBacklash. The Willfully Blind are fond of the QualityByPopularVote and ReviewsAreTheGospel lines of argument, often insistently referring to reviews, ratings or sales figures to support this assertion. If they encounter evidence of a flaw that even they cannot ignore, they are then likely to rationalize it with the excuse that "It's still better than [optionally, [[SturgeonsLaw ninety percent]] of] everything else" or "The rest will make up for it." When encountered here on Wiki/TVTropes, these people tend to be fond of attributing any and all criticisms to an alleged UnpleasableFanbase, as if that automatically invalidates them.

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This fan refuses to see any faults in the object of her/his their love at all, even if they're staring him/her them right in the face. Tends to go beyond merely liking something to an irrational state of mind where his/her their appreciation of it means that it cannot possibly have any faults at all. They will also [[OpinionMyopia not realize how other people could possibly not like it]], and will likewise [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow tell them they're worthless]] for not finding it the best thing since sliced bread even though this mentality can lead to ''massive'' HypeBacklash. The Willfully Blind are fond of the QualityByPopularVote and ReviewsAreTheGospel lines of argument, often insistently referring to reviews, ratings or sales figures to support this assertion. If they encounter evidence of a flaw that even they cannot ignore, they are then likely to rationalize it with the excuse that "It's still better than [optionally, [[SturgeonsLaw ninety percent]] of] everything else" or "The rest will make up for it." When encountered here on Wiki/TVTropes, these people tend to be fond of attributing any and all criticisms to an alleged UnpleasableFanbase, as if that automatically invalidates them.
24th Apr '17 9:53:40 PM PippinPops
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The Character Lover is identified through his/her fixation on a particular character appearing within the story rather than the story itself, which they then take to extremes. They often come in one of two variants:

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The Character Lover is identified through his/her their fixation on a particular character appearing within the story rather than the story itself, which they then take to extremes. They often come in one of two variants:



** '''Mad Protector''': When a Mad Bride/Groom gets a bit too overprotective, they take tips from the HateDumb. They like a character and spew bile at any other character they perceive to be mean or doing horrible things to the character. It doesn't matter if the "meanie" did mean or horrible things because it makes sense in the story, or they're just doing their job as a villain, what matters is "how dare that character be mean to my baby!" And so begins the Mad Protector's hatred to those "meanies," putting them into a disliked list, demonizing and maybe even becoming a Hate Monger for that meanie, on the basis that s/he is so mean to the character they love. Sometimes if the meanie is just exceptionally mean and universally hated, this might not look like not quite a Fan Dumb. Most of the time, though, they love to attack "meanies" with their own reasons to be mean.

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** '''Mad Protector''': When a Mad Bride/Groom gets a bit too overprotective, they take tips from the HateDumb. They like a character and spew bile at any other character they perceive to be mean or doing horrible things to the character. It doesn't matter if the "meanie" did mean or horrible things because it makes sense in the story, or they're just doing their job as a villain, what matters is "how dare that character be mean to my baby!" And so begins the Mad Protector's hatred to those "meanies," putting them into a disliked list, demonizing and maybe even becoming a Hate Monger for that meanie, on the basis that s/he is they are so mean to the character they love. Sometimes if the meanie is just exceptionally mean and universally hated, this might not look like not quite a Fan Dumb. Most of the time, though, they love to attack "meanies" with their own reasons to be mean.



This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show or genre to function]]. S/He often appears to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show is not actually aimed directly at him/her (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at him. Therefore, any complaints about how it's ''not'' aimed at her/him are legitimate complaints and considered "weaknesses." If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as "proof" that it is ''actually'' for adults.

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This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show or genre to function]]. S/He They often appears appear to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show is not actually aimed directly at him/her them (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at him. them. Therefore, any complaints about how it's ''not'' aimed at her/him them are legitimate complaints and considered "weaknesses." If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as "proof" that it is ''actually'' for adults.



The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), these fans demand that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).

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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), these fans demand this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).



These fans tend to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to "I judge you if you like..." or "I judge people based on whether they have seen..." They tend to resent the influx of new fans as "plebeians" and "Johnny-come-latelys" who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks "Sold Out" or "Gone Commercial"]], whether it's true or false. Ask this person why on Earth their enjoyment of a show should be affected by the fact that some guy 2,000 miles away is also enjoying the show but without being of group X.

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These fans tend This fan tends to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to "I judge you if you like..." or "I judge people based on whether they have seen..." They tend to resent the influx of new fans as "plebeians" and "Johnny-come-latelys" who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks "Sold Out" or "Gone Commercial"]], whether it's true or false. Ask this person why on Earth their enjoyment of a show should be affected by the fact that some guy 2,000 miles away is also enjoying the show but without being of group X.



Sometimes a fan's frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it's coming from a fan and not an "approved" source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn't like the product, "it's fine the way it is, and if we don't like it, that's ''our'' problem." Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word "we" in complaining about the fandom.

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Sometimes a fan's frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it's coming from a fan and not an "approved" source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, they, or any other fan, doesn't like the product, "it's fine the way it is, and if we don't like it, that's ''our'' problem." Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word "we" in complaining about the fandom.
13th Feb '17 3:28:24 PM LondonKdS
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This fan is marked by an obsession with romantic relationships in a work that was never intended to be a romance. Related to the Culture Alien, they're the kind of person who, instead of criticizing the tacked-on romantic subplot, criticize the alien invasion for getting in the way of the B plot, and when called on it they refuse to take "It's not a soap opera" for an answer. They will pitch a fit possibly even [[HateDumb flounce from fandom]] if their OneTruePairing is {{Jossed}}. They may be a fanatical fan of one character or one pairing, or they may just have an uncontrollable desire to PairTheSpares or just the entire cast with little logical reason. They take crack pairings seriously and will never shut up about it. Either way, there is no situation where romance is too frivolous, inappropriate, or downright creepy for them.

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This fan is marked by an obsession with romantic relationships in a work that was never intended to be a romance. Related to the Culture Alien, they're the kind of person who, instead of criticizing the tacked-on romantic subplot, criticize the alien invasion for getting in the way of the B plot, and when called on it they refuse to take "It's not a soap opera" for an answer. They will pitch a fit possibly even [[HateDumb flounce from fandom]] if their OneTruePairing is {{Jossed}}. If their favorite pairing is same-sex, they may well launch a campaign for "LGBT representation" that is suspiciously narrowly focused on "make that one pairing with the two hot actors canon". They may be a fanatical fan of one character or one pairing, or they may just have an uncontrollable desire to PairTheSpares or just the entire cast with little logical reason. They take crack pairings seriously and will never shut up about it. Either way, there is no situation where romance is too frivolous, inappropriate, or downright creepy for them.
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