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10th Aug '16 9:44:56 AM HasturHasturHastur
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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), these fans demand that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] is another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably bitching about the "pussification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously.

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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), these fans demand that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] is another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably bitching about the "pussification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously.seriously).
10th Aug '16 9:43:04 AM HasturHasturHastur
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[[folder:'''Elitist''']]
These fans tend to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to ‘I judge you if you like…’ or ‘I judge people based on whether they have seen…’ They tend to resent the influx of new fans as ‘plebeians’ and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ‘Sold Out’ or ‘Gone Commercial’]], whether it’s true or false.

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[[folder:'''Elitist''']]
These
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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian (as seen below), these
fans tend to spring up demand that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when the show goes from being a cult favorite it would be to the mainstream. They are often prone to ‘I judge you if you like…’ or ‘I judge people based on whether they have seen…’ They tend to resent detriment of the influx of new fans as ‘plebeians’ and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of work. Furthermore, their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature; instead of more complex and difficult themes, they might would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually try want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to set their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] is another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect known to hear a lot of whining the creators, they're probably bitching about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ‘Sold Out’ "pussification" of a work or ‘Gone Commercial’]], whether it’s true or false.trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously.


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''Fans who want a work to take a DarkerAndEdgier turn despite their idea of "dark and edgy" being exceedingly juvenile.''

[[folder:'''Elitist''']]
These fans tend to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to ‘I judge you if you like…’ or ‘I judge people based on whether they have seen…’ They tend to resent the influx of new fans as ‘plebeians’ and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ‘Sold Out’ or ‘Gone Commercial’]], whether it’s true or false.
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1st Aug '16 2:24:51 AM Malvina
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* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon … except s/he thinks s/he’s smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don’t understand their own work as much as s/he does, often peppered with phrases such as ‘I don’t like the direction <the creator> is taking <insert work here>,’ ‘I’m not be an expert on <X>, but…’ and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying ‘I could have written it better,’ said completely without irony. S/He can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of ‘hard’ fandom as a whole.

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* '''Toxic Visionary''': Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionary uses his perceived intelligence as a weapon … except s/he thinks s/he’s smarter than the creators. A self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) expert on everything, the Visionary is given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don’t understand their own work as much as s/he does, often peppered with phrases such as ‘I don’t like the direction <the creator> is taking in <insert work here>,’ ‘I’m not be an expert on <X>, but…’ and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying ‘I could have written it better,’ said completely without irony. S/He can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent {{Subtext}}, earnestly trying to settle questions [[ShrugOfGod the creators would rather leave unanswered]] and overestimating the significance of ‘hard’ fandom as a whole.
10th Mar '16 10:08:33 AM Willbyr
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[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren’t quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren’t part of the fandom at all and are sick of ‘don’t they realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].

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[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside
[[folder:'''Anarchist''']]
The opposite
of the object of Theocrat (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of fanon explanations, or, even better, their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless own explanations of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character’s personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren’t quite as committed to should be the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren’t part of true characters, heaping scorn on the fandom at [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and are sick of ‘don’t they realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].on.



''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show and nothing else.''

[[folder:'''Anarchist''']]
The opposite of the Theocrat (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the fanon explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character’s personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on.
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[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won’t let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off their lawn’, saying that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are.

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[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since
[[folder:The '''Monomaniac''']]
This is, although not
the beginning, and they won’t let you forget only type of Fan Dumb by any means, probably the most classic example of it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important S/he is SeriousBusiness taken to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] object of the fandom constantly complaining about exists for this person, except perhaps the good old days and shouting at fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off object of their lawn’, saying adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate it is (‘Yeah, it sucks that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at your father died; I felt exactly the lack same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19’). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of it now, acting like the work in a general context — [[UpToEleven and then some]] … and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a aren’t quite as committed to the show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, as they complain about people are, or who [[NoTrueScotsman (''gasp'') aren’t part of the fandom at all and are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than sick of ‘don’t they are.realise how ''important'' it is?’ lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].


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''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show and nothing else.''

[[folder:'''Old-Timer''']]
The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won’t let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but it’s based on how much time they’ve invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they’ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they’re far more important to the franchise than these kids and ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of being born after they were. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) — but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they’re the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the ‘young whippersnappers’ to ‘get off their lawn’, saying that they’re too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem … yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say ‘back in my day we <did unpleasant action X> and we liked it.’ Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are.
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5th Mar '16 1:05:06 PM Josef5678
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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.

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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation CulturalTranslation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.
5th Mar '16 12:57:54 PM ReyKenobi
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[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.

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[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works
[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent
that were translated even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from another language (Usually a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or such a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns skewed perspective that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of in their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version eyes, any disapproval from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example fanbase just proves that the creator is viewers right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining at changes to about the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views. fandom.



''Someone who whines about translations and localisations while simultaneously expecting the work to conform to their own culture.''

[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.
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* A subspecies of the Purist is the '''Imperialist'''. This fan is normally found around works that were translated from another language (Usually things from Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}}, SuperlativeDubbing, and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is viewers complaining at changes to the script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.
5th Mar '16 12:52:47 PM ReyKenobi
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[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.

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[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent
[[folder:'''Imperialist''']]
This fan is normally found around works
that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming were translated from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see another language (Usually things from such Japan - as these are most commonly found around Japanese localisations). The tropes {{Woolseyism}} and CulturalAdaptation ''do not exist'' to these people, as any changes made to the script, even if it's to avoid something being LostInTranslation or a skewed perspective DubInducedPlothole, is a {{Macekre}}. Expect these people to frequently cry "bad translation" and "Memes for Memes sake" when something is localised, and assume for them to cry BlindIdiotTranslation when the translation is actually accurate and faithful to the original, just not a word-for-word translation. A frequent source of MisBlamed. If any change is made, even if it is to comply with local laws to even [[NoExportForYou allow the work to be marketed there legit in the first place]], it is because the company assumes ViewersAreMorons. Puns that in would otherwise [[LostInTranslation go far over the heads of viewers who aren't familiar with that language]] and changed to something they would be familiar with? ViewersAreMorons. In spite of their eyes, any disapproval extreme insistence of cultural purity in translations, expect many Imperialists to actually be [[ValuesDissonance somewhat blind to how different cultures truly are]], and are only familiar with [[TheThemeParkVersion an idealised version from the fanbase just proves that the creator limited insight they have]]. A frequent example is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in viewers complaining about at changes to the fandom.script while expressing {{Squick}} at works that originate from countries with a lower age of consent or less liberal views.


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''Someone who whines about translations and localisations while simultaneously expecting the work to conform to their own culture.''

[[folder:'''Litter-Bearer''']]
Sometimes a fan’s frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it’s coming from a fan and not an ‘approved’ source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if s/he, or any other fan, doesn’t like the product, ‘it’s fine the way it is, and if we don’t like it, that’s ''our'' problem’. Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word ‘we’ in complaining about the fandom.
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26th Jan '16 5:32:29 PM McJeff
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''Someone who thinks that other fans are brainless masses and not a valid source of opinion.''

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''Someone ''A fan who thinks that other fans are brainless masses and not a valid source of opinion.''
18th Jan '16 8:51:36 PM Josef5678
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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her/his correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seem seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with her/his strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because s/he’s just so much smarter than they are that they can’t recognize her/his correctness. The operative term is usually ‘you just don’t get it’ (i.e. ‘you’re much stupider than I am and thus can’t see why this show is amazing/dreadful’), couched in as patronising and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''his/her'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, s/he will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].
30th Nov '15 9:19:46 PM Sower
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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusiodnment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.

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See also SingleIssueWonk. A specific example is DieForOurShip. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both ArtistDisillusionment and FanDisillusiodnment.FanDisillusionment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people’s impressions to construct the stereotype of the StrawFan. Can be confused easily with a {{Troll}}, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also UnpleasableFanbase and BrokenBase for the massive versions of this.
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