History Main / DroitDuSeigneur

1st Feb '16 10:39:15 AM Darkmane
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This is a No Real Life Examples page. As such, while We Are Not Wikipedia, at least provide a link before casually throwing around a declaration like that.
The historical basis for the "right" is murky, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur as discussed on the Other Wiki.]] Though historians have found no evidence that this practice was codified in common law, other historians argue that it was practiced informally and extra-legally as early as in the times of the Roman Empire and as lately as the turn of the century (which century is never really specified) in rural areas of Armenia and Uttar Pradesh, a region in India. The last reliable records regarding droit du seigneur are from XIX-century Imperial Russia, where well-documented criminal cases existed that accused various noblemen of practicing this (not trying, but actively practicing for years until someone reported to the authorities). In addition, there is historical basis for the ''seigneur'' having the right to a cash payment when the daughter of one of his unfree tenants was married.
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The historical basis for the "right" is murky, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur as discussed on the Other Wiki.]] Though historians have found no evidence that this practice was codified in common law, other historians argue that it was practiced informally and extra-legally as early as in the times of the Roman Empire and as lately as the turn of the century (which century is never really specified) in rural areas of Armenia and Uttar Pradesh, a region in India.specified). The last reliable records regarding droit du seigneur are from XIX-century Imperial Russia, where well-documented criminal cases existed that accused various noblemen of practicing this (not trying, but actively practicing for years until someone reported to the authorities). In addition, there is historical basis for the ''seigneur'' having the right to a cash payment when the daughter of one of his unfree tenants was married.
23rd Jan '16 4:29:46 PM Taskmaster123
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* This was invoked by DoctorDoom once, in a minor way. He was walking through his kingdom one night, saw a family with a beautiful young woman (the daughter) sitting at the dinner table, and came to the door and informed her father that as ruler of Latveria, he had the right to the woman's company. Her father allowed her to go with Doom, but Doom had no underhanded intentions. He just wanted an audience for one of his boastful monologues.
12th Jan '16 7:34:30 PM Jeduthun
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* It also appears in ''Theatre/DonGiovanni'', where Masetto accuses Giovanni of wanting to try this custom out on his bride Zerlina. [[TheCasanova He's not too far off, in fact]].
24th Dec '15 6:58:12 PM TSBasilisk
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[[folder:Anime and Manga]] * In ''LightNovel/RakuinNoMonshou'' Prince Gil, blitzed out of his mind and jealous of a happy newly-wed couple, demands this with the bride. When the father of the bride tries to talk him down, Gil ends up stabbed in the ensuing struggle. [[/folder]]
6th Nov '15 9:51:56 AM 8088ben
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** The late Mad King Aerys lusted after Joanna Lannister, wife of his Hand Tywin Lannister. He joked that it was a shame that the practice had been outlawed, antagonizing Tywin. Although he is not known to have raped Joanna, Barristan Selmy does confirm that he took liberties in the bedding ritual, apparently going further than the accepted disrobing of the bride.
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** The late [[TheCaligula Mad King King]] Aerys II lusted after Joanna Lannister, wife of his Hand Tywin Lannister. He joked that it was a shame that the practice had been outlawed, antagonizing Tywin. Although he is not known to have raped Joanna, Barristan Selmy does confirm that he took liberties in the bedding ritual, apparently going further than the accepted disrobing of the bride.

** [[RoyalBrat King Joffrey Baratheon]] threatens to do this to Sansa Stark on her wedding night in [[KickTheDog yet another petty torment he inflicts on her]], though his uncle Tyrion's threat to geld him if he lays a hand on her appears to frighten him off.
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** [[RoyalBrat King Joffrey Baratheon]] threatens to do this to Sansa Stark on her wedding night in [[KickTheDog yet another petty torment he inflicts on her]], though his uncle Tyrion's threat to [[GroinAttack geld him him]] if he lays a hand on her appears to frighten him off.
5th Nov '15 10:16:38 AM nombretomado
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* It is said of Axumite[[note]]Read: ancient/medieval Ethiopian[[/note]] general/official Abraham the Split-Faced, Governor of Yemen,[[note]]Historically notable for building a big cathedral in his capital San`a', which for complicated reasons eventually led to an assault on Mecca in the year of the birth of TheProphetMuhammad[[/note]] that his [[TheMagnificent appellation]] derived from a time when he was engaged in a [[KlingonPromotion fight with a man who wanted his job]]. After Abraham received a chop to the center of his face, his servant jumped in and killed his challenger. In gratitude, the guv said the servant could have anything he wanted; the servant asked for the right to sleep with every bride on her wedding night, which Abraham [[HonorBeforeReason disliked but felt honor-bound to allow]]. So the servant went on sleeping with newlywed women for a while until an aggrieved groom killed him. When the case went before him, Abraham ''apologized'' and let the man go free.
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* It is said of Axumite[[note]]Read: ancient/medieval Ethiopian[[/note]] general/official Abraham the Split-Faced, Governor of Yemen,[[note]]Historically notable for building a big cathedral in his capital San`a', which for complicated reasons eventually led to an assault on Mecca in the year of the birth of TheProphetMuhammad[[/note]] UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad[[/note]] that his [[TheMagnificent appellation]] derived from a time when he was engaged in a [[KlingonPromotion fight with a man who wanted his job]]. After Abraham received a chop to the center of his face, his servant jumped in and killed his challenger. In gratitude, the guv said the servant could have anything he wanted; the servant asked for the right to sleep with every bride on her wedding night, which Abraham [[HonorBeforeReason disliked but felt honor-bound to allow]]. So the servant went on sleeping with newlywed women for a while until an aggrieved groom killed him. When the case went before him, Abraham ''apologized'' and let the man go free.
2nd Nov '15 2:45:39 AM StFan
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* Referenced in Larry Gonick's ''ComicBook/CartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'', in telling the story of an Ethiopian general Abraham the Split-Face, so named due to his taking an axe blade in the face during a duel. His servant saved him during the duel and helped him kill the other duelist, and Abraham offered to reward the servant anything he desired. When the servant demanded that he be allowed to exercise The Lord's Right, Abraham reluctantly agreed. However, after an irate husband murdered the servant, Abraham let the killer off and apologized for his servant's actions.
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* Referenced in Larry Gonick's ''ComicBook/CartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'', ''ComicBook/TheCartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'', in telling the story of an Ethiopian general Abraham the Split-Face, so named due to his taking an axe blade in the face during a duel. His servant saved him during the duel and helped him kill the other duelist, and Abraham offered to reward the servant anything he desired. When the servant demanded that he be allowed to exercise The Lord's Right, Abraham reluctantly agreed. However, after an irate husband murdered the servant, Abraham let the killer off and apologized for his servant's actions.

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31st Oct '15 3:27:49 AM Derkhan
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* Discussed [[PlayedForLaughs for laughs]] in the ninth book of the ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', ''Literature/DustOfDreams''. Chancellor Bugg claims there used to be a tribe where the chief ''and'' his wife had the privilege of bedding imminent brides and grooms the night before the marriage. King Tehol is immediately interested, but Bugg admits he just made that up. Queen Janath, who is incidentally also the court historian, however exitedly exclaims that it's no problem to write such a custom into the histories. The King immediately backpedals.
23rd Oct '15 3:54:37 AM MrThorfan64
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** Played for laughs in the novel ''Discworld/WyrdSisters''. Duke Felmet would like to exercise his Droit du Seigneur, but nobody cares to explain him what it ''is''. As a result, he imagines it to be some kind of large hairy dog. It is also a plot point that the previous king, King Verence I (murdered by Felmet) was very fond of practicing it (apparently without complaints, and it's mentioned that he would send a bag of silver to the couple the day after), and that while he was out, the Queen took up with the court jester- [[HeroicBastard the product of this match]] is crowned as Verence II and turns out to be a good ruler.
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** Played for laughs in the novel ''Discworld/WyrdSisters''. Duke Felmet would like to exercise his Droit du Seigneur, but nobody cares to explain him what it ''is''. As a result, he imagines it to be some kind of large hairy dog. It is also a plot point that the previous king, King Verence I (murdered by Felmet) was very fond of practicing it (apparently without complaints, and it's mentioned that he would send a bag of silver to the couple the day after), and that while he was out, the Queen took up with the court jester- [[HeroicBastard the product of this match]] is believed to be Verence's son but abdicates in favor of his half-brother, who is really the legitimate son of the Fool. They are crowned as Verence II and turns out to be a good ruler.
27th Sep '15 8:44:36 PM Vox
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** Roose Bolton acknowledges that he raped a maid who had married without letting him, as her liege lord, invoke his right of "first night." In an attempt to to present his fellow Northern Lords as NotSoDifferent from him, Bolton claims that Umber lords (staunch allies of the "good guys") also practice it (though Roose is hardly the most truthful Lord). Something of a [[LaserGuidedKarma karmic]] example, although an innocent was slain in the process: This particular sexual crime bore a fruit named [[AxCrazy Ramsay Snow]], who murdered Roose's rightful son and heir (and, by the limited accounts we receive, the only decent human being in the entire House), and saddled Roose with a psychotic and dangerously reckless [[BastardBastard illegitimate heir]].
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** Roose Bolton acknowledges that he raped a maid who had married without letting him, as her liege lord, invoke his right of "first night." In an attempt to to present his fellow Northern Lords as NotSoDifferent from him, Bolton claims that Umber lords (staunch allies of the "good guys") also practice it (though ([[UnreliableNarrator though Roose is hardly the most truthful Lord).Lord]]). Something of a [[LaserGuidedKarma karmic]] example, although an innocent was slain in the process: This particular sexual crime bore a fruit named [[AxCrazy Ramsay Snow]], who murdered Roose's rightful son and heir (and, by the limited accounts we receive, the only decent human being in the entire House), and saddled Roose with a psychotic and dangerously reckless [[BastardBastard illegitimate heir]].
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