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27th Aug '16 9:02:01 PM KidDynamite
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** In late-1985, Sheik and Volkoff were in another heel-vs.-heel match, where they challenged then-tag team champions, the Dream Team (Brutus Beefcake and Greg Valentine) for the titles. The match ended in a double-disqualification.
** Wrestling/RandySavage vs. Wrestling/JakeRoberts on an episode of ''Saturday Night's Main Event'' (a match that bore no resemblance to their matches five years later, where Savage was the face and Roberts the worse-than-evil heel. Both were heavily booed and neither showed much respect for the other. In fact, somewhat foreshadowing Roberts' behavior toward Wrestling/MissElizabeth during the 1991 feud, he once tried to counter Savage's then tactic of pulling Elizabeth in front of him to shield off an attack by pulling Damien from his bag and nearly throwing it on Elizabeth!

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** In late-1985, Sheik and Volkoff were in another heel-vs.-heel match, where they challenged then-tag team champions, the Dream Team (Brutus Beefcake and Greg Valentine) for the titles. The fans sided with Beefcake and Valentine, and the match ended in a double-disqualification.
** Wrestling/RandySavage vs. Wrestling/JakeRoberts on an episode of ''Saturday Night's Main Event'' (a match that bore no resemblance to their matches five years later, where Savage was the face and Roberts the worse-than-evil heel.heel). Both were heavily booed and neither showed much respect for the other. In fact, somewhat foreshadowing Roberts' behavior toward Wrestling/MissElizabeth during the 1991 feud, he once tried to counter Savage's then tactic of pulling Elizabeth in front of him to shield off an attack by pulling Damien from his bag and nearly throwing it on Elizabeth!



* In early-2003, Wrestling/MollyHolly had several matches against other female heels, like Wrestling/{{Jazz}} and Wrestling/{{Victoria}}. She even [[EnemyMine teamed with Jacqueline]], who was a face at the time, against Jazz and Victoria. Some have speculated WWE were planning a HeelFaceTurn for Molly, but the poor crowd reaction squelched it.

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* In early-2003, Wrestling/MollyHolly had several matches against other female heels, like Wrestling/{{Jazz}} and Wrestling/{{Victoria}}. She even [[EnemyMine teamed with Jacqueline]], who was a face at the time, against Jazz and Victoria. Some have speculated WWE were planning a HeelFaceTurn for Molly, but the poor crowd reaction squelched she got killed it.
27th Aug '16 8:58:14 PM KidDynamite
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** In late-1985, Sheik and Volkoff were in another heel-vs.-heel match, where they challenged then-tag team champions, the Dream Team (Brutus Beefcake and Greg Valentine) for the titles. The match ended in a double-disqualification.


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* In early-2003, Wrestling/MollyHolly had several matches against other female heels, like Wrestling/{{Jazz}} and Wrestling/{{Victoria}}. She even [[EnemyMine teamed with Jacqueline]], who was a face at the time, against Jazz and Victoria. Some have speculated WWE were planning a HeelFaceTurn for Molly, but the poor crowd reaction squelched it.
18th Aug '16 7:23:14 PM Godzillawolf
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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''FanFic/TheBridge'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler: Bagan]] and OutsideContextProblem [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta RED]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there.

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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''FanFic/TheBridge'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler: Bagan]] and OutsideContextProblem [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta RED]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there. [[spoiler:Chrysalis theorizes this will be the case with her EvilMentor [[GodOfEvil Grogar]] and Bagan should she succeed in fully restoring him, with her money on Grogar. Legion's reaction to Grogar's power implies [[PhysicalGod Grogar is one of the few capable of taking on Bagan one on one]] and thus having any chance of doing so. [[FutureBadass Empress Flurry Heart's]] BadFuture implies the end result of this would be ''devastating'' for ''everyone''.]]
14th Aug '16 8:37:18 PM EricNeoMatrix
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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' has the Metarex versus Tsali, [[{{Satan}} Maledict]] versus the Metarex, and [[EldritchAbomination Dark Tails]] against ''[[OmnicidalNeutral everyone]]''. The overarching conflict between Maledict and Allysion [[JerkassGods can be seen as this too]].

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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' has the Metarex versus Tsali, [[{{Satan}} Maledict]] versus the Metarex, and [[EldritchAbomination Dark Tails]] against ''[[OmnicidalNeutral everyone]]''. The overarching conflict between Maledict and Allysion [[JerkassGods [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks can be seen as this too]].too]], Maledict is the biblical Satan and all-around ManipulativeBastard, while Allysion is a crazed psychopath who wants to watch the universe burn and torture everything ForTheEvulz.
6th Aug '16 5:31:47 AM lalalei2001
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* In ''WebComic/TheSearchForHenryJekyll'', Hyde gains a villainous rival when he injects Dr. Lanyon with [=HJ7=], giving him an evil split personality and a personal interest in Hyde and Jekyll.
30th Jul '16 12:20:15 PM Art199
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However, there's a problem with this. Heroes are very popular because people take a liking in their benevolent acts. This is probably because people are, to some small extent, [[RousseauWasRight basically good]]; they like watching other people be happy, succeed against all odds, and so forth. [[HumansAreBastards At least most of the time anyways]]. The reason villains lose all the time is because they do things that make the audience unhappy; after all, [[CaptainObvious that's their purpose for being villains]]. Watching [[TheBadGuyWins a villain defeat the heroes]] and [[DownerEnding plunge the world into darkness and suffering]] might be refreshing at first, but it leaves a bad taste in their mouth.

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However, there's a problem with this. Heroes are very popular because people take a liking in their benevolent acts. This is probably because people are, to some small extent, [[RousseauWasRight basically good]]; they like watching other people be happy, succeed against all odds, and so forth. [[HumansAreBastards At least most of the time anyways]]. The reason villains lose all much of the time is because they do things that make the audience unhappy; after all, [[CaptainObvious that's their purpose for being villains]].unhappy. Watching [[TheBadGuyWins a villain defeat the heroes]] and [[DownerEnding plunge the world into darkness and suffering]] might be refreshing at first, but it leaves a bad taste in their mouth.
18th Jul '16 2:17:02 AM Morgenthaler
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*** [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Tarquin]] prefers to [[DefiedTrope avoid]] this trope when possible. While he obviously doesn't want [[BigBad Xykon]] to succeed in his plans, villain vs villain conflicts tend to be "a toss-up", in his words.

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*** [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Tarquin]] Tarquin prefers to [[DefiedTrope avoid]] this trope when possible. While he obviously doesn't want [[BigBad Xykon]] to succeed in his plans, villain vs villain conflicts tend to be "a toss-up", in his words.
5th Jul '16 8:50:39 PM Discar
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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''FanFic/TheBridge'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler: Bagan]] and OutsideContextVillain [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta RED]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there.

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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''FanFic/TheBridge'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler: Bagan]] and OutsideContextVillain OutsideContextProblem [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta RED]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there.
19th Jun '16 6:18:18 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Though less common than Face vs. Face, and FAR less common than Face vs. Heel, sometimes happens in pro wrestling, particularly when Wrestling/VinceRusso is at the helm. Making one a success can be difficult though, since one of the cardinal rules of any match is that the audience should be rooting for ''someone''. That said, it can work if the match is [[HeelFaceTurn a prelude for one of the Heels to turn Face]].

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* Though less common than Face vs. Face, and FAR less common than Face {{Face}} vs. Heel, {{Heel}}, sometimes happens in pro wrestling, particularly when Wrestling/VinceRusso is at the helm. Making one a success can be difficult though, since one of the cardinal rules of any match is that the audience should be rooting for ''someone''. That said, it can work if the match is [[HeelFaceTurn a prelude for one of the Heels to turn Face]].


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* Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling is known particularly for the rivalries between Great Bash Heel, CHAOS, Suzuki gun, Wrestling/BulletClub and Los Ingobernables De Japon. In Wrestling/RingOfHonor Bullet Club has also gone after The Kingdom and The House Of Truth, though they ironically had a HeelFaceTurn before The Kingdom splintered and it's centerpiece, Adam Cole, [[VillainTeamUp joined the Club]] in exchange for a shot at heel world champion Wrestling/JayLethal.
13th Jun '16 7:21:30 AM MagBas
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* Most people would agree, that the war between Third Reich and Soviet Union was just that. There were two totalitarian empires, with their regimes, ruthless leaders, milions of victims and lust for power. After Stalin won, the entire Western Europe fell under the Russian influence, which started ofer 40 years long cold war and put the entire humanity in danger of nuclear annihilation. Of course, it could have been even worse if Hitler got it his way, but it's still doesn't make USSR any less evil.
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[[folder:Real Life]]
* Most people would agree, that the war between Third Reich and Soviet Union was just that. There were two totalitarian empires, with their regimes, ruthless leaders, milions of victims and lust for power. After Stalin won, the entire Western Europe fell under the Russian influence, which started ofer 40 years long cold war and put the entire humanity in danger of nuclear annihilation. Of course, it could have been even worse if Hitler got it his way, but it's still doesn't make USSR any less evil.
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