History Main / FalseDichotomy

25th Mar '17 11:42:15 AM Premonition45
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** "America - Love It Or Leave It" is a popular false dilemma in the USA, though it's not exactly unique to them. The dilemma suggests that a true patriot must embrace everything ever done by America, or [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red-baiting become]] [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Terrorism-baiting un-American]]. However, since America as a nation was founded on the concept of respectful political dissent, one must doubt the premise of this false dilemma very seriously.
*** To say nothing of that this fallacy can easily be turned back on those who use it, ''i.e.'' declaring that nobody who truly loves America would allow it not to fix its current problems, thus implying that those who use the fallacy [[NoTrueScotsman don't really love America]] (in a mature way) by thinking it's perfect and can do no wrong, that is, enabling it.

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** * "America - Love It Or Leave It" is a popular false dilemma in the USA, though it's not exactly unique to them. The dilemma suggests that a true patriot must embrace everything ever done by America, or [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red-baiting become]] [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Terrorism-baiting un-American]]. However, since America as a nation was founded on the concept of respectful political dissent, one must doubt the premise of this false dilemma very seriously.
*** ** To say nothing of that this fallacy can easily be turned back on those who use it, ''i.e.'' declaring that nobody who truly loves America would allow it not to fix its current problems, thus implying that those who use the fallacy [[NoTrueScotsman don't really love America]] (in a mature way) by thinking it's perfect and can do no wrong, that is, enabling it.
19th Feb '17 11:10:08 PM garthvader
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** The simplest form of this is to make the choices "A" or "Not A". In this case, "Not A" encompasses ''everything'' that isn't "A", even if that category is massive. For example, "You're either a Conservative, or not a Conservative," does include all possibilities, even though "Not a Conservative" includes liberals, libertarians, anarchists, or any other political philosophy that isn't simply conservatism by another name.
* The act of presenting two options ''makes there become'' just two options. Normally "WithUsOrAgainstUs" is a false dichotomy, but a leader can declare that all non-allies are their enemies. Such a declaration is performative[[note]]''i.e.'', if I declare you my enemy, you are my enemy[[/note]] so it's not fallacious and thus ''isn't'' a false dichotomy, even if the reasoning that leads someone to say it is. It's rarely a good idea under most circumstances, however.

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** The simplest form of this is to make the choices "A" or "Not A". In this case, "Not A" encompasses ''everything'' that isn't "A", even if that category is massive. For example, "You're either a Conservative, or not a Conservative," does include all possibilities, even though "Not a Conservative" includes liberals, libertarians, anarchists, or any other political philosophy that isn't simply conservatism by another name.
name. More simply, if a cafeteria only serves tea or coffee and you ask for a drink, "tea or coffee?" is not presenting a false dilemma.
* The act of presenting two options ''makes there become'' just two options. Normally "WithUsOrAgainstUs" is For example, if asked to call heads or tails on a false dichotomy, but a leader coin, it can declare that all non-allies be assumed any other states the coin might land in are their enemies. Such a declaration is performative[[note]]''i.e.'', if I declare you my enemy, you are my enemy[[/note]] so it's not fallacious and thus ''isn't'' a false dichotomy, even if the reasoning that leads someone going to say it is. It's rarely a good idea under most circumstances, however.be discarded.



* "Entertainment" vs. "Art".
* While on art, [[MoneyDearBoy "Professionalism"]] or [[DoingItForTheArt "Artistry"]] (the fallacy that you're either "StarvingArtist or SellOut").
* "Education" vs "Entertainment"
* Offense vs Defense
* Precision vs Power
* Wisdom vs Inexperience
* [[MadonnaWhoreComplex Sexual 'Purity']] vs [[SlutShaming Deviant/Unnatural Sexuality]]
* Love vs Lust
* [[BelligerentSexualTension Love vs Hate]]
* Selfishness vs Altruism
* Universalism vs Relativism
* Good vs Evil, as some [[WhatIsEvil philosophers]] [[AboveGoodAndEvil may argue]].
* Nature vs Nurture, as most scientists claim.
* [[SocialDarwinism Jingoism vs Extinction]]
* Liberalism vs Socialism
* Socialism vs Nationalism
* National vs Foreign(-National)
* Fact vs Opinion
* Nationalist vs National Traitor



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy Capitalism vs Socialism]]
* Zionism vs Antisemitism
* Mundane vs Divine
* [[PositiveDiscrimination Affirmative Action]] vs Racism
* [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] vs [[HeManWomanHater Misogyny]]
* Femininity vs Masculinity
* [[HeManWomanHater Misogyny]] vs [[DoesNotLikeMen Misandry]]
* [[RealWomenDontWearDresses Femininity vs Toughness]]
* [[ManlyGay Masculinity vs Homosexuality]]
* [[AgentPeacock Masculinity vs Beauty]]



* [[NoBisexuals Homosexuality vs Heterosexuality]]



* Globalization vs Xenophobia
* [[ComedyGhetto Drama vs Comedy]], ignoring that a story could [[FirstLawOfTragicomedies combine]] [[ComedyDrama both]].
* "All men masturbate, or else they're lying."
* {{Doublespeak}} in general.
** Dedication vs [[TheOnlyRighteousIndexOfFanatics Fanaticism]]
** Confidence vs Arrogance
** Visionary vs Unrealistic



** Education vs Brainwashing
** [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters Freedom fighting vs Terrorism]]
* Hard work vs Natural talent
* Depth vs Complexity
* [[IntolerableTolerance Tolerance vs Intolerance]]
* Call it, HeadsOrTails? *flips coin* Whups, [[HeadsTailsEdge looks like it landed on the edge]].



* Left wing politics vs. right wing politics.
* "The world is better off without some people" vs. "Killing is always wrong."



* Dog lovers vs cat lovers. No reason not to love both.
** What about those who can't stand either, but love fish? Or herpetophiles? Or those who hate ALL animals?



* CGI vs. practical effects.



* [[GeniusBruiser Athleticism ]] vs [[BadassBookworm Intellectualism]].
7th Feb '17 6:07:46 PM garthvader
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7th Feb '17 4:50:02 PM garthvader
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A false dichotomy,[[note]]("Die-cot-uh-me/Dai-cot-ah-mi")[[/note]] also known as either/or reasoning or false dilemma, is when just two options are presented for something when there are actually (many) others. Moreover, the two options presented are rigged to favour one answer. There are two ways of doing this:

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A false dichotomy,[[note]]("Die-cot-uh-me/Dai-cot-ah-mi")[[/note]] also known as either/or reasoning reasoning, the black/white fallacy or false dilemma, is when just two options are presented for something when there are actually (many) others. Moreover, the two options presented are rigged to favour one answer. There are two ways of doing this:
7th Feb '17 4:49:22 PM garthvader
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'': Two for one, one called out, the other unintentional.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'': Two for one, but only one called out, the other unintentional.out:



** A lot of people then pointed out that Obi-Wan's above statement... is ''itself'' very absolute. The usually level-headed Obi-Wan is inexplicably claiming that anyone who deals with an absolute view on anything ''must'' be a Sith. Besides being idiotic, it also is ironic when you consider that ''everything the Jedi Order does is absolute''. The rules against marriage, attachment, etc. are all iron-clad, one-size-fits-all rules, that one can be expelled from the Order for not toeing the line on (though they don't claim that being kicked out of the Order would make someone automatically their enemy and, in Episode II, they still hold great respect for Dooku as a ''former'' Jedi until he reveals he's become a Sith). Still, in essence, he's calling ''himself'' a Sith. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Wasn't that]] [[NotSoDifferent the point?]]
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** A lot of people then pointed out that Obi-Wan's above statement... own answer is ''itself'' very absolute. The usually level-headed Obi-Wan also this fallacy, because his argument is inexplicably claiming that anyone who deals "either you do not deal in absolutes and are not a Sith (choice A) or you do and therefore are a Sith (choice B)" with no possibility of a middle ground. Since Obi-Wan's reply is an absolute view on anything ''must'' be a Sith. Besides being idiotic, it also is ironic when you consider that ''everything the Jedi Order does is absolute''. The rules against marriage, attachment, etc. are all iron-clad, one-size-fits-all rules, that one can be expelled from the Order for not toeing the line on (though they don't claim that being kicked out of the Order statement (it lacks any qualifiers), his logic would make someone automatically their enemy and, in Episode II, they still hold great respect for Dooku as a ''former'' Jedi until mean he reveals he's become a Sith). Still, in essence, he's calling is also declaring ''himself'' to be a Sith. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Wasn't that]] [[NotSoDifferent the point?]]
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Sith: this hypocrisy may or may not be intentional.
7th Feb '17 4:42:00 PM garthvader
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* TheEnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriend

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* TheEnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriendTheEnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriend: This invokes the false dilemma that you and your "friend" must be on the same side, simply because you are not on the ''other'' side.
7th Feb '17 4:37:02 PM garthvader
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* There really are only two options, even though there's a third (semi-)option that comes from combining (bits of) the other two. This is usually due to a linguistic quirk of English whereby both the Inclusive Or (A or B or both) and Exclusive Or (A or B but never both, often abbreviated xor) are both just 'or'. E.g. the statement "Everyone reading this page is brown-skinned or a Troper" is true for an Inclusive Or, but not for an Exclusive Or. Naturally, most statements like that are misleading in general speech. See the trope MathematiciansAnswer.

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* There really are only two options, even though there's a third (semi-)option that comes from combining (bits of) the other two. This is usually due to a linguistic quirk of English whereby both the Inclusive Or (A or B or both) and Exclusive Or (A or B but never both, often abbreviated xor) are both just 'or'. E.g. the statement "Everyone reading this page is brown-skinned alive or a Troper" human" is true for an Inclusive Or, but not for an Exclusive Or. Naturally, most statements like that are misleading in general speech. See the trope MathematiciansAnswer.
7th Feb '17 4:29:03 PM garthvader
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* TheEnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriend
13th Oct '16 10:41:26 AM Morgenthaler
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* Layla from ''Film/SkyHigh'', asked to demonstrate her powers, claims that the hero/sidekick dichotomy is a false one, but is cut off by Boomer declaring her a sidekick.

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* Layla from ''Film/SkyHigh'', ''Film/SkyHigh2005'', asked to demonstrate her powers, claims that the hero/sidekick dichotomy is a false one, but is cut off by Boomer declaring her a sidekick.
5th Oct '16 8:38:29 AM AgentSkyblueM7
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--> '''Cotton''': No he ain't! ([[Beat inspects Khan]]) He's Laotian, ain't you, Mr. Khan?

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--> '''Cotton''': No he ain't! ([[Beat ([[{{Beat}} inspects Khan]]) He's Laotian, ain't Laotian. Ain't you, Mr. Khan?
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