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23rd Jun '16 12:28:52 AM Doug86
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** Creation of special forces was resisted during WorldWar2 in several countries for this very reason. Furthermore, transfering the most skilled soldiers in a certain art made it difficult to train the more conventional troops in the same as the soldiers being transfered would have been the natural instructors and leaders.

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** Creation of special forces was resisted during WorldWar2 UsefulNotes/WorldWarII in several countries for this very reason. Furthermore, transfering the most skilled soldiers in a certain art made it difficult to train the more conventional troops in the same as the soldiers being transfered would have been the natural instructors and leaders.



** Speaking of the Navy, they had commandos dating back as far as WorldWarTwo, who were involved in underwater demolitions and deep sea recovery. Then came the UsefulNotes/NavySeals, then the Navy Special Warfare Development Group, then [[UsefulNotes/NavySEALS SEAL Team Six]]. Today, anything Navy or special forces related would, odds are, center on Team Six.

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** Speaking of the Navy, they had commandos dating back as far as WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, who were involved in underwater demolitions and deep sea recovery. Then came the UsefulNotes/NavySeals, then the Navy Special Warfare Development Group, then [[UsefulNotes/NavySEALS SEAL Team Six]]. Today, anything Navy or special forces related would, odds are, center on Team Six.
23rd May '16 4:26:49 PM MarkLungo
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This is particularly common in fiction set in WorldWarII: If it is a US unit that is in focus, it is more likely to be Airborne, [[SemperFi Marine Corps]] or {{Ranger}}s than standard Army. British units are more likely to be SAS or Paras (though curiously enough, the similarly exclusive - and more relatable to US audiences - Royal Marines don't get much love). German foes, even late in the war when their quality units were mostly destroyed, are more likely to be SS Panzer divisions rather than poorly trained and equipped Volkssturm.

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This is particularly common in fiction set in WorldWarII: UsefulNotes/WorldWarII: If it is a US unit that is in focus, it is more likely to be Airborne, [[SemperFi Marine Corps]] or {{Ranger}}s than standard Army. British units are more likely to be SAS or Paras (though curiously enough, the similarly exclusive - and more relatable to US audiences - Royal Marines don't get much love). German foes, even late in the war when their quality units were mostly destroyed, are more likely to be SS Panzer divisions rather than poorly trained and equipped Volkssturm.
19th May '16 1:56:54 AM Wuz
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* ''VideoGame/RainbowSix'' comprises the Elites of the Elites. It's a multinational unit comprised of the best soldiers from each nation's commando teams.

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* ''VideoGame/RainbowSix'' comprises the Elites of the Elites. It's a multinational unit comprised of the best soldiers from each nation's commando teams.
4th Apr '16 3:09:12 PM margdean56
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** It's worth noting that no-one considers the 95th a particularly glamourous posting, the unit being a young unit mainly composed of conscripted poachers with jumped-up rankers for officers. The true glamourous elites are units like the Blues and Royals, the Scottish Grenadiers and the Royal American Rifles. Sharpe is at one point offered a transfer to the RAR, and it is clear that the offerer considers this a considerable step up, even without an accompanying promotion.

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** It's worth noting that no-one no one considers the 95th a particularly glamourous glamorous posting, the unit being a young unit mainly composed of conscripted poachers with jumped-up rankers for officers. The true glamourous glamorous elites are units like the Blues and Royals, the Scottish Grenadiers and the Royal American Rifles. Sharpe is at one point offered a transfer to the RAR, and it is clear that the offerer considers this a considerable step up, even without an accompanying promotion.
2nd Apr '16 4:49:41 AM Morgenthaler
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* The Americans at your disposal in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: [[CommandAndConquerGenerals Generals]]'' is made up of mostly elites and high-tech regulars. The Army Rangers are the basic U.S. Army infantry.

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* The Americans at your disposal in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: [[CommandAndConquerGenerals Generals]]'' ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerGenerals'' is made up of mostly elites and high-tech regulars. The Army Rangers are the basic U.S. Army infantry.
3rd Mar '16 1:11:03 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** ''VideoGame/Halo3ODST'', the "gaiden" game of the series where you get to play as a regular human instead of a Spartan SuperSoldier, still has you take the role of an ODST (the UNSC's most elite non-Spartan unit) sent in by [[StateSec the Office of Naval Intelligence]], rather than a basic marine. In fact, the [=ODSTs=] you play as are specifically "Helljumpers" from the 105th Shock Troops Division, making them badass even by ODST standards.
** ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' maintains the tradition as well. For one thing, NOBLE Team is fairly elite for a traditionally expendable SPARTAN-III team, to the point that one of their members is a much more valuable Spartan-II. For another, the player character, Noble 6, is a black ops assassin who is the only other person with the same lethality rating as Master Chief, which is more impressive given that Noble 6 is also a Spartan-III.

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** ''VideoGame/Halo3ODST'', the "gaiden" game of the series where you get to play as a regular human instead of a Spartan SuperSoldier, still has you take the role of an ODST play as various [=ODSTs=] (the UNSC's most elite non-Spartan unit) units) sent in by [[StateSec the Office of Naval Intelligence]], rather than a basic marine.marines. In fact, the [=ODSTs=] you play as are specifically "Helljumpers" from the 105th Shock Troops Division, making them badass even by ODST standards.
** ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' maintains the tradition as well. For one thing, NOBLE Team is fairly elite for a traditionally expendable SPARTAN-III team, to the point that one of their members is a much more valuable Spartan-II. For another, the player character, Noble 6, is a black ops assassin who is the only other person with the same lethality rating as Master Chief, which is more impressive given that Noble 6 him/herself is also a Spartan-III.
9th Feb '16 3:48:13 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' you normally play as the Master Chief, a super-elite, semi-secret, power-armoured, and surgically-enhanced SPARTAN-II SuperSoldier. In the second game, you play as the Arbiter, a member of the Covenant species colloquially called "Elites" for their prowess in battle (all of them are physically a match for the aforementioned Spartan-[=IIs=]). He is deployed alongside the Covenant's own special forces on various {{Suicide Mission}}s to atone for not being able to stop the Chief in the previous game, and he happens to be the former Supreme Commander of a massive fleet who earned his position through AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
** In the third game's co-op mode, players 3 and 4 get to play as two Elites from the ''Fleet of Retribution''[='s=] Special Warfare Group; N'tho 'Sraom is the youngest member of his Special Operations unit, and Usze 'Taham is a highly distinguished Fleet Security operative.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' you ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':
** You
normally play as the Master Chief, a super-elite, semi-secret, power-armoured, and surgically-enhanced SPARTAN-II SuperSoldier. In the second game, you play as the Arbiter, a member of the Covenant species colloquially called "Elites" for their prowess in battle (all of them are physically a match for the aforementioned Spartan-[=IIs=]). He is deployed alongside the Covenant's own special forces on various {{Suicide Mission}}s to atone for not being able to stop the Chief in the previous game, and he happens to be the former Supreme Commander of a massive fleet who earned his position through AsskickingEqualsAuthority.SuperSoldier.
** In ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'', you also play as the third game's Arbiter, a member of the Covenant species colloquially called "Elites" for their prowess in battle (all of them are physically a match for the aforementioned Spartan-[=IIs=]). He is deployed alongside the Covenant's own special forces on various {{Suicide Mission}}s to atone for not being able to stop the Chief in the first game, and he happens to be the former Supreme Commander of a massive fleet who earned his position through AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
** In ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'''s
co-op mode, players 3 and 4 get to play as two Elites from the ''Fleet of Retribution''[='s=] Special Warfare Group; N'tho 'Sraom is the youngest member of his Special Operations unit, and Usze 'Taham is a highly distinguished Fleet Security operative.operative. Players 1 and 2? The Chief and Arbiter.



** ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'' also continues the tradition, with Spartan-[=IVs=] as the stars of both the multiplayer and the "Spartan Ops" co-op campaign. ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' goes even further; the campaign is split between the [=Spartan-IIs=] of Blue Team (including the Chief) and the [=Spartan-IVs=] of Fireteam Osiris (which includes both Jameson Locke of the above-mentioned ''Nightfall'' and Edward Buck from ''ODST'').

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** ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'' also continues the tradition, with Spartan-[=IVs=] as the stars of both the multiplayer and the "Spartan Ops" co-op campaign. campaign.
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''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' goes even further; the campaign is split between the [=Spartan-IIs=] of Blue Team (including the Chief) and the [=Spartan-IVs=] of Fireteam Osiris (which includes both Jameson Locke of the above-mentioned ''Nightfall'' and Edward Buck from ''ODST'').
9th Feb '16 3:43:27 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In 'VideoGame/'RiseOfNations'', the main infantry unit for the Americans is the Marine. This appears in a slightly different form elsewhere. As unique units of civilizations are upgraded past their historical ages, the game usually "elites" them. Sometimes, it's not so bad like companion cavalry -> cataphracts. Some are pushing it like Roman legions -> Praetorian Guard. But [[UsefulNotes/SouthKorea Hwarang]] -> Elite Hwarang -> Royal Hwarang -> Elite Royal Hwarang is just silly.

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* In 'VideoGame/'RiseOfNations'', ''VideoGame/RiseOfNations'', the main infantry unit for the Americans is the Marine. This appears in a slightly different form elsewhere. As unique units of civilizations are upgraded past their historical ages, the game usually "elites" them. Sometimes, it's not so bad like companion cavalry -> cataphracts. Some are pushing it like Roman legions -> Praetorian Guard. But [[UsefulNotes/SouthKorea Hwarang]] -> Elite Hwarang -> Royal Hwarang -> Elite Royal Hwarang is just silly.


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* Played with in ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChroniclesII''; while your team members are all cadets from Gallia's most elite military academy, the actual class they're in is a dumping ground for said academy's [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits underachievers, eccentrics, and social undesirables]]. That said, they still end up proving themselves to be some of Gallia's best soldiers.
* Also played with in ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChroniclesIII'', where your unit is a black-ops penal legion. However, their exploits (though [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold not their fame]]) go on to rival those of Squad 7 itself.
9th Feb '16 3:27:24 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Although in the hierarchy as detailed in the ExpandedUniverse, ARC Troopers are even more elite than Commandos. 'If you want the job done, send [[RedShirtArmy 100 Clone Troopers]], [[TheSquad 4 Commandos]], or [[OneManArmy 1 ARC Trooper]].'

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** Although in the hierarchy as detailed in the ExpandedUniverse, other ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' media, ARC Troopers are even more elite than Commandos. 'If you want the job done, send [[RedShirtArmy 100 Clone Troopers]], [[TheSquad 4 Commandos]], or [[OneManArmy 1 ARC Trooper]].'



* In ''RiseOfNations'', the main infantry unit for the Americans is the Marine. This appears in a slightly different form elsewhere. As unique units of civilizations are upgraded past their historical ages, the game usually "elites" them. Sometimes, it's not so bad like companion cavalry -> cataphracts. Some are pushing it like Roman legions -> Praetorian Guard. But [[UsefulNotes/SouthKorea Hwarang]] -> Elite Hwarang -> Royal Hwarang -> Elite Royal Hwarang is just silly.

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* In ''RiseOfNations'', 'VideoGame/'RiseOfNations'', the main infantry unit for the Americans is the Marine. This appears in a slightly different form elsewhere. As unique units of civilizations are upgraded past their historical ages, the game usually "elites" them. Sometimes, it's not so bad like companion cavalry -> cataphracts. Some are pushing it like Roman legions -> Praetorian Guard. But [[UsefulNotes/SouthKorea Hwarang]] -> Elite Hwarang -> Royal Hwarang -> Elite Royal Hwarang is just silly.



* Averted in the beginning of ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChronicles'' where your unit is made up out of a bunch of civilian militia recruits and local police forces with the only exceptional item being your main characters father's tank. However not only do your units gain 'elite' status when leveled high enough, by the end of the game your unit is taking on all the truly epic missions anyway. Hell, Squad 7 is the only reason Gallia doesn't fall. The entire army-- the ''entire main army''-- gets completely obliterated in one mission. Absolutely ''nothing changes'', because the army was useless anyway and their general was specifically sending your squad out to die as {{cannon fodder}}; Squad 7 was [[SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder just too awesome to die]]. They might not have been officially named elites, but that's the only reason they weren't.

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* Averted in the beginning of ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChronicles'' where your unit unit, Squad 7, is made up out of a bunch of civilian militia recruits and local police forces with the only exceptional item being your main characters father's tank. However However, not only do your units gain 'elite' status when leveled high enough, by the end of the game your unit is taking on all the truly epic missions anyway. Hell, Squad 7 is the only reason Gallia doesn't fall. The fall, as the entire army-- the ''entire main army''-- gets completely obliterated in one mission. towards the end of the game. Absolutely ''nothing changes'', because the army was useless anyway and their general was specifically sending your squad out to die anyway. That said, Squad 7 is actually treated by the rest of the army as mere {{cannon fodder}}; Squad 7 was they were [[SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder just too awesome to die]]. They But while they might not have been officially named elites, but that's the only reason what they weren't.really were.



* The Americans yet again; this time, in ''ActOfWar'', although this is more towards a specific BadassArmy branch known as "Task Force Talon". They get the so-called bleeding edge technology that no one else can get. Your basic grunt is the Task Force Commando. [[RankInflation Tech up and you get the Future Force Warrior.]]

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* The Americans yet again; this time, in ''ActOfWar'', ''VideoGame/ActOfWar'', although this is more towards a specific BadassArmy branch known as "Task Force Talon". They get the so-called bleeding edge technology that no one else can get. Your basic grunt is the Task Force Commando. [[RankInflation Tech up and you get the Future Force Warrior.]]



* Partially averted in ''OperationFlashpoint: Dragon Rising''. While there are plenty of missions where you play as a Force Recon unit named Saber, performing stealth and infiltration tasks...most of the ''really'' epic battles in the game have you in the role of a unit of standard frontline infantry named Dagger. [[spoiler:And they're who you play as in the final, war-winning mission of the game.]]
* In the original ''OperationFlashpoint'', you play as four different people. One is an SF operator, yes, and playing as him involves frankly hair-raising crawls through enemy camps to sabotage tanks, and so forth. But the others are: a Pilot, flying a variety of missions which though important are nothing elite; a tank commander on the front line; and an infantryman in the thick of the fighting as part of a large unit with no special tasking or characteristics. So a massive aversion for the most part here. SpiritualSuccessor ''{{ARMA}}'' and its sequel carry on in the same vein; the final DLC for ''ArmA II'' lets you play as an ordinary line infantryman, helicopter pilot or tank commander in the Army of the Czech Republic, who haven't even invaded anyone by themselves recently.
** Additionally, missions featuring special forces operative are usually stealth-based and include very little to no actual fighting.

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* Partially averted in ''OperationFlashpoint: ''VideoGame/OperationFlashpoint: Dragon Rising''. While there are plenty of missions where you play as a Force Recon unit named Saber, performing stealth and infiltration tasks...most of the ''really'' epic battles in the game have you in the role of a unit of standard frontline infantry named Dagger. [[spoiler:And they're who you play as in the final, war-winning mission of the game.]]
* ** In the original ''OperationFlashpoint'', ''Operation Flashpoint'', you play as four different people. One is an SF operator, yes, and playing as him involves frankly hair-raising crawls through enemy camps to sabotage tanks, and so forth. But the others are: a Pilot, flying a variety of missions which though important are nothing elite; a tank commander on the front line; and an infantryman in the thick of the fighting as part of a large unit with no special tasking or characteristics. So a massive aversion for the most part here.
*** Additionally, missions featuring the special forces operative are usually stealth-based and include very little to no actual fighting.
* ''Operation Flashpoint''[='s=]
SpiritualSuccessor ''{{ARMA}}'' ''VideoGame/{{ARMA}}'' and its sequel carry on in the same vein; the final DLC for ''ArmA II'' lets you play as an ordinary line infantryman, helicopter pilot or tank commander in the Army of the Czech Republic, who haven't even invaded anyone by themselves recently.
** Additionally, missions featuring special forces operative are usually stealth-based and include very little to no actual fighting.
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* Hilariously averted in ''[[VideoGame/BattlefieldBadCompany Bad Company]]'', where the cast is part of the RedshirtArmy and knows it, once [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] that they're going into an important but dangerous mission first just to see ''how'' dangerous it is, because the elites cost more money to train and are thus "too expensive to waste." Subverted in ''Bad Company 2'' when Sweetwater insists the squad be the ones to tackle the villain's scheme, not trusting the spec-ops guys and their "[[TakeThat pussy-ass]] [[VideoGame/ModernWarfare heartbeat monitors]]" to get the job done. [[BadassNormal The boys of B-Company succeed.]]

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* Hilariously averted in ''[[VideoGame/BattlefieldBadCompany Bad Company]]'', ''VideoGame/BattlefieldBadCompany'', where the cast is part of the RedshirtArmy and knows it, once [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] that they're going into an important but dangerous mission first just to see ''how'' dangerous it is, because the elites cost more money to train and are thus "too expensive to waste." Subverted in ''Bad Company 2'' when Sweetwater insists the squad be the ones to tackle the villain's scheme, not trusting the spec-ops guys and their "[[TakeThat pussy-ass]] [[VideoGame/ModernWarfare heartbeat monitors]]" to get the job done. [[BadassNormal The boys of B-Company succeed.]]



* The protagonist duo of the ArmyOfTwo series began their careers as US Army Rangers who decided to become private military contractors (which tend to be Elites who get paid more and don't have to worry about a government defense budget and NATO "lowest bidder" equipment standardization).
* Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic has the Trooper character, the newest addition to the Republic's elite Havoc Squad, with a starting rank of Sergeant, and regarded as the 'best of the best'. Subverted, though, in that their starting equipment is a t-shirt and weapons worse than the rest of his squad and piddling starter weapons that are worse than the Separatists they'll be fighting, their own squadmates in Havoc, and even the local militia.

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* The protagonist duo of the ArmyOfTwo ''VideoGame/ArmyOfTwo'' series began their careers as US Army Rangers who decided to become private military contractors (which tend to be Elites who get paid more and don't have to worry about a government defense budget and NATO "lowest bidder" equipment standardization).
* Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic ''Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' has the Trooper character, the newest addition to the Republic's elite Havoc Squad, with a starting rank of Sergeant, and regarded as the 'best of the best'. Subverted, though, in that their starting equipment is a t-shirt and weapons worse than the rest of his squad and piddling starter weapons that are worse than the Separatists they'll be fighting, their own squadmates in Havoc, and even the local militia.



* Averted in the ''GearsOfWar'' series, where all the main characters are their world's equivalent of regular enlisted men who keep stumbling into critical situations. The Onyx Guard, the actual elite of the [=COG=] military, only appear a couple times in the expanded universe, and get utterly slaughtered every time they do.
* [[MortalKombat Lt. Sonya Blade and Maj. Jackson Briggs]] are both Special Forces, though the games don't explicitly say what type. Sonya's attire in some games implies Green Beret.
* The VideoGame/{{Commandos}} series is one of the rare example of fictional representation of the British Commandos.
* The ''[[Franchise/MetalGear Metal Gear Solid]]'' series has one of its major characters Big Boss be a career veteran of the United States Military who was involved in various Special Forces. He served as a Green Beret for 10 years until he was recruited by the CIA to be part of a fictional group known as FOX. Later on he served in Vietnam doing the CIA's top secret black ops working such groups as MAC-V SOG and the Navy Seals. According to the fiction of the universe Big Boss was also the man that helped found the Delta Force and his own personal black ops organization under his command called FOXHOUND, a successor to FOX.
** Solid Snake himself was a former Green Beret before joining FOXHOUND

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* Averted in the ''GearsOfWar'' ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' series, where all the main characters are their world's equivalent of regular enlisted men who keep stumbling into critical situations. The Onyx Guard, the actual elite of the [=COG=] military, only appear a couple times in the expanded universe, and get utterly slaughtered every time they do.
* [[MortalKombat ''Franchise/MortalKombat'': Lt. Sonya Blade and Maj. Jackson Briggs]] Briggs are both Special Forces, though the games don't explicitly say what type. Sonya's attire in some games implies Green Beret.
* The VideoGame/{{Commandos}} ''VideoGame/{{Commandos}}'' series is one of the rare example of fictional representation of the British Commandos.
* The ''[[Franchise/MetalGear Metal Gear Solid]]'' ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series has one of its major characters Big Boss be a career veteran of the United States Military who was involved in various Special Forces. He served as a Green Beret for 10 years until he was recruited by the CIA to be part of a fictional group known as FOX. Later on he served in Vietnam doing the CIA's top secret black ops working such groups as MAC-V SOG and the Navy Seals. According to the fiction of the universe Big Boss was also the man that helped found the Delta Force and his own personal black ops organization under his command called FOXHOUND, a successor to FOX.
** Solid Snake himself was a former Green Beret before joining FOXHOUNDFOXHOUND.



* In VideoGame/CounterStrike, the Counter-Terrorist team is made up of the US SEAL Team, the British SAS, the French GIGN, the German GSG-9, and the Russian Spetznaz.

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* In VideoGame/CounterStrike, ''VideoGame/CounterStrike'', the Counter-Terrorist team is made up of the US SEAL Team, the British SAS, the French GIGN, the German GSG-9, and the Russian Spetznaz.
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* Many stories in the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' are about members of the Jaguars, the * American elite troops / jungle fighters.
* Most of the stories in the Roleplay/VastEmpire setting are about the elite stormtroopers of Phoenix Company.

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* Many stories in the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' are about members of the Jaguars, the * American *American elite troops / jungle fighters.
* Most of the stories in the Roleplay/VastEmpire ''Roleplay/VastEmpire'' setting are about the elite stormtroopers of Phoenix Company.
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