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12th Jun '17 11:00:26 PM intastiel
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* The Gray Guard PrestigeClass/Paragon Path from ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' was supposed to allow paladins the ability to go all Film/DirtyHarry on potential perpetrators without losing their alignment.

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The Gray Guard PrestigeClass/Paragon Path from ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' was supposed to allow paladins the ability to go all Film/DirtyHarry on potential perpetrators without losing their alignment.alignment.
** The ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' has features that edge disturbingly close to this. Torturing an evildoer would be wrong, of course; but [[YourSoulIsMine tearing out their soul]], trapping it in a CrystalPrison, and magically twisting it until its CharacterAlignment matches yours in a bizarre inversion of BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil? Capital-G Good.
23rd Apr '17 8:44:38 PM Luigifan
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The Exalted Torturer is ''almost'' AlwaysMale possibly due to ValuesDissonance in how a woman would be handled--though several female examples can be found for both categories.

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The Exalted Torturer is ''almost'' AlwaysMale AlwaysMale, possibly due to ValuesDissonance in how a woman would be handled--though handled -- though several female examples can be found for both categories.



* ''ComicBook/SinCity'''s Marv not only does this to criminals but he loves it. There is an entire monologue in his first story about how much he enjoys what he's doing.
* The ComicBook/TheSpectre is known for torturing villains before killing them [[DeathByIrony in ironic ways]]. However, it's frequently brought up in-universe that [[WhatTheHellHero most other superheroes disagree with his methods]] and he's normally presented in a morally ambiguous light.

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* ''ComicBook/SinCity'''s Marv not only does this to criminals criminals, but he loves it. There is an entire monologue in his first story about how much he enjoys what he's doing.
* The ComicBook/TheSpectre is known for torturing villains before killing them [[DeathByIrony in ironic ways]]. However, it's frequently brought up in-universe that [[WhatTheHellHero most other superheroes disagree with his methods]] and he's normally presented in a morally ambiguous light.



* ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' sets the following baseline for Batman: If you are a SmugSnake of a dirty cop, he won't hesitate to traumatize you and scare you half to death as a form of interrogation. If you're a crime lord holding out information on a madman going on a destructive rampage through his city, he will go even farther. If you ''are'' said madman and the clock is ticking on people's lives, he will start at bodily harm and beat you within an inch of your life if that's what it takes. The Joker sees all this and, with mixed awe and annoyance, declares him "incorruptible" (because he has only one rule, "no killing", and he won't break it).

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* ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' sets the following baseline for Batman: If you are a SmugSnake of a dirty cop, he won't hesitate to traumatize you and scare you half to death as a form of interrogation. If you're a crime lord holding out information on a madman going on a destructive rampage through his city, he will go even farther. If you ''are'' said madman and the clock is ticking on people's lives, he will start '''start''' at bodily harm and beat you within an inch of your life if that's what it takes. The Joker sees all this and, with mixed awe and annoyance, declares him "incorruptible" (because he has only one rule, "no killing", and he won't break it).



* ''{{Film/Prisoners}}'' has a father resort to this, over the whole film, by torturing the main suspect to reveal where his missing daughter is being held.

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* ''{{Film/Prisoners}}'' has a father resort to this, over the whole film, by torturing the main suspect to reveal where his missing daughter is being held. [[spoiler:The BigBad is hoping he'll do this, as part of her sick, twisted scheme to take revenge on God.]]



* Elliot Stabler of ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit''. While he faces some in-show consequences, said consequences do nothing to stop him, his conduct crosses the line into PoliceBrutality, and a disturbingly large portion of fans of the show in RealLife assume that RealLife police are justified in engaging in such conduct with suspects [[SarcasmMode because when the accusation is vile enough there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty]].
** While Stabler is the usual offender, when Rollins gets wounded and the son of Finn's former supervisor gets killed by an unknown assassin, it's treated as perfectly justified when Finn and Amaro go to a prison and torture the drug kingpin they suspect of ordering the hit, to the point of Finn being about [[EyeScream to gouge his eyes out]]...and the only thing that stops them is when the warden shows up to inform them the drug dealer's wife was just killed by the same assassin. They then move on like nothing had happened. In other words, [[SarcasmMode it's perfectly fine to torture somebody over a crime he didn't even commit, because he actually did commit a whole bunch of other crimes before that]].

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* Elliot Stabler of ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit''. While he faces some in-show consequences, said consequences do nothing to stop him, his conduct crosses the line into PoliceBrutality, and a disturbingly large portion of fans of the show in RealLife assume that RealLife police are justified in engaging in such conduct with suspects [[SarcasmMode because when the accusation is vile enough enough, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty]].
** While Stabler is the usual offender, when Rollins gets wounded and the son of Finn's former supervisor gets killed by an unknown assassin, it's treated as perfectly justified when Finn and Amaro go to a prison and torture the drug kingpin they suspect of ordering the hit, to the point of Finn being about [[EyeScream to gouge his eyes out]]...and the only thing that stops them is when the warden shows up to inform them that the drug dealer's wife was just killed by the same assassin. They then move on like nothing had happened. In other words, [[SarcasmMode it's perfectly fine to torture somebody over a crime he didn't even commit, because he actually did commit a whole bunch of other crimes before that]].



** Drogyn The Battlebrand, an immortal warrior on the side of good who acts as jailer to The Old Ones, casually admits he tortured a demon who attacked him late in season 5. This was to find out who sent it, and the demon was from a race of assassins so it's not considered an immoral act on Drogyn's part.[[spoiler:InvokedTrope as the employer was Angel, who was pretending to be evil, knew Drogyn would both defeat and torture the demon for the information, and wanted the information passed to his friends.]]
* Sayid from ''Series/{{Lost}}'', who used to be a professional torturer. He, like a number of other characters, spends time on both the Black and White sides of morality and pretty much everywhere inbetween, but he spends most of his time on the lighter side of grey.

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** Drogyn The Battlebrand, an immortal warrior on the side of good who acts as jailer to The Old Ones, casually admits he tortured a demon who attacked him late in season 5. This was to find out who sent it, and the demon was from a race of assassins assassins, so it's not considered an immoral act on Drogyn's part.[[spoiler:InvokedTrope as the employer was Angel, who was pretending to be evil, knew Drogyn would both defeat and torture the demon for the information, and wanted the information passed to his friends.]]
* Sayid from ''Series/{{Lost}}'', who used to be a professional torturer. He, like a number of other characters, spends time on both the Black and White sides of morality and pretty much everywhere inbetween, in between, but he spends most of his time on the lighter side of grey.



* In the ''Ksin'' saga, the royal torturer is that. He is a true master in causing pain and does his worst than he works -- but he also exemplifies HonorBeforeReason. Even though he knows that some things he does are unreasonable, he considers it a must in his position -- a torturer must be a paragon of honor or else he will be worse than a beast.

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* In the ''Ksin'' saga, the royal torturer is that. He is a true master in causing pain and does his worst than when he works -- but he also exemplifies HonorBeforeReason. Even though he knows that some things he does are unreasonable, he considers it a must in his position -- a torturer must be a paragon of honor or else he will be worse than a beast.
21st Apr '17 12:08:41 PM Dravencour
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* The UnscrupulousHero or WellIntentionedExtremist who resorts to these methods because they (at least believe) they're "necessary" for a noble cause. Given [[CrapsackWorld the worlds they tend]] [[AWorldHalfFull to live in]] the narrative tends to [[TheExtremistWasRight agree with them]] (possibly with or without the audience). Examples can include [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]], Film/JamesBond, [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]], [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Tanya Adams]], and [[Film/ZeroDarkThirty Maya.]] They generally:

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* The UnscrupulousHero or WellIntentionedExtremist who resorts to these methods because they (at least believe) feel that they're "necessary" for a noble cause. Given [[CrapsackWorld the worlds they tend]] [[AWorldHalfFull to live in]] the narrative tends to [[TheExtremistWasRight agree with them]] (possibly with or without the audience). Examples can include [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]], Film/JamesBond, [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]], [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Tanya Adams]], and [[Film/ZeroDarkThirty Maya.]] They generally:
25th Mar '17 8:44:38 AM megarockman
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* The UnscrupulousHero or WellIntentionedExtremist who resorts to these methods because they (at least believe) they're "necessary" for a noble cause. Given [[CrapsackWorld the worlds they tend]] [[AWorldHalfFull to live in]] the narrative tends to [[TheExtremistWasRight agree with them]] (possibly with or without the audience). Examples can include [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]], Film/JamesBond, [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]], [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Tanya Adams]], and [[Film/ZeroDarkThirty Maya.]] As general rules generally:

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* The UnscrupulousHero or WellIntentionedExtremist who resorts to these methods because they (at least believe) they're "necessary" for a noble cause. Given [[CrapsackWorld the worlds they tend]] [[AWorldHalfFull to live in]] the narrative tends to [[TheExtremistWasRight agree with them]] (possibly with or without the audience). Examples can include [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]], Film/JamesBond, [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]], [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Tanya Adams]], and [[Film/ZeroDarkThirty Maya.]] As general rules They generally:
3rd Feb '17 8:08:23 PM Dravencour
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* ''Film/DirtyHarry'', possibly the TropeMaker for film depictions in the US, and something of an UnbuiltTrope, at that. He gets an admission of guilt out of the Scorpio Killer by stomping on his injured leg, but Harry is informed by his superiors that [[DeconstructedTrope the confession can't be used in court because he obtained it through illegal interrogation means, and Scorpio has to be set free.]]

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* ''Film/DirtyHarry'', possibly the TropeMaker for film depictions in the US, and something of an UnbuiltTrope, at that. He gets an admission of guilt out of the Scorpio Killer by stomping on his injured leg, but Harry is informed by his superiors that [[DeconstructedTrope the confession can't be used in court because he obtained it through illegal interrogation means, means (the superiors even use the term "police torture" to describe Harry's actions), and Scorpio has to be set free.]]
22nd Jan '17 3:26:43 PM Monsund
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* ''Webcomic/{{Sonichu}}'' and Christian Weston Chandler's self-insertions.
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* ''Webcomic/{{Sonichu}}'' and Christian Weston Chandler's self-insertions.
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22nd Aug '16 10:25:25 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* ''Film/DirtyHarry'', possibly the TropeMaker for film depictions in the US.

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* ''Film/DirtyHarry'', possibly the TropeMaker for film depictions in the US.US, and something of an UnbuiltTrope, at that. He gets an admission of guilt out of the Scorpio Killer by stomping on his injured leg, but Harry is informed by his superiors that [[DeconstructedTrope the confession can't be used in court because he obtained it through illegal interrogation means, and Scorpio has to be set free.]]
6th Jul '16 3:32:35 PM BURGINABC
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* Someone who uses ColdBloodedTorture , the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique, the MaximumFunChamber, PoliceBrutality, extreme PerpSweating, [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption rape]] and/or some combination thereof to achieve his goals. Usually [[ToThePain frequently.]]

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* Someone who uses ColdBloodedTorture , the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique, the MaximumFunChamber, PoliceBrutality, extreme PerpSweating, [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption rape]] and/or some combination thereof to achieve his goals. Usually [[ToThePain frequently.]]
30th Jun '16 4:29:08 PM Anddrix
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This character can be a major BaseBreaker and cause [[FlameBait massive conflicts]] not just in his fictional world, but he can also possibly in real life. On one extreme side extremist defenders might hold them up as a cause celebre and [[UnfortunateImplications defend real life instances of torture, police brutality or whatever form of atrocity he's inflicting upon his victims]] because they're AcceptableTargets, because he's the DesignatedHero, or both. On the other extreme, you can have people who will group together everyone from the most remorseful and reluctant to the most unhinged and sociopathic and claim [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity that they're all insane and any portrayals of them in any remotely positive light are inexcusable apologia]], and who generally feel justified to ignore or condemn any in-universe or RealLife ShootTheDog moments or DirtyBusiness regardless of merit.

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This character can be a major BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter and cause [[FlameBait massive conflicts]] not just in his fictional world, but he can also possibly in real life. On one extreme side extremist defenders might hold them up as a cause celebre and [[UnfortunateImplications defend real life instances of torture, police brutality or whatever form of atrocity he's inflicting upon his victims]] because they're AcceptableTargets, because he's the DesignatedHero, or both. On the other extreme, you can have people who will group together everyone from the most remorseful and reluctant to the most unhinged and sociopathic and claim [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity that they're all insane and any portrayals of them in any remotely positive light are inexcusable apologia]], and who generally feel justified to ignore or condemn any in-universe or RealLife ShootTheDog moments or DirtyBusiness regardless of merit.
5th Apr '16 11:24:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''SinCity'''s Marv not only does this to criminals but he loves it. There is an entire monologue in his first story about how much he enjoys what he's doing.

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* ''SinCity'''s ''ComicBook/SinCity'''s Marv not only does this to criminals but he loves it. There is an entire monologue in his first story about how much he enjoys what he's doing.
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