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10th Mar '16 10:08:33 AM Willbyr
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[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren’t quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren’t part of the fandom at all and are sick of ‘don’t they realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].

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[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside
[[folder:'''Anarchist''']]
The opposite
of the object of Theocrat (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of fanon explanations, or, even better, their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless own explanations of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character’s personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren’t quite as committed to should be the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren’t part of true characters, heaping scorn on the fandom at [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and are sick of ‘don’t they realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].on.



''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show and nothing else.''

[[folder:'''Anarchist''']]
The opposite of the Theocrat (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the fanon explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character’s personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on.
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[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won’t let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off their lawn’, saying that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are.

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[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since
[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not
the beginning, and they won’t let you forget only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] object of the fandom constantly complaining about exists for this person, except perhaps the good old days and shouting at fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off object of their lawn’, saying adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at your father died; I felt exactly the lack same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of it now, acting like the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a aren’t quite as committed to the show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, as they complain about people are, or who [[NoTrueScotsman (''gasp'') aren’t part of the fandom at all and are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than sick of ‘don’t they are.realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].


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''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show and nothing else.''

[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won’t let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off their lawn’, saying that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are.
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5th Mar '16 1:05:06 PM Josef5678
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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.

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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation CulturalTranslation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.
5th Mar '16 12:57:54 PM ReyKenobi
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[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.

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[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works
[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent
that were translated even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from another language (Usually a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or such a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns skewed perspective that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of in their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version eyes, any disapproval from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example fanbase just proves that the creator is viewers right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining at changes to about the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views. fandom.



''Someone who whines about translations and localisations while simultaneously expecting the work to conform to their own culture.''

[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.
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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.
5th Mar '16 12:52:47 PM ReyKenobi
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[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.

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[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent
[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works
that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming were translated from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see another language (Usually things from such Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a skewed perspective DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that in would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their eyes, any disapproval extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the fanbase just proves that the creator limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in viewers complaining about at changes to the fandom.script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.


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''Someone who whines about translations and localisations while simultaneously expecting the work to conform to their own culture.''

[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.
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26th Jan '16 5:32:29 PM McJeff
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''Someone who thinks that other fans are brainless masses and not a valid source of opinion.''

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''Someone ''A fan who thinks that other fans are brainless masses and not a valid source of opinion.''
18th Jan '16 8:51:36 PM Josef5678
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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her/his correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her/his correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
30th Nov '15 9:19:46 PM Sower
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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusiodnment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.

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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusiodnment.FanDisillusionment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.
29th Nov '15 7:41:04 AM MasterofAll
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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. And do visit [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/ this JournalFen community]], dedicated to collecting the most spectacular cases of Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusionment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.

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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. And do visit [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/ this JournalFen community]], dedicated to collecting the most spectacular cases of Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusionment.FanDisillusiodnment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.
8th Nov '15 9:33:37 PM FF32
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Then there’s Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is the underbelly, where SeriousBusiness becomes obsession. They are the fans who claim to be the [[MediaWatchdog watchdogs]] of their fandom, [[KnightTemplar but in reality]], they’re the [[WhyTheFandomCantHaveNiceThings dog in the manger]].

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Then there’s Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is the underbelly, where SeriousBusiness becomes obsession. They are the fans who claim to be the [[MediaWatchdog watchdogs]] of their fandom, [[KnightTemplar but in reality]], they’re the [[WhyTheFandomCantHaveNiceThings [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings dog in the manger]].
26th Aug '15 8:34:26 PM BananaPancakes
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They are nearly always someone who has completely lost perspective on [[MST3KMantra exactly how important or special the show, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things]], and don’t understand [[OpinionMyopia why others don’t feel the same as they do]]. As such, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others in response; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated ‘{{ad hominem}}’ attacks on others and place value judgments on ''them'', not their arguments — expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offence (often peppered with [[ClusterFBomb plenty of F-bombing]]) or [[CompletelyMissingThePoint a humourless deconstruction of why the joke is ‘inaccurate’]]. Particularly nasty examples may invite others to fight them or insinuate that they are too cowardly to actually say anything in person, make threats of violence, or (on occasion) actually engage in violent or threatening behavior in person.

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They are nearly always someone who has completely lost perspective on [[MST3KMantra exactly how important or special the show, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things]], and don’t understand [[OpinionMyopia why others don’t feel the same as they do]]. As such, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others in response; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated ‘{{ad hominem}}’ attacks on others and place value judgments on ''them'', not their arguments — expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offence (often peppered with [[ClusterFBomb plenty of F-bombing]]) or [[CompletelyMissingThePoint a humourless deconstruction of why the joke is ‘inaccurate’]]. Particularly nasty examples may invite others to fight them or insinuate that they are too cowardly to actually say anything in person, make threats of violence, or (on occasion) actually engage in violent or threatening behavior in person.



The Character Lover is identified through his or her fixation on a particular character appearing within the story rather than the story itself, which they then take to extremes. They often come in one of two variants:

* '''Mad Bride/Groom''': This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the show, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. They often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the show if and when their favourite character is left out of it. The lack of this character’s involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the ''Tinfoiler''; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character rather than because they’re trying to fit them into the story. Tellingly, the fan often has a [[DracoInLeatherPants rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character]] that they adore. [[{{Shipping}} Shippers]] are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character the fan actually identifies directly with, or if they become involved in a LoveTriangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) [[HateDumb the Hate Monger]].

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The Character Lover is identified through his or her his/her fixation on a particular character appearing within the story rather than the story itself, which they then take to extremes. They often come in one of two variants:

* '''Mad Bride/Groom''': This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the show, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. They often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the show if and when if/when their favourite character is left out of it. The lack of this character’s involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the ''Tinfoiler''; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character rather than because they’re trying to fit them into the story. Tellingly, the fan often has a [[DracoInLeatherPants rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character]] that they adore. [[{{Shipping}} Shippers]] are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character with whom the fan actually identifies directly with, directly, or if they become involved in a LoveTriangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) [[HateDumb the Hate Monger]].



* '''Insane Avatar''': A fan who associates themselves with a single character and hates any who criticize that character. This fan will idolize, nay, ''see themselves'' as a character from something they love. Everything associated with said character is something they would or should do. Everyone who has a slightly different opinion other than that the character in question is ‘awesome’ is wrong. ‘''Those people'' cannot understand why <Character X> does those things! How could they?! Only ''I'' understand them!’ is a common mantra for this fan, who will also reduce all sorts of questions to ‘WhatWouldXDo?’ This fan will also fight tooth and nail when defending any ships this character is in.
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* '''Insane Avatar''': A fan who associates themselves with a single character and hates any who criticize that character. This fan will idolize, nay, ''see themselves'' as a character from something they love. Everything associated with said character is something they would or should do. Everyone who has a slightly different opinion other than that the character in question is ‘awesome’ is wrong. ‘''Those people'' cannot understand why <Character X> does those things! How could they?! Only ''I'' understand them!’ is a common mantra for this fan, who will also reduce all sorts of questions to ‘WhatWouldXDo?’ ‘WhatWouldXDo’ This fan will also fight tooth and nail when defending any ships this character is in.
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This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show or genre to function]]. He often appears to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show is not actually aimed directly at him (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at him. Therefore, any complaints about how it’s ''not'' aimed at her are legitimate complaints and considered ‘weaknesses.’ If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as ‘proof’ that it is ''actually'' for adults.

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This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show or genre to function]]. He S/He often appears to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show is not actually aimed directly at him him/her (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at him. Therefore, any complaints about how it’s ''not'' aimed at her her/him are legitimate complaints and considered ‘weaknesses.’ If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as ‘proof’ that it is ''actually'' for adults.



''A fan outside of the show’s demographic who complains because the show isn’t being directed at them.''

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''A fan ''Fans outside of the show’s demographic who complains complain because the show isn’t being directed at them.''



These fans tend to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to ‘I judge you if you like…’ or ‘I judge people based on whether they have seen…’ They tend to resent the influx of new fans as ‘plebeians’ and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ‘Sold Out’ or ‘Gone Commercial’]], whether it’s true or not.

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These fans tend to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to ‘I judge you if you like…’ or ‘I judge people based on whether they have seen…’ They tend to resent the influx of new fans as ‘plebeians’ and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ‘Sold Out’ or ‘Gone Commercial’]], whether it’s true or not.false.



This kind of fan is very concerned with the morality of their chosen series. While they may be part of the target audience themselves, the Fandom Moral Guardian focuses their attention on criticising adult- or teen-oriented books or programmes [[ThinkOfTheChildren for being inappropriate for children]], even though younger audiences clearly aren't what the creators had in mind. The Fandom Moral Guardian sees a lot of fiction in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]; there are ‘dark’ works that can only be enjoyed by adults and there are ‘light’ works which are only appropriate for children. However, if creators working in the latter category decide that they’d like to make their work even a little bit darker — maybe they want the work to age alongside its original audience or hope they’ll have greater story opportunities — the Fandom Moral Guardian is convinced that the work is irretrievably shifted into the ‘dark’ category, so they’ll be there to [[ContractualPurity complain about the creator ‘betraying’ them]] and berate other fans for continuing to enjoy such [[TheNewRockAndRoll immoral material]]. Accordingly, expect this type of fan to be a little bit oversensitive about tropes like {{What Do You Mean Its For Kids}}/[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids Not For Kids]] and the AnimationAgeGhetto.

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This kind of fan is very concerned with the morality of their chosen series. While they may be part of the target audience themselves, the Fandom Moral Guardian focuses their attention on criticising adult- or teen-oriented books or programmes [[ThinkOfTheChildren for being inappropriate for children]], even though younger audiences clearly aren't what the creators had in mind. The Fandom Moral Guardian sees a lot of fiction in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]; there are ‘dark’ works that can only be enjoyed by adults can enjoy and there are ‘light’ works which are only appropriate for children. However, if creators working in the latter category decide that they’d like to make their work even a little bit darker — maybe they want the work to age alongside its original audience or hope they’ll have greater story opportunities — the Fandom Moral Guardian is convinced that the work is irretrievably shifted into the ‘dark’ category, so they’ll be there to [[ContractualPurity complain about the creator ‘betraying’ them]] and berate other fans for continuing to enjoy such [[TheNewRockAndRoll immoral material]]. Accordingly, expect this type of fan to be a little bit oversensitive about tropes like {{What Do You Mean Its For Kids}}/[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids Not For for Kids]] and the AnimationAgeGhetto.



* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because she’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, she will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon … except he thinks he’s smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don’t understand their own work as much as he does, often peppered with phrases such as ‘I don’t like the direction <the creator> is taking <insert work here>,’ ‘I may not be an expert on <X>, but…’ and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying ‘I could’ve written it better,’ said completely without irony. He can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of ‘hard’ fandom as a whole.
* '''Toxic Missionary''': This one has an idea of TrueArt as a method of education, and not necessarily an entertaining one. The Toxic Missionary may criticize the frothier parts of the show for detracting from the all-important message. Their version of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is that their show ''ought'' to make people feel uncomfortable, at least on first impression; it’s a pill they should take along with the mindless entertainment they seem to prefer. Admittedly, many an AuthorTract is trying to produce missionaries to spread its message, but Toxic Missionaries can be seen even in fanbases of shows with no apparent WriterOnBoard. Like the Toxic Visionary, these latter cases are all-too-often guilty of seeing things that aren’t there, and are often guilty of over-subscribing to the idea that they should stick it to the man. As such, they hate the RuleAbidingRebel with a passion and live in constant terror of their favourite show being perceived as one, fairly or otherwise.

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because she’s s/he’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her her/his correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''her'' ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, she s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon … except he s/he thinks he’s s/he’s smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don’t understand their own work as much as he s/he does, often peppered with phrases such as ‘I don’t like the direction <the creator> is taking <insert work here>,’ ‘I may ‘I’m not be an expert on <X>, but…’ and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying ‘I could’ve could have written it better,’ said completely without irony. He S/He can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of ‘hard’ fandom as a whole.
* '''Toxic Missionary''': This one has an idea of TrueArt as a method of education, and not necessarily an entertaining one. The Toxic Missionary may criticize the frothier parts of the show for detracting from the all-important message. Their version of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is that their show ''ought'' to make people feel uncomfortable, at least on first impression; it’s a pill they should take along with the mindless entertainment they seem to prefer. Admittedly, many an AuthorTract is trying to produce missionaries to spread its message, but Toxic Missionaries can be seen even in fanbases of shows with no apparent WriterOnBoard. Like the Toxic Visionary, these latter cases are all-too-often guilty of seeing things that aren’t there, and are often guilty of over-subscribing to the idea that they should stick it to the man. ‘The Man.’ As such, they hate the RuleAbidingRebel with a passion and live in constant terror of their favourite show being perceived as one, fairly or otherwise.



Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.

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Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if he, s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.



A fan who appears to have nothing in her heart but loathing towards the show … and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming her UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who’s been burned in the past, she nevertheless keeps hanging around purely to complain about how she’s been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that she has been burned once too often by the show and will be leaving the fandom, and yet he never actually seems to leave. Despite the fact that she just complains nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show’s existence (such as a cancellation threat), hers will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you’ve worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but comes back again and again. May be her {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, she may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.

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A fan who appears to have nothing in her his/her heart but loathing towards the show … and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming her her/his UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who’s been burned in the past, she s/he nevertheless keeps hanging around purely to complain about how she’s s/he’s been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that she s/he has been burned once too often by the show and will be leaving the fandom, and yet he s/he never actually seems to leave. Despite the fact that she s/he just complains nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show’s existence (such as a cancellation threat), hers hers/his will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you’ve worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but comes back again and again. May be her her/his {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, she s/he may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.



This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of his demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. He’ll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow ‘cheapen’ his own enjoyment of those works. He will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.

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This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of his her/his demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. He’ll S/He’ll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow ‘cheapen’ his own enjoyment of those works. He S/He will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.



Every work and fandom has its own share of in-jokes and [[MemeticMutation memes]]. In small doses and at the right time, memes can be considered amusing and even clever. The memeist, however, overuses memes to such a degree that it becomes horribly obnoxious. Memeists often care more of the memes associated with the work than the work itself, often resurrecting old memes that are out of date by several years in order to create groan-worthy new ones. They are also considerably more immature and crass than other fans and are easily angered when their predictable attempts at humour are met with a negative response.

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Every work and fandom has its own share of in-jokes and [[MemeticMutation memes]]. In small doses and at the right time, memes can be considered amusing and even clever. The memeist, Memeist, however, overuses memes to such a degree that it becomes horribly obnoxious. Memeists often care more of the memes associated with the work than the work itself, often resurrecting old memes that are out of date by several years in order to create groan-worthy new ones. They are also considerably more immature and crass than other fans and are easily angered when their predictable attempts at humour are met with a negative response.



This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism … but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus her ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any failings or missteps are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slipups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that her target is out to spite her personally.

An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or [[TheyJustDidntCare apathy]] to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don’t like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. Reasonably or not, she sees slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. '''Tinfoilers''' are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.

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This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism … but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus her his/her ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any failings or missteps are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slipups slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that her her/his target is out to spite her him/her personally.

An extreme version of the Strawstuffer can risk becoming the '''Tinfoil Hatter''', a more paranoid and tragic creature. Like the Strawstuffer, the Tinfoil Hatter ignores CreativeDifferences or [[TheyJustDidntCare apathy]] to figure out why things occur. However, they instead believe that everything they don’t like is evidence that the creators are out to attack ''them'' personally and deliberately. Reasonably or not, she s/he sees slights and attacks everywhere, and blames everything on a vitriolic creator who has a personal vendetta against her.her/him. This extends to intentional {{deconstruction}}s of their favourite plots and characters, {{Creator Breakdown}}s and characters (especially those the fan identifies with) presented as [[ThisLoserIsYou less than ideal]] or in an unconventional way. '''Tinfoilers''' are usually involved in {{Periphery Demographic}}s and, more tellingly, {{Misaimed Fandom}}s.



This fan refuses to see any faults in the object of his love at all, even if they’re staring him right in the face. Tends to go beyond merely liking something to an irrational state of mind where her appreciation of it means that it cannot possibly have any faults at all. They will also [[OpinionMyopia not realize how other people could possibly not like it]], and will likewise [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow tell them they’re worthless for not finding it the best thing since sliced bread]] even though this mentality can lead to ''massive'' HypeBacklash. The Willfully Blind are fond of the QualityByPopularVote and ReviewsAreTheGospel lines of argument, often insistently referring to reviews, ratings or sales figures to support this assertion. If they encounter evidence of a flaw that even they cannot ignore, they are then likely to rationalize it with the excuse that ‘It’s still better than [optionally, [[SturgeonsLaw ninety percent]] of] everything else’ or ‘The rest will make up for it’. When encountered here on ''Wiki/TVTropes'', these people tend to be fond of attributing any and all criticisms to an alleged UnpleasableFanbase, as if that automatically invalidates them.

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This fan refuses to see any faults in the object of his her/his love at all, even if they’re staring him him/her right in the face. Tends to go beyond merely liking something to an irrational state of mind where her his/her appreciation of it means that it cannot possibly have any faults at all. They will also [[OpinionMyopia not realize how other people could possibly not like it]], and will likewise [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow tell them they’re worthless for not finding it the best thing since sliced bread]] even though this mentality can lead to ''massive'' HypeBacklash. The Willfully Blind are fond of the QualityByPopularVote and ReviewsAreTheGospel lines of argument, often insistently referring to reviews, ratings or sales figures to support this assertion. If they encounter evidence of a flaw that even they cannot ignore, they are then likely to rationalize it with the excuse that ‘It’s still better than [optionally, [[SturgeonsLaw ninety percent]] of] everything else’ or ‘The ‘The rest will make up for it’. When encountered here on ''Wiki/TVTropes'', these people tend to be fond of attributing any and all criticisms to an alleged UnpleasableFanbase, as if that automatically invalidates them.



''A fan who insists their favorite work is flawless and perfect and anyone else who says otherwise is '''WRONG'''.''

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''A fan who insists their favorite work is flawless and perfect and anyone else who says otherwise is '''WRONG'''.''
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