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12th Jan '16 10:37:25 PM Nakuyabi
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* Jesus pulls a particularly effective one in Luke 20:25 when challenged by his opponents to take a stand on whether the Jews should pay taxes to the Romans. This ''should'' have put him on MortonsFork: say yes, and he gets labelled as a [[LesCollaborateurs Roman collaborator]]; say no, and he's preaching sedition against the Romans. However, "He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” ". Sounds like he's saying "Pay your taxes," right? But he doesn't actually say that anything they have is Caesar's. The audience wouldn't have assumed that they owe anything to a foreign, pagan invader. So arguably you could say he was authorising them to NOT pay taxes. So he doesn't get in trouble from the authorities or Zealots, either one of which could kill him.
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* Jesus pulls a particularly effective one in Luke 20:25 when challenged by his opponents to take a stand on whether the Jews should pay taxes to the Romans. This ''should'' have put him on MortonsFork: say yes, and he gets labelled as his detractors could frame him for a [[LesCollaborateurs boot-licking Roman collaborator]]; say no, and he's either Pontius Pilate or Herod Antipas would have to have him arrested for preaching sedition against the Romans. Rome. However, "He said to them, “Then 'Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, Caesar's, and to God what is God’s.” ". Sounds like he's God's.'" Arguably, since he was pointing to a coin with Caesar's image on it at the time, that does amount to saying "Pay your taxes," right? But ''this'' tax." What he doesn't didn't actually say that anything they have is Caesar's. The what--other than the coin used in paying this particular tax--rightfully belongs to Caesar. People in the audience wouldn't have automatically assumed that ''anything'' they owe anything had rightfully belonged to a foreign, foreign pagan invader. So arguably you occupier such as Rome. Thus, no patriotic Roman listener could say he was authorising them honestly claim Jesus had told anyone not to NOT pay taxes. So he doesn't get in trouble from taxes, and no loyal Jew (even the authorities or Zealots, either one of which who were violently anti-Roman hardliners) could kill him.claim that Jesus had told them they had to pay ''any'' and ''every'' tax Rome might think to levy on them.
2nd Jan '16 7:33:13 AM shokoshu
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* King Conchobar of Ulster was honorbound to [[DroitDuSeigneur be the first man to sleep with any woman in his province on her wedding night[[note]]In contrast to most examples of droit du seigneur, this was started by the populace as a means of "blessing" their new marriage.[[/note]]. One of these women he was obliged to sleep with was Emer, newlywed wife of the ''very'' tempermental and deadly Cu Chulainn. Thus, Conchobor chose to interpret his obligation as literally as possible.
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* King Conchobar of Ulster was honorbound to [[DroitDuSeigneur be the first man to sleep with any woman woman]] in his province on her wedding night[[note]]In contrast to most examples of droit du seigneur, this was started by the populace as a means of "blessing" their new marriage.[[/note]]. One of these women he was obliged to sleep with was Emer, newlywed wife of the ''very'' tempermental and deadly Cu Chulainn. Thus, Conchobor chose to interpret his obligation as literally as possible.possible. * [[Myth/RomanMythology Jupiter]] must have been in a bloodythirsty mood when Numa Pompilius, 2nd king of Rome, asked him how to "atone" a place hit by his lightning. Jupiter asked for a head. Numa said, "OK, head of an onion." Jupiter then further asked for a body part. Numa said, "OK, my cut off nails." Jupiter then further asked for something alive. Numa said, "OK, a small fish." Jupiter said probably something unprintable but the deal stuck. (Sidenote: Numas concubine was a demigoddess, it's not recommended for YOU to play silly bugger with Roman deities.) * Also from [[Myth/RomanMythology Roman sagas]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpeia Tarpeia]] who met an [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves deserving end.]]
27th Dec '15 6:07:09 AM luiz4200
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* ''WebAnimation/{{Tonin}}'' ** In ''Tonin - O Ninja Que Veio da Roça'', a Brazilian web series featured in Chargesdotcomdotbr, Vilano-san, the main villain, asked a spirit to make his body resistant to harm. The spirit said he'd only do it if Vilano defeated him in a card game. Vilano only agreed on the condition that each one would draw one's own cards. Instead of drawing cards from the spirit's deck, he drew cards from his pocket, getting himself a better hand. When the spirit protested, Vilano reminded him about the agreement about drawing one's ''own'' cards. ** In sequel series ''Tonin - A Vorta dos Que Num Foi'', Tonin and his friends were stuck in the future and the spirit was their only chance to return. Being an oracle, the spirit said his only duty was of answering questions. The spirit also told that he's bound to this duty until Tonin dismisses him. Tonin then challenged the spirit to send them back to the past, promising he'd never ask any questions from that day onwards if the spirit succeeds. Once they went back in time, Tonin pointed out that, since they've gone back several years from the day he promised to stop making questions, he still has all that time back to make questions without going back on his word. ** Years later (from Tonin's perspective), he went back to the day he made that deal and asked the oracle how could there have two of him in two different places at the same time but, since they were in a period of time the oracle no longer had to answer questions as per the agreement, the oracle refused to answer. Tonin argued it was the other Tonin who made the deal but the oracle explained they were the same Tonin. Tonin then asked how this could be possible. By doing so, he unwittingly answered the question he initially refused to. ** In trequel series ''Tonin - O Ninja dos Inferno'', Tonin sells his soul to the Devil in exchange for the power to defeat Vilano-san and Pai-Meio. The terms of the agreement stated that the Devil would be able to collect the soul once Vilano and Pai-Meio would no longer be able to pose a threat. The two villains were eventually killed. When the Devil tried to collect the soul, it was argued that Vilano and Pai-Meio being dead doesn't mean [[BackFromTheDead they'd never be able to pose a threat again]]. Considering the world where the story took place, the argument makes sense. ** In order to reach the Devil to strike the deal in the first place, Tonin had to, once again, outsmart the spirit. The spirit was unwilling to help Tonin in any way other than doing his job (answering questions). Tonin then asked if he'd make a good deal with the Devil. Since the only way to know was having Tonin meet the Devil, the spirit had no choice but to take Tonin to hell. Also, when Tonin proposed the deal to the Devil, Tonin offered his "''arma''". ("Arma" could be either the Brazilian word for "weapon" or the way Brazilian unsophisticated country people say "alma", the Brazilian word for "soul".) The spirit, who served as witness for the deal, said that either Tonin and the Devil reached for an agreement on which meaning the word "arma" would be employed for the deal, or the deal would be null and void. Unable to convince the Devil to taking anything from him as a "weapon", Tonin agreed to offer his soul. ** In ''Tonin - A Saga Final'', a witch tried to avoid a witch hunter by magically disguising her appearance but he saw through her disguise and offered her a deal: if she taught him how to disguise himself, he'd leave her alive somewhere nobody would lay their hands at her. After she fulfilled her end of the bargain, he left her alive, but tied at a stake where nobody would lay anything other than fire. ** Also, hoping to have the same near-invulnerability his father won in the deal from the first season, [[OverlordJr Vilano Segundo (Vilano the Second)]] sought the same oracle, who had him play a cheese eating contest against TheChosenOne. If OverlordJr wins, he'll gain said near invulnerability; if he loses, he loses his life. Being somewhat of a ChaoticNeutral and considering the villain was alone while TheHero had lots of friends in the place where the contest was held, the oracle granted the villain temporary protection from harm until the contest was over. The oracle also ruled that the first contestant whose pile of cheese was eaten would be the winner; no cheese could be wasted; no cheese could be vomited; there was no time limit; and the villain would win by default if he had no opponents. TheHero shared his cheese with his friends because shared food isn't ''wasted'' food and there was no rule saying ''who'' had to eat his cheese. The villain then stabbed TheHero to death to invoke the win by lack of opponent rule because there was no rule saying he couldn't kill the opponent. Beause of the oracle's protection, nobody could kill the villain until the contest was over. Once the villain was declared the winner and the oracle declared the contest over, one of the good guys killed the villain before the oracle granted the powers. (The protection being over once the contest was over) [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Nobody mentioned it in the series but, since the powers came with vulnerability to cheese, the hero's friends could have hit the villain with the remaining cheese if the villain had been granted the powers]].

* ''Tonin'' ** In ''Tonin - O Ninja Que Veio da Roça'', a Brazilian web series featured in Chargesdotcomdotbr, Vilano-san, the main villain, asked a spirit to make his body resistant to harm. The spirit said he'd only do it if Vilano defeated him in a card game. Vilano only agreed on the condition that each one would draw one's own cards. Instead of drawing cards from the spirit's deck, he drew cards from his pocket, getting himself a better hand. When the spirit protested, Vilano reminded him about the agreement about drawing one's ''own'' cards. ** In sequel series ''Tonin - A Vorta dos Que Num Foi'', Tonin and his friends were stuck in the future and the spirit was their only chance to return. Being an oracle, the spirit said his only duty was of answering questions. The spirit also told that he's bound to this duty until Tonin dismisses him. Tonin then challenged the spirit to send them back to the past, promising he'd never ask any questions from that day onwards if the spirit succeeds. Once they went back in time, Tonin pointed out that, since they've gone back several years from the day he promised to stop making questions, he still has all that time back to make questions without going back on his word. ** Years later (from Tonin's perspective), he went back to the day he made that deal and asked the oracle how could there have two of him in two different places at the same time but, since they were in a period of time the oracle no longer had to answer questions as per the agreement, the oracle refused to answer. Tonin argued it was the other Tonin who made the deal but the oracle explained they were the same Tonin. Tonin then asked how this could be possible. By doing so, he unwittingly answered the question he initially refused to. ** In trequel series ''Tonin - O Ninja dos Inferno'', Tonin sells his soul to the Devil in exchange for the power to defeat Vilano-san and Pai-Meio. The terms of the agreement stated that the Devil would be able to collect the soul once Vilano and Pai-Meio would no longer be able to pose a threat. The two villains were eventually killed. When the Devil tried to collect the soul, it was argued that Vilano and Pai-Meio being dead doesn't mean [[BackFromTheDead they'd never be able to pose a threat again]]. Considering the world where the story took place, the argument makes sense. ** In order to reach the Devil to strike the deal in the first place, Tonin had to, once again, outsmart the spirit. The spirit was unwilling to help Tonin in any way other than doing his job (answering questions). Tonin then asked if he'd make a good deal with the Devil. Since the only way to know was having Tonin meet the Devil, the spirit had no choice but to take Tonin to hell. Also, when Tonin proposed the deal to the Devil, Tonin offered his "''arma''". ("Arma" could be either the Brazilian word for "weapon" or the way Brazilian unsophisticated country people say "alma", the Brazilian word for "soul".) The spirit, who served as witness for the deal, said that either Tonin and the Devil reached for an agreement on which meaning the word "arma" would be employed for the deal, or the deal would be null and void. Unable to convince the Devil to taking anything from him as a "weapon", Tonin agreed to offer his soul. ** In ''Tonin - A Saga Final'', a witch tried to avoid a witch hunter by magically disguising her appearance but he saw through her disguise and offered her a deal: if she taught him how to disguise himself, he'd leave her alive somewhere nobody would lay their hands at her. After she fulfilled her end of the bargain, he left her alive, but tied at a stake where nobody would lay anything other than fire. ** Also, hoping to have the same near-invulnerability his father won in the deal from the first season, [[OverlordJr Vilano Segundo (Vilano the Second)]] sought the same oracle, who had him play a cheese eating contest against TheChosenOne. If OverlordJr wins, he'll gain said near invulnerability; if he loses, he loses his life. Being somewhat of a ChaoticNeutral and considering the villain was alone while TheHero had lots of friends in the place where the contest was held, the oracle granted the villain temporary protection from harm until the contest was over. The oracle also ruled that the first contestant whose pile of cheese was eaten would be the winner; no cheese could be wasted; no cheese could be vomited; there was no time limit; and the villain would win by default if he had no opponents. TheHero shared his cheese with his friends because shared food isn't ''wasted'' food and there was no rule saying ''who'' had to eat his cheese. The villain then stabbed TheHero to death to invoke the win by lack of opponent rule because there was no rule saying he couldn't kill the opponent. Beause of the oracle's protection, nobody could kill the villain until the contest was over. Once the villain was declared the winner and the oracle declared the contest over, one of the good guys killed the villain before the oracle granted the powers. (The protection being over once the contest was over) [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Nobody mentioned it in the series but, since the powers came with vulnerability to cheese, the hero's friends could have hit the villain with the remaining cheese if the villain had been granted the powers]].
5th Dec '15 8:58:12 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Rayne also did this at a TNA show in New Jersey where Wrestling/AngelinaLove was promised a Knockouts title shot if she could defeat JAPW's Women's Champion Wrestling/SaraDelRey, [[TheAce who had been reigning for years]]. [[DefeatingTheUndefeatable When Love won]], Rayne ran out and hit her with the belt.
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** Rayne also did this at a TNA show in New Jersey where Wrestling/AngelinaLove was promised a Knockouts title shot if she could defeat Rayne's old rival, JAPW's Women's Champion Wrestling/SaraDelRey, [[TheAce who had been reigning for years]]. [[DefeatingTheUndefeatable Wrestling/SaraDelRey. When Love won]], won, Rayne ran out and hit her with the belt.
5th Dec '15 8:56:22 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* During a Wrestling/{{TNA}} iMPACT Knockout Battle Royal for the #1 contender for the Knockouts title, Madison Rayne gets in the ring and announces that "any of the Knockouts in the ring right now" were eligible to be the #1 contender. True to form, she rushes in at the end of the match and throws Velvet Sky from the ring.
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* During a Wrestling/{{TNA}} iMPACT Knockout Battle Royal for the #1 contender for the Knockouts title, Madison Rayne Wrestling/MadisonRayne gets in the ring and announces that "any of the Knockouts in the ring right now" were eligible to be the #1 contender. True to form, she rushes in at the end of the match and throws Velvet Sky Wrestling/VelvetSky from the ring.ring. ** Rayne also did this at a TNA show in New Jersey where Wrestling/AngelinaLove was promised a Knockouts title shot if she could defeat JAPW's Women's Champion Wrestling/SaraDelRey, [[TheAce who had been reigning for years]]. [[DefeatingTheUndefeatable When Love won]], Rayne ran out and hit her with the belt.
14th Nov '15 11:29:25 AM nombretomado
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* In ''WebVideo/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'', the ReasonableAuthorityFigure Descius makes BigBad Karamazov promise that no blood shall be spilled on Terra's sacred ground. Karamazov agrees, then goes to his fellow Inquisitors and promptly tells them to [[spoiler:burn all the suspects]].
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* In ''WebVideo/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'', ''WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'', the ReasonableAuthorityFigure Descius makes BigBad Karamazov promise that no blood shall be spilled on Terra's sacred ground. Karamazov agrees, then goes to his fellow Inquisitors and promptly tells them to [[spoiler:burn all the suspects]].
26th Oct '15 9:04:11 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* The southern version of the American Civil War song "The Battle Cry of Freedom" includes the lyric "Our Dixie forever, she's never had a loss...". Technically true, but since they'd never had a win either it isn't much of a boast.
26th Oct '15 9:08:23 AM phantomreader42
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misspelled the name of a long-dead king
*** Perhaps inspired by the above, there's another card with the effect "Take an extra turn after this one. [[DeathOrGloryAttack You lose the game at the end of that turn]]." This needed errata to specifically state that [[CaptainObvious you don't lose if you've already won]], to prevent people from interpreting it as [[PhyrricVictory causing the caster to lose even if they ended the turn by winning the game]].
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*** Perhaps inspired by the above, there's another card with the effect "Take an extra turn after this one. [[DeathOrGloryAttack You lose the game at the end of that turn]]." This needed errata to specifically state that [[CaptainObvious you don't lose if you've already won]], to prevent people from interpreting it as [[PhyrricVictory [[PyrrhicVictory causing the caster to lose even if they ended the turn by winning the game]].
26th Oct '15 9:01:02 AM phantomreader42
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*** Perhaps inspired by the above, there's another card with the effect "Take an extra turn after this one. [[DeathOrGloryAttack You lose the game at the end of that turn]]." This needed errata to specifically state that [[CaptainObvious you don't lose if you've already won]], to prevent people from interpreting it as [[PhyrricVictory causing the caster to lose even if they ended the turn by winning the game]].
10th Oct '15 9:51:21 AM Sparkysharps
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* King Conchobar of Ulster was honorbound to [[DroitDuSeigneur be the first man to sleep with any woman in his province on her wedding night[[note]]In contrast to most examples of droit du seigneur, this was started by the populace as a means of "blessing" their new marriage.[[/note]]. One of these women he was obliged to sleep with was Emer, newlywed wife of the ''very'' tempermental and deadly Cu Chulainn. Thus, Conchobor chose to interpret his obligation as literally as possible.
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