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17th Sep '17 8:20:58 AM Streitross
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Of course, human nature being what it is, disappointed candidates upset with the results or the agenda of the monarch proceed to lead a rebellion against the winner, not that primogeniture necessarily prevents [[SuccessionCrisis civil wars]] either.

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Of course, [[HumansAreBastards human nature nature]] being what it is, disappointed candidates upset with the results or the agenda of the monarch proceed to lead a rebellion against the winner, not that primogeniture necessarily prevents [[SuccessionCrisis civil wars]] either.
1st Sep '17 4:03:02 PM nombretomado
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*** At the end of the 17th century a ninth electorate was added for the Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (who became known as the Elector of Hanover) as a Catholic junior branch of the Palatinate Wittelsbachs inherited the territory, and it was felt necessary to restore the religious balance. Later, in the 1770s, the Bavarian Wittelsbachs died out, which in the end led to the Catholic Counts Palatine ruling Bavaria, as well; however, it was agreed that he would only have one vote (not [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution that it]] [[UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars ended up]] [[AllTheLittleGermanies mattering]]). The Electors of Hanover, incidentally, became UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover in Great Britain, meaning that the British monarch had a nominal hand in choosing the Emperor for about 100 years.

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*** At the end of the 17th century a ninth electorate was added for the Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (who became known as the Elector of Hanover) as a Catholic junior branch of the Palatinate Wittelsbachs inherited the territory, and it was felt necessary to restore the religious balance. Later, in the 1770s, the Bavarian Wittelsbachs died out, which in the end led to the Catholic Counts Palatine ruling Bavaria, as well; however, it was agreed that he would only have one vote (not [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution that it]] [[UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars ended up]] [[AllTheLittleGermanies [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies mattering]]). The Electors of Hanover, incidentally, became UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover in Great Britain, meaning that the British monarch had a nominal hand in choosing the Emperor for about 100 years.
18th Aug '17 4:32:47 PM Jhonny
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** Sweden did it again in 1809, when the unpopular king Gustav IV Adolf and his descendants were forcibly removed and the parliament elected his uncle as Charles XIII. [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then they realized the new king was 61 and childless]], and elected a Danish prince, Charles August, as crown prince in 1810. Then Charles August died of a stroke later that year, and they had to elect a new crown prince, [[FourStarBadass Marshall of the Empire Jean Bernadotte]], thus starting the current dynasty of Swedish kings.

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** Sweden did it again in 1809, when the unpopular king Gustav IV Adolf and his descendants were forcibly removed and the parliament elected his uncle as Charles XIII. [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then they realized the new king was 61 and childless]], and elected a Danish prince, Charles August, as crown prince in 1810. Then Charles August died of a stroke later that year, and they had to elect a new crown prince, [[FourStarBadass Marshall of the (French) Empire Jean Bernadotte]], thus starting the current dynasty of Swedish kings.
16th Aug '17 6:38:51 PM Fireblood
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* The dwarf clan chiefs in the Literature/InheritanceCycle vote for their new king or queen upon the creation of a vacancy in the position. In ''Brisingr'', after the death of LaResistance-friendly King Hrothgar, a few isolationist clans [[spoiler:unsuccessfully]] oppose the royal candidacy of Orik, his nephew and heir.

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* The dwarf clan chiefs in the Literature/InheritanceCycle ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'' vote for their new king or queen upon the creation of a vacancy in the position. In ''Brisingr'', after the death of LaResistance-friendly King Hrothgar, a few isolationist clans [[spoiler:unsuccessfully]] oppose the royal candidacy of Orik, his nephew and heir. The elves do the same in ''Inheritance'' too, with a number of families, noble houses and elders required to consent on the choice. [[spoiler: Arya]] is the one they appoint in the end.



** Kings of Arad Doman are chosen by the Council of Merchants from among the nobles, requiring at least eight members for this. The King has absolute power, except for the fact they can be deposed by a three-quarters vote from the Council.

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** Kings of Arad Doman are chosen by the Council of Merchants from among the nobles, requiring at least eight members for this. The King has absolute power, except for the fact that they can be deposed by a three-quarters vote from the Council.
19th Jul '17 1:45:00 PM somerandomdude
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->''"It is the Assembly who makes a king, and the king who nominates a successor. None of it is carried in the blood."''
--> -- '''Lord Pyral Harrowmont,''' ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''
21st Jun '17 3:15:36 PM karstovich2
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## The electors have always elected the most-senior male member of the House of Saud deemed qualified for the job (some princes are ill, uninterested, or otherwise under suspicion, and thus aren't candidates in the first place). Since ''1953'', this has meant, basically, the oldest surviving son of UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud. That's right--it's been over sixty years since the man died, and only now (2016) are his grandsons anywhere near the throne (current crown Prince, Muhammad bin Nayef, will be the first third generation king when he ascends). To give you an idea, Abdul Aziz was born in 1876. [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George V]] was born in 1865. There's a very good chance that George V's great-grandson (Charles--who incidentally has been first in line since his mother became Queen in ''1952'', so he could have inherited the throne much earlier if his mother wasn't so long-lived) will get to the throne before Abdul Aziz's eldest eligible grandson.

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## The electors have Until 2015, the prince-electors always elected the most-senior male member of the House of Saud deemed qualified for the job (some princes are ill, uninterested, or otherwise under suspicion, and thus aren't candidates in the first place). Since ''1953'', From ''1953'' until the custom ended in the 2015, this has meant, basically, the oldest surviving son of UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud. That's right--it's been over sixty years since the man died, and only now (2016) are until 2015, none of his grandsons anywhere near were even close to the throne (current crown Prince, throne. However, in 2015, the decision was made to skip the last few sons of Abdul Aziz and hand the Crown Prince position to one of the grandsons, Muhammad bin Nayef, will be Nayef. Then, in 2017, the first third generation king when he ascends). To give you an idea, family surprised everyone again by electing a younger grandson, Muhammad bin Salman, who (significantly) is a son of the reigning king, Salman bin Abdul Aziz was born in 1876. [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George V]] was born in 1865. There's a very good chance that George V's great-grandson (Charles--who incidentally has been first in line since his mother became Queen in ''1952'', so he could have inherited the throne much earlier if his mother wasn't so long-lived) will get to the throne before Abdul Aziz's eldest eligible grandson.Aziz.
18th Jun '17 5:34:05 AM SSJMagus
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* The King of UsefulNotes/VaticanCity, better known as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope The Roman Catholic Pope]]. Aside from being the head of the Catholic Church, he is the last absolute monarch in Europe and one of the last in the world. He is elected by a group of cardinals from among their number,[[note]]Technically they can choose any Catholic man as Pope (though a layman would have to be elevated to deacon, then priest, then bishop, before enthronement). In practice, only cardinals have been elected for over a thousand years.[[/note]] hereditary monarchy being a rather difficult proposition for celibate Catholic clergy.[[note]]Not that it stopped some from trying by arranging for their nephews to succeed them. That's how the Catholic Church became the TropeNamer for {{Nepotism}}.[[/note]] And in 2013, the Pope Emeritus Ratzinger (formerly Pope Benedict XVI) proved that the office isn't necessarily for life. While papal resignation had been on the books of Catholic Canon Law for as long as the records go back, it had been nearly 600 years since the last time a Pope had done so and over 700 years since a Pope had resigned [[TheCoup willingly rather than at the point of a sword]].

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* The King of UsefulNotes/VaticanCity, better known as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope The Roman Catholic Pope]]. Aside from being the head of the Catholic Church, he is the last absolute monarch in Europe and one of the last in the world. He is elected by a group of cardinals from among their number,[[note]]Technically they can choose any Catholic man as Pope (though a layman would have to be elevated to deacon, then priest, then bishop, before enthronement). In practice, only cardinals have been elected for over a thousand years.[[/note]] hereditary monarchy being a rather difficult proposition for celibate Catholic clergy.[[note]]Not that it stopped some from trying by arranging for their nephews to succeed them. That's how the Catholic Church became the TropeNamer for {{Nepotism}}. There's also at least one suspected case of a Pope being succeeded by his illegitimate son, since the requirement of celibacy wasn't always actually obeyed.[[/note]] And in 2013, the Pope Emeritus Ratzinger (formerly Pope Benedict XVI) proved that the office isn't necessarily for life. While papal resignation had been on the books of Catholic Canon Law for as long as the records go back, it had been nearly 600 years since the last time a Pope had done so and over 700 years since a Pope had resigned [[TheCoup willingly rather than at the point of a sword]].
23rd Apr '17 1:36:08 PM Fireblood
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson ''[[{{Unperson}} damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his official portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.
23rd Apr '17 1:35:05 PM Fireblood
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed. Faliero was then subject to a ''[[{{Unperson damnatio memoriae]]'' treatment, with his portrait displayed in the Doge's Palace being removed. In its place was painted a black shroud and an inscription listing this why this was done.
22nd Apr '17 2:11:07 PM Jhonny
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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.

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* The Most Serene Republic of Venice was one for all intents and purposes, given that the head of state ([=dux/doge/duke=]) was elected for life by the Great Council. [[ProudMerchantRace Venetians being Venetians]], the procedure was made [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice#Selection_of_the_Doge an absurdly complex set of elections and lotteries to choose the actual electors]] to make sure it couldn't be fixed, with the doge being then presented to the people with the words "This is your doge, ''if it please you''", as the people of Venice had the power to reject him and restart the whole mess (this ended in 1423 with the election of Francesco Foscari, as he and his successors were presented to the people with the words "This is your doge"). [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Faliero There was an attempt to give up with the election and turn it into a hereditary monarchy]], but the plot was discovered and the offending doge and his co-conspirators were executed.
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