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21st May '17 11:19:54 AM HighCrate
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* As pictured above, in ''Manga/{{MAR}}'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively, and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy, Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which, given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches, was a huge missed opportunity for them.

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* As pictured above, in ''Manga/{{MAR}}'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively, and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy, Later, Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which, given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches, was a huge missed opportunity for them.
10th Feb '17 3:06:25 AM Chabal2
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** Inverted in ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'' thanks to ArtificialStupidity. One of Lance's Pokemon would use a Psychic-type move against enemies weak to it (such as Poison)... except its only Psychic move is Agility, which only increases its own speed without doing damage (despite having other, highly damaging moves). This allowed one of ''WebOriginal/TwitchPlaysPokemon'''s greatest CMOAs: a Venomoth earning the title "Dragonslayer".
19th Dec '16 11:11:25 AM Luigifan
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[[caption-width-right:250:[-Yes, her element is ice, yes, that's a volcano behind her.-] ]]

Let's say you, the average fire mage get into a bit of a scuffle and find yourself in a duel to the death. Don't worry, it's not your fault really, but you don't really have a choice here. Now you, being a fire mage, know that you happen to be very well versed in the art of using fire, you may even say it's your lifeblood, your ''modus operandi'' so to speak. You know the intricacies of fire in and out. Your opposing duelist allows you to select between several locations to have the duel. You can choose the [[LethalLavaLand fiery volcano]], the [[ShiftingSandLand dry, arid, hot desert]], or the [[UnderTheSea bottom of the ocean]]. Which do you pick? The ocean of course!

Wait... what? This trope is when, for whatever reason, the characters insist on using the most illogical matchup possible, like using the fire hose on the water mage, or the ice princess in the volcano field. Now sometimes this may be [[JustifiedTrope justified]] if, say, the person, despite having a disadvantage has some other good reason to fight them. This may include wanting revenge, having an intimate knowledge of the opponent, despite being weak to his element (say, two water mages fighting each other, despite them being resistant to each others attacks), felt like some [[CherryTapping Cherry Tapping]], or just because [[ScissorsCutsRock even though they're at a type disadvantage they outclass the opponent in sheer strength and experience]].

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[[caption-width-right:250:[-Yes, her element is ice, yes, ice. Yes, that's a volcano behind her.-] ]]

Let's say you, the average fire mage get into a bit of a scuffle and find yourself in a duel to the death. Don't worry, it's not your fault really, but you don't really have a choice here. Now you, being a fire mage, know that you happen to be very well versed in the art of using fire, you may even say it's your lifeblood, your ''modus operandi'' so to speak. You know the intricacies of fire in and out. Your opposing duelist allows you to select between several locations to have the duel. You can choose the [[LethalLavaLand fiery volcano]], the [[ShiftingSandLand dry, arid, hot desert]], or the [[UnderTheSea bottom of the ocean]]. Which do you pick? The ocean ocean, of course!

course!

Wait... what? This trope is when, for whatever reason, the characters insist on using the most illogical matchup possible, like using the fire hose on the water mage, or the ice princess in the volcano field. Now Now, sometimes this may be [[JustifiedTrope justified]] if, say, the person, despite having a disadvantage disadvantage, has some other good reason to fight them. This may include wanting revenge, having an intimate knowledge of the opponent, despite being weak to his element (say, two water mages fighting each other, despite them being resistant to each others other's attacks), felt like some [[CherryTapping Cherry Tapping]], or just because [[ScissorsCutsRock even though they're at a type disadvantage disadvantage, they outclass the opponent in sheer strength and experience]].



* As pictured above, in ''Manga/{{MAR}}'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches was a huge missed opportunity for them.

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* As pictured above, in ''Manga/{{MAR}}'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively respectively, and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy GenreSavvy, Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which which, given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches matches, was a huge missed opportunity for them.



** When Ash first goes up against Brock, he's using Pikachu (Electric-type) vs. Geodude (Rock/Ground-type). This wouldn't count, since none of his other pokémon at that point could bypass Geodude's Rock-type reduction, he insists on Pikachu using Electric-type attacks (which deal no damage against Ground-types) instead of Normal-type attacks, which will at least do half damage.

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** When Ash first goes up against Brock, he's using Pikachu (Electric-type) vs. Geodude (Rock/Ground-type). This wouldn't count, since none of his other pokémon Pokémon at that point could bypass Geodude's Rock-type reduction, but he insists on Pikachu using Electric-type attacks (which deal no damage against Ground-types) instead of Normal-type attacks, which will at least do half damage.



* In ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' games, you get to choose a grass, water or fire starter. In the original series, a fire type would be at a disadvantage against early gym leaders, in particular Brock and Misty. A lot of first time players would pick the cool fire starter only to learn about elemental advantages the hard way.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' games, you get to choose a grass, water water, or fire starter. In the original series, a fire type would be at a disadvantage against early gym leaders, in particular Brock and Misty. A lot of first time players would pick the cool fire starter starter, only to learn about elemental advantages the hard way.



* In ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'', each Lighthouse represents an element. They empower people who use that element and those who elements are related, they also greatly weaken those whose element is the opposite. Earth and Fire compliment and Wind and Water compliment. During the fight against Saturos at the Mercury Lighthouse (water), he doesn't realize this and gets weakened enough to be barely beaten by the party.

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* In ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'', each Lighthouse represents an element. They empower people who use that element and those who elements are related, related; they also greatly weaken those whose element is the opposite. Earth and Fire compliment and Wind and Water compliment. During the fight against Saturos at the Mercury Lighthouse (water), he doesn't realize this and gets weakened enough to be barely beaten by the party.



* A non-elemental example: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword]]'' Sain initially insists on using a lance against an axe-weilding opponent, despite axes being strong against lances. This is mostly to demonstrate the [[RockPaperScissors weapon triangle]] and afterwards, you can get him a sword.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', originally this was in effect with monsters having innate resistances and some being completely immune, this in particular hurt fire mages and destruction warlocks since the entry level raids were in the fire-based Molten Core. Eventually Blizzard wised up to the fact that making entire specializations useless was a terrible idea and chose to enforce CompetitiveBalance by making elemental or elemental-aligned monsters take just as much damage as they do from any other element.

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* A non-elemental example: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword]]'' Sword]]'', Sain initially insists on using a lance against an axe-weilding axe-wielding opponent, despite axes being strong against lances. This is mostly to demonstrate the [[RockPaperScissors weapon triangle]] triangle]], and afterwards, you can get him a sword.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', originally this was in effect with monsters having innate resistances and some being completely immune, this in particular hurt fire mages and destruction warlocks since the entry level raids were in the fire-based Molten Core. Eventually Blizzard wised up to the fact that making entire specializations useless [[TierInducedScrappy was a terrible idea idea]] and chose to enforce CompetitiveBalance by making elemental or elemental-aligned monsters take just as much damage as they do from any other element.
6th Jul '16 2:05:10 PM Willbyr
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* As pictured above, In ''MarchenAwakensRomance'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches was a huge missed opportunity for them.

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* As pictured above, In ''MarchenAwakensRomance'', in ''Manga/{{MAR}}'', the characters have a habit of making fairly poor matchups in general. For instance, having the plant user fight the plant user in the final round of the [[TournamentArc War Games]] (the others had their own grudge matches, and it worked out for revenge anyway). However, possibly the most blatant was [[WinterRoyalLady Princess Snow]] fighting the 2nd and 3rd rounds in the ''desert'' and ''volcano'' fields respectively and she loses the 3rd round partially because of the heat interfering with her powers. Later, being GenreSavvy Snow ''wanted'' to participate in the 4th round [[HomeFieldAdvantage Ice Field]] but Alan wouldn't let her, which given the boost she'd get from the Ice Field would more than compensate for any lingering fatigue from the previous matches was a huge missed opportunity for them.
15th Jun '16 6:27:26 AM AnotherDuck
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* Occurs in GirlsNightOut type episodes, where someone with specific powers over one sex (usually female over male) is on the loose, and the team leader specifically sends troops of the sex which can be controlled to capture said person, as opposed to their operatives of the opposite sex.
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14th Jan '16 5:17:20 PM eroock
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15th Dec '15 6:23:00 PM NaraNumas
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* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', originally this was in effect with monsters having innate resistances and some being completely immune, this in particular hurt fire mages and destruction warlocks since the entry level raids were in the fire-based Molten Core. Eventually Blizzard wised up to the fact that making entire specializations useless was a terrible idea and chose to enforce CompetitiveBalance by making elemental or elemental-aligned monsters take just as much damage as they do from any other element.
18th Nov '15 7:31:21 PM Vilui
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* In the 90's ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' animated series, when Storm confronts Magneto for the first time in the series, she decides to use intense lightning bolts on him. Magneto points out that being the master of magnetism, lightning was the least effective of her many weapons to use against him. Partially justified since Magneto's powers are written such that if he isn't a SuperpowerLottery winner, he's definitely a runner up, to the point where no energy attacks and few physical attacks would really have been effective.

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* In the 90's 90s ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' animated series, when Storm confronts Magneto for the first time in the series, she decides to use intense lightning bolts on him. Magneto points out that being the master of magnetism, lightning was the least effective of her many weapons to use against him. Partially justified since Magneto's powers are written such that if he isn't a SuperpowerLottery winner, he's definitely a runner up, to the point where no energy attacks and few physical attacks would really have been effective.
12th Sep '15 8:11:25 PM VengeanceKarl
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* Infamously, the live-action film of ''Film/TheLastAirbender'' has the Fire Nation capture a bunch of Earthbenders and imprison them in a quarry.
2nd Aug '15 11:51:29 PM zoop
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* In one episode of ''Series/SesameStreet,'' Oscare the Grouch attempts to ruin everybody's day by spreading dirt around everywhere he goes. Where does he go first? ''A garden.''

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* In one episode of ''Series/SesameStreet,'' Oscare Oscar the Grouch attempts to ruin everybody's day by spreading dirt around everywhere he goes. Where does he go first? ''A garden.''
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