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17th Jan '18 1:42:20 PM WildKatGirl
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* The original Little Red Hen story is about a hen who wants to make some bread. She repeatedly asks the other farm animals to help her, but they all refuse. The hen then makes the bread herself, and the other animals all volunteer to eat it, but the hen refuses to give them any. This leads to the aesop that you don't get anything out of a project unless you put some effort in. However, some versions of the story change the ending, so the animals apologise for not helping and the hen then shares her bread with all of them. This is meant to convey an aesop about forgiveness, but it comes off more as 'don't do any work yourself because a hard-working person will give you whatever you want'

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* The original Little Red Hen story is about a hen who wants to make some bread. She repeatedly asks the other farm animals to help her, but they all refuse. The hen then makes the bread herself, and the other animals all volunteer to eat it, but the hen refuses to give them any. This leads to the aesop that you don't get anything out of a project unless you put some effort in. However, some versions of the story change the ending, so the animals apologise for not helping and the hen then shares her bread with all of them. This is meant to convey an aesop about forgiveness, but it comes off more as 'don't do any work yourself because a hard-working person will give you whatever you want'want'.
17th Jan '18 1:42:09 PM WildKatGirl
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* The original Little Red Hen story is about a hen who wants to make some bread. She repeatedly asks the other farm animals to help her, but they all refuse. The hen then makes the bread herself, and the other animals all volunteer to eat it, but the hen refuses to give them any. This leads to the aesop that you don't get anything out of a project unless you put some effort in. However, some versions of the story change the ending, so the animals apologise for not helping and the hen then shares her bread with all of them. This is meant to convey an aesop about forgiveness, but it comes off more as 'don't do any work yourself because a hard-working person will give you whatever you want'
16th Jan '18 5:16:22 PM t209
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* The message of ''Film/Idiocracy'' on the future of entire society becoming morons became less of a social commentary and more mean-spirited once it blames poor people for their own misfortunes and low IQ on their lack of intellect rather than the constraints and failures of society, which also include lack of access to education which sadly further [[ViciousCycle perpetuate the cycle along with the said notion]].

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* The message of ''Film/Idiocracy'' ''Film/{{Idiocracy}}'' on the future of entire society becoming morons became less of a social commentary and more mean-spirited once it blames poor people for their own misfortunes and low IQ on their lack of intellect rather than the constraints and failures of society, which also include lack of access to education which sadly further [[ViciousCycle perpetuate the cycle along with the said notion]].
16th Jan '18 5:14:30 PM t209
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* The message of ''Film/Idiocracy'' on the future of entire society becoming morons became less of a social commentary and more mean-spirited once it blames poor people for their own misfortunes and low IQ on their lack of intellect rather than the constraints and failures of society, which also include lack of access to education which sadly further [[ViciousCycle perpetuate the cycle along with the said notion]].
15th Jan '18 9:31:08 AM JJHIL325
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* ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'': Sometimes, divorce actually ''is'' the best option for a struggling couple, especially if children are involved, and most couples who get divorced ''don't'' get back together. Also, people who are way too different together cannot function as a romantic couple.

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* ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'': Sometimes, divorce actually ''is'' the best option for a struggling couple, especially if children are involved, and most couples who get divorced ''don't'' get back together. Also, people who are way too different together from one another cannot function together as a romantic couple.couple, especially in the long run.
10th Jan '18 12:44:45 AM jormis29
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* The musical ''Carousel'' and the play ''Liliom'' on which it is based contains one of these, personified in the immortal line: [[LoveMartyr "It's possible for a man to hit you, hit you real hard, and have it feel like a kiss."]] Music/AmandaPalmer did a cover of the song "What's the Use of Wondrin" as a creepy domestic abuse ballad...and didn't have to change a word.

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* The musical ''Carousel'' ''Theatre/{{Carousel}}'' and the play ''Liliom'' ''Film/{{Liliom}}'' on which it is based contains one of these, personified in the immortal line: [[LoveMartyr "It's possible for a man to hit you, hit you real hard, and have it feel like a kiss."]] Music/AmandaPalmer did a cover of the song "What's the Use of Wondrin" as a creepy domestic abuse ballad...and didn't have to change a word.
1st Jan '18 4:30:57 PM JJHIL325
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* ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'': Sometimes, divorce actually ''is'' the best option for a struggling couple, especially if children are involved, and most couples who get divorced ''don't'' get back together. Also, people who are way too different together cannot function as a romantic couple.
25th Dec '17 4:55:47 AM jormis29
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* One of the ''Franchise/MassEffect: Foundation'' comics, had Kaidan's father offer the advice that even the right decision has terrible consequences.

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* One of the ''Franchise/MassEffect: Foundation'' ''ComicBook/MassEffectFoundation'' comics, had Kaidan's father offer the advice that even the right decision has terrible consequences.
24th Dec '17 8:14:11 PM Angeldeb82
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* Jack Bradley's drama ''Marital AIDS'': Judi works as an adviser on the cases of HIV infected employees dealing with prejudice. One case of hers turns out to be [[ManlyGay Brian]], long time friend of her husband Ryk. Hell breaks loose in their marriage when it turns out that [[BiTheWay Ryk]] had (and still has) a long-term romance with Brian, so Ryk himself and even Judi is threatened with HIV infection. Judi storms out of their home, but a while later we can see them back together, [[{{Bookends}} feeding ducks in the park]]. Ryk never shows repentance for his cheating, and argues that Judi should embrace that as part of the personality she fell in love with, while explaining that he, as a bisexual, feels the need for a male friendship '''and''' her to be fulfilled, and Judi accepts all of these [[EsotericHappyEnding in the end]]. The play therefore has the Aesop that we should condone our partners cheating on us because it's part of [[IntolerableTolerance accepting our beloved as they are]], with an underlying message that bisexuals are polyamorous by their very nature and cannot stay in a committed monogamous relationship (not to mention that it's acceptable to expose your partners to potentially deadly infections, and in general, keeping the partner in the dark about aspects greatly concerning their life, and thus trapping them into a deal with terms they couldn't consent).



* Parodied in Creator/TeamStarKid's ''[[Theatre/TwistedTheUntoldStoryOfARoyalVizier Twisted]]''. The opening number "Dream A Little Harder" pokes fun at the family unfriendly morals offered up by some Disney animated fairy-tales: "If you're [[BeautyEqualsGoodness good and you're attractive]], / No need to be proactive: / Good things will just [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} happen]] [[Disney/SleepingBeauty to]] [[Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs you]]!", and "If you're sure of your intention, / Some [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} magic]] [[{{Disney/Aladdin}} intervention]] / Will give you the edge that you need!"

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* Parodied in Creator/TeamStarKid's ''[[Theatre/TwistedTheUntoldStoryOfARoyalVizier Twisted]]''.''Theatre/{{Twisted|TheUntoldStoryOfARoyalVizier}}''. The opening number "Dream A Little Harder" pokes fun at the family unfriendly morals offered up by some Disney animated fairy-tales: "If you're [[BeautyEqualsGoodness good and you're attractive]], / No need to be proactive: / Good things will just [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} happen]] [[Disney/SleepingBeauty to]] [[Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs you]]!", and "If you're sure of your intention, / Some [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} magic]] [[{{Disney/Aladdin}} intervention]] / Will give you the edge that you need!"



* Galloway's arc in ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' focuses on the issues between two teachers: Galloway is friendly and well-liked, but an alcoholic, and Hattrick is a JerkAss who abuses everyone around him and actively exploits students, but calls Galloway on drinking during school. The students, however, don't mind at all (and are shown not to follow his example), because Galloway is a decent guy whose belligerent co-worker makes his life [[INeedAFreakingDrink difficult]], and Jimmy ends up helping him get into recovery because he needs help, not because he needs to be punished. And all this is on top of the [[AdultsAreUseless actual authority figures doing nothing to solve the real problems]] because they think it builds character. Overall, the message is that some adults are too corrupt or too ignorant to understand what is and isn't HarmfulToMinors, and bullying isn't just a childhood problem.

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* Galloway's arc in ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' focuses on the issues between two teachers: Galloway is friendly and well-liked, but an alcoholic, and Hattrick is a JerkAss {{Jerkass}} who abuses everyone around him and actively exploits students, but calls Galloway on drinking during school. The students, however, don't mind at all (and are shown not to follow his example), because Galloway is a decent guy whose belligerent co-worker makes his life [[INeedAFreakingDrink difficult]], and Jimmy ends up helping him get into recovery because he needs help, not because he needs to be punished. And all this is on top of the [[AdultsAreUseless actual authority figures doing nothing to solve the real problems]] because they think it builds character. Overall, the message is that some adults are too corrupt or too ignorant to understand what is and isn't HarmfulToMinors, and bullying isn't just a childhood problem.


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* The message of ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}'' seems to be this at the end of the game: [[spoiler:you welch on a deal, beat your [[{{Satan}} creditor]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu into submission]], and then set all his debtors, who all tried to kill you, free. And everyone loves you.]]
24th Dec '17 8:08:34 PM Angeldeb82
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* Two [=PSAs=] for the Montana Meth Project has a voice over of two teenagers wishing that something had stopped them from going to their respective parties, trying meth for the first time and ruining their lives by becoming users, which, in theory, would have been great. The only problem there is that they wish that they had ''suffered horrific injuries'' instead (implied to become a paraplegic/quadriplegic and having a serious brain injury.) While obviously being addicted to drugs is not a desirable lifestyle for anyone, wishing to be injured shouldn't be considered a more acceptable (or as hinted at in the commercial, glamourized) fate, particularly if they could have just said no or at least have a less tragic fate happen instead. Furthermore, you must wonder how anyone who ''is'' suffering from such terrible injuries would react upon coming across these commercials...

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* Two [=PSAs=] for the Montana Meth Project has a voice over of two teenagers wishing that something had stopped them from going to their respective parties, trying meth for the first time and ruining their lives by becoming users, which, in theory, would have been great. The only problem there is that they wish that they had ''suffered horrific injuries'' instead (implied to become a paraplegic/quadriplegic and having a serious brain injury.) injury). While obviously being addicted to drugs is not a desirable lifestyle for anyone, wishing to be injured shouldn't be considered a more acceptable (or as hinted at in the commercial, glamourized) fate, particularly if they could have just said no or at least have a less tragic fate happen instead. Furthermore, you must wonder how anyone who ''is'' suffering from such terrible injuries would react upon coming across these commercials...



* Music/HarryChapin's song ''Mr. Tanner'' is about a man who runs a dry cleaner and loves to sing, and is an amateur performer in his spare time. His friends convince him to try to become a professional singer, so he throws all his money into a concert performance that... bombs. Critics are terse and dismissive with him, suggesting he'd be better off keeping his day job. Mr. Tanner returns to his home and his job and stops performing publicly. The moral here is "Sometimes chasing your dream fails". If you want to be more blunt, you could phrase it "Loving to do something doesn't make you ''good'' at it.

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* Music/HarryChapin's song ''Mr. Tanner'' is about a man who runs a dry cleaner and loves to sing, and is an amateur performer in his spare time. His friends convince him to try to become a professional singer, so he throws all his money into a concert performance that... bombs. Critics are terse and dismissive with him, suggesting he'd be better off keeping his day job. Mr. Tanner returns to his home and his job and stops performing publicly. The moral here is "Sometimes chasing your dream fails". If you want to be more blunt, you could phrase it "Loving to do something doesn't make you ''good'' at it."



** "Before He Cheats", meanwhile, has a woman trashing her soon-to-be-ex-boyfriend's truck because he's "probably" cheating on her. Even assuming she's right, at no point does she provide evidence to support her claim, just could-bes and what-ifs. The message here is "If you think your man is cheating on you, don't try to work things out; Immediately destroy his property". Incidentally, there's also the ''other'' message of [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale "It's perfectly justified for a woman to commit violent acts against a man because he probably deserves it for some reason"]].

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** "Before He Cheats", meanwhile, has a woman trashing her soon-to-be-ex-boyfriend's truck because he's "probably" cheating on her. Even assuming she's right, at no point does she provide evidence to support her claim, just could-bes and what-ifs. The message here is "If you think your man is cheating on you, don't try to work things out; Immediately immediately destroy his property". Incidentally, there's also the ''other'' message of [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale "It's perfectly justified for a woman to commit violent acts against a man because he probably deserves it for some reason"]].



* Nelly's "Ride Wit Me" starts off with the classic rap Aesop "Materialism is good" (''"Oh why must I feel this good ... Hey, must be the money!"''). Luckily though it sorts itself out and ends up with the rather more palatable, if still questionable, message "Materialism is perfectly fine, as long as you worked for your money" (''"It feel strange now, makin' a livin' off my brain instead of 'caine now"'')

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* Nelly's "Ride Wit Me" starts off with the classic rap Aesop "Materialism is good" (''"Oh why must I feel this good ... Hey, must be the money!"''). Luckily though it sorts itself out and ends up with the rather more palatable, if still questionable, message "Materialism is perfectly fine, as long as you worked for your money" (''"It feel strange now, makin' a livin' off my brain instead of 'caine now"'')now"'').



* "Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer" [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ThKV_G4VxI seems to be saying]] that freaks will only be accepted if someone in authority finds that their difference can be ''exploited'' to the authority's benefit. The song glosses over bullying, suggests that society is very shallow and opportunistic and that [[AdultsAreUseless perhaps even Santa is indifferent to your suffering.]]

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* "Rudolf "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ThKV_G4VxI seems to be saying]] that freaks will only be accepted if someone in authority finds that their difference can be ''exploited'' to the authority's benefit. The song glosses over bullying, suggests that society is very shallow and opportunistic and that [[AdultsAreUseless perhaps even Santa is indifferent to your suffering.]] suffering]].



* Jack Bradley's drama ''Marital AIDS'': Judi works as an adviser on the cases of HIV infected employees dealing with prejudice. One case of hers turns out to be [[ManlyGay Brian]], long time friend of her husband Ryk. Hell breaks loose in their marriage when it turns out that [[BiTheWay Ryk]] had (and still has) a long-term romance with Brian, so Ryk himself and even Judi is threatened with HIV infection. Judi storms out of their home, but a while later we can see them back together, [[BookEnds feeding ducks in the park]]. Ryk never shows repentance for his cheating, and argues that Judi should embrace that as part of the personality she fell in love with, while explaining that he, as a bisexual, feels the need for a male friendship '''and''' her to be fulfilled, and Judi accepts all of these [[EsotericHappyEnding in the end]]. The play therefore has the Aesop that we should condone our partners cheating on us because it's part of [[IntolerableTolerance accepting our beloved as they are]], with an underlying message that bisexuals are polyamorous by their very nature and cannot stay in a committed monogamous relationship (not to mention that it's acceptable to expose your partners to potentially deadly infections, and in general, keeping the partner in the dark about aspects greatly concerning their life, and thus trapping them into a deal with terms they couldn't consent).
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