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25th Jul '16 12:52:54 AM PaulA
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* The Weald in ''The Hallowed Hunt'', the third book in the Literature/{{Chalion}} series by Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold. A FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Holy Roman Empire (see Real Life section below), the new Hallow King is officially elected by the heads of five great houses and three influential church members (who have replaced three houses whose lines have died out or fallen out of power). The last few generations have seen the current ruling house have their eldest sons confirmed as heirs while the old kings are still alive, eventually turning it into a normal hereditary monarchy.

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* The Weald in ''The Hallowed Hunt'', the third book in the Literature/{{Chalion}} series ''Literature/TheHallowedHunt'' by Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold. A FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Holy Roman Empire (see Real Life section below), the new Hallow King is officially elected by the heads of five great houses and three influential church members (who have replaced three houses whose lines have died out or fallen out of power). The last few generations have seen the current ruling house have their eldest sons confirmed as heirs while the old kings are still alive, eventually turning it into a normal hereditary monarchy.
22nd Jul '16 7:09:25 PM Fireblood
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* The Vampire Princes in ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan''. A new Prince must be nominated by one of the Princes, and approved by all of the others. If one does not approve, it is voted on by the Generals (a much larger group of officials between the Princes and ordinary vampires). If two or more Princes refuse, the nomination is cancelled. Book 4 introduces a character who is set to become a Prince, who was reject by one Prince and approved by only 54% of Generals. [[spoiler: After Darren's [[HeroismEqualsJobQualification act of heroism]], ''all of the Princes and Generals'' approve his nomination, despite the fact that he's a child, and only a half-vampire.]]

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* The Vampire Princes in ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan''. A new Prince must be nominated by one of the Princes, and approved by all of the others. If one does not approve, it is voted on by the Generals (a much larger group of officials between the Princes and ordinary vampires). If two or more Princes refuse, the nomination is cancelled. Book 4 introduces a character who is set to become a Prince, who was reject rejected by one Prince and approved by only 54% of the Generals. [[spoiler: After Darren's [[HeroismEqualsJobQualification act of heroism]], ''all of the Princes and Generals'' approve his nomination, despite the fact that he's a child, and only a half-vampire.]]
22nd Jul '16 1:13:10 PM lavendermintrose
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* The Vampire Princes in ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan''. A new Prince must be nominated by one of the Princes, and approved by all of the others. If one does not approve, it is voted on by the Generals (a much larger group of officials between the Princes and ordinary vampires). If two or more Princes refuse, the nomination is cancelled. Book 4 introduces a character who is set to become a Prince, who was reject by one Prince and approved by only 54% of Generals. [[spoiler: After Darren's [[HeroismEqualsJobQualification act of heroism]], ''all of the Princes and Generals'' approve his nomination, despite the fact that he's a child, and only a half-vampire.]]
1st Jul '16 3:15:39 PM Bissek
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* In the ''Literature/{{Belgariad}}'' series, Sendaria choose its first king like this, and ''everyone'' could vote. As a result, nobody takes the monarchy all that seriously--not even the monarch. Also, the Empire of Tolnedra elects a new Emperor if the old one dies without an heir.

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* In the ''Literature/{{Belgariad}}'' series, Sendaria choose its first king like this, and ''everyone'' could vote. Also, the winning candidate had to have a ''majority'' of the votes rather than simply the ''most'' votes. It took six years and twenty-two ballots to winnow the 724 candidates down to a single winner, a rutabaga farmer named Fundor. As a result, nobody takes the monarchy all that seriously--not even the monarch. Also, the Empire of Tolnedra elects a new Emperor if the old one dies without an heir.
30th Jun '16 9:34:12 PM PaulA
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* ''Literature/TheElenium'' has this in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture pretty much the same way as the Papacy]] for the Archprelacy of the Elene Church. The sequel series has a report within the foreign Tamuli Empire (which uses hereditary inheritance) which calls the Elene Church's tradition of electing their leader weird, but acknowledges that there isn't any non-offensive way to make it hereditary considering Elene priests are supposed to be celibate.

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* ''Literature/TheElenium'' has this in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture pretty much the same way as the Papacy]] for the Archprelacy of the Elene Church. The sequel series series, ''Literature/TheTamuli'', has a report within the foreign Tamuli Empire (which uses hereditary inheritance) which that calls the Elene Church's tradition of electing their leader weird, but acknowledges that there isn't any non-offensive way to make it hereditary considering Elene priests are supposed to be celibate.
14th Jun '16 6:08:45 PM Fireblood
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** The Sealord of Braavos is also elected, though it's unclear if it's this or a republic.
11th Jun '16 10:33:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* An interesting case in Creator/MikhailAkhmanov's ''[[ArrivalsFromTheDark Envoy from the Heavens]]'' with TheEmpire on planet Osier, which has been stuck in MedievalStasis for at least a thousand years, which is the reason why the protagonist is sent there in the first place -- to figure out why all their efforts to secretly advance the culture have failed. On the death of the emperor, his son does not necessarily ascend to the throne. Any (male) member of the royal family may become the next ruler, provided they are popular and influential enough within the family. In essence, the emperor is chosen by vote, but only from members of the royal house (the system used by some real monarchies, such as Saudi Arabia for instance).

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* An interesting case in Creator/MikhailAkhmanov's ''[[ArrivalsFromTheDark ''[[Literature/ArrivalsFromTheDark Envoy from the Heavens]]'' with TheEmpire on planet Osier, which has been stuck in MedievalStasis for at least a thousand years, which is the reason why the protagonist is sent there in the first place -- to figure out why all their efforts to secretly advance the culture have failed. On the death of the emperor, his son does not necessarily ascend to the throne. Any (male) member of the royal family may become the next ruler, provided they are popular and influential enough within the family. In essence, the emperor is chosen by vote, but only from members of the royal house (the system used by some real monarchies, such as Saudi Arabia for instance).
28th May '16 5:49:05 PM karstovich2
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** Note that in practice, the Imperial title became hereditary within the House of Habsburg towards the end of the 15th century, and that the Electors generally did not keep the "obvious" heir from the throne until the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession. But before that there was a period when the Electors voted for the candidates of the Houses of Wittelsbach, Luxemburg and Habsburg in alternation.

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** Note that in practice, the Imperial title became hereditary within the House of Habsburg towards the end of the 15th century, and that the Electors generally did not keep the "obvious" heir from the throne until the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession. But UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession (although even before that then the "obvious" heir would usually make a point of doing favors for the electors to keep them from holding up the vote when the time came). Before the 15th century, there was a period when the Electors voted for the candidates of the Houses of Wittelsbach, Luxemburg and Habsburg in alternation.
28th May '16 5:46:47 PM karstovich2
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** Usually, anyway-the claim to the electorate of the Wittelsbach dynasty was split in between the Count Palatine and the Duke of Bavaria, and sometimes Bavaria stepped in for the Palatinate (when the Bavarian Wittlesbachs' scheming against their cousins was particularly successful) or Bohemia (when the rival Wittelsbach branches took a break from messing with each other and instead conspired with each other to exclude Bohemia on the grounds that he wasn't German). After the Reformation, the Palatinate Wittelsbachs were Protestants and the Bavarian ones Catholics, so early in the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar the electoral title was given to the Bavarians, but in the Peace of Westphalia it was decided that both would get to be electors, bringing the total to eight.

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** Usually, anyway-the claim to the electorate of the Wittelsbach dynasty was split in between the Count Palatine and the Duke of Bavaria, and sometimes Bavaria stepped in for the Palatinate (when the Bavarian Wittlesbachs' scheming against their cousins was particularly successful) or Bohemia (when the rival Wittelsbach branches took a break from messing with each other and instead conspired with each other to exclude Bohemia on the grounds that he wasn't German). After the Reformation, the Palatinate Wittelsbachs were Protestants and the Bavarian ones Catholics, so early in the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar the electoral title was given to the Bavarians, but in the Peace of Westphalia it was decided that both would get to be electors, electors (to keep the peace between Catholics and Protestants) bringing the total to eight.
28th May '16 5:46:06 PM karstovich2
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** Usually, anyway-the claim to the electorate of the Wittelsbach dynasty was split in between the Count Palatine and the Duke of Bavaria, and sometimes Bavaria stepped in for the Palatinate or Bohemia (when the rival Wittelsbachs conspired with each other to exclude him on the grounds that he wasn't German). After the Reformation, the Palatinate Wittelsbachs were Protestants and the Bavarian ones Catholics, so early in the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar the electoral title was given to the Bavarians, but in the Peace of Westphalia it was decided that both would get to be electors, bringing the total to eight.

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** Usually, anyway-the claim to the electorate of the Wittelsbach dynasty was split in between the Count Palatine and the Duke of Bavaria, and sometimes Bavaria stepped in for the Palatinate (when the Bavarian Wittlesbachs' scheming against their cousins was particularly successful) or Bohemia (when the rival Wittelsbachs Wittelsbach branches took a break from messing with each other and instead conspired with each other to exclude him Bohemia on the grounds that he wasn't German). After the Reformation, the Palatinate Wittelsbachs were Protestants and the Bavarian ones Catholics, so early in the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar the electoral title was given to the Bavarians, but in the Peace of Westphalia it was decided that both would get to be electors, bringing the total to eight.
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