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21st Sep '16 11:55:30 PM jormis29
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* In the LiveActionAdaptation of ''Manga/AttackOnTitan,'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: the setting is a post-apocalyptic future and the Titans were a failed government experiment]]. Needless to say, fans of the anime thought the twist was stupid not only because it was a cliched explanation for how the Titans came to be, but the manga has yet to reveal the origin of the Titans and it was seen as an example of the movie being InNameOnly.

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* In the LiveActionAdaptation of ''Manga/AttackOnTitan,'' ''Film/AttackOnTitan,'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: the setting is a post-apocalyptic future and the Titans were a failed government experiment]]. Needless to say, fans of the anime thought the twist was stupid not only because it was a cliched explanation for how the Titans came to be, but the manga has yet to reveal the origin of the Titans and it was seen as an example of the movie being InNameOnly.



* There are many fans of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' who love both ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', but reject the CanonWelding that states a character from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ends up travelling into space and becoming the inventor of ''VII'''s Mako technology. Some reject it because both games have some of the most unique, detailed and complete worldbuilding in the series, so going with this theory involves attempting to reconcile different [[MagicAIsMagicA magic rules]], afterlife mythologies, historical details, and so on. Some don't like it because it involves a reasonably sympathetic character being responsible for nearly killing a [[GaiasVengeance living planet]]. Some don't like ''X-2'' and think {{Fan Wank}}ing it to ''VII'' is mild CanonDefilement. Some just reject it for being a silly bit of attempted fanservice that no-one actually wanted.

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* There are many fans of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' who love both ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', but reject the CanonWelding that states a character from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2'' ends up travelling into space and becoming the inventor of ''VII'''s Mako technology. Some reject it because both games have some of the most unique, detailed and complete worldbuilding in the series, so going with this theory involves attempting to reconcile different [[MagicAIsMagicA magic rules]], afterlife mythologies, historical details, and so on. Some don't like it because it involves a reasonably sympathetic character being responsible for nearly killing a [[GaiasVengeance living planet]]. Some don't like ''X-2'' and think {{Fan Wank}}ing it to ''VII'' is mild CanonDefilement. Some just reject it for being a silly bit of attempted fanservice that no-one actually wanted.
21st Sep '16 4:21:22 PM pinkdalek
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* There are many fans of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' who love both games but reject the CanonWelding that places ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' in the same universe but on different planets, with the conceit that a character from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ends up travelling into space and becoming the progenitor of ''VII'''s human race. Some reject it because both games have some of the most unique, detailed and complete worldbuilding in the series means going with this theory involves attempting to reconcile different [[MagicAIsMagicA magic rules]], afterlife mythologies and so on - not to mention, it contradicts things we're told about the origins of the human race in ''VII''. Some don't like it because it involves a reasonably sympathetic character being responsible for nearly killing a [[GaiasVengeance living planet]]. Some just reject it for being a silly addition that no-one actually wanted.

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* There are many fans of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' who love both games but reject the CanonWelding that places ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', but reject the same universe but on different planets, with the conceit CanonWelding that states a character from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ends up travelling into space and becoming the progenitor inventor of ''VII'''s human race. Mako technology. Some reject it because both games have some of the most unique, detailed and complete worldbuilding in the series means series, so going with this theory involves attempting to reconcile different [[MagicAIsMagicA magic rules]], afterlife mythologies mythologies, historical details, and so on - not to mention, it contradicts things we're told about the origins of the human race in ''VII''.on. Some don't like it because it involves a reasonably sympathetic character being responsible for nearly killing a [[GaiasVengeance living planet]]. Some don't like ''X-2'' and think {{Fan Wank}}ing it to ''VII'' is mild CanonDefilement. Some just reject it for being a silly addition bit of attempted fanservice that no-one actually wanted.
20th Sep '16 7:43:55 AM pinkdalek
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* There are many fans of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' who love both games but reject the CanonWelding that places ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' in the same universe but on different planets, with the conceit that a character from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ends up travelling into space and becoming the progenitor of ''VII'''s human race. Some reject it because both games have some of the most unique, detailed and complete worldbuilding in the series means going with this theory involves attempting to reconcile different [[MagicAIsMagicA magic rules]], afterlife mythologies and so on - not to mention, it contradicts things we're told about the origins of the human race in ''VII''. Some don't like it because it involves a reasonably sympathetic character being responsible for nearly killing a [[GaiasVengeance living planet]]. Some just reject it for being a silly addition that no-one actually wanted.
4th Sep '16 8:39:08 PM Superfield
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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'': For a lot of fans, TheReveal that [[spoiler:Junko's primary weapon was Mitarai's brainwashing animation techniques]], instead of their own MagnificentBastard and DarkMessiah qualities resulted in a huge BadassDecay for the franchise's villain, whose charisma and capacity to bind people to their will was always believed to be their most impressive quality.

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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'': For a lot of fans, TheReveal that [[spoiler:Junko's primary weapon was Mitarai's brainwashing animation techniques]], instead of their own MagnificentBastard and DarkMessiah qualities resulted in a huge BadassDecay for the franchise's villain, whose charisma and capacity to bind people to their will was always believed to be their most impressive quality. It was also unpopular among those who wanted to see why the lovable ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2'' cast would [[spoiler:fall into despair]], finding the above explanation to be a lazy cop-out that forgoes characterization in favor of a one-size-fits-all plot point that is far less interesting.
3rd Sep '16 8:42:44 PM Arcana4th
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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'': For a lot of fans, TheReveal that [[spoiler:Junko's primary weapon was Mitarai's brainwashing animation techniques]], instead of their own MagnificentBastard and DarkMessiah qualities resulted in a huge BadassDecay for the franchise's villain, whose charisma and capacity to bind people to their will was always believed to be their most impressive quality.
29th Aug '16 11:26:33 AM Vir
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** It is ''very'' heavily implied that Applejack's parents are both deceased, and fans almost universally liked and accepted the idea that [[NiceHat Applejack's hat]] was a TragicKeepsake from one of them to the point that it fell into WordOfDante territory. When Hot Minute [[{{Jossed}} torpedoed that headcanon]] by declaring she won it bobbing for apples at a fair, fans were [[https://derpiboo.ru/435899 quick to fanwank a compromise]]. When that was further jossed by showing she has a [[https://derpiboo.ru/569582 closet full of them]], the bronies proved they were ''that'' dedicated to the TragicKeepsake idea and ''still'' insisted that one of the hats was special or simply chose to [[FanonDiscontinuity ignore the closet scene altogether]]. When [[https://derpiboo.ru/988840 this happened]] in ''Made In Mainhattan'', fans threw the hat a [[https://derpiboo.ru/988186 quick]] [[https://derpiboo.ru/988246 funeral]], and '''still''' embraced the tragic keepsake fanon, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/291791/mare-of-many-hats some less seriously than others]].
** Nightmare Moon's origin was left mysterious for several seasons and thus most fans were under the impression Luna ''intentionally'' became Nightmare Moon. The [=IDW=] comics gave a backstory that Luna was transformed by outside sources however many fans refused to consider it canon until it appeared in the cartoon itself. Eventually we did see Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon and it's heavily implied she didn't transform willfully. Many fans dislike this explanation because they felt it took away a lot what made Nightmare Moon, and subsequently Luna's backstory, interesting. The same episode also reveals Nightmare Moon was defeated before doing anything worse than briefly KO Celestia, which was [[AnticlimaxBoss disappointing for such an anticipated event]] and made [[TheAtoner Luna's guilt over it]] come off as [[{{Wangst}} silly and overblown]] to the point of FridgeLogic unless one takes [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic later comics]] as canon.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] into CanonDiscontinuity. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].

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** It is ''very'' heavily implied that Applejack's parents are both deceased, and fans almost universally liked and accepted the idea that [[NiceHat Applejack's hat]] was a TragicKeepsake from one of them to the point that it fell into WordOfDante territory. When Hot Minute [[{{Jossed}} torpedoed that headcanon]] by declaring she won it bobbing for apples at a fair, fans were [[https://derpiboo.ru/435899 quick to fanwank a compromise]]. When that was further jossed by showing she has a [[https://derpiboo.ru/569582 closet full of them]], the bronies proved they were ''that'' dedicated to the TragicKeepsake idea and ''still'' insisted that one of the hats was special or simply chose to [[FanonDiscontinuity ignore the closet scene altogether]]. When [[https://derpiboo.ru/988840 this happened]] in ''Made "Made In Mainhattan'', Manehattan", fans threw the hat a [[https://derpiboo.ru/988186 quick]] [[https://derpiboo.ru/988246 funeral]], and '''still''' embraced the tragic keepsake TragicKeepsake fanon, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/291791/mare-of-many-hats some less seriously than others]].
** Nightmare Moon's origin was left mysterious for several seasons and thus most fans were under the impression Luna ''intentionally'' became Nightmare Moon. The [=IDW=] comics gave a backstory that Luna was transformed by outside sources however sources. However, many fans refused to consider it canon until it appeared in the cartoon itself. Eventually we did see Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon and it's heavily implied she didn't transform willfully. Many fans dislike this explanation because they felt it took away a lot of what made Nightmare Moon, and subsequently Luna's backstory, interesting. The same episode also reveals Nightmare Moon was defeated before doing anything worse than briefly KO Celestia, which was [[AnticlimaxBoss disappointing for such an anticipated event]] and made [[TheAtoner Luna's guilt over it]] come off as [[{{Wangst}} silly and overblown]] to the point of FridgeLogic unless one takes [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic later comics]] as canon.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] Chasers'']] into CanonDiscontinuity. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] {{retcon}}s a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].
29th Aug '16 11:09:43 AM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] into CanonDiscontinuity. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'' ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] into CanonDiscontinuity. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].
29th Aug '16 11:09:36 AM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' gives us the first explanation into Scar's backstory since the semi-canon ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures''. Like Kopa, the series [[CanonDiscontinuity ignores]] the books. In ''[=TLG=]'' Scar was the previous leader of The Lion Guard whose powers got to his head. After murdering the other members, his powers were taken away by the Great Kings of the Past. Many fans absolutely loathe this explanation to his StartOfDarkness, as the concept of "The Roar Of The Elders" is heavily fantastical compared to [[GenreShift the movies]] and said explanation implies that Mufasa never punished his killing brother.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' gives us the first explanation into Scar's backstory since the semi-canon ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures''. Like Kopa, the series [[CanonDiscontinuity ignores]] the books. In ''[=TLG=]'' Scar was the previous leader of The Lion Guard whose powers got to his head. After murdering the other members, his powers were taken away by the Great Kings of the Past. Many fans absolutely loathe this explanation to his StartOfDarkness, as the concept of "The Roar Of The of the Elders" is heavily fantastical compared to [[GenreShift the movies]] and said explanation implies that Mufasa never punished his killing brother.
14th Aug '16 3:50:16 PM Sunflorazumarill
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] into CanonDiscontinuity]]. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'' has a more unusual example of this when it comes to the identity of the mother of Timmy's two children from the DistantFinale to ''WesternAnimation/ChannelChasers'', Tommy and Tammy. ''Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner'' decided to make it so that their mother is [[spoiler: no one whatsoever]], due to the fact that the live-action movies throw [[spoiler:the ending of ''Channel Chasers''']] into CanonDiscontinuity]].CanonDiscontinuity. This ''infuriated'' fans not just because it [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] a major source of FanficFuel away, but also revealed that Timmy's future has him [[spoiler: never advancing past fifth grade in a bid to remain a child and never lose Cosmo and Wanda, in contrast to the previous ending showing that Timmy eventually becomes a happy and well-adjusted adult whose children have Cosmo and Wanda as godparents instead]]. Not to mention that the third live-action movie [[EmergencyTransformation involves an event]] [[FanonDiscontinuity fans refuse to acknowledge]].
10th Aug '16 8:18:58 AM LondonKdS
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*** The Time Lords were introduced as a CrystalSpiresAndTogas civilisation of SufficientlyAdvancedAliens who were 'cosmic Buddhists', believing in non-intervention except for occasional, inscrutable actions made from a point of omniscience and taken for the greater good (such as their use of both the Third and Fourth Doctors as {{Boxed Crook}}s). Robert Holmes felt this was boring BlackAndWhiteMorality that didn't fit [[WriterOnBoard his own worldview]], and, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Watsonianly]], didn't jive with a few throwaway lines made by the Fourth Doctor (like complaining the Time Lords didn't want to sully their "lily-white hands"), and {{RetCon}}ned them irreparably into a DeadlyDecadentCourt made up of ritual-obsessed old bureaucrats of average intelligence wearing silly hats and backstabbing each other while the poor starve. The fandom at the time was quite outraged, although [[VindicatedByHistory the benefit of hindsight]] has made the decision (and the story) much more appreciated. Notably, neither Creator/RussellTDavies nor Creator/MarkGatiss liked this conception of the Time Lords and [[ArmedWithCanon what we see of them during RTD's tenure is a great deal more godly]].

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*** The Time Lords were introduced as a CrystalSpiresAndTogas civilisation of SufficientlyAdvancedAliens who were 'cosmic Buddhists', believing in non-intervention except for occasional, inscrutable actions made from a point of omniscience and taken for the greater good (such as their use of both the Third and Fourth Doctors as {{Boxed Crook}}s). Robert Holmes felt this was boring BlackAndWhiteMorality that didn't fit [[WriterOnBoard his own worldview]], and, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Watsonianly]], didn't jive with a few throwaway lines made by the Fourth Doctor (like complaining the Time Lords didn't want to sully their "lily-white hands"), and {{RetCon}}ned them irreparably into a DeadlyDecadentCourt made up of ritual-obsessed old bureaucrats of average intelligence wearing silly hats and backstabbing each other while the poor starve. The fandom at the time was quite outraged, although [[VindicatedByHistory the benefit of hindsight]] has made the decision (and the story) much more appreciated. Notably, neither Creator/RussellTDavies nor Creator/MarkGatiss liked this conception of the Time Lords and [[ArmedWithCanon what we see of them during RTD's tenure is a great deal more godly]].godly]], although not particularly sympathetic.
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