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18th Jan '17 9:33:34 AM gaimanite.pkat
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** Or, he's in love with Othello.
10th Jan '17 11:47:50 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* Parodied on a Not the Nine O'Clock News episode. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U Watch it here.]]

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Parodied on a Not the Nine O'Clock News episode. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U Watch it here.]]



** Eleven "saves the soul of a rich man" in "A Christmas Carol". Ten is supposed to be Madame de Pompadour's angel.
* There are plenty of suggestions of a religious subtext in Creator/RussellTDavies' work, from the obvious ''Series/TheSecondComing'' to the Host in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story "Voyage of the Damned" to (some say) the Doctor almost turning into Jesus in "Last of the Time Lords". Not to mention the Resurrection Glove (and a guest appearance by Death) in ''Series/{{Torchwood}}''. (Whether most of this is supposed to mean anything, however, is a different question.)

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** Eleven "saves the soul of a rich man" in "A Christmas Carol".
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Ten is supposed to be Madame de Pompadour's angel.
* ** There are plenty of suggestions of a religious subtext in Creator/RussellTDavies' work, from the obvious ''Series/TheSecondComing'' to the Host in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story "Voyage of the Damned" to (some say) the Doctor almost turning into Jesus in "Last of the Time Lords". Not to mention the Resurrection Glove (and a guest appearance by Death) in ''Series/{{Torchwood}}''. (Whether most of this is supposed to mean anything, however, is a different question.)
10th Jan '17 11:34:15 AM ChaoticNovelist
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Please don't use this page for any kind of possible symbolism. That turns this page into less of a trope and more of a WMG guess for every possible work and situation. Keep the title in mind when adding examples.



%%* ''RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' seems to attract this like flies and naturally, InternetBackdraft erupts when people try to discuss what it's an allegory for.

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%%* ''RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' seems to attract this like flies and naturally, InternetBackdraft erupts when people try to discuss what it's an allegory for.



* It's even more pronounced with the Franchise/XMen. Over the years it became so common to see Marvel's mutants as a metaphor for Blacks (with Charles Xavier and Magneto as stand-ins for UsefulNotes/MartinLutherKingJr and UsefulNotes/MalcolmX, respectively), gays, or other specific or non-specific minorities, that some fans see it as a "violation" of what the story is supposedly about when a particular plot or character's behaviour does not fit in with their interpretation of choice. Some writers consciously or subconsciously fed this by modeling the mutants' plight in particular storylines on that of real-life minorities, which also led to fans squabbling amongst themselves as to whether the X-Men are more a metaphor for race or for homosexuality, and also to the tendency among some fans to consider "ugly" mutants "truer" mutants than "pretty" mutants. All this often loses sight of the fact that Marvel's mutants started out as a fairly standard science-fiction "super-race" melded with the standard Silver Age superhero conventions. Thus during the first two decades of the X-Men's existence the default was to maintain a SecretIdentity and hide that one was a mutant from the public, which would have some rather UnfortunateImplications if the feature had been intended as a metaphor of or a comment on the situation of a minority within society in the real world.

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* It's even more pronounced with the Franchise/XMen. Over the years it became so common to see Marvel's mutants as a metaphor for Blacks (with Charles Xavier and Magneto as stand-ins for UsefulNotes/MartinLutherKingJr and UsefulNotes/MalcolmX, respectively), gays, or other specific or non-specific minorities, that some fans see it as a "violation" of what the story is supposedly about when a particular plot or character's behaviour does not fit in with their interpretation of choice. Some writers consciously or subconsciously fed this by modeling the mutants' plight in particular storylines on that of real-life minorities, which also led to fans squabbling amongst themselves as to whether the X-Men are more a metaphor for race or for homosexuality, and also to the tendency among some fans to consider "ugly" mutants "truer" mutants than "pretty" mutants. All this often loses sight of the fact that Marvel's mutants started out as a fairly standard science-fiction "super-race" melded with the standard Silver Age superhero conventions. Thus during the first two decades of the X-Men's existence the default was to maintain a SecretIdentity and hide that one was a mutant from the public, which would have some rather UnfortunateImplications if the feature had been intended as a metaphor of or a comment on the situation of a minority within society in the real world.



* In an in-universe example, in ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'', the LemonyNarrator considers everything to be a symbol. Even certain word choice from ancient sources. She spent three paragraphs analyzing the meaning behind the inclusion of the word hellfire before concluding that it meant an evil fire.

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* In an in-universe example, in ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'', the LemonyNarrator considers everything to be a symbol.symbol, such as religious allegory. Even certain word choice from ancient sources. She spent three paragraphs analyzing the meaning behind the inclusion of the word hellfire before concluding that it meant an evil fire.



* In one of his books, ''I Have Landed'', Stephen Jay Gould discussed how many critics thought there was a symbolic meaning to the references to butterflies in Creator/VladimirNabokov's novels.



** This claim is put forth by Loki, the exiled Angel of Death, in ''[[ViewAskewniverse Dogma]]'', in his attempt to convince a nun that God does not exist. He wins and tells her to buy herself a nice dress and go find a man...or woman.
** From Wikipedia: "In ''The Annotated Alice,'' Martin Gardner noted that when Creator/LewisCarroll gave the manuscript for ''Through the Looking-Glass'' to illustrator John Tenniel, he gave him the choice of drawing a carpenter, a butterfly, or a baronet (since each word would fit the poem's meter). Tenniel chose the carpenter. Because of this, the carpenter's significance in the poem is probably not in his profession. Although the two characters of the poem were interpreted later as two political types, there is no indication of what Carroll may have intended; Gardner cautions the reader that there isn't too much intended symbolism in the ''Alice'' books; the books were made for the imagination of children, not the analysis of "mad people". (Others have claimed that they're clearly about logic, but the imagination of children part is certainly a nice side dish.)

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** * ''[[ViewAskewniverse Dogma]]'': This claim is put forth by Loki, the exiled Angel of Death, in ''[[ViewAskewniverse Dogma]]'', in his attempt to convince a nun that God does not exist. He wins and tells her to buy herself a nice dress and go find a man...or woman.
** * From Wikipedia: "In ''The Annotated Alice,'' Martin Gardner noted that when Creator/LewisCarroll gave the manuscript for ''Through the Looking-Glass'' to illustrator John Tenniel, he gave him the choice of drawing a carpenter, a butterfly, or a baronet (since each word would fit the poem's meter). Tenniel chose the carpenter. Because of this, [[MessianicArchetype the carpenter's significance in the poem is probably not in his profession.profession]]. Although the two characters of the poem were interpreted later as two political types, there is no indication of what Carroll may have intended; Gardner cautions the reader that there isn't too much intended symbolism in the ''Alice'' books; the books were made for the imagination of children, not the analysis of "mad people". (Others have claimed that they're clearly about logic, but the imagination of children part is certainly a nice side dish.)



* The Greek poet and [[UsefulNotes/NobelPrizeInLiterature Literature Nobel Prize winner]] Odysseas Elytis once attended a celebration in his honor, where samples of his work were read and then had their meaning analyzed in detail by distinguished scholars. When his turn came to speak and thank everybody, he put his tongue in his cheek and gave special credit to the scholars for finding more depth to his poetry than even he had thought of.
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* ''Anime/HaibaneRenmei'' was made to induce this kind of thing. Though they take a lot of the fun out by making the 'purgatory' part so literal and obvious. That aside, Creator/YoshitoshiABe also doesn't seem to be much of a fan of the WordOfGod approach, encouraging viewers to come to their own conclusions about the specifics of the symbolism.
** Creator/YoshitoshiABe was involved with ''Anime/SerialExperimentsLain'', ''Anime/HaibaneRenmei'', and ''Anime/{{Texhnolyze}}''. The person behind the story concepts was in fact the producer, Yasuyuki Ueda. The only one of the three where [=ABe=] contributed more than character designs was his pet project, ''Haibane Renmei''. Ueda and [=ABe=] later joked about this, saying that ''Anime/NieaUnder7'' and ''Haibane Renmei'' proved that [=ABe=] was the earnest and hardworking one.

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* ''Anime/HaibaneRenmei'' was made to induce this kind of thing. Though they take a lot of the fun out by making the 'purgatory' part so literal and obvious. That aside, Creator/YoshitoshiABe also doesn't seem to be much of a fan of the WordOfGod approach, encouraging viewers to come to their own conclusions about the specifics of the symbolism.
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symbolism. Creator/YoshitoshiABe was also involved with ''Anime/SerialExperimentsLain'', ''Anime/HaibaneRenmei'', ''Anime/SerialExperimentsLain'' and ''Anime/{{Texhnolyze}}''. The person behind the story concepts was in fact the producer, Yasuyuki Ueda. The only one of the three where [=ABe=] contributed more than character designs was his pet project, ''Haibane Renmei''. Ueda and [=ABe=] later joked about this, saying that ''Anime/NieaUnder7'' and ''Haibane Renmei'' proved that [=ABe=] was the earnest and hardworking one.



* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Angels fight humans and create cross shaped explosions. There's talk of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the NERV logo is the name covered in part by a fig leaf with the creed "God's in his heaven; all is right with the world." What does it mean? Who knows. See MindScrew above.
** Anno has made some statements on what it all means: absolutely nothing. The Christian imagery was put in solely to give the show an edge over other mecha anime.

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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Angels fight humans and create cross shaped explosions. There's talk of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the NERV logo is the name covered in part by a fig leaf with the creed "God's in his heaven; all is right with the world." What does it mean? Who knows. See MindScrew above.
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Anno has made some statements on what it all means: absolutely nothing. The Christian imagery was put in solely to give the show an edge over other mecha anime.



* Somebody came up with the idea that the ComicBook/FantasticFour represent the four elements (Thing is Earth, Invisible Woman is Air, Human Torch is Fire (duh), and Mr. Fantastic is Water). This sounds like something that was developed retroactively. Creator/StanLee has no problem with being labeled a genius, so he hasn't discouraged this. It's lampshaded in the "Ultimate" version. The specific reasons why are in their entry in FourElementEnsemble
** When Creator/JohnByrne took over the title in the 80s, one of his first issues features the Four fighting four elementals, who were ordered not to face their counterparts, thus making the mapping explicit. Creator/NeilGaiman later took advantage of the scheme for his ''''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'''' version of the Fantastic Four.

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* Somebody came up with the idea that the ComicBook/FantasticFour represent the four elements (Thing is Earth, Invisible Woman is Air, Human Torch is Fire (duh), and Mr. Fantastic is Water). This sounds like something that was developed retroactively. Creator/StanLee has no problem with being labeled a genius, so he hasn't discouraged this. It's lampshaded in the "Ultimate" version. The specific reasons why are in their entry in FourElementEnsemble
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FourElementEnsemble. When Creator/JohnByrne took over the title in the 80s, one of his first issues features the Four fighting four elementals, who were ordered not to face their counterparts, thus making the mapping explicit. Creator/NeilGaiman later took advantage of the scheme for his ''''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'''' version of the Fantastic Four.



* In ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'', a common theory is that Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin is a way of making fun of Christian evangelism, because there's no evidence for the Great Pumpkin's existence, and Linus tries to convince people he's real. The fact that Linus often [[AsTheGoodBookSays quotes from the Bible]] adds more fuel, as does the strip where Linus travels from door to door asking people if they've heard of the Great Pumpkin, in the manner of a Jehovah's Witness; when Peppermint Patty decided to believe in the Great Pumpkin (she needed a new baseball glove) Marcie called Linus and told him that he had "a disciple". This has been officially {{Jossed}}, with Charles Schulz claiming that the only inspiration for the Great Pumpkin was that he thought it would be funny if a character believed in a Santa Claus-like figure for Halloween.
** A darkly existential take on Linus and the Great Pumpkin can be found [[http://www.reverseshot.com/archive/entry/206/its_the_great_pumpkin_charlie_brown here]].

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* In ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'', a common theory is that Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin is a way of making fun of Christian evangelism, because there's no evidence for the Great Pumpkin's existence, and Linus tries to convince people he's real. The fact that Linus often [[AsTheGoodBookSays quotes from the Bible]] adds more fuel, as does the strip where Linus travels from door to door asking people if they've heard of the Great Pumpkin, in the manner of a Jehovah's Witness; when Peppermint Patty decided to believe in the Great Pumpkin (she needed a new baseball glove) Marcie called Linus and told him that he had "a disciple". This has been officially {{Jossed}}, with Charles Schulz claiming that the only inspiration for the Great Pumpkin was that he thought it would be funny if a character believed in a Santa Claus-like figure for Halloween.
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Halloween. A darkly existential take on Linus and the Great Pumpkin can be found [[http://www.reverseshot.com/archive/entry/206/its_the_great_pumpkin_charlie_brown here]].



* ''Film/PulpFiction'' possesses several plot points that are subject to this; one revolves around the mysterious glowing contents of Marcellus Wallace's briefcase that are never explained (with one popular theory being that it is Wallace's soul, which he bought back from [[{{Satan}} Mr. S.]] and another being the reason for a band-aid that is prominently displayed on Wallace's bald head as it is filmed from the back. The first is merely a plot MacGuffin that Tarantino never bothered to explain; the second is merely a result of actor Ving Rhames (who played Wallace) cutting the back of his head whilst shaving it and requiring a band-aid to stop the bleeding. Let's face it: it's ''cooler'' if you [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic give it cosmic overtones]]. Tarantino's official response about the briefcase was a fairly lackluster "[[ShrugOfGod whatever the audience wants it to be.]]" For the record, it was originally supposed to be the diamonds from ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', but Tarantino decided to leave it deliberately ambiguous for the sake of this type of discussion.
** Tarantino [[WordOfGod once stated in an interview]] that he saw it as an allegory to the Arthurian Legend, with Wallace as King Arthur, Vince as Lancelot, Jules as Galahad, Butch as Mordred, The Wolf as Merlin, and the briefcase containing the Holy Grail.

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* ''Film/PulpFiction'' possesses several plot points that are subject to this; one revolves around the mysterious glowing contents of Marcellus Wallace's briefcase that are never explained (with one popular theory being that it is Wallace's soul, which he bought back from [[{{Satan}} Mr. S.]] and another being the reason for a band-aid that is prominently displayed on Wallace's bald head as it is filmed from the back. The first is merely a plot MacGuffin that Tarantino never bothered to explain; the second is merely a result of actor Ving Rhames (who played Wallace) cutting the back of his head whilst shaving it and requiring a band-aid to stop the bleeding. Let's face it: it's ''cooler'' if you [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic give it cosmic overtones]]. Tarantino's official response about the briefcase was a fairly lackluster "[[ShrugOfGod whatever the audience wants it to be.]]" For the record, it was originally supposed to be the diamonds from ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', but Tarantino decided to leave it deliberately ambiguous for the sake of this type of discussion.
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discussion. Tarantino [[WordOfGod once stated in an interview]] that he saw it as an allegory to the Arthurian Legend, with Wallace as King Arthur, Vince as Lancelot, Jules as Galahad, Butch as Mordred, The Wolf as Merlin, and the briefcase containing the Holy Grail.



** Of course, if it is a Mormon treatise, it's a really terrible one. Joseph Smith is reluctant to make Bella Mormon even when she desperately wants to convert?



* All seven books in ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' have been claimed to be AnAesop focusing on one of the SevenDeadlySins. This just goes to show that this trope applies even when there's plenty of real, valid symbolism, allegory, and "supposition" to choose from. Later still, a book was published saying that each novel corresponds with one of the seven heavens of the medieval cosmos.
** Creator/CSLewis has specified how the books compare with Christianity: "''The Magician's Nephew'' tells the Creation and how evil entered Narnia, ''The Lion etc.'' -- the Crucifixion and Resurrection, ''Prince Caspian'' -- restoration of the true religion after a corruption, ''The Horse and His Boy'' -- the calling and conversion of the heathen, ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' -- the spiritual life (especially in Reepicheep), ''The Silver Chair'' -- the continuing war against the powers of darkness, ''The Last Battle'' -- the coming of Antichrist (the ape). The end of the world and the last judgement." ([[http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarnia/a/chroniclenarnia.htm Source]])

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* All seven books in ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' have been claimed to be AnAesop focusing on one of the SevenDeadlySins. This just goes to show that this trope applies even when there's plenty of real, valid symbolism, allegory, and "supposition" to choose from. Later still, a book was published saying that each novel corresponds with one of the seven heavens of the medieval cosmos.
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cosmos. Creator/CSLewis has specified how the books compare with Christianity: "''The Magician's Nephew'' tells the Creation and how evil entered Narnia, ''The Lion etc.'' -- the Crucifixion and Resurrection, ''Prince Caspian'' -- restoration of the true religion after a corruption, ''The Horse and His Boy'' -- the calling and conversion of the heathen, ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' -- the spiritual life (especially in Reepicheep), ''The Silver Chair'' -- the continuing war against the powers of darkness, ''The Last Battle'' -- the coming of Antichrist (the ape). The end of the world and the last judgement." ([[http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarnia/a/chroniclenarnia.htm Source]])



* Despite Creator/DouglasAdams explicitly saying that the number 42 was randomly chosen with no intended hidden meaning in ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', EpilepticTrees involving everything from base thirteen to Tibetan monks continue to live on.

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* ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'':
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Despite Creator/DouglasAdams explicitly saying that the number 42 was randomly chosen with no intended hidden meaning in ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', meaning, EpilepticTrees involving everything from base thirteen to Tibetan monks continue to live on.



* Creator/JRRTolkien. Poor, poor Tolkien. You can't write a successful good-versus-evil story in the twentieth century without every other English High School teacher hijacking it for a lesson on metaphors. He stated in the introduction of the first volume that no, it's not an allegory of any kind (and he disliked [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia straightforward allegories]] anyway), and doubly no, not one on fascism, The Bomb or what have you. Doesn't stop some teachers who cite The Inklings, the informal group of literary scholars of which he was a member, and included people like Charles Williams (notorious for allegory) and C.S. Lewis (notorious Christian convert).

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* Creator/JRRTolkien. Poor, poor Tolkien. Creator/JRRTolkien.
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You can't write a successful good-versus-evil story in the twentieth century without every other English High School teacher hijacking it for a lesson on metaphors. He stated in the introduction of the first volume that no, it's not an allegory of any kind (and he disliked [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia straightforward allegories]] anyway), and doubly no, not one on fascism, The Bomb or what have you. Doesn't stop some teachers who cite The Inklings, the informal group of literary scholars of which he was a member, and included people like Charles Williams (notorious for allegory) and C.S. Lewis (notorious Christian convert).



* ''Series/{{Lost}}'' is a series with much deep meaning and symbolism, but many fans take it too far. This is, after all, the fandom where the name for EpilepticTrees came from. There are even theories that include this exact trope title, which have already been discredited by the WordOfGod and the show itself, as [[spoiler:the survivors escape alive into the outside world, plus characters come to the Island from what is clearly an existent world]]. Yet people still claim they are in Purgatory.
** Everyone is Jesus indeed. There's...
*** The omniscient character
*** The omniscient character's son, whom she [[spoiler:sends to the island to die to save it]].
*** The baby born with a prophecy.
*** The character who looks like Jesus, [[spoiler:dies arms spread then gets resurrected]].
*** The character named Christian Shepherd.
*** The [[spoiler:god who dies]].
** [[spoiler:"The End" reveals that everyone, after they die, ''will end up as'' Jesus in Purgatory. The "flash-sideways" timeline turned out to be a flash-''forward'' to a "meeting place" of sorts, where the cast of the show was already dead and had to find each other and remember their past life on the island before they could move on to the next/afterlife]].

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* ''Series/{{Lost}}'' ''Series/{{Lost}}'':
** The series
is a series with much deep meaning and symbolism, but many fans take it too far. This is, after all, the fandom where the name for EpilepticTrees came from. There are even theories that include this exact trope title, which have already been discredited by the WordOfGod and the show itself, as [[spoiler:the survivors escape alive into the outside world, plus characters come to the Island from what is clearly an existent world]]. Yet people still claim they are in Purgatory.
** Everyone is Jesus indeed. There's...
*** The
Purgatory; for them, there's the omniscient character
*** The
character, the omniscient character's son, whom son (whom she [[spoiler:sends to the island to die to save it]].
*** The
it]]), the baby born with a prophecy.
*** The
prophecy, the character who looks like Jesus, [[spoiler:dies arms spread then gets resurrected]].
*** The
resurrected]]; the character named Christian Shepherd.
*** The [[spoiler:god
Shepherd, and [[spoiler:the god who dies]].
** [[spoiler:"The "The End" reveals that everyone, [[spoiler:everyone, after they die, ''will end up as'' Jesus in Purgatory. The "flash-sideways" timeline turned out to be a flash-''forward'' to a "meeting place" of sorts, where the cast of the show was already dead and had to find each other and remember their past life on the island before they could move on to the next/afterlife]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' is utterly rife with symbolism, particularly symbols and language that make it clear that certain factions are meant to stand in for things we have in the real world, such as Christianity, science and, more obviously, nature worship. While these forces all have very clear-cut domains, in theory, the waters are so muddied that it is almost impossible to tell what the overall allegory is. The most you can really tell is that that the developers seemed to think that the early Christians persecuted the Pagans rather than vise-versa and that the world of Thief is apparently run by fanatics of various kinds who both create and solve all its problems.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'':
** The game
is utterly rife with symbolism, particularly symbols and language that make it clear that certain factions are meant to stand in for things we have in the real world, such as Christianity, science and, more obviously, nature worship. While these forces all have very clear-cut domains, in theory, the waters are so muddied that it is almost impossible to tell what the overall allegory is. The most you can really tell is that that the developers seemed to think that the early Christians persecuted the Pagans rather than vise-versa and that the world of Thief is apparently run by fanatics of various kinds who both create and solve all its problems.



* ''SonicTheHedgehog2006'' is considered a metaphor for the Rapture with...

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* ''SonicTheHedgehog2006'' ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' is considered a metaphor for the Rapture with...



** The Game Theorists channel on Website/{{Youtube}} pulls the purgatory card with its theory that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1SVkysIRw Link is dead in the game and the real quest is to accept his death and move on]].[[note]] This theory has now been completely debunked with the revelation that the Hero's Shade seen in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' is actually "VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask"'s Link, which means he survived the events in that game, at least long enough to grow up into an adult.[[/note]]

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** The Game Theorists channel on Website/{{Youtube}} pulls the purgatory card with its theory that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1SVkysIRw Link is dead in the game and the real quest is to accept his death and move on]].[[note]] This [[note]]This theory has now been completely debunked with the revelation that the Hero's Shade seen in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' is actually "VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask"'s Link, which means he survived the events in that game, at least long enough to grow up into an adult.adult; Termina's nature as a parallel dimension to Hyrule also contradicts the theory.[[/note]]



* SpecOpsTheLine is a MindScrew of a game which did an amazing job of pretending to be a second-rate ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' clone. The game's demo and press featured none of its blatantly PostModern plot inspired by ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' and ''Film/ApocalypseNow''. The game is rife with LeaningOnTheFourthWall, WhatTheHellPlayer, and a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech aimed ''at the player''. The devs have stated that scenes which fade to white are hallucinations and scenes which fade to black are real - and all the endings fade to white. Fans have concluded that one of the best explanations for what happens in the game is that the protagonist is either already dead or trapped in a hellish DyingDream to serve as his IronicHell. The dev's response has been a ShrugOfGod and stating that it's certainly a valid interpretation of events.

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* SpecOpsTheLine ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' is a MindScrew of a game which did an amazing job of pretending to be a second-rate ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' clone. The game's demo and press featured none of its blatantly PostModern plot inspired by ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' and ''Film/ApocalypseNow''. The game is rife with LeaningOnTheFourthWall, WhatTheHellPlayer, and a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech aimed ''at the player''. The devs have stated that scenes which fade to white are hallucinations and scenes which fade to black are real - and all the endings fade to white. Fans have concluded that one of the best explanations for what happens in the game is that the protagonist is either already dead or trapped in a hellish DyingDream to serve as his IronicHell. The dev's developers' response has been a ShrugOfGod and stating that it's certainly a valid interpretation of events.events. In fact, from their point of view, it [[GoneHorriblyRight was too effective at deceiving everyone]]; lots of players judged the game on the merits they would judge a typical war shooter, while the sort of gamer who would value its dark plot and innovative narrative style would be turned off by it ''looking'' just like every other shooter [[FollowTheLeader following the leader]].



** From the dev's point of view, it [[GoneHorriblyRight was too effective at deceiving everyone]]; lots of players judged the game on the merits they would judge a typical war shooter, while the sort of gamer who would value it's dark plot and innovative narrative style would be turned off by it ''looking'' just like every other shooter [[FollowTheLeader following the leader]].
5th Jan '17 12:00:22 PM SeptimusHeap
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See FreudWasRight (for sexual/phallic, subconscious symbolism), GettingCrapPastTheRadar (for crowdsourced sexual/phallic, subconscious symbolism), WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical (for political symbolism), and WildMassGuessing if you really want to blow your mind. Compare MessianicArchetype for characters with more obvious parallels to a Christ figure. Not to be confused with EveryoneIsSatanInHell, where something good is portrayed as bad, (relevant that it is not confused due to the popularity of "everyone is ''Dante'' in hell" as an alternate form of this) and DracoInLeatherPants when something bad is portrayed as good.

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See FreudWasRight (for sexual/phallic, subconscious symbolism), symbolism when it's referenced in-story), GettingCrapPastTheRadar (for crowdsourced sexual/phallic, subconscious symbolism), WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical (for political symbolism), and WildMassGuessing if you really want to blow your mind. Compare MessianicArchetype for characters with more obvious parallels to a Christ figure. Not to be confused with EveryoneIsSatanInHell, where something good is portrayed as bad, (relevant that it is not confused due to the popularity of "everyone is ''Dante'' in hell" as an alternate form of this) and DracoInLeatherPants when something bad is portrayed as good.
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%%* [[http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson509.html This]] ''SurvivingTheWorld'' piece sums it up.

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%%* [[http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson509.html This]] ''SurvivingTheWorld'' ''Webcomic/SurvivingTheWorld'' piece sums it up.
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* In an in-universe example, in ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'', the LemonyNarrator considers everything to be a symbol. Even certain word choice from ancient sources. She spent three paragraphs analyzing the meaning behind the inclusion of the word hellfire before concluding that it meant an evil fire.

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* In an in-universe example, ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'', a common theory is that Linus' belief in ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'', the LemonyNarrator considers Great Pumpkin is a way of making fun of Christian evangelism, because there's no evidence for the Great Pumpkin's existence, and Linus tries to convince people he's real. The fact that Linus often [[AsTheGoodBookSays quotes from the Bible]] adds more fuel, as does the strip where Linus travels from door to door asking people if they've heard of the Great Pumpkin, in the manner of a Jehovah's Witness; when Peppermint Patty decided to believe in the Great Pumpkin (she needed a new baseball glove) Marcie called Linus and told him that he had "a disciple". This has been officially {{Jossed}}, with Charles Schulz claiming that the only inspiration for the Great Pumpkin was that he thought it would be funny if a character believed in a Santa Claus-like figure for Halloween.
** A darkly existential take on Linus and the Great Pumpkin can be found [[http://www.reverseshot.com/archive/entry/206/its_the_great_pumpkin_charlie_brown here]].
%%* [[http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pearlsdeconstruction.jpg Hilariously parodied]] in ''ComicStrip/PearlsBeforeSwine''.
* A ''{{ComicStrip/Garfield}}'' [[http://www.retrojunk.com/article/show/417/the-death-of-garfield Halloween storyline]] in 1989 depicted Garfield waking up and finding everyone and
everything he knew to be a symbol. Even certain word choice from ancient sources. She spent three paragraphs analyzing gone and broken down. The storyline ended with Garfield embracing denial and suddenly Jon and Odie are back in front of him. A fan theory began on the meaning behind Internet suggesting that every strip since that point has been Garfield slowly starving to death in his delusions or already dead. (Of course, if the inclusion former's the case, it's taking him a good goddamn long time to die.) Davis was made aware of those theories in 2006 and is reported to have laughed about them. In any case, if you read the postscript of the word hellfire before concluding last strip in this series, it's pretty clear that it meant an evil fire.
the nightmare about Garfield being alone forever was just that - a nightmare, a product of his imagination. And his only escape was to embrace the hope that he would wake up, and thus shift his mental state back to normal, in a combination of YourMindMakesItReal and ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve.
* Not so much Jesus, but it's generally accepted amongst its (''many'') detractors that the entire population of ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' (and by extension, ''{{ComicStrip/Crankshaft}}'') is in Purgatory (Limbo is also accepted) and merely awaiting inevitable death.



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* ''Series/{{Community}}'', Abed's idea for a viral video for Shirley's church was a film about a filmmaker who was making a film about Jesus who realized that he himself was Jesus was having a film made about him.

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Abed's idea for a viral video for Shirley's church was a film about a filmmaker who was making a film about Jesus who realized that he himself was Jesus was having a film made about him.



--> '''Troy''': *GASP*
--> '''Jeff''': Troy, stop letting him make you realise things.

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* In ''{{ComicStrip/Peanuts}}'', a common theory is that Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin is a way of making fun of Christian evangelism, because there's no evidence for the Great Pumpkin's existence, and Linus tries to convince people he's real. The fact that Linus often [[AsTheGoodBookSays quotes from the Bible]] adds more fuel, as does the strip where Linus travels from door to door asking people if they've heard of the Great Pumpkin, in the manner of a Jehovah's Witness; when Peppermint Patty decided to believe in the Great Pumpkin (she needed a new baseball glove) Marcie called Linus and told him that he had "a disciple". This has been officially {{Jossed}}, with Charles Schulz claiming that the only inspiration for the Great Pumpkin was that he thought it would be funny if a character believed in a Santa Claus-like figure for Halloween.
** A darkly existential take on Linus and the Great Pumpkin can be found [[http://www.reverseshot.com/archive/entry/206/its_the_great_pumpkin_charlie_brown here]].
%%* [[http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pearlsdeconstruction.jpg Hilariously parodied]] in ''ComicStrip/PearlsBeforeSwine''.
* A ''{{ComicStrip/Garfield}}'' [[http://www.retrojunk.com/article/show/417/the-death-of-garfield Halloween storyline]] in 1989 depicted Garfield waking up and finding everyone and everything he knew to be gone and broken down. The storyline ended with Garfield embracing denial and suddenly Jon and Odie are back in front of him. A fan theory began on the Internet suggesting that every strip since that point has been Garfield slowly starving to death in his delusions or already dead. (Of course, if the former's the case, it's taking him a good goddamn long time to die.) Davis was made aware of those theories in 2006 and is reported to have laughed about them. In any case, if you read the postscript of the last strip in this series, it's pretty clear that the nightmare about Garfield being alone forever was just that - a nightmare, a product of his imagination. And his only escape was to embrace the hope that he would wake up, and thus shift his mental state back to normal, in a combination of YourMindMakesItReal and ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve.
* Not so much Jesus, but it's generally accepted amongst its (''many'') detractors that the entire population of ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' (and by extension, ''{{ComicStrip/Crankshaft}}'') is in Purgatory (Limbo is also accepted) and merely awaiting inevitable death.

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* Literature/TheBible itself is subject to this, even in a literal sense, as many Old Testament figures, such as Moses, show parallels with Jesus. Certain theologists believe that these were prophetic foreshadowings for the Messiah, while skeptics believe that the New Testament was intentionally written to match these older stories. Even the writers of the gospels have this happening, where some of them, through narrative use of AsTheGoodBookSays (although it's a different Good Book), claim that this event or that saying were to fulfil what had been said by the prophets beforehand. Some of them are significant stretches. Also, the New Testament writers' practice fits squarely into the tradition of Jewish midrash. For example, the Gospel of Mark begins with Jesus' baptism at which Jesus comes up from the water, the heavens are opened, a voice comes forth, and the spirit descends. This is clearly midrash on the creation story from Genesis 1 in which God's spirit hovers over water and God's voice summons the light. In ''{{ComicStrip/Peanuts}}'', so doing, Mark is making a theological point through narrative. In addition, common theory is that Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin is First Century CE was the use of typology as a way of making fun understanding scripture (Isaac is seen as a type of Christian evangelism, because there's no evidence for Jesus, Elijah as a type of John the Great Pumpkin's existence, and Linus tries to convince people he's real. The fact that Linus often [[AsTheGoodBookSays quotes from Baptist, etc.). In this way, the Bible]] adds more fuel, as does the strip where Linus travels from door to door asking people if they've heard authors of the Great Pumpkin, in the manner of a Jehovah's Witness; when Peppermint Patty decided to believe in the Great Pumpkin (she needed a new baseball glove) Marcie called Linus and told him that he had "a disciple". This has been officially {{Jossed}}, with Charles Schulz NT are not claiming literal prophecy/fulfillment as much as reminding the reader that what God has done before, God is doing again.
* Another favorite in
the only inspiration for the Great Pumpkin was that he thought it would be funny if a character believed in a Santa Claus-like figure for Halloween.
** A darkly existential take on Linus and the Great Pumpkin can be found [[http://www.reverseshot.com/archive/entry/206/its_the_great_pumpkin_charlie_brown here]].
%%* [[http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pearlsdeconstruction.jpg Hilariously parodied]] in ''ComicStrip/PearlsBeforeSwine''.
* A ''{{ComicStrip/Garfield}}'' [[http://www.retrojunk.com/article/show/417/the-death-of-garfield Halloween storyline]] in 1989 depicted Garfield waking up and finding everyone and
theme of Christianity is to make everything he knew to be gone that's too obviously not an allegory of a Christian theme into a post-facto allegory for a Christian heresy, and broken down. The storyline ended with Garfield embracing denial therefore a [[ItsAllAboutMe subversion of Christianity]]. Since most heresies stemmed from actual discussions of mythology and suddenly Jon and Odie are back in front of him. A fan theory began on the Internet suggesting that every strip since that point has been Garfield slowly starving to death in his delusions or already dead. (Of course, if the former's the case, it's taking him a good goddamn long time to die.) Davis was made aware of those theories in 2006 and is reported to have laughed about them. In any case, if you read the postscript interpretation of the last strip in this series, scripture as literature (despite the [[TheInquisition usual implications]], 'heresy' didn't necessarily imply some sort of feud, just the explanation the church decided not to go with) it's pretty clear trivial to tie anything to one movement or another. The gnostics get hit with this one especially hard, since their idea involved knowing god through what amounts to an emotional epiphany. Therefore, obviously, every work where a character experiences an emotion that the nightmare about Garfield being alone forever was just that - a nightmare, a product shifts their point of his imagination. And his only escape was to embrace the hope that he would wake up, and thus shift his mental state back to normal, in a combination of YourMindMakesItReal and ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve.
* Not so much Jesus, but it's generally accepted amongst its (''many'') detractors that the entire population of ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' (and by extension, ''{{ComicStrip/Crankshaft}}'')
view [[FourTermsFallacy is in Purgatory (Limbo is also accepted) and merely awaiting inevitable death.necessarily a Gnostic allegory]] for some analysts.



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* Literature/TheBible itself is subject to this, even in a literal sense, as many Old Testament figures, such as Moses, show parallels with Jesus. Certain theologists believe that these were prophetic foreshadowings for the Messiah, while skeptics believe that the New Testament was intentionally written to match these older stories. Even the writers of the gospels have this happening, where some of them, through narrative use of AsTheGoodBookSays (although it's a different Good Book), claim that this event or that saying were to fulfil what had been said by the prophets beforehand. Some of them are significant stretches. Also, the New Testament writers' practice fits squarely into the tradition of Jewish midrash. For example, the Gospel of Mark begins with Jesus' baptism at which Jesus comes up from the water, the heavens are opened, a voice comes forth, and the spirit descends. This is clearly midrash on the creation story from Genesis 1 in which God's spirit hovers over water and God's voice summons the light. In so doing, Mark is making a theological point through narrative. In addition, common in the First Century CE was the use of typology as a way of understanding scripture (Isaac is seen as a type of Jesus, Elijah as a type of John the Baptist, etc.). In this way, the authors of the NT are not claiming literal prophecy/fulfillment as much as reminding the reader that what God has done before, God is doing again.
* Another favorite in the theme of Christianity is to make everything that's too obviously not an allegory of a Christian theme into a post-facto allegory for a Christian heresy, and therefore a [[ItsAllAboutMe subversion of Christianity]]. Since most heresies stemmed from actual discussions of mythology and interpretation of the scripture as literature (despite the [[TheInquisition usual implications]], 'heresy' didn't necessarily imply some sort of feud, just the explanation the church decided not to go with) it's pretty trivial to tie anything to one movement or another. The gnostics get hit with this one especially hard, since their idea involved knowing god through what amounts to an emotional epiphany. Therefore, obviously, every work where a character experiences an emotion that shifts their point of view [[FourTermsFallacy is necessarily a Gnostic allegory]] for some analysts.
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* Everyone in fiction is a [[WMG/TimeLord Time Lord]].
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5th Dec '16 12:13:42 AM BoukenDutch
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* This trope gets discussed in [[Creator/StephenKing Stephen King’s]] book ''Literature/LiseysStory''. Lisey, the widow of famed novelist Scott Landon, refers to these kind of people as “Deep Space Cowboys”, and describes them as:
-->Deep Space Cowboys have a lot to say. They want to grab Scott by the arm and tell him they understand the secret messages in his books; they understand that the books are really guides to God, Satan or possibly the Gnostic Gospels.
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* The seven ''Chronicles of {{Narnia}}'' have been claimed to be AnAesop focusing on one of the SevenDeadlySins. This just goes to show that this trope applies even when there's plenty of real, valid symbolism, allegory, and "supposition" to choose from. Later still, a book was published saying that each novel corresponds with one of the seven heavens of the medieval cosmos.

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* The All seven ''Chronicles of {{Narnia}}'' books in ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' have been claimed to be AnAesop focusing on one of the SevenDeadlySins. This just goes to show that this trope applies even when there's plenty of real, valid symbolism, allegory, and "supposition" to choose from. Later still, a book was published saying that each novel corresponds with one of the seven heavens of the medieval cosmos.
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* Creator/JRRTolkien. Poor, poor Tolkien. You can't write a successful good-versus-evil story in the twentieth century without every other English High School teacher hijacking it for a lesson on metaphors. He stated in the introduction of the first volume that no, it's not an allegory of any kind (and he disliked [[TheChroniclesOfNarnia straightforward allegories]] anyway), and doubly no, not one on fascism, The Bomb or what have you. Doesn't stop some teachers who cite The Inklings, the informal group of literary scholars of which he was a member, and included people like Charles Williams (notorious for allegory) and C.S. Lewis (notorious Christian convert).

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* Creator/JRRTolkien. Poor, poor Tolkien. You can't write a successful good-versus-evil story in the twentieth century without every other English High School teacher hijacking it for a lesson on metaphors. He stated in the introduction of the first volume that no, it's not an allegory of any kind (and he disliked [[TheChroniclesOfNarnia [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia straightforward allegories]] anyway), and doubly no, not one on fascism, The Bomb or what have you. Doesn't stop some teachers who cite The Inklings, the informal group of literary scholars of which he was a member, and included people like Charles Williams (notorious for allegory) and C.S. Lewis (notorious Christian convert).
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