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28th Sep '16 5:45:55 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan3'', Sandman tries to talk Spider-Man out of battling him.
* Grí­ma Wormtongue in ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' is notably in favour of peace... or at least of Rohan refraining from military action. However, this is [[TheMole just an act]] to allow his true master, Saruman, to pillage Rohan's countryside and slaughter its people with impunity.
* In the Creator/ValLewton film ''The Seventh Victim'' the antagonists are pacifist [[spoiler: Satanists]] who refuse to kill, and instead find ways to drive the title character to kill herself.
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[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]
* In ''Film/SpiderMan3'', Sandman tries to talk Spider-Man out of battling him.
* Grí­ma Wormtongue in ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' is notably in favour of peace... or at least of Rohan refraining from military action. However, this is [[TheMole just an act]] to allow his true master, Saruman, to pillage Rohan's countryside and slaughter its people with impunity.
* In the Creator/ValLewton film ''The Seventh Victim'' the antagonists are pacifist [[spoiler: Satanists]] who refuse to kill, and instead find ways to drive the title character to kill herself.
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18th Sep '16 3:10:02 PM zarpaulus
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Stellaris}}'' Decadent Hierarchy-type AI empires are pacifists, and slavers.
16th Aug '16 2:08:42 AM PaulA
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* Overlapping with AMillionIsAStatistic, the Komarran terrorists of the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'' novel ''Komarr'' are pleasant, non-violent intellectuals who are very distressed when they inadvertently cause the death of a colleague and the other deaths they cause in the novel are similarly accidental. They are also oblivious to the fact that their plan to cut off all interplanetary travel to Barrayar would kill ''millions'' of people via starvation and technological collapse.
** To be perhaps overly fair, [[NecessarilyEvil they fully expect to be killed for their deeds]], either by Barrayarans or their own countryman who aren't grateful for their actions.

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* Overlapping with AMillionIsAStatistic, the Komarran terrorists of the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'' novel ''Komarr'' ''Literature/{{Komarr}}'' are pleasant, non-violent intellectuals who are very distressed when they inadvertently cause the death of a colleague and the other deaths they cause in the novel are similarly accidental. They are also oblivious to the fact that their plan to cut off all interplanetary travel to Barrayar would kill ''millions'' of people via starvation and technological collapse.
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collapse. To be perhaps overly fair, [[NecessarilyEvil they fully expect to be killed for their deeds]], either by Barrayarans or their own countryman who aren't grateful for their actions.
11th Jun '16 3:48:50 PM nombretomado
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* The ''SwordOfTruth'' infamously has evil pacifists, although they are closer to a [[StrawmanPolitical different trope]].

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* The ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' infamously has evil pacifists, although they are closer to a [[StrawmanPolitical different trope]].
29th May '16 10:23:14 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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Bad guys aren't usually pacifists, [[TechnicalPacifist technical]] or [[ActualPacifist otherwise]]. Even if their goals don't necessarily require force (such as embezzlement or fraud), then there's still a good chance they either resort to violence or indicate that violence is a desirable option for them ("You cross me, you're finished.") in the course of the story. Being any sort of pacifist is a sign the villain is an AntiVillain, HarmlessVillain, or at least AffablyEvil.

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Bad guys aren't usually pacifists, [[TechnicalPacifist technical]] or [[ActualPacifist otherwise]]. Even if their goals don't necessarily require force (such as embezzlement or fraud), then there's still a good chance they either resort to violence or indicate that violence is a desirable option for them ("You cross me, you're finished.") in the course of the story. Being any sort of pacifist is generally a sign the villain is an AntiVillain, HarmlessVillain, or at least AffablyEvil.



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8th Nov '15 7:53:36 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->[[TheDragon Ellen]], with this I am certain. A peace-loving idiot is much scarier than anyone with dementia. [[WarIsHell Let's]] [[WarForFunAndProfit check]] [[MurderIsTheBestSolution it]] [[ColdBloodedTorture our]] [[ChaosIsEvil way]].

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->[[TheDragon Ellen]], ->Ellen, with this I am certain. A peace-loving idiot is much scarier than anyone with dementia. [[WarIsHell Let's]] [[WarForFunAndProfit check]] [[MurderIsTheBestSolution it]] [[ColdBloodedTorture our]] [[ChaosIsEvil way]].Let's check it our way.
8th Nov '15 7:51:47 PM nombretomado
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* Akio Ohtori from ''RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' avoids violence to the last moment, preferring to talk his victims down. He only grabs a sword personally when the heroine leaves him absolutely no choice, and even then he leaves the ''coup de grace'' [[spoiler:to his sister.]]

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* Akio Ohtori from ''RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' avoids violence to the last moment, preferring to talk his victims down. He only grabs a sword personally when the heroine leaves him absolutely no choice, and even then he leaves the ''coup de grace'' [[spoiler:to his sister.]]
1st Aug '15 10:44:29 PM phoenix
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* In WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego Carmen would rather get caught than kill or severely injure anyone while committing her thefts.

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* In WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego ''WesternAnimation/WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego'', Carmen would rather get caught than kill or severely injure anyone while committing her thefts.
6th May '15 9:19:45 AM StFan
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* Subverted in the LeftBehind novels, at least initially; [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Nicolae]] [[DesignatedVillain Capathia]] starts his political career as an outspoken pacifist pushing for global disarmament.

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* Subverted in the LeftBehind ''Literature/LeftBehind'' novels, at least initially; [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Nicolae]] [[DesignatedVillain Capathia]] starts his political career as an outspoken pacifist pushing for global disarmament.



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* In [[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man 3]], Sandman tries to talk Spider-Man out of battling him.
* Grí­ma Wormtongue in ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' is notably in favour of peace ... or at least of Rohan refraining from military action. However, this is [[TheMole just an act]] to allow his true master, Saruman, to pillage Rohan's countryside and slaughter its people with impunity.
* In the ValLewton film ''The Seventh Victim'' the antagonists are pacifist [[spoiler: Satanists]] who refuse to kill, and instead find ways to drive the titular character to kill herself.

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[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]
* In [[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man 3]], ''Film/SpiderMan3'', Sandman tries to talk Spider-Man out of battling him.
* Grí­ma Wormtongue in ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' is notably in favour of peace ...peace... or at least of Rohan refraining from military action. However, this is [[TheMole just an act]] to allow his true master, Saruman, to pillage Rohan's countryside and slaughter its people with impunity.
* In the ValLewton Creator/ValLewton film ''The Seventh Victim'' the antagonists are pacifist [[spoiler: Satanists]] who refuse to kill, and instead find ways to drive the titular title character to kill herself.
5th May '15 8:08:54 AM PrimeSoundwave
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->'''Sir Isaac Ray Peram Westcott:''' [[TheDragon Ellen]], with this I am certain. A peace-loving idiot is much scarier than anyone with dementia. [[WarIsHell Let's]] [[WarForFunAndProfit check]] [[MurderIsTheBestSolution it]] [[ColdBloodedTorture our]] [[ChaosIsEvil way]].
-->-- ''LightNovel/DateALive''

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->'''Sir Isaac Ray Peram Westcott:''' [[TheDragon ->[[TheDragon Ellen]], with this I am certain. A peace-loving idiot is much scarier than anyone with dementia. [[WarIsHell Let's]] [[WarForFunAndProfit check]] [[MurderIsTheBestSolution it]] [[ColdBloodedTorture our]] [[ChaosIsEvil way]].
-->-- '''Sir Isaac Ray Peram Westcott''', ''LightNovel/DateALive''
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