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21st Jun '17 3:15:36 PM karstovich2
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## The electors have always elected the most-senior male member of the House of Saud deemed qualified for the job (some princes are ill, uninterested, or otherwise under suspicion, and thus aren't candidates in the first place). Since ''1953'', this has meant, basically, the oldest surviving son of UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud. That's right--it's been over sixty years since the man died, and only now (2016) are his grandsons anywhere near the throne (current crown Prince, Muhammad bin Nayef, will be the first third generation king when he ascends). To give you an idea, Abdul Aziz was born in 1876. [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George V]] was born in 1865. There's a very good chance that George V's great-grandson (Charles--who incidentally has been first in line since his mother became Queen in ''1952'', so he could have inherited the throne much earlier if his mother wasn't so long-lived) will get to the throne before Abdul Aziz's eldest eligible grandson.

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## The electors have Until 2015, the prince-electors always elected the most-senior male member of the House of Saud deemed qualified for the job (some princes are ill, uninterested, or otherwise under suspicion, and thus aren't candidates in the first place). Since ''1953'', From ''1953'' until the custom ended in the 2015, this has meant, basically, the oldest surviving son of UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud. That's right--it's been over sixty years since the man died, and only now (2016) are until 2015, none of his grandsons anywhere near were even close to the throne (current crown Prince, throne. However, in 2015, the decision was made to skip the last few sons of Abdul Aziz and hand the Crown Prince position to one of the grandsons, Muhammad bin Nayef, will be Nayef. Then, in 2017, the first third generation king when he ascends). To give you an idea, family surprised everyone again by electing a younger grandson, Muhammad bin Salman, who (significantly) is a son of the reigning king, Salman bin Abdul Aziz was born in 1876. [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George V]] was born in 1865. There's a very good chance that George V's great-grandson (Charles--who incidentally has been first in line since his mother became Queen in ''1952'', so he could have inherited the throne much earlier if his mother wasn't so long-lived) will get to the throne before Abdul Aziz's eldest eligible grandson.Aziz.
18th Jun '17 5:34:05 AM SSJMagus
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* The King of UsefulNotes/VaticanCity, better known as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope The Roman Catholic Pope]]. Aside from being the head of the Catholic Church, he is the last absolute monarch in Europe and one of the last in the world. He is elected by a group of cardinals from among their number,[[note]]Technically they can choose any Catholic man as Pope (though a layman would have to be elevated to deacon, then priest, then bishop, before enthronement). In practice, only cardinals have been elected for over a thousand years.[[/note]] hereditary monarchy being a rather difficult proposition for celibate Catholic clergy.[[note]]Not that it stopped some from trying by arranging for their nephews to succeed them. That's how the Catholic Church became the TropeNamer for {{Nepotism}}.[[/note]] And in 2013, the Pope Emeritus Ratzinger (formerly Pope Benedict XVI) proved that the office isn't necessarily for life. While papal resignation had been on the books of Catholic Canon Law for as long as the records go back, it had been nearly 600 years since the last time a Pope had done so and over 700 years since a Pope had resigned [[TheCoup willingly rather than at the point of a sword]].

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* The King of UsefulNotes/VaticanCity, better known as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope The Roman Catholic Pope]]. Aside from being the head of the Catholic Church, he is the last absolute monarch in Europe and one of the last in the world. He is elected by a group of cardinals from among their number,[[note]]Technically they can choose any Catholic man as Pope (though a layman would have to be elevated to deacon, then priest, then bishop, before enthronement). In practice, only cardinals have been elected for over a thousand years.[[/note]] hereditary monarchy being a rather difficult proposition for celibate Catholic clergy.[[note]]Not that it stopped some from trying by arranging for their nephews to succeed them. That's how the Catholic Church became the TropeNamer for {{Nepotism}}. There's also at least one suspected case of a Pope being succeeded by his illegitimate son, since the requirement of celibacy wasn't always actually obeyed.[[/note]] And in 2013, the Pope Emeritus Ratzinger (formerly Pope Benedict XVI) proved that the office isn't necessarily for life. While papal resignation had been on the books of Catholic Canon Law for as long as the records go back, it had been nearly 600 years since the last time a Pope had done so and over 700 years since a Pope had resigned [[TheCoup willingly rather than at the point of a sword]].
23rd Apr '17 1:36:08 PM Fireblood
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson ''[[{{Unperson}} damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his official portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.
23rd Apr '17 1:35:05 PM Fireblood
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.
22nd Apr '17 2:11:07 PM Jhonny
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.
22nd Apr '17 12:57:58 PM EDP
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life. The one attempt to make it a hereditary title ended with the doge and his co-conspirator executed.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life. The one attempt life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it a hereditary title ended couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his co-conspirator successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.
10th Apr '17 10:33:14 PM lorgskyegon
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** While there hasn't been a Pope elected who wasn't currently a Cardinal in over six hundred years (Urban VI was the last, an archbishop before election), the only qualifications are that the person is a baptized, male practicing Catholic, of which there are over 600 million. That gives the Papacy the largest amount of possible candidates out of any elected office in the world.
30th Mar '17 10:13:12 AM gb00393
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** Robb of House Stark is acclaimed King in the North by his bannermen and the riverlords of the Trident. This also happens with his successor Jon Snow.

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** Robb of House Stark is acclaimed King in the North by his bannermen and the riverlords of the Trident. As it turns out, what the bannermen give, the bannermen can take away just as easily. This also happens with his successor Jon Snow.
22nd Mar '17 12:49:39 PM gb00393
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** Robb is acclaimed King in the North by his bannermen and the riverlords of the Trident.

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** Robb of House Stark is acclaimed King in the North by his bannermen and the riverlords of the Trident.Trident. This also happens with his successor Jon Snow.
21st Mar '17 5:18:33 PM StarSword
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** Ferelden is a {{downplayed}} example. While on the surface the nation appears to follow a traditional feudal system with primogeniture inheritance, unlike in neighboring Orlais where the nobles believe in rule by divine right, Ferelden has a culture of rule by merit and is more democratic. The banns (the lowest form of titled nobility, sort of like barons) are elected from the local gentry by the Freeholds (free men and women) to protect them in exchange for allegiance. The higher-ranked teyrns (akin to dukes) in turn have the loyalty of banns and arls (earls), and the king is regarded as merely the most powerful of the banns and is elected by them at the Landsmeet (an annual council of the nobles that serves the role of a parliament) if the line of succession is unclear, as in the SuccessionCrisis plot in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Origins]]''.

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** Ferelden is a {{downplayed}} example. While on the surface the nation appears to follow a traditional feudal system with primogeniture inheritance, unlike in neighboring Orlais where the nobles believe in rule by divine right, Ferelden has a culture of rule by merit and is more democratic. The banns (the lowest form of titled nobility, sort of like barons) are elected from the local gentry by the Freeholds (free men and women) to protect them in exchange for allegiance. The higher-ranked teyrns (akin to dukes) in turn have the loyalty of banns and arls (earls), and the king is regarded as merely the most powerful of the banns teyrn and is elected by them at the Landsmeet (an annual council of the nobles that serves the role of a parliament) if the line of succession is unclear, as in the SuccessionCrisis plot in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Origins]]''.
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