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** Subverted with Ramsay. While there are moments where Ramsay can show affection to certain characters like Myranda, Locke or his father, as a narcissist and a sociopath, he's incapable of forming lasting bonds or seeing them as anything more than extensions of himself. He can bond with some characters because they share his psychotic interests and can feed his ego but if they die, he's quick to forget them. For example, after Myranda dies, Ramsay somberly reflects on their childhood together and promises to avenge her murder, then he tells his men to feed her body to the dogs instead of giving her a proper funeral, saying she would make good meat, and then never mentions her again. In the prior season, he had even casually threatened to murder her when she expressed jealousy over his engagement to Sansa. Earlier, he didn't bat an eye when Roose told him Locke was missing and he murders his own father with the barest hesitation to secure power for himself. It becomes very clear that the only person who matters to Ramsay is himself.
22nd May '17 4:52:15 AM karategal
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-->'''Yondu:''' [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments He may be your father, but he ant your daddy.]]]]
** [[spoiler: Peter's biological father Ego The Living Planet]] ''does'' genuinely love his son and his old lover, and presumably the many other children and lovers he had over the eons. Unfortunately, he's still care more about [[ItsAllAboutMe his own plans for the universe]], than any one else.

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-->'''Yondu:''' [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments He may be your father, but he ant ain't your daddy.]]]]
** [[spoiler: Peter's biological father Ego The Living Planet]] ''does'' genuinely love his son and his old lover, and presumably the many other children and lovers he had over the eons. Unfortunately, he's he still care cares more about [[ItsAllAboutMe his own plans for the universe]], than any one anyone else.
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* ''Literature/SchooledInMagic'': [[spoiler: Aurelius]] has a daughter who he put [[HumanPopsicle into stasis]] to save her life. Her magic overwhelmed her and he'd been unable to find a cure. [[spoiler: He's devastated after she dies.]]
18th May '17 1:53:09 PM Wynauttica
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* ''Manga/PokemonAdventure'''s version of Giovanni, with [[spoiler:his son Silver.]]

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* ''Manga/PokemonAdventure'''s ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'''s version of Giovanni, with [[spoiler:his son Silver.]]
17th May '17 3:25:17 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''WesternAnimation/KuboAndTheTwoStrings'':
** As Monkey explains later on in the film, the Moon King and the Sisters don't actually ''hate'' Kubo; they want him to live with the rest of his mother's kin. The issue is that they want to take Kubo's remaining eye so that he can become blind too and shed his humanity, believing this to be the best life for him. It should be noted that even though they killed her husband, ''ripped out her infant son's eye'' and planned to kill her, kidnap her son, and ''rip out his other eye'', Kubo's mother refers to them as Kubo's grandfather and aunts instead of "The Moon King and his daughters" or even just "my father and sisters". Then again it's possible she simply didn't want him to be shocked when he learned the truth or manipulated due to being relatives.
** When Kubo later gets to meet his aunts and then his grandfather, it is shown that [[spoiler:she was right, they honestly want him in their family and believe he will be happy in the Heavens.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/KuboAndTheTwoStrings'':
** As Monkey explains later on in the film, the Moon King and the Sisters don't actually ''hate'' Kubo; they want him to live with the rest of his mother's kin. The issue is that they want to take Kubo's remaining eye so that he can become blind to and shed his humanity, believing this to be the best life for him. It should be noted that even though they killed her husband, ''ripped out her infant son's eye'' and planned to kill her, kidnap her son, and ''rip out his other eye'', Kubo's mother refers to them as Kubo's grandfather and aunts instead of "The Moon King and his daughters" or even just "my father and sisters". Then again it's possible she simply didn't want him to be shocked when he learned the truth or manipulated due to being relatives.
** When Kubo later gets to meet his aunts and then his grandfather, it is shown that [[spoiler:she was right, they honestly want him in their family and believe he will be happy in the Heavens.]]



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* In the Mexican film ''Film/ElInfierno'', which deals with the violence of the drug cartels, "Cochiloco", one of the most ruthless drug cartel enforcers takes the protagonist to his home and introduces him to his wife and children. Cochiloco then glosses over this by saying "What? You thought I lived in a cave and ate human meat?". [[spoiler:However, later his employer kills his firstborn in retaliation, triggering his RoaringRampageOfRevenge.]]



* In the Mexican film ''Film/ElInfierno'', which deals with the violence of the drug cartels, "Cochiloco", one of the most ruthless drug cartel enforcers takes the protagonist to his home and introduces him to his wife and children. Cochiloco then glosses over this by saying "What? You thought I lived in a cave and ate human meat?". [[spoiler:However, later his employer kills his firstborn in retaliation, triggering his RoaringRampageOfRevenge.]]



* Joe Keller of Arthur Miller's ''All My Sons'' is a warm, likable, friendly fellow who genuinely loves his son and his wife. He also [[spoiler: deliberately sold defective parts to the Air Force that got 21 pilots killed and framed his partner for it. Eventually, his justifications get broken down and he kills himself offstage at the end of the show]].



* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Wyre is absolutely devastated [[spoiler: at Kyrian's death. Myrren notes with surprise that she really did love him.]]



* The Mafia don in Dean Koontz's ''Darkfall'' is almost a parody of this trope; he is a professional murderer, openly calling Dawson and Rebecca "freaks" for their incorruptibility, but he is absolutely heartbroken that some hellborn monsters have killed his "doggies".



* The Behemoth in ''Literature/DevilsCape'' is a superstrong, brutal murderer, but when [[spoiler:he finds the dead body of his friend Hector Hell,]] he is furious and comes bursting out into the ongoing battle seeking revenge. There's also [[spoiler:Scion, Hector's killer, who despite working for his uncle and the Robber Baron as an enforcer, helps the heroes stop the [[CircusOfFear Cirque d'Obscurite]] when his uncle goes against the one thing Scion demanded as his price - that his uncle leaves his brother and father out of everything.]]
* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'':
** Lord Raith instills this into his children to make them easier to control, but it kinda backfires on him when his eldest and most powerful daughter found out that he didn't actually give a damn about them himself.
** Warden Morgan, who is portrayed as an antagonist for the first few books but [[spoiler:sacrifices himself]] to save his true love -- and the reputation of the White Council.
** Mab and Titania, on the other hand, turn this into Even Neutral But Scary Psycho Fae Queens Have Loved Ones. [[spoiler: Titania hasn't forgiven Harry for killing her daughter Aurora - though she knows it was necessary. And Mab cannot bring herself to kill her own daughter Maeve for the same good reason.]]
** Harry's scary fairy godmother, the Leanansidhe regards evil as an aesthetic choice but she clearly loves her godchild, in her own Nietzschean way, and probably loved his mother too. Molly's nickname for her teacher, Auntie Lea, suggests that Molly realizes Lea loves her too.
** Nicodemus and Tessa both care about their daughter Deirdre (though Nicodemus [[ParentalIncest expresses it very creepily]]) in spite of their collaboration with fallen angels and centuries of evil deeds. In ''Skin Game'' [[spoiler: Tessa tries to foil Nicodemus' plan because she knows it will require Deirdre's death, and Nicodemus loses it when Harry taunts him about how he killed his own daughter to complete the plan. Afterwards, the long estranged Nicodemus and Tessa apparently have a reconciliation where they, united in grief, try to work through it together by burning their enemy's family alive.]] They ''are'' still very evil.
*** Also the fact that Nicodemus saved Tessa from life as a child sex slave, because Lartessa's father's business went under, and he sold her to the temple of Isis to be used as a tribute, and would have died as a sex slave if Nicodemus had not shown up to save her. They are evil, and they are dysfunctional, but it is completely understandable, especially their unwillingness to trust God, or gods. Its quite possible they believe they are saving the world.



* Caine Soren from the ''Literature/{{GONE}}'' has no problem throwing innocent children off cliffs, but he gets outright murderous when anyone (or mostly ''Drake'') hurts or even insults Diana, who he has stated twice to love and care about.
** In fact, all the Coates kids have something or someone capable of humanizing them... Except Drake, that kid became a part of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope a ''long'' time ago and is proud of it.



* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'':
** In the first book, there's Cato's grief-stricken reaction to [[spoiler:the death of his district partner Clove]].
** Invoked by Johanna Mason in ''Mockingjay'' when she points out that [[spoiler:if they hold a final Hunger Games with children of the people who held power in the old regime, President Snow's granddaughter will be eligible for the reaping.]]
* In ''Joe Golem and the Drowning City'' by Mignola and Golden, Father(?) and Son(?) Tentaclemonster. Proves that even a Lovecraftian EldritchAbomination can make for a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
* ''Literature/LegacyOfTheDragokin:'' The Kthonian knights think of everyone else as worms to be squished but consider each other family. [[spoiler: Their leader is Kthonia's daughter and her desire to free her is as much a daughter's love as it is a villain's EvilPlan.]]
* Mary and Henry Crawford in ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' are self-centered, avaricious, and see nothing wrong with playing games with people's hearts or wishing someone dead so the inheritance will go to the brother they like better. But they do have genuine familial affection for each other.



* ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'':
** In ''The Hound of the Baskervilles'', Watson sees Selden's sister weep openly when [[spoiler:he's killed by the Hound]], noting that it is a very bad man indeed who loses the love of female relatives.
** Subverted in another, where the daughter of a murdered man doesn't hesitate in telling the police that she blesses the hand of whoever killed her DomesticAbuser father.
* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': Kiloran's one redeeming quality seems to be the fact he cares about his son, swearing revenge on Tansen [[spoiler: after he kills him.]]



* ''Literature/TheStrangerBesideMe'': Ted Bundy is one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, but he's genuinely fond of his late grandfather.



* Lucifer's anger at Turnus for killing Pallas in ''Literature/TheVaginaAssOfLuciferNiggerbastard''.
** Sack's loyalty to Lucifer.
* Victor Dashkov from ''Literature/VampireAcademy'' is a ruthless villain but turns out to have a close relationship with his half-brother Robert Doru. They are each other's only real loved-one.




* Caine Soren from the ''Literature/{{GONE}}'' has no problem throwing innocent children off cliffs, but he gets outright murderous when anyone (or mostly ''Drake'') hurts or even insults Diana, who he has stated twice to love and care about.
** In fact, all the Coates kids have something or someone capable of humanizing them... Except Drake, that kid became a part of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope a ''long'' time ago and is proud of it.
* Lord Raith from ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' instills this into his children to make them easier to control, but it kinda backfires on him when his eldest and most powerful daughter found out that he didn't actually give a damn about them himself. Then there's Warden Morgan, who is portrayed as an antagonist for the first few books but [[spoiler:sacrifices himself]] to save his true love- and the reputation of the White Council.
** Mab and Titania, on the other hand, turn this into Even Neutral But Scary Psycho Fae Queens Have Loved Ones. [[spoiler: Titania hasn't forgiven Harry for killing her daughter Aurora - though she knows it was necessary. And Mab cannot bring herself to kill her own daughter Maeve for the same good reason.]]
** Harry's scary fairy godmother, the Leanansidhe regards evil as an aesthetic choice but she clearly loves her godchild, in her own Nietzschean way, and probably loved his mother too. Molly's nickname for her teacher, Auntie Lea, suggests that Molly realizes Lea loves her too.
** Nicodemus and Tessa both care about their daughter Deirdre (though Nicodemus [[ParentalIncest expresses it very creepily]]) in spite of their collaboration with fallen angels and centuries of evil deeds. In ''Skin Game'' [[spoiler: Tessa tries to foil Nicodemus' plan because she knows it will require Deirdre's death, and Nicodemus loses it when Harry taunts him about how he killed his own daughter to complete the plan. Afterwards, the long estranged Nicodemus and Tessa apparently have a reconciliation where they, united in grief, try to work through it together by burning their enemy's family alive.]] They ''are'' still very evil.
*** Also the fact that Nicodemus saved Tessa from life as a child sex slave, because Lartessa's father's business went under, and he sold her to the temple of Isis to be used as a tribute, and would have died as a sex slave if Nicodemus had not shown up to save her. They are evil, and they are dysfunctional, but it is completely understandable, especially their unwillingness to trust God, or gods. Its quite possible they believe they are saving the world.
* ''Literature/LegacyOfTheDragokin:'' The Kthonian knights think of everyone else as worms to be squished but consider each other family. [[spoiler: Their leader is Kthonia's daughter and her desire to free her is as much a daughter's love as it is a villain's EvilPlan.]]
* Invoked by Johanna Mason in [[Literature/TheHungerGames Mockingjay]] when she points out that [[spoiler:if they hold a final Hunger Games with children of the people who held power in the old regime, President Snow's granddaughter will be eligible for the reaping.]]
** Earlier, in ''Literature/TheHungerGames'', there's Cato's grief-stricken reaction to [[spoiler:the death of his district partner Clove]].
* The Mafia don in Dean Koontz's ''Darkfall'' is almost a parody of this trope; he is a professional murderer, openly calling Dawson and Rebecca "freaks" for their incorruptibility, but he is absolutely heartbroken that some hellborn monsters have killed his "doggies."
* The Behemoth in ''Literature/DevilsCape'' is a superstrong, brutal murderer, but when [[spoiler:he finds the dead body of his friend Hector Hell,]] he is furious and comes bursting out into the ongoing battle seeking revenge. There's also [[spoiler:Scion, Hector's killer, who despite working for his uncle and the Robber Baron as an enforcer, helps the heroes stop the [[CircusOfFear Cirque d'Obscurite]] when his uncle goes against the one thing Scion demanded as his price - that his uncle leaves his brother and father out of everything.]]
* Lucifer's anger at Turnus for killing Pallas in ''Literature/TheVaginaAssOfLuciferNiggerbastard''.
** Sack's loyalty to Lucifer.
* In "Joe Golem and the Drowning City" by Mignola and Golden, Father(?) and Son(?) Tentaclemonster. Proves that even a Lovecraftian EldritchAbomination can make for a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
* Victor Dashkov from ''Literature/VampireAcademy'' is a ruthless villain but turns out to have a close relationship with his half-brother Robert Doru. They are each other's only real loved-one.
* Mary and Henry Crawford in ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' are self-centered, avaricious, and see nothing wrong with playing games with people's hearts or wishing someone dead so the inheritance will go to the brother they like better. But they do have genuine familial affection for each other.
* ''Literature/TheStrangerBesideMe'': Ted Bundy is one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, but he's genuinely fond of his late grandfather.
* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': Kiloran's one redeeming quality seems to be the fact he cares about his son, swearing revenge on Tansen [[spoiler: after he kills him.]]
* Joe Keller of Arthur Miller's ''All My Sons'' is a warm, likable, friendly fellow who genuinely loves his son and his wife. He also [[spoiler: deliberately sold defective parts to the Airforce that got 21 pilots killed and framed his partner for it. Eventually, his justifications get broken down and he kills himself offstage at the end of the show]].
* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Wyre is absolutely devastated [[spoiler: at Kyrian's death. Myrren notes with surprise that she really did love him.]]
* ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'':
** In ''The Hound of the Baskervilles'', Watson sees Selden's sister weep openly when [[spoiler:he's killed by the Hound]], noting that it is a very bad man indeed who loses the love of female relatives.
** Subverted in another, where the daughter of a murdered man doesn't hesitate in telling the police that she blesses the hand of whoever killed her DomesticAbuser father.


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--> '''Yondu:''' [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments He may be your father, but he ant your daddy.]]]]

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--> '''Yondu:''' -->'''Yondu:''' [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments He may be your father, but he ant your daddy.]]]]



* Darth Vader of ''Franchise/StarWars'' fame has Luke Skywalker. Vader's fatherly love for Luke also the entire reason behind Vader's [[BreakingSpeech various]] [[WeCanRuleTogether attempts]] to turn Luke to TheDarkSide: the Emperor originally wanted Luke killed before Vader convinced him otherwise. This ends up being what ultimately causes Vader's HeelFaceTurn in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** [[TheDragon
Darth Vader of ''Franchise/StarWars'' fame Vader]] has Luke Skywalker. Vader's fatherly love for Luke is also the entire reason behind Vader's [[BreakingSpeech various]] [[WeCanRuleTogether attempts]] to turn Luke to TheDarkSide: the Emperor originally wanted Luke killed before Vader convinced him otherwise. This ends up being what ultimately causes Vader's HeelFaceTurn in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''.



-->'''[[WordOfGod George Lucas]]:''' I like the idea that everyone loves someone. And even the worst, most horrible monster you can imagine was loved by his keeper. And the rancor probably loved his keeper.

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-->'''[[WordOfGod --->'''[[WordOfGod George Lucas]]:''' I like the idea that everyone loves someone. And even the worst, most horrible monster you can imagine was loved by his keeper. And the rancor probably loved his keeper.



* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Prince Vladimir loves Armida and Tristan to the point that he is willing to sacrifice himself for them [[spoiler: when the Resistance traps them all in the cave.]]
* ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'':
** Sawney Rath in ''Taggerung'' did seem to start out genuinely liking his adopted/stolen son Tagg. Then Tagg went and messed everything up by being of a good species, and Sawney tried to have him killed, and things went downhill just a tad.
** Ferahgo in ''Salamandastron'', openly announces that if he finds out his son Klitch is in on the plots against his life, Klitch will be allowed to live "because he's my son".
** In ''The Sable Quean'', a stoat named Gliv distracts Zwilt long enough to spare Vilaya from making sure she's dead, then nurses her back to health. Not out of respect or devotion to Vilaya, but because Zwilt used Gliv's mate Lugg as live bait to kill a giant eel, then utters ARareSentence for a Redwall villain: "I loved him". [[spoiler:Sure, Vilaya kills Gliv once she's healed, and ends up killed by her own adder venom knife, but it's the thought that counts]]. Vilaya herself does not take the murder of her rat handmaiden Dirva (by Zwilt) well at all, hugging herself and muttering that ThisCannotBe.

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* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Prince Vladimir loves Armida and Tristan to In ''Literature/{{Animorphs}},'' [[MagnificentBitch Visser One]] is pushing for a slow, secret conquest of Earth instead of the point that he is willing to sacrifice himself for them [[spoiler: when the Resistance traps them all violent conflict [[BigBad Visser Three]] favors. An open war could result in the cave.death of billions, and that might include [[spoiler:the two children she gave birth to through a previous human host.]]
* ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'':
** Sawney Rath There's also [[SixthRangerTraitor David]], who betrayed the team in ''Taggerung'' did seem part because they failed to start out genuinely liking save his adopted/stolen son Tagg. Then Tagg went and messed everything up by being of a good species, and Sawney tried to have him killed, and things went downhill just a tad.
** Ferahgo in ''Salamandastron'', openly announces that if he finds out his son Klitch is in on
parents from the plots against his life, Klitch will be allowed Yeerks. He initially planned to live "because he's my son".
ransom [[ImportedAlienPhlebotinum the Escafil device]] in exchange for their safe return.
** In ''The Sable Quean'', Alien'', a stoat named Gliv distracts Zwilt long enough minor Yeerk agrees to spare Vilaya from making sure she's dead, then nurses her back to health. Not out of respect or devotion to Vilaya, but help Ax assassinate Visser Three because Zwilt used Gliv's mate Lugg as live bait to kill a giant eel, then utters ARareSentence for a Redwall villain: "I loved him". [[spoiler:Sure, Vilaya kills Gliv once she's healed, and ends up killed by her own adder venom knife, but it's the thought Visser's Kandrona rationing allowed the death of another Yeerk whom he was close to.
* Narses, a MagnificentBastard AntiVillain in the Literature/BelisariusSeries is this way toward Ajutasutra, the Indian secret agent
that counts]]. Vilaya herself does not take the murder of her rat handmaiden Dirva (by Zwilt) well at all, hugging herself he considers a [[ParentalSubstitute son substitute]].
* Eldred Jonas
and muttering Coral Thorin, villains from ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' novel ''Literature/WizardAndGlass'', have a genuine love for one another that ThisCannotBe. [[BetaCouple parallels the love affair between the hero and his true love.]]
* ''Literature/TheFireUsTrilogy'' sees the man who caused a near-total extinction of everyone in America (and very probably the entire rest of the world) sport a genuine love for his wife and two sons as the only redeeming part of his otherwise total evil.



* In Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'', a number of the main heroes are very distant descendants of main villain Azrael de Gray; he mostly prefers to [[IWantThemAlive not kill them.]] Enslaving them in an AndIMustScream situation is a perfect alternative, though.



* Albrecht Detweiler, the BigBad of the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' novels, is HappilyMarried to his wife, and is very close to his sons (who are also his lieutenants [[spoiler:and his clones]]).
** In addition to caring for his family, he's also AFatherToHisMen.
** The end of ''Torch of Freedom'' produced plenty of this for the villains. They count themselves lucky that they and their families weren't in Green Pines when the nukes went off, but many people they knew were. Collin Detweiler mentions taking his children to a memorial service. That said, Green Pines itself was a genuine act of terrorism, which the heroes condemn as well.
*** A more extreme example is when Albrecht comforts Aldona Anasimovna after informing her that her mentor, Isabel Bardesano, was killed when would-be defector Jack [=McBryde=] took out the Gamma Center (and he WAS working with the heroes).
* [[AntiVillain Thaddeus]] [[BrokenAce Valentine]] from ''Literature/MortalEngines'' has his daughter Katherine who he truly loves and cares about. [[spoiler: When she throws herself on Valentine's sword to protect Hester, he is heartbroken and dies cradling her body as London blows up]].
* In ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'', the BigBad Valentine seems to actually care about Jace. [[spoiler:That doesn't stop him from killing Jace. He is sad afterwards and tried to keep Jace from forcing him to, though.]] He also seems to care for [[spoiler:Clary, Jocelyn, Sebastian[=/=]Jonathan]] and Luke in his own twisted way.
* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Prince Vladimir loves Armida and Tristan to the point that he is willing to sacrifice himself for them [[spoiler: when the Resistance traps them all in the cave.]]
* ''Luke Castellan'' from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' seemed very reluctant to hurt his former best friends (and possible love interest(s)) Thalia and Annabeth, even offering them to join the Titans with him. Throughout the series, he tends to tell his {{mooks}} to {{kill them all}} except Thalia and/or Annabeth, showing he possibly still cares for them.
** [[spoiler: And this is what leads him in the end to question his villainy and defy the BigBad when he realizes he accidentally hurt Annabeth, leading him to be the one to save the world in the end. RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]
* ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'':
** Sawney Rath in ''Taggerung'' did seem to start out genuinely liking his adopted/stolen son Tagg. Then Tagg went and messed everything up by being of a good species, and Sawney tried to have him killed, and things went downhill just a tad.
** Ferahgo in ''Salamandastron'', openly announces that if he finds out his son Klitch is in on the plots against his life, Klitch will be allowed to live "because he's my son".
** In ''The Sable Quean'', a stoat named Gliv distracts Zwilt long enough to spare Vilaya from making sure she's dead, then nurses her back to health. Not out of respect or devotion to Vilaya, but because Zwilt used Gliv's mate Lugg as live bait to kill a giant eel, then utters ARareSentence for a Redwall villain: "I loved him". [[spoiler:Sure, Vilaya kills Gliv once she's healed, and ends up killed by her own adder venom knife, but it's the thought that counts]]. Vilaya herself does not take the murder of her rat handmaiden Dirva (by Zwilt) well at all, hugging herself and muttering that ThisCannotBe.
* Horris Quaiche from Creator/AlastairReynolds' ''Literature/RevelationSpace'' goes from LoveableRogue to insane religious leader and dictator, but he genuinelly loved his tragically deceased lover (whose death triggered his descent into madness in the first place).



* ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'':
** ''The Old Republic: Deceived'' is about Darth Malgus and his servant Eleena being in love with each other; other Sith think this makes him weak. [[spoiler:Rogue Jedi Aryn Leneer, [[ItsPersonal whose father figure he killed]], eventually has an opportunity to kill Eleena, [[RevengeByProxy hurting Malgus like he hurt her]]. She ultimately spares her, [[EvenEvilHasStandards whereupon Malgus spares Aryn.]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove Then he kills Eleena himself, because she is his greatest weakness.]]]]
** Touched on and subverted with Ysanne Isard, Director of Imperial Intelligence and BigBad of Michael A. Stackpole's entries in the ''Literature/XWingSeries''. In ''Isard's Revenge'', she reveals that she was in love with the Emperor. Corran Horn believes she was in love with his political power, not the man himself.
** [[GeneralFailure Natasi Daala]] and Grand Moff Tarkin, despite the fact that when they met [[MayDecemberRomance he was old enough to be her father]]. And already married.
** In ''[[Literature/XWingSeries Wraith Squadron]]'' some of the Wraiths kill an officer about to shoot them, and ask the surviving officer for the code. When she's threatened she gives it up. "Sakira. It was his daughter's name."
** The EU takes this trope further with Boba Fett. Aside from his father (mentioned in the Film section above), he also has his ex-wife, daughter, and granddaughter, all of whom he deeply loved. In fact he became a bounty hunter partly because of this trope. He had tried to be a family man on Concord Dawn, working in law enforcement, but it all fell apart when Boba's commanding officer raped his wife, causing the enraged Boba to murder the man out of revenge. This promptly led to his family falling apart, as his crime caused him to be exiled from Concord Dawn, his wife to divorce from him after bitter arguments, and his daughter blamed him for it all, demolishing their relationship.
* Sunlight Gardener and Morgan Sloat in ''Literature/TheTalisman'' genuinely love their sons. However, Sunlight's child [[spoiler:is a psychopath in one world and a mutated freak in the other]] and Morgan Sloat's twinner's son died years ago. He does not care about Sloat's son at all.



* Sunlight Gardener and Morgan Sloat in ''Literature/TheTalisman'' genuinely love their sons. However, Sunlight's child [[spoiler:is a psychopath in one world and a mutated freak in the other]] and Morgan Sloat's twinner's son died years ago. He does not care about Sloat's son at all.
* Horris Quaiche from Creator/AlastairReynolds' ''Literature/RevelationSpace'' goes from LoveableRogue to insane religious leader and dictator, but he genuinelly loved his tragically deceased lover (whose death triggered his descent into madness in the first place).
* In ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'', the BigBad Valentine seems to actually care about Jace. [[spoiler:That doesn't stop him from killing Jace. He is sad afterwards and tried to keep Jace from forcing him to, though.]] He also seems to care for [[spoiler:Clary, Jocelyn, Sebastian[=/=]Jonathan]] and Luke in his own twisted way.
* [[AntiVillain Thaddeus]] [[BrokenAce Valentine]] from ''Literature/MortalEngines'' has his daughter Katherine who he truly loves and cares about. [[spoiler: When she throws herself on Valentine's sword to protect Hester, he is heartbroken and dies cradling her body as London blows up]].
* In ''Literature/{{Animorphs}},'' [[MagnificentBitch Visser One]] is pushing for a slow, secret conquest of Earth instead of the violent conflict [[BigBad Visser Three]] favors. An open war could result in the death of billions, and that might include [[spoiler:the two children she gave birth to through a previous human host.]]
** There's also [[SixthRangerTraitor David]], who betrayed the team in part because they failed to save his parents from the Yeerks. He initially planned to ransom [[ImportedAlienPhlebotinum the Escafil device]] in exchange for their safe return.
** In ''The Alien'', a minor Yeerk agrees to help Ax assassinate Visser Three because the Visser's Kandrona rationing allowed the death of another Yeerk whom he was close to.

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* Sunlight Gardener and Morgan Sloat in ''Literature/TheTalisman'' genuinely love their sons. However, Sunlight's child [[spoiler:is a psychopath in one world and a mutated freak in the other]] and Morgan Sloat's twinner's son died years ago. He does not care about Sloat's son at all.
* Horris Quaiche from Creator/AlastairReynolds' ''Literature/RevelationSpace'' goes from LoveableRogue to insane religious leader and dictator, but he genuinelly loved his tragically deceased lover (whose death triggered his descent into madness in the first place).
* In ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'', Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'', a number of the BigBad Valentine seems main heroes are very distant descendants of main villain Azrael de Gray; he mostly prefers to actually care about Jace. [[spoiler:That doesn't stop him from killing Jace. He [[IWantThemAlive not kill them.]] Enslaving them in an AndIMustScream situation is sad afterwards and tried to keep Jace from forcing him to, a perfect alternative, though.]] He also seems to care for [[spoiler:Clary, Jocelyn, Sebastian[=/=]Jonathan]] and Luke in his own twisted way.
* [[AntiVillain Thaddeus]] [[BrokenAce Valentine]] from ''Literature/MortalEngines'' has his daughter Katherine who he truly loves and cares about. [[spoiler: When she throws herself on Valentine's sword to protect Hester, he is heartbroken and dies cradling her body as London blows up]].
* In ''Literature/{{Animorphs}},'' [[MagnificentBitch Visser One]] is pushing for a slow, secret conquest of Earth instead of the violent conflict [[BigBad Visser Three]] favors. An open war could result in the death of billions, and that might include [[spoiler:the two children she gave birth to through a previous human host.]]
** There's also [[SixthRangerTraitor David]], who betrayed the team in part because they failed to save his parents from the Yeerks. He initially planned to ransom [[ImportedAlienPhlebotinum the Escafil device]] in exchange for their safe return.
** In ''The Alien'', a minor Yeerk agrees to help Ax assassinate Visser Three because the Visser's Kandrona rationing allowed the death of another Yeerk whom he was close to.



* Albrecht Detweiler, the BigBad of the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' novels, is HappilyMarried to his wife, and is very close to his sons (who are also his lieutenants [[spoiler:and his clones]]).
** In addition to caring for his family, he's also AFatherToHisMen.
** The end of ''Torch of Freedom'' produced plenty of this for the villains. They count themselves lucky that they and their families weren't in Green Pines when the nukes went off, but many people they knew were. Collin Detweiler mentions taking his children to a memorial service. That said, Green Pines itself was a genuine act of terrorism, which the heroes condemn as well.
*** A more extreme example is when Albrecht comforts Aldona Anasimovna after informing her that her mentor, Isabel Bardesano, was killed when would-be defector Jack [=McBryde=] took out the Gamma Center (and he WAS working with the heroes).
* Eldred Jonas and Coral Thorin, villains from ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' novel ''Literature/WizardAndGlass'', have a genuine love for one another that [[BetaCouple parallels the love affair between the hero and his true love.]]
* Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse:
** ''The Old Republic: Deceived'' is about Darth Malgus and his servant Eleena being in love with each other; other Sith think this makes him weak. [[spoiler:Rogue Jedi Aryn Leneer, [[ItsPersonal whose father figure he killed]], eventually has an opportunity to kill Eleena, [[RevengeByProxy hurting Malgus like he hurt her]]. She ultimately spares her, [[EvenEvilHasStandards whereupon Malgus spares Aryn.]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove Then he kills Eleena himself, because she is his greatest weakness.]]]]
** Touched on and subverted with Ysanne Isard, Director of Imperial Intelligence and BigBad of Michael A. Stackpole's entries in the ''Literature/XWingSeries''. In ''Isard's Revenge'', she reveals that she was in love with the Emperor. Corran Horn believes she was in love with his political power, not the man himself.
** [[GeneralFailure Natasi Daala]] and Grand Moff Tarkin, despite the fact that when they met [[MayDecemberRomance he was old enough to be her father]]. And already married.
** In ''[[Literature/XWingSeries Wraith Squadron]]'' some of the Wraiths kill an officer about to shoot them, and ask the surviving officer for the code. When she's threatened she gives it up. "Sakira. It was his daughter's name."
** The EU takes this trope further with Boba Fett. Aside from his father (mentioned in the Film section above), he also has his ex-wife, daughter, and granddaughter, all of whom he deeply loved. In fact he became a bounty hunter partly because of this trope. He had tried to be a family man on Concord Dawn, working in law enforcement, but it all fell apart when Boba's commanding officer raped his wife, causing the enraged Boba to murder the man out of revenge. This promptly led to his family falling apart, as his crime caused him to be exiled from Concord Dawn, his wife to divorce from him after bitter arguments, and his daughter blamed him for it all, demolishing their relationship.
* Literature/TheFireUsTrilogy sees the man who caused a near-total extinction of everyone in America (and very probably the entire rest of the world) sport a genuine love for his wife and two sons as the only redeeming part of his otherwise total evil.
* Narses, a MagnificentBastard Antivilain in Literature/BelisariusSeries is this way toward Ajutasutra, the Indian secret agent that he considers a [[ParentalSubstitute son substitute]].
* ''Luke Castellan'' from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' seemed very reluctant to hurt his former best friends (and possible love interest(s)) Thalia and Annabeth, even offering them to join the Titans with him. Throughout the series, he tends to tell his {{mooks}} to {{kill them all}} except Thalia and/or Annabeth, showing he possibly still cares for them.
** [[spoiler: And this is what leads him in the end to question his villainy and defy the BigBad when he realizes he accidentally hurt Annabeth, leading him to be the one to save the world in the end. RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]

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* Albrecht Detweiler, the BigBad of the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' novels, is HappilyMarried to his wife, and is very close to his sons (who are also his lieutenants [[spoiler:and his clones]]).
** In addition to caring for his family, he's also AFatherToHisMen.
** The end of ''Torch of Freedom'' produced plenty of this for the villains. They count themselves lucky that they and their families weren't in Green Pines when the nukes went off, but many people they knew were. Collin Detweiler mentions taking his children to a memorial service. That said, Green Pines itself was a genuine act of terrorism, which the heroes condemn as well.
*** A more extreme example is when Albrecht comforts Aldona Anasimovna after informing her that her mentor, Isabel Bardesano, was killed when would-be defector Jack [=McBryde=] took out the Gamma Center (and he WAS working with the heroes).
* Eldred Jonas and Coral Thorin, villains from ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' novel ''Literature/WizardAndGlass'', have a genuine love for one another that [[BetaCouple parallels the love affair between the hero and his true love.]]
* Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse:
** ''The Old Republic: Deceived'' is about Darth Malgus and his servant Eleena being in love with each other; other Sith think this makes him weak. [[spoiler:Rogue Jedi Aryn Leneer, [[ItsPersonal whose father figure he killed]], eventually has an opportunity to kill Eleena, [[RevengeByProxy hurting Malgus like he hurt her]]. She ultimately spares her, [[EvenEvilHasStandards whereupon Malgus spares Aryn.]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove Then he kills Eleena himself, because she is his greatest weakness.]]]]
** Touched on and subverted with Ysanne Isard, Director of Imperial Intelligence and BigBad of Michael A. Stackpole's entries in the ''Literature/XWingSeries''. In ''Isard's Revenge'', she reveals that she was in love with the Emperor. Corran Horn believes she was in love with his political power, not the man himself.
** [[GeneralFailure Natasi Daala]] and Grand Moff Tarkin, despite the fact that when they met [[MayDecemberRomance he was old enough to be her father]]. And already married.
** In ''[[Literature/XWingSeries Wraith Squadron]]'' some of the Wraiths kill an officer about to shoot them, and ask the surviving officer for the code. When she's threatened she gives it up. "Sakira. It was his daughter's name."
** The EU takes this trope further with Boba Fett. Aside from his father (mentioned in the Film section above), he also has his ex-wife, daughter, and granddaughter, all of whom he deeply loved. In fact he became a bounty hunter partly because of this trope. He had tried to be a family man on Concord Dawn, working in law enforcement, but it all fell apart when Boba's commanding officer raped his wife, causing the enraged Boba to murder the man out of revenge. This promptly led to his family falling apart, as his crime caused him to be exiled from Concord Dawn, his wife to divorce from him after bitter arguments, and his daughter blamed him for it all, demolishing their relationship.
* Literature/TheFireUsTrilogy sees the man who caused a near-total extinction of everyone in America (and very probably the entire rest of the world) sport a genuine love for his wife and two sons as the only redeeming part of his otherwise total evil.
* Narses, a MagnificentBastard Antivilain in Literature/BelisariusSeries is this way toward Ajutasutra, the Indian secret agent that he considers a [[ParentalSubstitute son substitute]].
* ''Luke Castellan'' from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' seemed very reluctant to hurt his former best friends (and possible love interest(s)) Thalia and Annabeth, even offering them to join the Titans with him. Throughout the series, he tends to tell his {{mooks}} to {{kill them all}} except Thalia and/or Annabeth, showing he possibly still cares for them.
** [[spoiler: And this is what leads him in the end to question his villainy and defy the BigBad when he realizes he accidentally hurt Annabeth, leading him to be the one to save the world in the end. RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]



** Te Slitheen, an alien crime family who we see mourning each other even while they're trying to irradiate / blow up Earth.

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** Te The Slitheen, an alien crime family who we see mourning each other even while they're trying to irradiate / blow up Earth.
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* Some of the [[BigBad main antagonists]] of the ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' series never harm a protagonist due to said protagonist resembling someone that the respective antagonist fell in love with while still alive. This includes [[spoiler: Kirie to [[IdenticalStranger Mafuyu]] in the first game and Ouse to [[IdenticalGrandson Ren]] in the fifth.]] Played with regarding Kyouka (a.k.a. Brushing Woman) to [[IdenticalStranger Kei]] in the third game, however, in that, while Kyouka loved Akito, she thought Akito had abandoned her (not knowing he was murdered for trying to take her away), and seeing the "return" of her "lover" angers her into attacking him.

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* Some of the [[BigBad main antagonists]] of the ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' series never harm a protagonist due to said protagonist resembling someone that the respective antagonist fell in love with while still alive. This includes [[spoiler: Kirie to [[IdenticalStranger Mafuyu]] in the first game and Ouse to [[IdenticalGrandson Ren]] in the fifth.]] Played with regarding Kyouka (a.k.a. Brushing Woman) to [[IdenticalStranger Kei]] in the third game, however, in that, while Kyouka loved Akito, [[StarCrossedLover she thought Akito had abandoned her (not knowing he was murdered for trying to take her away), away)]], and seeing the "return" of her "lover" angers her into attacking him.
15th May '17 10:14:20 PM JohnnyHuang
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* Some of the [[BigBad main antagonists]] of the ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' series never harm a protagonist due to said protagonist resembling someone that the respective antagonist fell in love with while still alive. This includes [[spoiler: Kirie to [[IdenticalStranger Mafuyu]] in the first game and Ouse to [[IdenticalGrandson Ren]] in the fifth.]] Subverted with Kyouka (a.k.a. Brushing Woman) to [[IdenticalStranger Kei]] in the third game, however, in that seeing the "return" of her "lover" angers her to attacking him.

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* Some of the [[BigBad main antagonists]] of the ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' series never harm a protagonist due to said protagonist resembling someone that the respective antagonist fell in love with while still alive. This includes [[spoiler: Kirie to [[IdenticalStranger Mafuyu]] in the first game and Ouse to [[IdenticalGrandson Ren]] in the fifth.]] Subverted Played with regarding Kyouka (a.k.a. Brushing Woman) to [[IdenticalStranger Kei]] in the third game, however, in that that, while Kyouka loved Akito, she thought Akito had abandoned her (not knowing he was murdered for trying to take her away), and seeing the "return" of her "lover" angers her to into attacking him.
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** The Draco/Lucius/Narcissa Malfoy family has no morally positive traits, save for that they genuinely love each other, culminating when [[spoiler:Narcissa Malfoy lies to Voldemort to save her son ''and gets away with it.'' In fact, since that lie ultimately resulted in Voldemort's death, [[RedemptionEarnsLife the Malfoy family was pardoned for their crimes.]]]]
** Narcissa's sister, Bellatrix, who is the worst of the Death Eaters (worse even than Voldemort himself in some respects), seems to have a close relationship with her; she calls her Cissy, and she's confident that Narcissa wouldn't hurt her, because they're sisters.

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** The Draco/Lucius/Narcissa Malfoy family has no morally positive traits, traits (well Draco has a select few), save for that they genuinely love each other, culminating when [[spoiler:Narcissa Malfoy lies to Voldemort to save her son ''and gets away with it.'' In fact, since that lie ultimately resulted in Voldemort's death, [[RedemptionEarnsLife the Malfoy family was pardoned for their crimes.]]]]
** Narcissa's sister, Bellatrix, who is the worst of the Death Eaters (worse even than Voldemort himself in some respects), respects, in senseless sadism for one), seems to have a close relationship with her; she calls her Cissy, and she's confident that Narcissa wouldn't hurt her, because they're sisters.



* A semi-common occurrence in ''{{Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne}}''. A number of Decepticons have loved ones that they genuinely care for. This has become more prominent over time, as GrayAndGreyMorality has become a bigger part of the franchise:

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* A semi-common occurrence in ''{{Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne}}''. A number of Decepticons have loved ones that they genuinely care for. This has become more prominent over time, as GrayAndGreyMorality villains with redeeming qualities has become a bigger part of the franchise:
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* In ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', Yondu Udonta is a ruthless pirate who'll gladly kill for a profit -- or if you just annoy him -- but he also cares about his men and doesn't hesitate to forgive adoptive son Peter when the opportunity presents itself. A Ravager even states that he's always had a soft spot for Peter and even [[spoiler: performs a HeroicSacrifice to save Peter in the sequel, after his biological father Ego [[OffingTheOffspring tries to kill him to further his own plans.]]]]

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* In ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', Yondu Udonta is a ruthless pirate who'll gladly kill for a profit -- or if you just annoy him -- but he also cares about his men and doesn't hesitate to forgive adoptive son Peter when the opportunity presents itself. A Ravager even states that he's always had a soft spot for Peter and even in the sequel [[spoiler: performs a HeroicSacrifice to save Peter in the sequel, Peter, after his biological father Ego [[OffingTheOffspring tries to kill him to further his own plans.]]]]


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** [[spoiler: Peter's biological father Ego The Living Planet]] ''does'' genuinely love his son and his old lover, and presumably the many other children and lovers he had over the eons. Unfortunately, he's still care more about [[ItsAllAboutMe his own plans for the universe]], than any one else.
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