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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Jon Snow struggles against the mutineers at Castle Black quite a bit, until a boy he had taken on as his steward and personally mentored steps up, and all he can do is say "Olly?" [[spoiler: When he's later brought BackFromTheDead, he seems more traumatized by Olly's part in his assassination than the assassination itself.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': The show is very fond of this kind of classical, Shakespearean flavoured betrayal:
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Jon Snow struggles against the mutineers at Castle Black quite a bit, until a boy he had taken on as his steward and personally mentored steps up, and all he can do is say "Olly?" [[spoiler: When he's later brought BackFromTheDead, he seems more traumatized by Olly's part in his assassination than the assassination itself.]]]]
** Robb Stark is betrayed by Theon Greyjoy in Season 2 and by Rickard Karstark and later to his death by Roose Bolton and Walder Frey in Season 3.
** Shae is this to Tyrion in Season 4, which is implied to be revenge for sending her away. Notably, she's the only person at his trial who tells an outright lie against him.
** Tywin can hardly fathom that his children would be capable of rebelling against him. His miffed line, "You shot me," carries far more indignation and disbelief than it does fear or pain.
12th Dec '16 6:59:43 PM StaticFactory
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* In MirrorsEdge, Faith [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG_vnKeJpKY briefly]] has this reaction when she finds out that [[spoiler: Celeste has joined the other side.]]
3rd Dec '16 9:24:01 PM WillBGood
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* [[Cao Cao UsefulNotes/ThreeKingdomsShuWeiWu]] had a childhood friend named Zhang Miao. Zhang Miao had a falling out with another of their old friends named Yuan Shao, who at the time was acting as Cao Cao's nominal superior. Yuan Shao asked Cao Cao to execute Zhang Miao for him, but Cao declined to do so. However, when Cao was invading the province of Xu in 194, Zhang Miao (fearing Cao would eventually do as Yuan asked) led a group of conspirators to invite the wandering warlord Lu Bu into Cao's territory and take over.

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* [[Cao [[UsefulNotes/ThreeKingdomsShuWeiWu Cao UsefulNotes/ThreeKingdomsShuWeiWu]] Cao]] had a childhood friend named Zhang Miao. Zhang Miao had a falling out with another of their old friends named Yuan Shao, who at the time was acting as Cao Cao's nominal superior. Yuan Shao asked Cao Cao to execute Zhang Miao for him, but Cao declined to do so. However, when Cao was invading the province of Xu in 194, Zhang Miao (fearing Cao would eventually do as Yuan asked) led a group of conspirators to invite the wandering warlord Lu Bu into Cao's territory and take over.
3rd Dec '16 9:23:11 PM WillBGood
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon explains are also men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” which the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all,'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Major changes include Jon building a peace with the wildlings, wherein he shelters them, including the weak, south of the Wall (adding strain on resources, worrying some Watch members and forcing Jon to secure a financial loan in order to provide adequate resources for Watch members, wildlings, and the civilians under his protection at Castle Black); allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; lets willing, able-bodied wildlings be trained in order to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later, sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. Just as Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon explains are also men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” which the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all,'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Major changes include Jon building a peace with the wildlings, wherein he shelters them, including the weak, south of the Wall (adding strain on resources, worrying some Watch members and forcing Jon to secure a financial loan in order to provide adequate resources for Watch members, wildlings, and the civilians under his protection at Castle Black); allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; lets willing, able-bodied wildlings be trained in order to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later, sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. Just as Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]Watch.



* ''WesternAnimation/BoJackHorseman'' has a [[TearJerker tearjerking]] example in "The Telescope". [=BoJack=] finally works the nerve of apologizing to Herb after twenty years, only for Herb to [[RejectedApology reject it]], stating that he would never forgive [=BoJack=] for leaving him alone after he got fired.
-->'''Herb''': Do you know what it was like for me? I had nobody. Everybody left! I knew all those showbiz phonies would turn on me, sure. But you?
25th Nov '16 10:51:40 AM cherrychels
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* ''Film/TheHitman'': Early on Chuck Norris' cop character is suddenly betrayed by his old partner when they're raiding a warehouse where illegal goods are being shipped. Turns out [[DirtyCop his partner was actually supervising the shipment]] until he arrived. It's so out of left field that initially, Norris just looks a bit stunned at the bullet hole in his chest.

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* ''Film/TheHitman'': Early on on, Chuck Norris' cop character is suddenly betrayed by his old partner when they're raiding a warehouse where illegal goods are being shipped. Turns out [[DirtyCop his partner was actually supervising the shipment]] until he arrived. It's so out of left field that initially, Norris just looks a bit stunned at the bullet hole in his chest.



** Though the person he perceives betrayed him gently points out BrainwashedAndCrazy is a very real danger in this universe, and so the mistrust is not entirely unwarranted.

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** Though the person he perceives to have betrayed him gently points out BrainwashedAndCrazy is a very real danger in this universe, universe and so the mistrust is not entirely unwarranted.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Some of his changes include building a peace with the wildlings, wherein he shelters them south of the Wall; allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; lets willing, able-bodied wildlings be trained in order to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later, sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. Just as Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as explains are also men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” which the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' ''all,'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Some of his Major changes include Jon building a peace with the wildlings, wherein he shelters them them, including the weak, south of the Wall; Wall (adding strain on resources, worrying some Watch members and forcing Jon to secure a financial loan in order to provide adequate resources for Watch members, wildlings, and the civilians under his protection at Castle Black); allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; lets willing, able-bodied wildlings be trained in order to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later, sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. Just as Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
25th Nov '16 9:48:16 AM cherrychels
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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends (who formed the Marauders, consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrow), betrays James Potter to Voldemort. He sends James and his family to their deaths (save for the Potters' infant son, Harry, who famously survives Voldemort's attack) after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place. Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chases him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and his own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.

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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends (who formed the Marauders, consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrow), betrays James Potter to Voldemort. He sends James' best friend Sirius entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place and Peter sells out the Potters to Voldemort by revealing their hiding place to him, sending James and his family to their deaths (save for the Potters' infant son, Harry, who famously survives Voldemort's attack) after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place.attack). Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chases him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and his own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Making an alliance with the wildlings, he allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; has willing, able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. Making an alliance Some of his changes include building a peace with the wildlings, wherein he shelters them south of the Wall; allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks; has lets willing, able-bodied wildlings be trained in order to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others; and later later, sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Just as Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
25th Nov '16 9:13:27 AM cherrychels
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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends (which formed the Marauders, consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrow), betrays James Potter to Voldemort. He sends James and his family to their deaths (save for the Potters' infant son, Harry, who famously survives Voldemort's attack) after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place. Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chases him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and Peter's own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.

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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends (which (who formed the Marauders, consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrow), betrays James Potter to Voldemort. He sends James and his family to their deaths (save for the Potters' infant son, Harry, who famously survives Voldemort's attack) after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place. Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chases him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and Peter's his own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and later sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He Making an alliance with the wildlings, he allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, ranks; has willing, able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, Others; and later sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
25th Nov '16 6:27:48 AM cherrychels
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* In ''Film/AFaceInTheCrowd'', Marcia is the [[TheOnlyOneITrust only person]] Lonesome Rhodes really trusts, so she's the last one he would suspect of being responsible for his EngineeredPublicConfession. At Mel's urging, Marcia goes up to Lonesome and confesses that she was the engineer who betrayed him, so that she'll never have to deal with him ever again.

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* In ''Film/AFaceInTheCrowd'', Marcia is the [[TheOnlyOneITrust only person]] Lonesome Rhodes really trusts, so she's the last one he would suspect of being responsible for his EngineeredPublicConfession. At Mel's urging, Marcia goes up to Lonesome and confesses that she was the engineer who betrayed him, him so that she'll never have to deal with him ever again.



* In ''Literature/TheBible'', Judas betrays Jesus. The Jews that once supported Jesus now fervently denounce and mock him, calling for his crucifixion. It's subverted in that Jesus knew about Judas's betrayal ahead of time, and, according to the [[DependingOnTheWriter Gospel of Judas]] may have even [[spoiler: asked Judas to betray him]].

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* In ''Literature/TheBible'', Judas betrays Jesus. The Jews that once supported Jesus now fervently denounce and mock him, calling for his crucifixion. It's subverted in that Jesus knew about Judas's betrayal ahead of time, time and, according to the [[DependingOnTheWriter Gospel of Judas]] Judas]], may have even [[spoiler: asked Judas to betray him]].



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and sends men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked wildling women, children, and men -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save all living beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and later sends a ranging of men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked trapped wildling women, children, and men from the ice and the Others -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
25th Nov '16 6:20:23 AM cherrychels
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save everyone, all living beings, from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and sends men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked wildling women, children, and men -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save everyone, all living beings, beings from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and sends men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked wildling women, children, and men -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends, betrays James Potter to Voldemort and sends him to his death after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place. Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chased him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and Peter's own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.

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* This was the tragedy of the Marauders in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', as explained in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Peter Pettigrew, one of the four iconic best friends, friends (which formed the Marauders, consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Peter Pettigrow), betrays James Potter to Voldemort and Voldemort. He sends him to James and his death family to their deaths (save for the Potters' infant son, Harry, who famously survives Voldemort's attack) after James' best friend Sirius Black entrusted Peter with the secret of the Potters' hiding place. Sirius went to pieces upon discovering Peter's betrayal. Rather than owning up to his betrayal when Sirius chased chases him down in a grief-stricken fury, Peter frames Sirius for the Potters' murder and Peter's own killing spree. Sirius was so heartbroken that he broke down into hysterical laughter and was dragged off to Azkaban without struggling.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes to save everyone, all living beings, from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and sends men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked wildling women, children, and men -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[spoiler:The Night Watch’s Lord Commander Jon Snow]] gets knifed in a mutiny by several of several of [[spoiler:his fellow Black Brothers, who believe that many of the changes he is making will doom the Watch while Jon institutes these changes in his efforts to save everyone, all living beings, from their approaching enemy, the Others, which is an [[ZombieApocalypse ancient army-of-the-dead]] that is [[GreaterScopeVillain Westeros' greatest threat]]. Some of his initiatives are radical and include his efforts to save the wildlings -- who Jon sees as men, women and children and part of the “realms of men” the Watch is sworn to protect -- but his opponents ''really'' don’t view the wildlings this way and this contrasts with traditional Watch views. Though Jon uses the practical argument that any living person who dies north of the Wall will become part of the [[ZombieApocalypse army-of-the-dead]] coming for them ''all'' so they must save the wildlings, he often uses the aforementioned humanitarian arguments with his opponents, which fail to convince them. He allows some wildlings to take the Black in an effort to increase the Watch's low ranks, has able-bodied wildlings trained to help defend the Wall against their common enemy, the Others, and sends men on a dangerous mission to rescue landlocked wildling women, children, and men -- which a faction of Watch members strongly disagree with. As Jon is about to lead this mission himself, he receives a threatening letter from a dangerous man, Ramsay Bolton, who threatens him, the Watch and civilians housed at Castle Black. As a result, he announces he is going to make this man answer for his words, essentially meaning he will meddle in the politics of Westeros, whereafter the mutiny occurs (though, there are hints that the faction of disgruntled Watch brothers were going perform a mutiny against Jon before his announcement). These changes are all Big Deals to anyone who knows the Wall's history.]]
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