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1st Jan '18 3:21:56 PM Scifimaster92
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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian, this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature. Instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with [[DeadBabyComedy unfunny anti-PC humor]], [[BloodierAndGorier gratuitous violence and bloodshed]], [[HotterAndSexier oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality]], and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).

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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian, this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature. Instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with [[DeadBabyComedy [[BlackComedy unfunny anti-PC humor]], [[BloodierAndGorier gratuitous violence and bloodshed]], [[HotterAndSexier oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality]], and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).
15th Dec '17 11:43:45 PM Wyvernil
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This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of their demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. They'll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow "cheapen" their own enjoyment of those works. They will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.

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This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed ''only'' towards members of their demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means [[PeripheryDemographic members of other demographics]] are not allowed to enjoy those works. They'll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow "cheapen" their own enjoyment of those works. They may fear that the existence of a PeripheryDemographic will "taint" the direction of the work, and that the writers will bring undesired changes to cater to the periphery. They will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often SuffersNewbiesPoorly.
6th Dec '17 9:53:30 AM HasturHasturHastur
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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian, this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature. Instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with unfunny anti-PC humor, gratuitous violence and bloodshed, oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).

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The opposite of the Fandom Moral Guardian, this fan demands that a work go DarkerAndEdgier, even when it would be to the detriment of the work. Furthermore, their idea of a darker turn is usually exceedingly puerile, devoid of nuance, and overall sophomoric and immature. Instead of more complex and difficult themes, they would be ''far'' happier with [[DeadBabyComedy unfunny anti-PC humor, humor]], [[BloodierAndGorier gratuitous violence and bloodshed, bloodshed]], [[HotterAndSexier oversexualization and adolescent-level depictions of sexuality, sexuality]], and [[{{Wangst}} overwrought melodrama and blind pessimism and nihilism]]. In short, they don't actually want a truly DarkerAndEdgier work, they want one that caters to their own underdeveloped, childish tastes. In practice, they are most commonly the purveyors of cringeworthy fanfics and fanart; if you spot a fanwork that has the above characteristics, you're probably witnessing one of these in action. Overly edgy and one-dimensional [[OriginalCharacter OCs]] are another dead giveaway; on the rare occasions where they make themselves known to the creators, they're probably complaining about the "kiddification" of a work or trying to insinuate that it hasn't been keeping up with the times (in spite of the fact that most of their suggestions will ''instantly'' date a work if taken seriously).
18th Nov '17 7:32:25 AM mario0987
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This type of fan does not care how many people like the newer versions of a particular franchise, how successful they are or if the original work is viewed with distain because what came later improved on it or it is [[SeinfieldIsUnfunny clearly outdated]]. To them, only the original is worthy of being called good. These guys have a very powerful NostalgiaFilter in place and any change will be reacted to with [[TheyChangedItSoItSucks EXTREME dislike]]. Trying to defend the newer entries (especially if the defence involves pointing out the elements a Genwunner hates about latter entries [[FranchiseOriginalSin showed up in the original work too]]) or pointing out the original's flaws to them will be met with a response the new entries are still worse.

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This type of fan does not care how many people like the newer versions of a particular franchise, how successful they are or if the original work is viewed with distain because what came later improved on it or it is [[SeinfieldIsUnfunny [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny clearly outdated]]. To them, only the original is worthy of being called good. These guys have a very powerful NostalgiaFilter in place and any change will be reacted to with [[TheyChangedItSoItSucks EXTREME dislike]]. Trying to defend the newer entries (especially if the defence involves pointing out the elements a Genwunner hates about latter entries [[FranchiseOriginalSin showed up in the original work too]]) too, even if it was worse then than now]]) or pointing out the original's flaws to them will be met with a response the new entries are still worse.
18th Nov '17 7:30:05 AM mario0987
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[[folder:'''Fandom Moral Guardian''']]
This kind of fan is very concerned with the morality of their chosen series. While they may be part of the target audience themselves, the Fandom Moral Guardian focuses their attention on criticizing adult- or teen-oriented books or programs [[ThinkOfTheChildren for being inappropriate for children]], even though younger audiences clearly aren't what the creators had in mind. The Fandom Moral Guardian sees a lot of fiction in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]; there are "dark" works that only adults can enjoy and there are "light" works which are only appropriate for children. However, if creators working in the latter category decide that they'd like to make their work even a little bit darker maybe they want the work to age alongside its original audience or hope they'll have greater story opportunities the Fandom Moral Guardian is convinced that the work is irretrievably shifted into the "dark" category, so they'll be there to [[ContractualPurity complain about the creator "betraying" them]] and berate other fans for continuing to enjoy such [[TheNewRockAndRoll immoral material]]. Accordingly, expect this type of fan to be a little bit oversensitive about tropes like {{What Do You Mean Its For Kids}}/[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids Not for Kids]] and the AnimationAgeGhetto.

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[[folder:'''Fandom Moral Guardian''']]
[[folder:'''Genwunner''']]
This kind of fan is very concerned with the morality of their chosen series. While they may be part of the target audience themselves, the Fandom Moral Guardian focuses their attention on criticizing adult- or teen-oriented books or programs [[ThinkOfTheChildren for being inappropriate for children]], even though younger audiences clearly aren't what the creators had in mind. The Fandom Moral Guardian sees a lot of fiction in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]; there are "dark" works that only adults can enjoy and there are "light" works which are only appropriate for children. However, if creators working in the latter category decide that they'd like to make their work even a little bit darker maybe they want the work to age alongside its original audience or hope they'll have greater story opportunities the Fandom Moral Guardian is convinced that the work is irretrievably shifted into the "dark" category, so they'll be there to [[ContractualPurity complain about the creator "betraying" them]] and berate other fans for continuing to enjoy such [[TheNewRockAndRoll immoral material]]. Accordingly, expect this type of fan does not care how many people like the newer versions of a particular franchise, how successful they are or if the original work is viewed with distain because what came later improved on it or it is [[SeinfieldIsUnfunny clearly outdated]]. To them, only the original is worthy of being called good. These guys have a very powerful NostalgiaFilter in place and any change will be reacted to be with [[TheyChangedItSoItSucks EXTREME dislike]]. Trying to defend the newer entries (especially if the defence involves pointing out the elements a little bit oversensitive Genwunner hates about tropes like {{What Do You Mean Its For Kids}}/[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids Not for Kids]] and latter entries [[FranchiseOriginalSin showed up in the AnimationAgeGhetto.original work too]]) or pointing out the original's flaws to them will be met with a response the new entries are still worse.


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''A fan who thinks the original entry in a series is the only good one.''

[[folder:'''Fandom Moral Guardian''']]
This kind of fan is very concerned with the morality of their chosen series. While they may be part of the target audience themselves, the Fandom Moral Guardian focuses their attention on criticizing adult- or teen-oriented books or programs [[ThinkOfTheChildren for being inappropriate for children]], even though younger audiences clearly aren't what the creators had in mind. The Fandom Moral Guardian sees a lot of fiction in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]; there are "dark" works that only adults can enjoy and there are "light" works which are only appropriate for children. However, if creators working in the latter category decide that they'd like to make their work even a little bit darker maybe they want the work to age alongside its original audience or hope they'll have greater story opportunities the Fandom Moral Guardian is convinced that the work is irretrievably shifted into the "dark" category, so they'll be there to [[ContractualPurity complain about the creator "betraying" them]] and berate other fans for continuing to enjoy such [[TheNewRockAndRoll immoral material]]. Accordingly, expect this type of fan to be a little bit oversensitive about tropes like {{What Do You Mean Its For Kids}}/[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids Not for Kids]] and the AnimationAgeGhetto.
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11th Nov '17 9:37:21 AM Josef5678
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The opposite of the '''Theocrat''' (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the {{fanon}} explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character's personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on. Ironically / hypocritically, while this type of fan will stubbornly challenge and reject anything the author says, they'll usually react with anger and offence if anyone dares question ''their'' preferred interpretation. When dealing with this kind of Fan, it may be helpful to construct an analogy of a student taking an exam who insists on only giving answers that she herself and/or her classmates came up with, even when they contradict answers the teacher himself has provided, and she even argues with the teacher after getting her "incorrect" paper back. Then, ask the Anarchist "Now, considering that this is in fact [insert creator's name]'s story and not ''your'' story, how are you any different from this bizarre student?"

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The opposite of the '''Theocrat''' (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the {{fanon}} explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character's personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing [[OfficialCouple canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on. Ironically / hypocritically, while this type of fan will stubbornly challenge and reject anything the author says, they'll usually react with anger and offence if anyone dares question ''their'' preferred interpretation. When dealing with this kind of Fan, it may be helpful to construct an analogy of a student taking an exam who insists on only giving answers that she herself and/or her classmates came up with, even when they contradict answers the teacher himself has provided, and she even argues with the teacher after getting her "incorrect" paper back. Then, ask the Anarchist "Now, considering that this is in fact [insert creator's name]'s story and not ''your'' story, how are you any different from this bizarre student?"
11th Nov '17 12:54:13 AM DoctorNemesis
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The opposite of the '''Theocrat''' (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the {{fanon}} explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character's personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on. When dealing with this kind of Fan, it may be helpful to construct an analogy of a student taking an exam who insists on only giving answers that she herself and/or her classmates came up with, even when they contradict answers the teacher himself has provided, and she even argues with the teacher after getting her "incorrect" paper back. Then, ask the Anarchist "Now, considering that this is in fact [insert creator's name]'s story and not ''your'' story, how are you any different from this bizarre student?"

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The opposite of the '''Theocrat''' (see below), and often veering into HateDumb territory as well, these are fans who, above all else, prefer ''only'' the {{fanon}} explanations, or, even better, their own explanations of canon events and characters. Often found twisting a character's personality into a DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater and saying that those should be the true characters, heaping scorn on the [[OneTruePairing canon pairing]] and propagating DieForOurShip, taking WordOfDante over WordOfGod and declaring the latter as a result of {{bad writing|Index}}, erasing any and all clarifications of {{Plot Hole}}s to fit their own personal canons, the list goes on and on. Ironically / hypocritically, while this type of fan will stubbornly challenge and reject anything the author says, they'll usually react with anger and offence if anyone dares question ''their'' preferred interpretation. When dealing with this kind of Fan, it may be helpful to construct an analogy of a student taking an exam who insists on only giving answers that she herself and/or her classmates came up with, even when they contradict answers the teacher himself has provided, and she even argues with the teacher after getting her "incorrect" paper back. Then, ask the Anarchist "Now, considering that this is in fact [insert creator's name]'s story and not ''your'' story, how are you any different from this bizarre student?"
31st Oct '17 12:15:20 AM DoctorNemesis
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The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and/or victimization, and (usually) an underdeveloped sense of [[NoSenseOfHumor humor]] or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of an interest and (frequently) some rather irrational views on the whole thing, and finally mixed with that inability to distinguish fact from opinion and/or [[CantTakeCriticism disagreement from hatred]] that so many people on the internet seem to be suffering from these days (despite these lessons typically being instilled in ''kindergarden''). They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something somehow entitles them to special or exclusive treatment, or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc.) because of their fandom.

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The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and/or victimization, and (usually) an underdeveloped sense of [[NoSenseOfHumor humor]] or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of an interest and (frequently) some rather irrational views on the whole thing, and finally mixed thing. Finally, we can also mix this with that the inability to distinguish fact from opinion and/or [[CantTakeCriticism disagreement from hatred]] that so many people on the internet seem to be suffering from these days (despite these lessons typically being instilled in ''kindergarden'').''kindergarten''). They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something somehow entitles them to special or exclusive treatment, or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc.) because of their fandom.
17th Oct '17 9:34:39 AM TT454
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Chicken Littles see doom in every raindrop, and lives in perpetual terror that the sky is about to come crashing down on top of them. Whilst no franchise can claim to be entirely perfect and flawless, the Chicken Little is terrified that any misstep on the part of the producers [[JumpingTheShark will inevitably result in cancellation]]. While it is, in fact, possible for [[SeasonalRot franchises to]] [[DorkAge get worse]], Chicken Little responds to every proposed change, [[TaintedByThePreview every teaser, every trailer]], and every bit of KudzuPlot with paranoia. Chicken Little also has almost no hope for any spinoffs. Expect these guys to scream "[[ThisIsGonnaSuck This game/show/book/etc. will SUUUUUUCK!]]" or "This will singlehandedly [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruin the franchise forever!!!]]" A Chicken Little may also see any signs of slowing down, fall in popularity, or decline in the size of the fanbase, however tiny, as a sure sign that the work is doomed to fail and are often wondering how long it will be until support is completely killed off. While it is rare for a franchise ever to have a consistently steady increase in views or fans (other franchises can also grab a fan's attention since people do like more than one thing), in the eyes of a Chicken Little, the loss of a few fans may as well be a death sentence. Often combined with the Old-Timer. This person is [[TheParanoiac paranoid]], plain and simple. When you point this out to them, make sure to mention the fact that franchises never get canceled for things as minor as what Chicken Little is getting so anxious over, and in fact it takes something much bigger.

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Chicken Littles see doom in every raindrop, and lives in perpetual terror that the sky is about to come crashing down on top of them. Whilst no franchise can claim to be entirely perfect and flawless, the Chicken Little is terrified that any misstep on the part of the producers [[JumpingTheShark will inevitably result in cancellation]]. While it is, in fact, possible for [[SeasonalRot franchises to]] [[DorkAge get worse]], Chicken Little responds to every proposed change, [[TaintedByThePreview every teaser, every trailer]], and every bit of KudzuPlot with paranoia. Chicken Little also has almost no hope for any spinoffs. Expect these guys to scream "[[ThisIsGonnaSuck This game/show/book/etc.film/game/show/book/etc. will SUUUUUUCK!]]" or "This will singlehandedly [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruin the franchise forever!!!]]" A Chicken Little may also see any signs of slowing down, fall in popularity, or decline in the size of the fanbase, however tiny, as a sure sign that the work is doomed to fail and are often wondering how long it will be until support is completely killed off. While it is rare for a franchise ever to have a consistently steady increase in views or fans (other franchises can also grab a fan's attention since people do like more than one thing), in the eyes of a Chicken Little, the loss of a few fans may as well be a death sentence. Often combined with the Old-Timer. This person is [[TheParanoiac paranoid]], plain and simple. When you point this out to them, make sure to mention the fact that franchises never get canceled for things as minor as what Chicken Little is getting so anxious over, and in fact it takes something much bigger.
17th Oct '17 9:34:19 AM TT454
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They are nearly always someone who has completely lost perspective on [[MST3KMantra exactly how important or special the show, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things]], and [[OpinionMyopia don't understand why others don't feel the same as they do]]. As such, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others in response; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated {{ad hominem}} attacks on others and place value judgments on ''them'', not their arguments expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. (the correct response to such insults is to say "not an argument"). And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offense (often peppered with [[ClusterFBomb plenty of F-bombing]]) or [[CompletelyMissingThePoint a humorless deconstruction of why the joke is "inaccurate"]]. Particularly nasty examples may [[InternetToughGuy invite others to fight them]] or insinuate that they are too cowardly to say anything in person, make threats of violence, or (on occasion) actually engage in violent or threatening behavior in person.

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They are nearly always someone who has completely lost perspective on [[MST3KMantra exactly how important or special the show, franchise, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things]], and [[OpinionMyopia don't understand why others don't feel the same as they do]]. As such, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others in response; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated {{ad hominem}} attacks on others and place value judgments on ''them'', not their arguments expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. (the correct response to such insults is to say "not an argument"). And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offense (often peppered with [[ClusterFBomb plenty of F-bombing]]) or [[CompletelyMissingThePoint a humorless deconstruction of why the joke is "inaccurate"]]. Particularly nasty examples may [[InternetToughGuy invite others to fight them]] or insinuate that they are too cowardly to say anything in person, make threats of violence, or (on occasion) actually engage in violent or threatening behavior in person.



Although a Fan Dumb often holds idiosyncratic views about the show and demonstrates a passionate interest in it, it is important to note that neither controversial views nor intense interest are necessarily an indication of Fan Dumb in and of themselves. Differing viewpoints are inevitable in a large gathering of people (and knee-jerk objection to a differing opinion simply because it's a differing opinion is often a good sign that you belong in Fan Dumb yourself), and most people join fandoms in the first place ''because'' they're [[SeriousBusiness passionate about something]] and they want to celebrate it with other people who find it special. Many people manage to hold contrary or passionately enthusiastic viewpoints whilst still remaining civil and decent; similarly, many dismissed as Fan Dumb hold views that, on the surface, are actually quite reasonable. The problem with Fan Dumb is not necessarily the level of interest or the viewpoint, but the way it is expressed; even a reasonable argument will sound insane if it's being screamed in someone's face.

Taking these fans too seriously is a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, [[VocalMinority they are a decided minority in almost every fandom]] (though [[{{Astroturfing}} they often claim to be a majority]]). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of FanMyopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or more accurately, their ''personal'' views [[OpinionMyopia that they've confused with the majority's views]]) are both more widespread and more mainstream than they are. If you're a producer, [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to them]] is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn.

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Although a Fan Dumb often holds idiosyncratic views about the show franchise and demonstrates a passionate interest in it, it is important to note that neither controversial views nor intense interest are necessarily an indication of Fan Dumb in and of themselves. Differing viewpoints are inevitable in a large gathering of people (and knee-jerk objection to a differing opinion simply because it's a differing opinion is often a good sign that you belong in Fan Dumb yourself), and most people join fandoms in the first place ''because'' they're [[SeriousBusiness passionate about something]] and they want to celebrate it with other people who find it special. Many people manage to hold contrary or passionately enthusiastic viewpoints whilst still remaining civil and decent; similarly, many dismissed as Fan Dumb hold views that, on the surface, are actually quite reasonable. The problem with Fan Dumb is not necessarily the level of interest or the viewpoint, but the way it is expressed; even a reasonable argument will sound insane if it's being screamed in someone's face.

Taking these fans too seriously is a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, [[VocalMinority they are a decided minority in almost every fandom]] (though [[{{Astroturfing}} they often claim to be a majority]]). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of FanMyopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or more accurately, their ''personal'' views [[OpinionMyopia that they've confused with the majority's views]]) are both more widespread and more mainstream than they are. If you're a producer, [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to them]] is usually a good way to make your show franchise crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show franchise crash and burn.



* '''Mad Bride/Groom''': This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the show, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. They often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the show if/when their favourite character is [[PutOnABus left out of it]]. The lack of this character's involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the '''Tinfoiler'''; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom, the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character, rather than because they're unable to fit them into the story (which begs the question of why the producers don't simply [[KilledOffForReal kill the character off]], or why they went out of their way to create them in the first place). Tellingly, the fan often has a [[DracoInLeatherPants rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character]] that they adore. [[{{Shipping}} Shippers]] are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character with whom the fan actually identifies directly, or if they become involved in a LoveTriangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) [[HateDumb the Hate Monger]]. One should ask the Mad Bride/Groom to compare the amount of screentime they want of their crush to the amount the central protagonist already gets (unless their crush ''is'' the central protagonist, in which case you should point out that any character would quickly become dull in a vacuum), and also point out that the producers would then get numerous other complaints from the Mad Bride/Grooms of all the other characters. For their own sake, it should also be pointed out to them that [[StalkerWithACrush people who display this degree of affection for real-life people]] tend to get restraining orders placed upon them.

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* '''Mad Bride/Groom''': This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the show, franchise, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. They often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the show franchise if/when their favourite character is [[PutOnABus left out of it]]. The lack of this character's involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the '''Tinfoiler'''; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom, the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character, rather than because they're unable to fit them into the story (which begs the question of why the producers don't simply [[KilledOffForReal kill the character off]], or why they went out of their way to create them in the first place). Tellingly, the fan often has a [[DracoInLeatherPants rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character]] that they adore. [[{{Shipping}} Shippers]] are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character with whom the fan actually identifies directly, or if they become involved in a LoveTriangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) [[HateDumb the Hate Monger]]. One should ask the Mad Bride/Groom to compare the amount of screentime they want of their crush to the amount the central protagonist already gets (unless their crush ''is'' the central protagonist, in which case you should point out that any character would quickly become dull in a vacuum), and also point out that the producers would then get numerous other complaints from the Mad Bride/Grooms of all the other characters. For their own sake, it should also be pointed out to them that [[StalkerWithACrush people who display this degree of affection for real-life people]] tend to get restraining orders placed upon them.



Chicken Littles see doom in every raindrop, and lives in perpetual terror that the sky is about to come crashing down on top of them. Whilst no show can claim to be entirely perfect and flawless, the Chicken Little is terrified that any misstep on the part of the producers [[JumpingTheShark will inevitably result in cancellation]]. While it is, in fact, possible for [[SeasonalRot shows to]] [[DorkAge get worse]], Chicken Little responds to every proposed change, [[TaintedByThePreview every teaser, every trailer]], and every bit of KudzuPlot with paranoia. Chicken Little also has almost no hope for any spinoffs. Expect these guys to scream "[[ThisIsGonnaSuck This game/show/book will SUUUUUUCK!]]" or "This will singlehandedly [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruin the franchise forever!!!]]" A Chicken Little may also see any signs of slowing down, fall in popularity, or decline in the size of the fanbase, however tiny, as a sure sign that the work is doomed to fail and are often wondering how long it will be until support is completely killed off. While it is rare for a show ever to have a consistently steady increase in views or fans (other shows and works can also grab a fan's attention since people do like more than one thing), in the eyes of a Chicken Little, the loss of a few fans may as well be a death sentence. Often combined with the Old-Timer. This person is [[TheParanoiac paranoid]], plain and simple. When you point this out to them, make sure to mention the fact that shows never get canceled for things as minor as what Chicken Little is getting so anxious over, and in fact it takes something much bigger.

A variant exists in the form of the '''Bizarro Chicken Little''', who operates under the belief that even the tiniest voice of criticism will reach the ears of the PowersThatBe, who will immediately cancel the show in the belief that nobody likes it anymore. Ergo, all voices of criticism must be silenced with prejudice in order to keep the show on the air.

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Chicken Littles see doom in every raindrop, and lives in perpetual terror that the sky is about to come crashing down on top of them. Whilst no show franchise can claim to be entirely perfect and flawless, the Chicken Little is terrified that any misstep on the part of the producers [[JumpingTheShark will inevitably result in cancellation]]. While it is, in fact, possible for [[SeasonalRot shows franchises to]] [[DorkAge get worse]], Chicken Little responds to every proposed change, [[TaintedByThePreview every teaser, every trailer]], and every bit of KudzuPlot with paranoia. Chicken Little also has almost no hope for any spinoffs. Expect these guys to scream "[[ThisIsGonnaSuck This game/show/book game/show/book/etc. will SUUUUUUCK!]]" or "This will singlehandedly [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruin the franchise forever!!!]]" A Chicken Little may also see any signs of slowing down, fall in popularity, or decline in the size of the fanbase, however tiny, as a sure sign that the work is doomed to fail and are often wondering how long it will be until support is completely killed off. While it is rare for a show franchise ever to have a consistently steady increase in views or fans (other shows and works franchises can also grab a fan's attention since people do like more than one thing), in the eyes of a Chicken Little, the loss of a few fans may as well be a death sentence. Often combined with the Old-Timer. This person is [[TheParanoiac paranoid]], plain and simple. When you point this out to them, make sure to mention the fact that shows franchises never get canceled for things as minor as what Chicken Little is getting so anxious over, and in fact it takes something much bigger.

A variant exists in the form of the '''Bizarro Chicken Little''', who operates under the belief that even the tiniest voice of criticism will reach the ears of the PowersThatBe, who will immediately cancel the show franchise in the belief that nobody likes it anymore. Ergo, all voices of criticism must be silenced with prejudice in order to keep the show franchise on the air.



''A fan who's paranoid about their favorite show being [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruined]] or cancelled.''

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''A fan who's paranoid about their favorite show franchise being [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruined]] or cancelled.''



This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show or genre to function]]. They often appear to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show is not actually aimed directly at them (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at them. Therefore, any complaints about how it's ''not'' aimed at them are legitimate complaints and considered "weaknesses." If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as "proof" that it is ''actually'' for adults.

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This fan often seems to have no WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be [[NecessaryWeasel necessary or even essential for that show franchise or genre to function]]. They often appear to be a member of a PeripheryDemographic who cannot or does not wish to accept that the show franchise is not actually aimed directly at them (if at all), and yet resents the fact that it is not actually aimed at them. Therefore, any complaints about how it's ''not'' aimed at them are legitimate complaints and considered "weaknesses." If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as "proof" that it is ''actually'' for adults.



''Fans outside the show's demographic who complain because the show isn't being directed at them.''

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''Fans outside the show's franchise's demographic who complain because the show franchise isn't being directed at them.''



This fan tends to spring up when the show goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to "I judge you if you like..." or "I judge people based on whether they have seen..." They tend to resent the influx of new fans as "plebeians" and "Johnny-come-latelys" who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks "Sold Out" or "Gone Commercial"]], whether it's true or false. Ask this person why on Earth their enjoyment of a show should be affected by the fact that some guy 2,000 miles away is also enjoying the show but without being of group X.

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This fan tends to spring up when the show franchise goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They are often prone to "I judge you if you like..." or "I judge people based on whether they have seen..." They tend to resent the influx of new fans as "plebeians" and "Johnny-come-latelys" who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an [[SmallNameBigEgo ego-stroking exercise]], they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and [[InternetMimic mimics]] they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the show franchise has [[ItsPopularNowItSucks "Sold Out" or "Gone Commercial"]], whether it's true or false. Ask this person why on Earth their enjoyment of a show franchise should be affected by the fact that some guy 2,000 miles away is also enjoying the show franchise but without being of group X.



* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''their'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, they will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].

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* '''Toxic Genius''': A fan who seems to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this show franchise is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often [[EpilepticTrees wildly off-mark]]) analysis of the show.franchise. Many times the Toxic Genius is often shown as being a single-character-interpreter blind to AlternateCharacterInterpretation, believing that only ''their'' interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, they will [[FanHater not allow anyone to view the character any differently]].



* '''Toxic Missionary''': This one has an idea of TrueArt as a method of education, and not necessarily an entertaining one. The Toxic Missionary may criticize the frothier parts of the show for detracting from the all-important message. Their version of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is that their show ''ought'' to make people feel uncomfortable, at least on first impression; it's a pill they should take along with the mindless entertainment they seem to prefer. Admittedly, many an AuthorTract is trying to produce missionaries to spread its message, but Toxic Missionaries can be seen even in fanbases of shows with no apparent WriterOnBoard. Like the Toxic Visionary, these latter cases are all-too-often guilty of seeing things that aren't there, and are often guilty of over-subscribing to the idea that they should stick it to "The Man." As such, they hate the RuleAbidingRebel with a passion and live in constant terror of their favourite show being perceived as one, fairly or otherwise. Very frequently overlaps with the '''Edgelord'''.

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* '''Toxic Missionary''': This one has an idea of TrueArt as a method of education, and not necessarily an entertaining one. The Toxic Missionary may criticize the frothier parts of the show franchise for detracting from the all-important message. Their version of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is that their show franchise ''ought'' to make people feel uncomfortable, at least on first impression; it's a pill they should take along with the mindless entertainment they seem to prefer. Admittedly, many an AuthorTract is trying to produce missionaries to spread its message, but Toxic Missionaries can be seen even in fanbases of shows franchises with no apparent WriterOnBoard. Like the Toxic Visionary, these latter cases are all-too-often guilty of seeing things that aren't there, and are often guilty of over-subscribing to the idea that they should stick it to "The Man." As such, they hate the RuleAbidingRebel with a passion and live in constant terror of their favourite show franchise being perceived as one, fairly or otherwise. Very frequently overlaps with the '''Edgelord'''.



This fan is someone who is quite a fan of the show ... but only as long as it's cool to be so. This is somewhat the inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks, but it's mostly the inverse of HePannedItNowHeSucks, since many of these fans only like it because a reviewer said something good about it, so clearly, [[ReviewsAreTheGospel it must be good and]] [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow if you disagree with them]], TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong. Overlaps ''heavily'' with PraisingShowsYouDontWatch. In some extreme cases, these fans have no will of their own, relying ''entirely'' on reviewers and sometimes QualityByPopularVote. When the inverse happens and it becomes cool to ''hate'' it instead of like it (see HateDumb), these are the people who turn their backs on the fandom and deny having ever had anything to do with it.

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This fan is someone who is quite a fan of the show ... franchise, but only as long as it's cool to be so. This is somewhat the inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks, but it's mostly the inverse of HePannedItNowHeSucks, since many of these fans only like it because a reviewer said something good about it, so clearly, [[ReviewsAreTheGospel it must be good and]] [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow if you disagree with them]], TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong. Overlaps ''heavily'' with PraisingShowsYouDontWatch. In some extreme cases, these fans have no will of their own, relying ''entirely'' on reviewers and sometimes QualityByPopularVote. When the inverse happens and it becomes cool to ''hate'' it instead of like it (see HateDumb), these are the people who turn their backs on the fandom and deny having ever had anything to do with it.



Sometimes a fan's frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it's coming from a fan and not an "approved" source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if they, or any other fan, doesn't like the product, "it's fine the way it is, and if we don't like it, that's ''our'' problem." Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word "we" in complaining about the fandom.

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Sometimes a fan's frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters creates its own Fan Dumb]]. A Litter-Bearer seems to [[FanHater hate his fellow fans]] to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it's coming from a fan and not an "approved" source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the show franchise is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Misplaced Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if they, or any other fan, doesn't like the product, "it's fine the way it is, and if we don't like it, that's ''our'' problem." Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word "we" in complaining about the fandom.



A fan who appears to have nothing in their heart but loathing towards the show ... and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming their UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who's been burned in the past, they nevertheless keep hanging around purely to complain about how they've been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that they have been burned once too often by the show and will be leaving the fandom, and yet they never actually seem to leave. Despite the fact that they just complain nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show's existence (such as a cancellation threat), theirs will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you've worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but yet comes back again and again. May be their {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, they may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.

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A fan who appears to have nothing in their heart but loathing towards the show ... franchise, and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming their UndyingLoyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who's been burned in the past, they nevertheless keep hanging around purely to complain about how they've been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that they have been burned once too often by the show franchise and will be leaving the fandom, and yet they never actually seem to leave. Despite the fact that they just complain nonstop about it, should anything threaten the show's franchise's existence (such as a cancellation threat), theirs will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you've worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but yet comes back again and again. May be their {{Guilty Pleasure|s}}; in fact, they may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.



''Someone who only sees fans as those within the demographic of the show and thinks that "[[PeripheryDemographic outsiders]]" are not ''allowed'' to like the show.''

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''Someone who only sees fans as those within the demographic of the show franchise and thinks that "[[PeripheryDemographic outsiders]]" are not ''allowed'' to like the show.franchise.''



Although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, this is probably the most classic example of it. The Monomaniac is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate this is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].

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Although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, this is probably the most classic example of it. The Monomaniac is SeriousBusiness taken to the extreme. ''Nothing'' outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate this is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context [[UpToEleven and then some]] ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the show franchise as they are, or who (''gasp'') aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how ''important'' it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why [[StrawFan we have a trope specifically for that]].



''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show and nothing else.''

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''The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose life revolves around the show franchise and nothing else.''



The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of liking the thing after the Oldtimer did. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom, constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the members who leave will die.

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The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the show franchise changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp NostalgiaFilter; the show franchise is [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe never as good as it used to be]], and any criticisms raised of the show franchise at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. LongRunners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of liking the thing after the Oldtimer did. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics) but still manages to attract [[PeripheryDemographic younger fans]]. Essentially, they're the [[GrumpyOldMan grumpy old men]] of the fandom, constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a show franchise (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who [[NoTrueScotsman are not true fans]] and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. Point out to this fan that they and the members of their group are ''old'', and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the members who leave will die.



A fan who has an idealised vision of what the show should be and refuses to let anything or anyone affect or change that vision ... [[FanonDiscontinuity not even the show itself]]. They tend to react to any changes made in the show's format with [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks hostility]] and suspicion. Although often a fan who's been burned one time too many by AdaptationDecay, SeasonalRot, or obvious [[MerchandiseDriven merchandise pandering gone wrong]], some just simply don't like change and respond to it with pram-shaking tantrums. They usually also hate non-canon entries in a work simply for ... well, not being canon.

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A fan who has an idealised vision of what the show franchise should be and refuses to let anything or anyone affect or change that vision ... [[FanonDiscontinuity not even the show franchise itself]]. They tend to react to any changes made in the show's franchise's format with [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks hostility]] and suspicion. Although often a fan who's been burned one time too many by AdaptationDecay, SeasonalRot, or obvious [[MerchandiseDriven merchandise pandering gone wrong]], some just simply don't like change and respond to it with pram-shaking tantrums. They usually also hate non-canon entries in a work simply for ... well, not being canon.



''A fan who has a strict and unchangeable vision of the show and will react badly to any changes outside of this vision.''

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''A fan who has a strict and unchangeable vision of the show franchise and will react badly to any changes outside of this vision.''



''A fan who feels entitled to special treatment and priority because he owns lots of merchandise from the show.''

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''A fan who feels entitled to special treatment and priority because he owns lots of merchandise from the show.franchise.''



This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus their ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any genuine failings or missteps from the subject of the Strawstuffer's ire are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that their target is out to spite them personally. This is the type of person who will yell at a retail clerk for an item being out of stock or not being on sale that week; it's directed at the wrong person, since the clerk has no control over what's on sale or how many items are ordered.

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This fan might express what is a healthy amount of criticism ... but ignores the chain of decay, middle management and [[ExecutiveMeddling all those who contribute to decision-making]] as an explanation to why things go poorly, instead preferring to focus their ire on an easily named and recognized target regardless of what their involvement in this might have actually been. This target then becomes the subject of blame for all of the things that go wrong with the show, franchise, [[MisBlamed whether they can reasonably be blamed for it or not]]. Furthermore, any genuine failings or missteps from the subject of the Strawstuffer's ire are subsequently treated not as human error or the kind of slip-ups that any creator may encounter from time to time, but evidence that their target is out to spite them personally. This is the type of person who will yell at a retail clerk for an item being out of stock or not being on sale that week; it's directed at the wrong person, since the clerk has no control over what's on sale or how many items are ordered.



''A fan who hates someone or something for ruining the show, despite it not being responsible.''

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''A fan who hates someone or something for ruining the show, franchise, despite it not being responsible.''



"Fandom love it or leave it!" Usually a supportive variant, this fan gets a bit too confrontational when it comes to criticism of the object of their fandom. However mild or gentle the criticism. However valid or reasonable the criticism. Regardless, in some cases, of how ''even the WordOfGod'' may agree with the criticism. They feel that anyone who considers their object of affection flawed is nothing more than a {{Troll}} or a misguided fanboy, and needs to be set straight and see the work is perfectly fine. The minute someone doesn't like something in a work or finds something in the work that bugs them, you can bet that the Undesired Champion will show up like lightning and try their hardest to squash these criticisms, simply because (in their mind) the work is just so good that there cannot be any legitimate criticism for it. The number one culprits of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow, tied with the Willfully Blind; a common line of argument is something along the lines of "why don't you go and watch something else if you hate [the show] so much?", even if the critic has made perfectly clear that they ''don't'' hate the show ''at all''. If a new installment in a series involves any sort of change, you can also expect them to respond to ''any'' criticism of the changes (however reasonable) with accusations of closed-mindedness and "just wanting the same thing again and again." Attempt to assert your case, and they'll likely accuse you of being the reason why the series will die.

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"Fandom love it or leave it!" Usually a supportive variant, this fan gets a bit too confrontational when it comes to criticism of the object of their fandom. However mild or gentle the criticism. However valid or reasonable the criticism. Regardless, in some cases, of how ''even the WordOfGod'' may agree with the criticism. They feel that anyone who considers their object of affection flawed is nothing more than a {{Troll}} or a misguided fanboy, and needs to be set straight and see the work is perfectly fine. The minute someone doesn't like something in a work or finds something in the work that bugs them, you can bet that the Undesired Champion will show up like lightning and try their hardest to squash these criticisms, simply because (in their mind) the work is just so good that there cannot be any legitimate criticism for it. The number one culprits of ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow, tied with the Willfully Blind; a common line of argument is something along the lines of "why don't you go and watch something else if you hate [the show] franchise] so much?", even if the critic has made perfectly clear that they ''don't'' hate the show franchise ''at all''. If a new installment in a series involves any sort of change, you can also expect them to respond to ''any'' criticism of the changes (however reasonable) with accusations of closed-mindedness and "just wanting the same thing again and again." Attempt to assert your case, and they'll likely accuse you of being the reason why the series will die.
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