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26th Mar '17 5:13:04 PM Dravencour
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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Casca is taken from her home by the local noble who owns her family's land, though Griffith saves her just before anything happens. Though considering what kind of person Griffith is, "saved" may not be the best word to use.
26th Mar '17 5:09:52 PM Dravencour
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* The title character of ''Caligula'' exercises his ''droit du seigneur'' by raping both Proculus and his new wife, widely considered his most sickening act of the movie.

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* The title character of ''Caligula'' ''Film/{{Caligula}}'' exercises his ''droit du seigneur'' by raping both Proculus and his new wife, widely considered his most sickening act of the movie.
20th Mar '17 11:05:55 PM YuriFan17
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* Debunked on [[http://www.straightdope.com ''The Straight Dope'']], citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.

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* Debunked on [[http://www.''[[http://www.straightdope.com ''The The Straight Dope'']], Dope]]'', citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.
20th Mar '17 11:05:16 PM YuriFan17
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* Debunked on [[www.straightdope.com ''The Straight Dope'']], citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.

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* Debunked on [[www.[[http://www.straightdope.com ''The Straight Dope'']], citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.
20th Mar '17 11:02:48 PM YuriFan17
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* In [[CrusaderKings Crusader Kings 2]] a random event might happen, which informs you that the petty nobles in your realm are practicing this. You can then choose to either forbid it (which makes your barons mad) or allow it (which risks a peasant revolt).

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* In [[CrusaderKings [[VideoGame/CrusaderKings Crusader Kings 2]] a random event might happen, which informs you that the petty nobles in your realm are practicing this. You can then choose to either forbid it (which makes your barons mad) or allow it (which risks a peasant revolt).



* Debunked on www.straightdope.com, citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.

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* Debunked on www.[[www.straightdope.com, com ''The Straight Dope'']], citing the dubiousness of historical accounts, the absence of proof, and the grim but all-too-plausible argument that no medieval upper-class thug with a sword would ''need'' such a legal entitlement to get away with raping peasant women.
4th Mar '17 3:20:34 AM ACW
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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Casca is taken from her home by the local noble who owns her family's land, though Griffith saves her just before anything happens. Though considering [[CompleteMonster what kind of person]] [[AGodIAm Griffith is]], "saved" may not be the best word to use.

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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Casca is taken from her home by the local noble who owns her family's land, though Griffith saves her just before anything happens. Though considering [[CompleteMonster what kind of person]] [[AGodIAm person Griffith is]], is, "saved" may not be the best word to use.
25th Feb '17 8:16:24 PM Valen
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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Casca is taken from her home by the local noble who owns her family's land, though Griffith saves her just before anything happens. Though considering [[CompleteMonster what kind of person]] [[AGodIAm Griffith is]], "saved" may not be the best word to use.



* In the {{Elseworlds}} medieval AU one-shot ''Kal'', ComicBook/LexLuthor (as a local lord) invokes this on - no surprise - Lois Lane. The hero Kal dies avenging her rape and murder (she fought back, BTW). Like almost every usage of this trope that one might see, his underlings warn "That isn't really done anymore" - which he laughs off. Even within the fictional worlds where this holds sway, its a bit confusing, since the ''Kal'' story ends with the very elderly James, son of Oll, telling Kal's story to the young Merlin, which means the underlings were telling Lex this ancient right which was no longer invoked was even more ancient than that. Except for stories where it is a current and common practice, no one ever gives a real idea of just when it was common -- only that it no longer is.

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* In the {{Elseworlds}} medieval AU one-shot ''Kal'', ComicBook/LexLuthor (as a local lord) invokes this on - no surprise - Lois Lane. The hero Kal dies avenging her rape and murder (she fought back, BTW).by the way). Like almost every usage of this trope that one might see, his underlings warn "That isn't really done anymore" - which he laughs off. Even within the fictional worlds where this holds sway, its a bit confusing, since the ''Kal'' story ends with the very elderly James, son of Oll, telling Kal's story to the young Merlin, which means the underlings were telling Lex this ancient right which was no longer invoked was even more ancient than that. Except for stories where it is a current and common practice, no one ever gives a real idea of just when it was common -- only that it no longer is.
2nd Feb '17 9:11:47 PM Fireblood
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The historical basis for the "right" is murky, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur as discussed on the Other Wiki.]] Though historians have found no evidence that this practice was codified in common law, other historians argue that it was practiced informally and extra-legally as early as in the times of the Roman Empire and as lately as the turn of the century (which century is never really specified). The last reliable records regarding droit du seigneur are from XIX-century Imperial Russia, where well-documented criminal cases existed that accused various noblemen of practicing this (not trying, but actively practicing for years until someone reported to the authorities). In addition, there is historical basis for the ''seigneur'' having the right to a cash payment when the daughter of one of his unfree tenants was married.

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The historical basis for the "right" is murky, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur as discussed on the Other Wiki.]] Though historians have found no evidence that this practice was codified in common law, other historians argue that it was practiced informally and extra-legally as early as in the times of the Roman Empire and as lately as the turn of the century (which century is never really specified). The last reliable records regarding droit du seigneur are from XIX-century 19th century Imperial Russia, where well-documented criminal cases existed that accused various noblemen of practicing this (not trying, but actively practicing for years until someone reported it to the authorities). In addition, there is historical basis for the ''seigneur'' having the right to a cash payment when the daughter of one of his unfree tenants was married.
13th Jan '17 3:03:54 AM Gaby007
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* Jonnel Stark from ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5320397/chapters/12283199 A Northern Dragoness]]'' is ''really'' grateful to know the right of the first night long dead, as he suspects King Baelor to be gay and is very ''not'' keen on discovering if the groom can be bedded instead of the bride.
12th Jan '17 2:58:42 PM gb00393
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* In ''Series/{{Game of Thrones}}'' Roose Bolton explains to his illegitimate son Ramsay that a peasant couple married on his lands without his permission and that he killed the husband and raped the woman in keeping with his "rights" (it is established that the practise of First Night is outlawed in The North). This led to Ramsay's conception.

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* In ''Series/{{Game of Thrones}}'' Thrones}}'':
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Roose Bolton explains to his illegitimate son Ramsay that a peasant couple married on his lands without his permission and that he killed the husband and raped the woman in keeping with his "rights" (it is established that the practise of First Night is outlawed in The North). This led to Ramsay's conception.conception.
** Joffrey threatens Sansa with this during "Second Sons", declaring it doesn't matter which Lannister puts a baby in her.
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