History Main / ElitesAreMoreGlamorous

15th Mar '18 8:25:15 AM MaulMachine
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** Humanity: The N7 special forces, which represent the very best of the best of the [[TheFederation Systems Alliance military.]] The N7 are just the highest tier of soldiers who have completed every level of [[TrainingFromHell Interplanetary Combatives Training]], which is so grueling and intense that even soldiers who wash out at the first level (N1) are greatly respected by their comrades for simply being ''selected'' in the first place. Shepard is also an N7 marine [[OneManArmy in addition to]] being a Spectre.

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** Humanity: The N7 special forces, which represent the very best of the best of the [[TheFederation Systems Alliance military.]] The N7 are just the highest tier of soldiers who have completed every level of [[TrainingFromHell Interplanetary Combatives Training]], which is so grueling and intense that even soldiers who wash out at the first level (N1) are greatly respected by their comrades for simply being ''selected'' in the first place. Shepard is also an N7 marine Naval Special Warfare officer [[OneManArmy in addition to]] being a Spectre.
8th Mar '18 1:13:32 AM DeepRed
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Presumably happens because of the RuleOfCool: famous units and battles are simply more "special". Also, since special forces units consists of [[TheSpartanWay better trained]] soldiers with high qualifications and (usually) superior equipment, it's generally [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief more believable]] for them to succeed. For works based on RealLife, this focus can simply reflect historical TruthInTelevision, as is the case with ''Film/BlackHawkDown'' and ''Series/BandOfBrothers''. Insofar as elite forces have a smaller average unit size and this is a desirable situation in a fictional work, that's another reason for this trope.

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Presumably happens because of the RuleOfCool: famous units and battles are simply more "special"."[[UsefulNotes/TheModernDayRambo special]]". Also, since special forces units consists of [[TheSpartanWay better trained]] soldiers with high qualifications and (usually) superior equipment, it's generally [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief more believable]] for them to succeed. For works based on RealLife, this focus can simply reflect historical TruthInTelevision, as is the case with ''Film/BlackHawkDown'' and ''Series/BandOfBrothers''. Insofar as elite forces have a smaller average unit size and this is a desirable situation in a fictional work, that's another reason for this trope.
24th Feb '18 2:32:59 PM nombretomado
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** ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 2}}'' has a Special Forces class for each of the playable factions, and even a Special Forces expansion pack which features the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks US Navy SEALs]], [[RussiansWithRustingRockets Russian Spetznaz]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships British SAS]], and [[MiddleEasternCoalition MEC]] Special Forces.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 2}}'' has a Special Forces class for each of the playable factions, and even a Special Forces expansion pack which features the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks US Navy SEALs]], [[RussiansWithRustingRockets [[UsefulNotes/RussiansWithRustingRockets Russian Spetznaz]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships British SAS]], and [[MiddleEasternCoalition MEC]] Special Forces.
19th Feb '18 10:37:41 AM babyhenchy1
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** Asari: The asari commandos, who form the elite of their military. They're all extremely talented in biotics and guerrilla tactics, and InUniverse are considered the deadliest individual warriors in the galaxy. In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', FlavorText for their War Assets entry mentions an incident in which a group of '''five''' commandos managed to whittle down a group of over a hundred mercenaries over the course of several days before finally forcing the survivors to surrender with ''zero casualties.''

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** Asari: The asari commandos, who form the elite of their military. They're all extremely talented in biotics and guerrilla tactics, and InUniverse are considered the deadliest individual warriors in the galaxy. In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', FlavorText for their War Assets entry mentions an incident in which a group of '''five''' commandos managed to whittle down a group of over a hundred Blood Pack mercenaries over the course of several days before finally forcing the survivors to surrender with ''zero casualties.''[[CurbStompBattle zero casualties]].''
14th Feb '18 12:56:16 PM CountDorku
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** The USS ''[[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Discovery]]'' is built using ''all'' of Starfleet's shiniest new toys, including a unique OrganicTechnology "spore drive".
9th Feb '18 9:25:48 AM MarkLungo
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* Deconstructed ''heavily'' in many works by ''Creator/GarthEnnis'', notably ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', ''ComicBook/TheBoys'', and ''ComicBook/FuryMax''. Elite formations such as the SAS, Green Berets, Delta Force and Spetsnaz ''are'' more glamorous to civilians and rank-and-file soldiers, and they're certainly trained and equipped to make spectacular splashes... but ultimately, they're too few in number to actually win wars. That's the job of the great masses of the regular armies, navies and air forces, who endure horror, boredom and vastly more casualties (and for much longer) to assure a lasting victory. So, they may be ''glamorous'', but they're not as ''effective'' as many would believe.
** Taken even ''further'' in his characterization of [[ComicBook/NickFury Fury]], where long-term Special Operations officers really do believe they can do anything, and as a result keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Worse than that, they get so addicted to the action - fighting a war how they want to, without the restraint of too much army discipline - that ''winning'' wars is no longer their goal; they just want to ''[[BloodKnight keep fighting them]]''.
--> ''"Too many of us had started out in Special Operations. The way we told the story, it was guys like us that had beat the Krauts and the Japs by stealth alone... When, really, the war was won by the grunt in his foxhole, sitting in a foot of water for a month. The navy gunner who keeps on firing, even when the fucking kamikaze crashes down his throat. The kid who climbs into his B-17 for one more mission, pissing his pants to Berlin and back, coming home with the co-pilots intestines slopping in his lap. Again and again and again. For what seems like forever. But we saw it differently. So we found the evidence we needed and ignored the rest, just to sell the notion that the special forces - the little units that could do '''so much''' - were the future. And somewhere along the way, we got the idea there was nothing we couldn't do."''
* Hilariously Averted in in the character of [[TheAuthority Kev Hawkins]], another Ennis creation. A veteran of the British Army and the Special Air Service, Kev has seen combat on every continent and is a truly formidable soldier... who is also narrow-minded, slovenly, foul-mouthed, often manipulated, somewhat bigoted and perpetually broke. He's by no means an exception: throughout his own miniseries, most of his SAS friends are shown to be similarly low-class and cash-strapped, doing what they do because that life is ''all they're good at''. So, yes, they may be horrifyingly lethal, but they're certainly not glamorous.

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* Deconstructed ''heavily'' in many works by ''Creator/GarthEnnis'', Creator/GarthEnnis, notably ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', ''ComicBook/TheBoys'', and ''ComicBook/FuryMax''. Elite formations such as the SAS, Green Berets, Delta Force and Spetsnaz ''are'' more glamorous to civilians and rank-and-file soldiers, and they're certainly trained and equipped to make spectacular splashes... but ultimately, they're too few in number to actually win wars. That's the job of the great masses of the regular armies, navies and air forces, who endure horror, boredom and vastly more casualties (and for much longer) to assure a lasting victory. So, they may be ''glamorous'', but they're not as ''effective'' as many would believe.
** Taken even ''further'' in his characterization of [[ComicBook/NickFury Fury]], ComicBook/NickFury, where long-term Special Operations officers really do believe they can do anything, and as a result keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Worse than that, they get so addicted to the action - fighting a war how they want to, without the restraint of too much army discipline - that ''winning'' wars is no longer their goal; they just want to ''[[BloodKnight keep fighting them]]''.
--> ''"Too many of us had started out in Special Operations. The way we told the story, it was guys like us that had beat the Krauts and the Japs by stealth alone... When, really, the war was won by the grunt in his foxhole, sitting in a foot of water for a month. The navy gunner who keeps on firing, even when the fucking kamikaze crashes down his throat. The kid who climbs into his B-17 for one more mission, pissing his pants to Berlin UsefulNotes/{{Berlin}} and back, coming home with the co-pilots co-pilot's intestines slopping in his lap. Again and again and again. For what seems like forever. But we saw it differently. So we found the evidence we needed and ignored the rest, just to sell the notion that the special forces - the little units that could do '''so much''' - were the future. And somewhere along the way, we got the idea there was nothing we couldn't do."''
* Hilariously Averted in in the character of [[TheAuthority Kev Hawkins]], Hawkins from ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'', another Ennis creation. A veteran of the British Army and the Special Air Service, Kev has seen combat on every continent and is a truly formidable soldier... who is also narrow-minded, slovenly, foul-mouthed, often manipulated, somewhat bigoted and perpetually broke. He's by no means an exception: throughout his own miniseries, most of his SAS friends are shown to be similarly low-class and cash-strapped, doing what they do because that life is ''all they're good at''. So, yes, they may be horrifyingly lethal, but they're certainly not glamorous.
6th Feb '18 2:20:59 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* The SAS, still considered to be some of the best (if not ''the'' best) Special Forces on the planet and undoubtedly the most glamorous (and most mysterious, because very little is actually known about it) regiment in the British Army. Consideration for entrance requires at least three years of good service in another regiment, then take part in the absurdly gruelling 'Selection'. [[TheSpartanWay The Hill phase, only the very beginning, which has ''killed'' people in the past]] and only 15-20% candidates remain after undergoing it. And these are young professional soldiers in tip-top condition. Then follows the jungle phase (the same, but in a jungle), the combat survival exercise including a week-long 'escape and evasion' and finally, a 36 hour 'resistance to interrogation' test, [[ColdBloodedTorture which is exactly what it sounds like.]] All those who survive this absurdly brutal process are apparently rewarded with operational deployments.
** This might contribute to their description by extremely experienced BBC War Correspondent Kate Adie: "They were a lot like Martians: silent, watchful and festooned with strange weaponry." Adie had first brought the SAS into the public eye with her live coverage of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege 1980 Iran embassy siege]].
** The Parachute regiment, meanwhile, is invitation only. Paras wear maroon berets with highly distinctive badges worn conspicuously far to the sides of their faces. It is somewhat less glamorous, however, thanks to a nasty reputation earned by the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre.

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* The SAS, still considered to be some of the best (if not ''the'' best) Special Forces on the planet and undoubtedly the most glamorous (and most mysterious, because very little is actually known about it) them, and they prefer it that way - which rather adds to the glamour) regiment in the British Army. Consideration for entrance requires at least three years of good service in another regiment, then take taking part in the absurdly gruelling 'Selection'. [[TheSpartanWay The Hill phase, only the very beginning, which has ''killed'' people in the past]] and only 15-20% candidates remain after undergoing it. And these are young professional soldiers in tip-top condition. Then follows the jungle phase (the same, but in a jungle), the combat survival exercise including a week-long 'escape and evasion' and finally, a 36 hour 'resistance to interrogation' test, [[ColdBloodedTorture which is exactly what it sounds like.]] All those who survive this absurdly brutal process are apparently rewarded with operational deployments.
** This might contribute to their description by extremely experienced BBC War Correspondent Kate Adie: "They were a lot like Martians: silent, watchful and festooned with strange weaponry." Adie had first brought the SAS into the public eye with her live coverage of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege 1980 Iran embassy siege]].
siege]], until which point most civilians weren't actually sure if they existed.
** The Parachute regiment, meanwhile, is invitation only. Paras wear maroon berets with highly distinctive badges worn conspicuously far to the sides of their faces. It is somewhat less glamorous, however, thanks to a nasty reputation earned by the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre. massacre, to the point that they're sometimes considered the TokenEvilTeamMate of the British Army. In reality, they're usually no better or worse than the rest of the army (morally speaking, that is - in terms of their actual competence, they're the next best thing to the SAS, and a significant chunk of the SAS is composed of ex Paras).



* During World War II the so-called "Chindits" were British special forces who performed operations of great heroism and derring-do and was widely publicized... But they suffered such heavy casualties and were so expensive to supply and train that their effectiveness was questionable. Field Marshall William Slim was probably speaking of the Chindits when he made following quote. The Chindits spent 1942 and 43 playing hide-and-seek behind the Japanese lines in Burma to little effect. Slim took over the 14th Army in late 1943 and turned the entire force into highly mobile light infantry. Over the next two years he kicked the Japanese entirely out of Burma; his key tactic was to let his units be surrounded and rely on airdropped supplies to outlast the enemy offensives. He taught the 14th not to rely on conventional supply lines and make frequent offensive patrols - he refused to let his men think the Japanese were superior jungle fighters. In 1945 Slim's army was, man for man, the toughest fighting force in the world.

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* During World War II the so-called "Chindits" were British special forces who performed operations of great heroism and derring-do and was widely publicized... But they suffered such heavy casualties and were so expensive to supply and train that their effectiveness was questionable. Field Marshall William Slim was probably speaking of the Chindits when he made following the below quote. The Chindits spent 1942 and 43 playing hide-and-seek behind the Japanese lines in Burma to little effect. Slim took over the 14th Army in late 1943 and turned the entire force into highly mobile light infantry. Over the next two years he kicked the Japanese entirely out of Burma; his key tactic was to let his units be surrounded and rely on airdropped supplies to outlast the enemy offensives. He taught the 14th not to rely on conventional supply lines and make frequent offensive patrols - he refused to let his men think the Japanese were superior jungle fighters. In 1945 Slim's army was, man for man, the toughest fighting force in the world.
3rd Feb '18 5:36:40 PM nombretomado
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** Taken even ''further'' in his characterization of [[NickFury Fury]], where long-term Special Operations officers really do believe they can do anything, and as a result keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Worse than that, they get so addicted to the action - fighting a war how they want to, without the restraint of too much army discipline - that ''winning'' wars is no longer their goal; they just want to ''[[BloodKnight keep fighting them]]''.

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** Taken even ''further'' in his characterization of [[NickFury [[ComicBook/NickFury Fury]], where long-term Special Operations officers really do believe they can do anything, and as a result keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Worse than that, they get so addicted to the action - fighting a war how they want to, without the restraint of too much army discipline - that ''winning'' wars is no longer their goal; they just want to ''[[BloodKnight keep fighting them]]''.
24th Jan '18 9:16:16 PM Gamermaster
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* [[{{UsefulNotes:Israel}} Israel]] has the Golani Brigade (Army paratroopers), Shatyelet 13 (Navy commandos), and the Air Force in general.

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* [[{{UsefulNotes:Israel}} Israel]] UsefulNotes/{{Israel}} has the Golani Brigade (Army paratroopers), Shatyelet 13 (Navy commandos), and the Air Force in general.
20th Jan '18 6:06:10 PM Epicazeroth
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** While not a Council race, Krogan Battlemasters are generally treated as the most dangerous people in the galaxy, being extremely powerful biotics from a species of walking tanks. The only one we see, teammate Urdnot Wrex, mentions that he once had a week-long battle with an Asari commando that ended when they ''blew up the station they were on''.
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