History Main / FairPlayWhodunnit

15th Jan '16 8:33:51 AM Anddrix
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* The first season of ''Series/RemingtonSteele'' aimed for fair-play mysteries, with varying degrees of success. [[ExecutiveMeddling Then the network made them dumb down the scripts]], so as [[ViewersAreMorons not to alienate viewers]].
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* The first season of ''Series/RemingtonSteele'' aimed for fair-play mysteries, with varying degrees of success. [[ExecutiveMeddling Then the network made them dumb down the scripts]], so as [[ViewersAreMorons not to alienate viewers]].viewers.
29th Dec '15 8:54:40 AM freesefan
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* Creator/MichaelConnelly's mystery novels are often these; ''The Poet'' actually won an award for Fair Play. Make sure you read this before reading its sequel ''The Narrows'', which itself has a fair play TwistEnding.
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* Creator/MichaelConnelly's mystery novels are often these; ''The Poet'' ''Literature/ThePoet'' actually won an award for Fair Play. Make sure you read this before reading its sequel ''The Narrows'', which itself has a fair play TwistEnding.
27th Dec '15 2:08:48 AM Koveras
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* When Robert van Gulik wrote his novels starring Literature/JudgeDee, he deliberately incorporated many of Knox's principles into them (except the Chinaman rule--[[ImperialChina for obvious reasons]]). In particular, he had to struggle with the second commandment, as the supernatural elements are omnipresent in traditional Chinese detective fiction (e.g. it's not uncommon for the victim's ghost to appear to the detective ten pages in and give a detailed account of their own murder), due to the genre's cultural purpose being to teach the reader a moral lesson, rather than to challenge their puzzle-solving skills. In fact, the very first novel ''Celebrated Cases Of Judge Dee'' (not part of later continuity) was Gulik's only translation from a Chinese original, which attracted his attention primarily because it ''lacked'' any supernatural elements relevant to the mystery plot.
26th Dec '15 7:48:14 PM Merlyn_LeRoy
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--->'''Holmes:''' That was the curious incident.
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--->'''Holmes:''' [[AbsenceOfEvidence That was the curious incident.]]
13th Dec '15 6:02:31 PM NoriMori
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* "The Oxford Murders" (no, NOT related to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28novel%29 this one]]) has been termed (citation needed) "the most fair whodunnit of all" - the author reveals the murderer on the first page in open light - if you have eyes to see. If you HAVE to be spoilered: [[spoiler: The FIRST page. The poem. Which is not ancient at all, but faked. Which you COULD see simply by the fact that the vain author "signed" it with his name inserted as acrostichon. The victim, a wordplay fan, saw that immediately and was murdered by the author to hide the fake.]]
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* "The Oxford Murders" (no, NOT related to [[https://en.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28novel%29 this one]]) has been termed (citation needed) "the most fair whodunnit of all" - the author reveals the murderer on the first page in open light - if you have eyes to see. If you HAVE to be spoilered: [[spoiler: The FIRST page. The poem. Which is not ancient at all, but faked. Which you COULD see simply by the fact that the vain author "signed" it with his name inserted as acrostichon. The victim, a wordplay fan, saw that immediately and was murdered by the author to hide the fake.]]]] * For that matter, ''The Oxford Murders'' (the one that IS [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28novel%29 this one]]) is also very fair. All the rules are followed; but aside from that, not only the reader, but the protagonist himself, is almost constantly bombarded with subtle hints inviting him to understand them for what they are, and realize the truth.
13th Dec '15 5:49:04 PM NoriMori
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Replaced the link to Oxford Murders the film with one to Oxford Murders the novel, since the former risks confusing the reader into thinking they have the correct novel when they don't, if they only look at the link. That's what just happened to me, which means I just read the wrong novel and then looked at the spoiler for the correct one… :(
13th Dec '15 5:47:46 PM NoriMori
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Replaced the link to Oxford Murders the film with one to Oxford Murders the novel, since the former risks confusing the reader into thinking they have the correct novel when they don't, if they only look at the link. That's what just happened to me, which means I just read the wrong novel and then looked at the spoiler for the correct one… :(
* "The Oxford Murders" (no, NOT related to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28film%29 this one]]) has been termed (citation needed) "the most fair whodunnit of all" - the author reveals the murderer on the first page in open light - if you have eyes to see. If you HAVE to be spoilered: [[spoiler: The FIRST page. The poem. Which is not ancient at all, but faked. Which you COULD see simply by the fact that the vain author "signed" it with his name inserted as acrostichon. The victim, a wordplay fan, saw that immediately and was murdered by the author to hide the fake.]]
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* "The Oxford Murders" (no, NOT related to [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28film%29 org/wiki/The_Oxford_Murders_%28novel%29 this one]]) has been termed (citation needed) "the most fair whodunnit of all" - the author reveals the murderer on the first page in open light - if you have eyes to see. If you HAVE to be spoilered: [[spoiler: The FIRST page. The poem. Which is not ancient at all, but faked. Which you COULD see simply by the fact that the vain author "signed" it with his name inserted as acrostichon. The victim, a wordplay fan, saw that immediately and was murdered by the author to hide the fake.]]
9th Dec '15 2:00:48 AM LondonKdS
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** ''Hercule Poirot's Christmas'' is also the subject of controversy as to whether having [[spoiler:a member of the police investigative team that Poirot helps]] being the killer is a violation of the [[spoiler:Seventh]] commandment.
25th Nov '15 9:22:11 AM breakinglight11
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[[folder:Theatre]] * The Theatre/MrsHawking play series: In part three, ''[[http://www.mrshawking.com/?page_id=1913 Base Instruments]]'' the audience is provided with all the same information and suspects the lead characters are and may make the same deductions to solve the murder. [[/folder]]
15th Nov '15 9:32:27 PM vifetoile
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# [[ScaryMinoritySuspect No Chinaman must figure in the story.]][[note]]This was not a case of racism, despite the ValuesDissonance of the now-offensive but generally obsolete term "Chinaman". This was in fact an admonition ''against'' something they considered both racist and cliché even then: the YellowPeril villains, {{Magical Asian}}s, and {{Inscrutable Oriental}} characters prevalent in dodgy crime fiction at the time. The modern American equivalent would be a {{Qurac | Quraci terrorist}} or a ScaryBlackMan. Even then, the TokenMinority was automatically either the guy who did it, or played for the rest of the story as a RedHerring.[[/note]]
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# [[ScaryMinoritySuspect No Chinaman must figure in the story.]][[note]]This was not a case of racism, despite the ValuesDissonance of the now-offensive but generally obsolete term "Chinaman". This was in fact an admonition ''against'' something they considered both racist and cliché even then: the YellowPeril villains, {{Magical Asian}}s, and {{Inscrutable Oriental}} characters prevalent in dodgy crime fiction at the time. The modern American equivalent would be a {{Qurac | Quraci terrorist}} {{Qurac}} terrorist or a ScaryBlackMan. Even then, the TokenMinority was automatically either the guy who did it, or played for the rest of the story as a RedHerring.[[/note]]
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