* The three OriginalGeneration HumongousMecha of ''SuperRobotWarsJudgment'' are supposed to be balanced, with {{Real Robot}}s "Bellzelute" as a light, dodgy sniper and "Coustwell" the somewhat heavier, melee counterpart. "Granteed", the SuperRobot, is supposed to be the tanker with balanced weapons on both ends. However, thanks to the AI's tendency to attack units with lower evasion rates, the Granteed and its overwhelming armor rating makes it better than the other two. As a bonus, because it is an L-sized unit, attack and defense bonuses are increased, with weapons so powerful its second strongest is greater than the final attack of the other originals, not to mention good weapon reach that makes it the best sniper, tanker, and melee attacker out of all three.
** The ''actual'' balance comes in with how the protagonist receives a different set of "Spirit Commands", depending on whether they're piloting the Granteed or not. On a first playthrough, if the male pilot uses the Granteed, he receives the "Accelerate" Spirit Command, which doesn't quite compensate for the unit's base movement of five. When it finally arrives on the frontlines (or within range of it), it's the best of the three and solidifies its position as the top-tier super, but not before.

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* ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' took a fairly simple approach to balance. In general, most characters can fit into one of three groups: [[FragileSpeedster Fast, but light and weak]]; [[MightyGlacier strong and heavy, but slow]]; and [[JackOfAllStats "balanced" characters who are somewhere in between]]. This sounds good in theory -slower characters don't have to hit as much to KO you, and are more resistant to being KO'd themselves- the problem is that fast characters generally have a much higher combo ability, which makes fighting one more difficult, especially if you're using a slow character who has trouble getting hits in between their opponent's fast attacks. The heavyweights have effective [[HerdhittingAttack Herd Hitting Attacks]] that can be unleashed while other players are distracted with each other, but this is no help in 1v1 matches, which are the standard for competitive play. This has ultimately led to complex CharacterTiers appearing (despite [[MemeticMutation claims that "tires don exits"]]) and the MetaGame being stormed by fast characters like Fox and Falco, though with a few exceptions such as Jigglypuff and Peach.

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** Another issue with those two typings are the fact that they have ridiculously well spread moves on both offensive side. EVERY Dragon type can learn Outrage, Dragon Pulse, and Draco Meteor, and Kingdra is the only fully evolved Dragon type that can't learn Dragon Claw. As for Water types, Hydro Pump is extremely common, and Surf, Waterfall and Aqua Tail are spread amongst every Water Type in existence. While other types have more powerful and specialized moves on one side of the Offense, no other types have the combined balance of typing coverage and movepool that these two has, so much that there's only one Dragon type that is not OU on Website/{{Smogon}} Tier List for Gen IV one which is considered as really underpowered stats-wise, and Water has the most number of OU pokemon and even the non OU are perfectly usable in OU. Even in Ubers, Dragon is considered the most Dangerous offensive typing of the tier while the so called "[[FanNickname King Of Ubers]]" is a Water Type.
** Generation 5 has one with the weathers. Sun, Sandstorm and Rain is supposed to balance each other and the metagame is supposed to be who defend their summoner and win the game. It worked well, until players realized that Water are such an amazing and well rounded offensive typing that is far easier to Spam than Fire, Grass, Steel, Rock and Ground. As a bonus, Swift Swim pokemon has boosted speed and Same Type Attack Bonus. Chlorophyll pokemon only got boosted speed, No Charge Solarbeam, which is risky in a case of Weather switcher switch ins, and fire type moves boost that Grass types lacks, while Sand Rush and Sand Force abuser need their weather one to get Doubled speed or 30 % attack boost(Rain gives 50 % to water without a need of ability) but not both at once. Rain is the only one that boost both speed and offensive powers.
** Another issue comes from the summoner itself. Sand has two summoner both of which are OU in gen 4, and Hippowdon is an amazing Tank while the other summoner is Tyranitar who is an OU veteran that is considered as a really influential pokemon ever since its introduction. The other two summoner are a former NU pokemon. However Politoed is a relatively bulky Water type that gets Offensive boost with Rain and relatively good movepool. Ninetales is a One Trick pony both statswise and movepool wise, ridiculously frail by the weather summoner's standard and is weak to Stealth Rock AND vulnerable to spikes, for a pokemon that's supposed to switch repeatedly. Hence the Weather metagame at the time become Rain dominating with its "Broken Trio"(a collective term for Kingdra, Kabutops and Ludicolo which is the most used Rain Sweeper) and a bunch of other Rain abusers, Sand behind it with Excadrill, Landorus and sometime Terrakion, and Sun relatively obscure with Venusaur, Volcarona, and Heatran as their ussual core.

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** Another issue with those two typings are the fact that they have ridiculously well spread moves on both offensive side. EVERY Dragon type can learn Outrage, Dragon Pulse, and Draco Meteor, and Kingdra is the only fully evolved Dragon type that can't learn Dragon Claw. As for Water types, Hydro Pump is extremely common, and Surf, Waterfall and Aqua Tail are spread amongst every Water Type in existence. While other types have more powerful and specialized moves on one side of the Offense, no other types have the combined balance of typing coverage and movepool that these two has, so much that there's only one Dragon type that is not OU on Website/{{Smogon}} Tier List for Gen IV, one which is considered as really underpowered stats-wise, and Water has the most number of OU Pokemon and even those not considered OU are perfectly usable in that tier. Even in Ubers, Dragon is considered the most dangerous offensive typing of the tier while the so called "[[FanNickname King Of Ubers]]" is... Kyogre, a Water-type.
** Generation V has one with the weathers. Sun, Sandstorm and Rain. They are supposed to balance each other (Sun weakens Water/boosts Fire, Rain weakens Fire/boosts Water, Sandstorm hurts everybody not Steel, Ground, or Rock-type and boosts the Special Defense of said types) and the metagame is supposed to be who can defend their summoner (Groudon/Ninetales, Tyranitar/Hippowdon, and Kyogre/Politoed) and win the game. It worked well, until players realized that Water is such an amazing and well rounded offensive typing that is far easier to spam than Fire, Grass, Steel, Rock and Ground. As a bonus, Swift Swim Pokemon have boosted speed ''and'' turbocharged Same-Type Attack Bonus. Chlorophyll Pokemon only got boosted speed, an instant-use Solarbeam, which is risky in a case of Weather-summoning switch-ins, and Fire type moves get the boost that Grass-types lack. With Sand Rush, Sand Veil, and Sand Force, they only get to choose from Doubled speed, 30% attack boost to Ground/Steel/Rock, or boosted evasion (Rain gives 50% powerboost to Water ''without'' a need of ability) but not both at once. Rain is the only one that boosts both speed and offensive powers. You can see how well the "weather wars" worked out.
*** Another issue comes from the summoner itself. Both Sandstorm summoners are also considered OU, especially Hippowdon (powerful tank) and Tyranitar (an OU standard). The other two non-legendary summoners are former NU pokemon. While Ninetales is a one-trick pony both statswise and movepool wise, ridiculously frail by the weather summoner's standard and is weak to Stealth Rock AND vulnerable to Spikes, for a pokemon that's supposed to switch repeatedly, Politoed gets by with the typical good movepool of Water-types as well as decent defenses. Hence the Weather metagame at the time become Rain dominating with its so-called "Broken Trio" (a collective term for Kingdra, Kabutops and Ludicolo) and a bunch of other Rain abusers, Sand behind it with Excadrill, Landorus and sometime Terrakion, and Sun relatively obscure with Venusaur, Volcarona, and Heatran as their usual core. Hail, on the other hand, is practically non-existient, as the only Pokemon who can make the best of it are Ice-types, which are very seldom used. Their only summoner, Abomasnow, has far too many weaknesses and doesn't have the defenses or offenses to stand a chance in the advanced Pokemon metagame.

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** The whole type chart in the first Pokemon trilogy suffered from fake balance. The designers greatly underrated the Psychic type; not only were both its countertypes broken (Bug and Ghost had no strong moves, and a programming error made Psychics ''immune'' to Ghost instead of the opposite), but it was strong against Poison, a type the designers had spread around the Pokeworld like it was going out of style. The apparent balance between "physical" and "special" types was an illusion; physical Attack and Defense were separate stats, but the Special stat governed both offense and defense, making strong Specialists automatically tanks. (Needless to say, Psychic is one of the special types.) Meanwhile, the Dragon type basically failed to ''exist'' offensively -- its only move was Dragon Rage, which always does 40 damage. The second generation addressed these flaws, and each succeeding generation has fine-tuned the system further.
** Note that there is a slight balance in Special and Physical in the first generation. Special still did not give you protection against Physical. And Physical side happen to have Normal Type, which in first generation is a typing that has 1 resistor, 1 immunity, and nothing is weak to it. Defensively, it is immune to the underdeveloped Ghost Type, and weak to Fighting Type. The catch is, in gen 1, the resistor is weak to ever common Water, those that are immune are extremely fragile and weak to ever common Ground, and fighting types are weakened by both Psychic types and the fact that good fighting type moves are ridiculously rare and has terrible distribution. In return, normal has the Auto Critical Slash, the extremely powerful "No Recharge" Hyper Beam, and Body Slam, which Paralysis chance, power, and wide distribution make it an extremely game changing move. There is a reason why many gen 1 competitive analysis for Normal type in smogon goes around "This thing is good but is not Tauros" or "This thing is really good, but has no Water moves". Like Psychic type above, Normal types are severely nerfed in second gen onwards. 
*** However, there is still the consistent problem caused by an unbalance in what moves outside your type most Pokemon can use. Just taking the core "grass->water->fire->grass" triangle, it is unbalanced by the fact that nearly ''every'' water Pokemon can learn Ice Beam, Ice Punch, and/or Avalanche (which are super effective against Grass) while few Grass types can learn moves effective against Fire types and few Fire types can learn moves effective against Water-types (this was somewhat fixed by letting many of them learn Solarbeam and/or Energy Ball). In fact, Ice types are supposed to be {{Glass Cannon}}s, as they have many weaknesses and are only resistant to themselves, while Ice attacks are SuperEffective against many types, but the abundance of non-Ice types which learn Ice-type moves simply leads to Ice-types being horribly underused and Ice-type moves being practically omnipresent.
** Two typing stands out the most in pokemon other than Gen 1 Psychic and Normal which was Gen 4 Dragon and Water. Dragon only has two weakness, ice and itself, however it has ridiculously strong moves(something that it lacked in previous gens) that are only resisted by Steel types. Water has two weakness, Grass and Electric, both of which are easily covered by 2 relatively widespread moves and offensively is super effective against Fire, Ground, and Rock while only resisted by Water, and Grass. The issue comes from the fact that Dragon is only resisted by Steel, coupled with its absurdly and easily covered powerful moves, and Water is such a well rounded type among the typing it can do almost every role.
** Another issue with those two typing are the fact that it has ridiculously well spread moves on both offensive side. EVERY Dragon type can learn Outrage, Dragon Pulse, and Draco Meteor and Kingdra is the only fully evolved Dragon type pokemon that can't learn Dragon Claw. As for Water types, Hydro Pump are extremely common, and Surf, Waterfall and Aqua Tail are spread amongst every Water Type in existence. While other types has more powerful and specialized moves on one side of the Offense, no other types has the combined ballance of typing coverage and movepool that these two has, so much that there's only one Dragon type that is not OU on {{Smogon}} Tier List for gen 4 one which is considered as really underpowered stats-wise, and Water has the most number of OU pokemon and even the non OU are perfectly usable in OU. Even in Ubers, Dragon is considered the most Dangerous offensive typing of the tier while the so called "[[FanNickname King Of Ubers]]" is a Water Type.

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** The whole type chart in the first Pokemon trilogy suffered from fake balance. The designers greatly underrated the Psychic type; not only were both its counters broken (Bug had no strong moves, the only offensive Ghost-type move worth using was horribly weak) and a programming error made Psychics ''immune'' to Ghost instead of the opposite, but it was strong against Poison, a type the designers had spread around the Pokeworld like it was going out of style. The apparent balance between "physical" and "special" types was an illusion; physical Attack and Defense were separate stats, but the Special stat governed both offense and defense, making strong Specialists automatically tanks. (Needless to say, Psychic is one of the special types.) Meanwhile, the Dragon type basically failed to ''exist'' offensively -- its only move was Dragon Rage, which always does 40 damage. The second generation addressed these flaws, and each succeeding generation has fine-tuned the system further.
** Note that there is a slight balance in Special and Physical in the first generation. Special still did not give you protection against Physical. And the Physical side happens to have the Normal type. In the first generation, it was typing that had 1 resistor (Rock) and 1 immunity (Ghost), but nothing weak to it. Defensively, it is immune to the underdeveloped Ghost Type, and weak to Fighting Type. The catch is, in Gen I, the resistor in question is weak (or, in the case of Omastar and Kabutops, at least neutrally-affected) to the ever-common Water, and those that are immune are extremely fragile and weak to the ever-common Ground, and Fighting types are taken down without question by Psychic-types and the fact that good Fighting-type moves are are ridiculously rare. In return, Normal has the crit-fest Slash, the extremely powerful Hyper Beam (with no recharge if it defeats the other mon), and Body Slam, which has the power, wide distribution, and chance to paralyze to make it an extremely game changing move. There is a reason why many Gen I competitive analysis for Normal type on Website/{{Smogon}} go around "This thing is good but is not [[ALoadOfBull Tauros]]" or "This thing is really good, but has no Water moves". Like Psychic type above, Normal types were severely nerfed in second gen onwards. 
*** However, there is still the consistent problem caused by an unbalance in what moves outside your type most Pokemon can use. Just taking the core "Grass->Water->Fire->Grass" triangle, it is unbalanced by the fact that nearly ''every'' Water-type Pokemon can learn Ice-type attacks against Grass-types, while few Fire types can learn moves effective against Water-types (this was somewhat fixed by letting many of them learn Solarbeam and/or Energy Ball) and even fewer Grass-types can learn Rock-type moves to take out Fire-types. In fact, Ice types are supposed to be {{Glass Cannon}}s, as they have many weaknesses and are only resistant to themselves, while Ice attacks are SuperEffective against many types, but the abundance of non-Ice types which learn Ice-type moves simply leads to Ice-types being horribly underused and Ice-type moves being practically omnipresent.
** Two typings stand out the most in Pokemon other than Gen I Psychic and Normal, which were Gen IV Dragon and Water. Dragon only has two weakness: Ice and itself, but it has ridiculously strong moves (something that it lacked in previous gens) that are only resisted by Steel types. Water has two weakness, Grass and Electric, both of which are easily covered by 2 relatively widespread moves and offensively is super effective against Fire, Ground, and Rock while only resisted by Water, Dragon, and Grass (which, of course, is no problem). The issue comes from the fact that Dragon is only resisted by Steel, coupled with its absurdly and easily covered powerful moves, and Water is such a well rounded type among the typing it can do almost every role.
** Another issue with those two typings are the fact that they have ridiculously well spread moves on both offensive side. EVERY Dragon type can learn Outrage, Dragon Pulse, and Draco Meteor, and Kingdra is the only fully evolved Dragon type that can't learn Dragon Claw. As for Water types, Hydro Pump is extremely common, and Surf, Waterfall and Aqua Tail are spread amongst every Water Type in existence. While other types have more powerful and specialized moves on one side of the Offense, no other types have the combined balance of typing coverage and movepool that these two has, so much that there's only one Dragon type that is not OU on Website/{{Smogon}} Tier List for Gen IV one which is considered as really underpowered stats-wise, and Water has the most number of OU pokemon and even the non OU are perfectly usable in OU. Even in Ubers, Dragon is considered the most Dangerous offensive typing of the tier while the so called "[[FanNickname King Of Ubers]]" is a Water Type.

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