History Main / DumbIsGood

21st Feb '17 2:35:20 PM WaterBlap
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* Some bullies try to [[AllTheOtherReindeer make]] [[IntelligenceEqualsIsolation it]] [[LonersAreFreaks so]].
9th Feb '17 6:36:54 AM KrspaceT
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** Likewise it was major factor in the Republican Primary of 2008, prior to Mitt Romney's eventual victory many of the candidates tried to play up "folksy" images of themselves.

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** Likewise it was major factor in the Republican Primary of 2008, 2012, prior to Mitt Romney's eventual victory many of the candidates tried to play up "folksy" images of themselves.
7th Feb '17 8:18:49 PM erforce
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* Rocky Balboa from ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' so embodies this trope that many fans forget he was a leg-breaker for a loan shark in the first movie. Of course, he was never shown breaking legs for the loan shark, and he refused to break a man's thumbs. Diminished later on the series when he became a mentor figure, to the point where one reviewer commented that he was the only boxer to become smarter the more he got punched in the head.

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* Rocky Balboa from ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' so embodies this trope that many fans forget he was a leg-breaker for a loan shark in the [[Film/{{Rocky}} first movie.movie]]. Of course, he was never shown breaking legs for the loan shark, and he refused to break a man's thumbs. Diminished later on the series when he became a mentor figure, to the point where one reviewer commented that he was the only boxer to become smarter the more he got punched in the head.



%%* Charlie from ''LandOfTheDead''.

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%%* Charlie from ''LandOfTheDead''.''Film/LandOfTheDead''.
27th Jan '17 11:26:47 AM Az_Tech341
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* Pretty much the philosophy of the [[ChummyCommies Free Drones]] faction in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. The society is built by a socialist proletariat with a distrust for the educated upper echelons who once oppressed them. They are phenomenally industrious and can pump out infrastructure and units like no tomorrow, but tend to be very backwards technologically - partly out of a distrust of fancy intellectuals ([[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect who are pretty much expected to pull their weight in practical labour just like everyone else)]], and partly out of desire not to "waste" funds on "blue sky" research when it can go to helping the common man instead. However their end-goal of [[NoPoverty eliminating poverty]] and creating a fair and free society for all makes them far more sympathetic than a lot of the other factions.one o

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* Pretty much the philosophy of the [[ChummyCommies Free Drones]] faction in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. The society is built by a socialist proletariat with a distrust for the educated upper echelons who once oppressed them. They are phenomenally industrious and can pump out infrastructure and units like no tomorrow, but tend to be very backwards technologically - partly out of a distrust of fancy intellectuals ([[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect who are pretty much expected to pull their weight in practical labour just like everyone else)]], and partly out of desire not to "waste" funds on "blue sky" research when it can go to helping the common man instead. However their end-goal of [[NoPoverty eliminating poverty]] and creating a fair and free society for all makes them far more sympathetic than a lot of the other factions.one o
26th Jan '17 11:31:38 PM LadyNorbert
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* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'''s [[IdiotHero Firo Prochainezo]] [[InvokedTrope deliberately invokes]] this in the LightNovels when he assures Ennis that she can trust him because "[he's] stupid, and that's all there is to it." Additionally, Isaac and Miria are probably the nicest characters in the series. They are also inarguably the ''[[TheDitz dumbest]]''.

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* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'''s [[IdiotHero Firo Prochainezo]] [[InvokedTrope deliberately invokes]] this in the LightNovels when he assures Ennis that she can trust him because "[he's] stupid, and that's all there is to it." Additionally, Isaac and Miria are probably the nicest characters in the series. They are also inarguably indisputably the ''[[TheDitz dumbest]]''.



* The ''"Smart people are mean, dumb people are nice"'' dichotomy is best illustrated in TheLawnmowerMan. The protagonist starts off as a sweet, nice, likable mentally handicapped young man. As the story progresses, the more intelligent he gets, the meaner and more malevolent he becomes.

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* The ''"Smart people are mean, dumb people are nice"'' dichotomy is best illustrated in TheLawnmowerMan.''Film/TheLawnmowerMan''. The protagonist starts off as a sweet, nice, likable mentally handicapped young man. As the story progresses, the more intelligent he gets, the meaner and more malevolent he becomes.



* Deconstructed in Billy-Bob Thorton's written, directed, and starred in film ''Film/SlingBlade'', where he plays the mentally disabled man Karl Childers. Karl is kind, soft spoken, and blind to intolerance, and is also a talented mechanic because he always finds the simplest solution to problems. However, he also has no quams about [[AxeCrazy brutally murdering]] people he deems to be bad.
* Inverted in ''Film/PainAndGain'', where the [[VillainProtagonist protagonists]] are incredibly dumb greedy murderers who succeed mostly on sheer luck while the HeroAntagonist Ed [=DuBois=] is apparently the only intelligent person in the entire movie.

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* Deconstructed in Billy-Bob Thorton's written, directed, and starred in film ''Film/SlingBlade'', where he plays the mentally disabled man Karl Childers. Karl is kind, soft spoken, and blind to intolerance, and is also a talented mechanic because he always finds the simplest solution to problems. However, he also has no quams qualms about [[AxeCrazy brutally murdering]] people he deems to be bad.
* Inverted in ''Film/PainAndGain'', where the [[VillainProtagonist protagonists]] are incredibly dumb dumb, greedy murderers who succeed mostly on sheer luck while the HeroAntagonist Ed [=DuBois=] is apparently the only intelligent person in the entire movie.



* The episode of ''Series/TheKingOfQueens'' "Educatin' Doug". Carrie enrolls herself and Doug in an English night class (which Doug isn't too thrilled about) when she thinks they're becoming TV-addicted idiots. Carrie does quite well in the class, but Doug struggles, resorting to beat the information he needs out of Spence, who is also in the class. At first Carrie is angry when she finds this out, but eventually learns that she shouldn't have forced Doug into the endeavor. In addition to Dumb Is Good, the [[AnAesop Aesop]] here would also seem to be "Leave well enough alone".

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* The episode of ''Series/TheKingOfQueens'' "Educatin' Doug". Carrie enrolls herself and Doug in an English night class (which Doug isn't too thrilled about) when she thinks they're becoming TV-addicted idiots. Carrie does quite well in the class, but Doug struggles, resorting to beat beating the information he needs out of Spence, who is also in the class. At first Carrie is angry when she finds this out, but eventually learns that she shouldn't have forced Doug into the endeavor. In addition to Dumb Is Good, the [[AnAesop Aesop]] here would also seem to be "Leave well enough alone".



* In the soap opera ''Series/AllMyChildren,'' cunning (often) villain Adam Chandler had a twin brother Stuart who was both very sweet and quite dumb.

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* In the soap opera ''Series/AllMyChildren,'' cunning (often) villain Adam Chandler had a twin brother Stuart brother, Stuart, who was both very sweet and quite dumb.



* Invoked on ''Series/FamilyMatters'' when Eddie and Laura set Laura's friend, Maxine, up with Waldo Geraldo Faldo. She was initially put off by his stupidity, but in the end, she found him at the same time to be a charming and sweet guy. The continued to date until Waldo was eventually PutOnABus.
* Played With in ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia''. Within the gang, it's played straight. [[IvyLeagueForEveryone Dennis is the most well-educated member of the group]]. He's the most manipulative (tied with Frank) and is implied to be TheSociopath, a rapist, [[IncestSubtext attracted to his sister]], and a SerialKiller. Illiterate [[GeniusDitz Charlie]] is the least selfish person in the gang and [[BatmanGambit his most villainous moments make him seem more intelligent]]. However this is only true within the gang as the gang themselves are both stupid and bad people. [[InvertedTrope And others are shown to be both smarter and morally superior]].

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* Invoked on ''Series/FamilyMatters'' when Eddie and Laura set Laura's friend, Maxine, up with Waldo Geraldo Faldo. She was initially put off by his stupidity, but in the end, she found him at the same time to be a charming and sweet guy. The They continued to date until Waldo was eventually PutOnABus.
* Played With with in ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia''. Within the gang, it's played straight. [[IvyLeagueForEveryone Dennis is the most well-educated member of the group]]. He's the most manipulative (tied with Frank) and is implied to be TheSociopath, a rapist, [[IncestSubtext attracted to his sister]], and a SerialKiller. Illiterate [[GeniusDitz Charlie]] is the least selfish person in the gang and [[BatmanGambit his most villainous moments make him seem more intelligent]]. However this ,this is only true within the gang as ,as the gang themselves are both stupid and bad people. [[InvertedTrope And others Others are shown to be both smarter and morally superior]].



* Music/{{Pink}}'s "Stupid Girls" criticises the trope and urges young women to think and have ambition in life.
* Music/{{Gorillaz}} has 2D, lead singer, thick as a brick, and kindest guy in the band. Justified since he is a victim of Brain Damage, and is constantly high on painkillers.

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* Music/{{Pink}}'s "Stupid Girls" criticises criticizes the trope and urges young women to think and have ambition in life.
* Music/{{Gorillaz}} has 2D, 2D - lead singer, thick as a brick, and kindest guy in the band. Justified since he is a victim of Brain Damage, brain damage, and is constantly high on painkillers.



* Averted many times in ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}. The negative consequences of stupidity is probably the most recurring theme of all, and the majority of the strips deal with the protagonist's struggle against his obtuse colleagues and bosses as well as the kafkaesque workplace they inhabit. Paradoxically, you could also say that the trope is played straight at the same time, as there are [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2000-01-16/ several occasions]] where intelligence and skill is portrayed as a serious (and sometimes fatal) drawback.

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* Averted many times in ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}. The negative consequences of stupidity is probably the most recurring theme of all, and the majority of the strips deal with the protagonist's struggle against his obtuse colleagues and bosses as well as the kafkaesque Kafkaesque workplace they inhabit. Paradoxically, you could also say that the trope is played straight at the same time, as there are [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2000-01-16/ several occasions]] where intelligence and skill is portrayed as a serious (and sometimes fatal) drawback.



** Jesus himself defies this trope while instruction the Twelve Disciples in [[Literature/TheFourGospels Matthew 10:16]] -- "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be [[GoodIsNotDumb as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves]]."

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** Jesus himself defies this trope while instruction instructing the Twelve Disciples in [[Literature/TheFourGospels Matthew 10:16]] -- "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be [[GoodIsNotDumb as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves]]."



* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', LizardFolk have never really been portrayed as anything more than Stone Age-level tribal savages living in swamps and marshes. ''Magazine/{{Dragon}}'' gave an explanation as to why in "Ecology of the Lizardfolk" (Dragon #335) that basically amounts to this; D&D's lizardfolk are deeply religious beings, and worship Semuanya, a {{hermaphrodite}} deity whose mentality is that of an animal, existing only feed and breed. In their creation mythos, Semuanya once had a mate named Kecuala, who unlike Semuanya was an intellectual who constantly thought about the world around itself and worried over what to do in order to survive. This eventually caused it to split into the first male and female lizardfolk, much to Semuanya's grief. Thusly, lizardfolk literally demonize intelligence as evil, an unnatural and wasteful attribute, and deliberately try to be as feral as possible in hopes of one day restoring Kecuala to life.

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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', LizardFolk have never really been portrayed as anything more than Stone Age-level tribal savages living in swamps and marshes. ''Magazine/{{Dragon}}'' gave an explanation as to why in "Ecology of the Lizardfolk" (Dragon #335) that basically amounts to this; D&D's lizardfolk are deeply religious beings, and worship Semuanya, a {{hermaphrodite}} deity whose mentality is that of an animal, existing only to feed and breed. In their creation mythos, Semuanya once had a mate named Kecuala, who Kecuala who, unlike Semuanya Semuanya, was an intellectual who constantly thought about the world around itself and worried over what to do in order to survive. This eventually caused it to split into the first male and female lizardfolk, much to Semuanya's grief. Thusly, Thus, lizardfolk literally demonize intelligence as evil, an unnatural and wasteful attribute, and deliberately try to be as feral as possible in hopes of one day restoring Kecuala to life.



* ''Franchise/MassEffect'': Zig-zagged. Due to being an AudienceSurrogate, Commander Shepard technically falls under this due to having very little knowledge of the massively known universe. Although s/he is moreso GenreBlind in the beginning of the game rather than dumb, but the council and other NPCs in the game [[UnderestimatingBadassery classify Shepard as being dumb anyway.]] Justified, as Shepard was simply a random soldier serving under a highly intelligent captain before being promoted to a [[SpacePolice Spectre]] without much warning. Fortunately, the commander proves to be a very fast learner after asking many questions about others and wisely takes in different aliens to help him/her despite his superiors calling him/her foolish for even trusting these allies. It eventually [[CharacterDevelopment all pays off for Shepard in the end.]]

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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'': Zig-zagged.Zigzagged. Due to being an AudienceSurrogate, Commander Shepard technically falls under this due to having very little knowledge of the massively known universe. Although s/he S/he is moreso really more GenreBlind in the beginning of the game rather than dumb, but the council and other NPCs [=NPCs=] in the game [[UnderestimatingBadassery classify Shepard as being dumb anyway.]] Justified, as Shepard was simply a random soldier serving under a highly intelligent captain before being promoted to a [[SpacePolice Spectre]] without much warning. Fortunately, the commander proves to be a very fast learner after asking many questions about others and wisely takes in different aliens to help him/her him/her, despite his superiors calling him/her foolish for even trusting these allies. It eventually [[CharacterDevelopment all pays off for Shepard in the end.]]



* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', just about everyone in the Companions guild mocks Farkas for being the dumbest one in the bunch - including Farkas himself. However, he is bar none the nicest guy in the guild, being one of only two members of the inner Circle (the other being Kodlak, the Harbinger) to be even remotely welcoming to the Dragonborn when s/he joins them. Although the others gradually warm up to the Dragonborn, Farkas is friendly from the first meeting, to the point where he's a legitimate contender for the nicest follower in the entire game. However, Farkas is actually a subversion of the trope; while he is as ''good'' as he initially seems, he's not as ''dumb'' as everyone would have you think.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', just about everyone in the Companions guild mocks Farkas for being the dumbest one in the bunch - including Farkas himself. However, he is bar none the nicest guy in the guild, being one of only two members of the inner Circle (the other being Kodlak, the Harbinger) to be even remotely welcoming to the Dragonborn when s/he joins them. Although the others gradually warm up to the Dragonborn, Farkas is friendly from the first meeting, to the point where he's a legitimate contender for the nicest follower in the entire game. However, It should be noted, though, that Farkas is actually a subversion of the trope; while he is as ''good'' as he initially seems, he's not as ''dumb'' as everyone would have you think.
26th Jan '17 11:19:47 PM LadyNorbert
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* Pretty much the philosophy of the [[ChummyCommies Free Drones]] faction in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. The society is built by a socialist proletariat with a distrust for the educated upper echelons who once oppressed them. They are phenomenally industrious and can pump out infrastructure and units like no tomorrow, but tend to be very backwards technologically - partly out of a distrust of fancy intellectuals ([[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect who are pretty much expected to pull their weight in practical labour just like everyone else)]], and partly out of desire not to "waste" funds on "blue sky" research when it can go to helping the common man instead. However their end-goal of [[NoPoverty eliminating poverty]] and creating a fair and free society for all makes them far more sympathetic than a lot of the other factions.

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* Pretty much the philosophy of the [[ChummyCommies Free Drones]] faction in ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. The society is built by a socialist proletariat with a distrust for the educated upper echelons who once oppressed them. They are phenomenally industrious and can pump out infrastructure and units like no tomorrow, but tend to be very backwards technologically - partly out of a distrust of fancy intellectuals ([[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect who are pretty much expected to pull their weight in practical labour just like everyone else)]], and partly out of desire not to "waste" funds on "blue sky" research when it can go to helping the common man instead. However their end-goal of [[NoPoverty eliminating poverty]] and creating a fair and free society for all makes them far more sympathetic than a lot of the other factions.one o
* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', just about everyone in the Companions guild mocks Farkas for being the dumbest one in the bunch - including Farkas himself. However, he is bar none the nicest guy in the guild, being one of only two members of the inner Circle (the other being Kodlak, the Harbinger) to be even remotely welcoming to the Dragonborn when s/he joins them. Although the others gradually warm up to the Dragonborn, Farkas is friendly from the first meeting, to the point where he's a legitimate contender for the nicest follower in the entire game. However, Farkas is actually a subversion of the trope; while he is as ''good'' as he initially seems, he's not as ''dumb'' as everyone would have you think.



* This is played with, though not directly touched upon in ''WebComic/EightBitTheater''. Of the four protagonists, three are self-serving rogues who are often commiting or willing to commit actions far worse than most of their antagonists. The only character who could conceivably be called a hero is the one oblivious enought not to realize that his companions are incapable of altruism and that their schemes are often evil. However, it should be noted that he is sometimes shown to be a GeniusDitz and the other members aren't really that smart either.

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* This is played with, though not directly touched upon in ''WebComic/EightBitTheater''. Of the four protagonists, three are self-serving rogues who are often commiting committing or willing to commit actions far worse than most of their antagonists. The only character who could conceivably be called a hero is the one oblivious enought enough not to realize that his companions are incapable of altruism and that their schemes are often evil. However, it should be noted that he is sometimes shown to be a GeniusDitz and the other members aren't really that smart either.



* In ''Webcomic/TheLastDaysOfFoxhound'', the biggest jerks in the comic tend also to be the smartest (excepting perhaps Raven) -- Otacon is the best example in that he is the series' perhaps only genuinely good person, and also a complete [[TheDitz Ditz]].

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* In ''Webcomic/TheLastDaysOfFoxhound'', the biggest jerks in the comic tend also to be the smartest (excepting perhaps Raven) -- Otacon is the best example in that he is the series' perhaps the only genuinely good person, person in the series, and also a complete [[TheDitz Ditz]].



* ''WesternAnimation/BoJackHorseman'': Highly intelligent characters like [=BoJack=], Carolyn, and Diane tend to be a lot less happy than dumber characters like Todd and Mr Peanutbutter. In the first episode, [=BoJack=] even says of Mr Peanutbutter, "he's so stupid that he doesn't even realise how miserable he should be. I envy that." Made somewhat more realistic when character development reveals that Todd isn't so much stupid as he is naive and clueless, and that Mr Peanutbutter has a cynical side combined with a [[FurryReminder cultural]] dislike of expressing negative feelings. And [=BoJack=]'s intelligence doesn't actually translate into acting ability or common sense - it just makes him able to see exactly what is happening as he repeatedly ruins his own life.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BoJackHorseman'': Highly intelligent characters like [=BoJack=], Carolyn, and Diane tend to be a lot less happy than dumber characters like Todd and Mr Mr. Peanutbutter. In the first episode, [=BoJack=] even says of Mr Peanutbutter, "he's so stupid that he doesn't even realise how miserable he should be. I envy that." Made somewhat more realistic when character development reveals that Todd isn't so much stupid as he is naive and clueless, and that Mr Peanutbutter has a cynical side combined with a [[FurryReminder cultural]] dislike of expressing negative feelings. And [=BoJack=]'s intelligence doesn't actually translate into acting ability or common sense - it just makes him able to see exactly what is happening as he repeatedly ruins his own life.



* There is the old saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and IgnoranceIsBliss." That's gotten more important with the spread of easily accessible information. Depression is on the rise (or is being noticed more readily), and some [[MisBlamed blame the abundance of information]]. Some people have suggested the way to improve this is to "play dumb" and [[AccentuateTheNegative avoid the news]] before the worries of the world crush you.

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* There is the old saying saying, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and IgnoranceIsBliss." That's gotten more important with the spread of easily accessible information. Depression is on the rise (or is being noticed more readily), and some [[MisBlamed blame the abundance of information]]. Some people have suggested the way to improve this is to "play dumb" and [[AccentuateTheNegative avoid the news]] before the worries of the world crush you.



* Interestingly, the earliest examples of the word "nice" being used to describe someone in the English language indicate that the original meaning of the word was "naive" or "innocent", or in other words lacking knowledge. For example, saying "What a nice child." would be describing the child as ignorant and carefree. So a word used to describe someone as dumb morphed into one used to describe someone as good.

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* Interestingly, the earliest examples of the word "nice" being used to describe someone in the English language indicate that the original meaning of the word was "naive" or "innocent", or in other words lacking knowledge. For example, saying "What a nice child." child" would be describing the child as ignorant and carefree. So a word used to describe someone as dumb morphed into one used to describe someone as good.
19th Jan '17 6:34:56 AM WillBGood
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*** Vimes is often regarded by others as not very bright, but he makes up for it through a combination of obstinacy.



** Granny Smith, who is ''extremely'' intelligent, has said that if you know what's good and what's evil, you can't choose to be evil. She's extremely mean-spirited when she has a chance to be, but is solidly on the side of good. She would have enjoyed evil more, but it simply isn't an option.

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** Granny Smith, Weatherwax, who is ''extremely'' intelligent, has said that if you know what's good and what's evil, you can't choose to be evil. She's extremely mean-spirited when she has a chance to be, but is solidly on the side of good. She would have enjoyed evil more, but it simply isn't an option.
14th Jan '17 5:16:10 AM YasminPerry
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* ''ComicBook/ScottPilgrim'' has...well, Scott Pilgrim, who is quite dense but nonetheless the hero of the story. His final opponent, [[spoiler: Gideon Graves]], is ''far'' smarter than he is.
13th Jan '17 4:34:26 AM onionmaster
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* In Film/NapoleonDynamite, Napoleon is dumber than most of the other characters in the movie and seems to fail at everything. Even his friend Pedro notes Napoleon's only talent as the ability to draw. However, when Napoleon performs his dance towards the end of the movie, his fellow students seem to be genuinely appreciative of it, to the point where they do end up voting for Pedro as class president.


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* Music/{{TVOnTheRadio}}'s "Happy Idiot" where the narrator decides to get over a breakup he will simply stop caring about the worries of the world. The track even uses the phrase 'ignorance is bliss'.
8th Jan '17 2:30:40 PM nombretomado
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** Likewise in UltimateMarvel, Hulk defeats Abomination because the latter "thinks too much."

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** Likewise in UltimateMarvel, ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, Hulk defeats Abomination because the latter "thinks too much."
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