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25th Sep '16 6:11:42 PM SkyHavenPath13
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* The Ebon Dragon of ''''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' serves as this to Malfeas. While he may advise Malfeas or defer to his authority, he constantly seeks to manipulate the Demon King to his own purposes, and endemically betrays him. One of the biggest exmples would have been back when they were the Dragon's Shadow and the Holy Tyrant respectively, and he manipulated him into creating the Unconquered Sun (a deity who could serve as something for the Shadow to oppose, even while he would also subvert the authority of the Tyrant).

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* The Ebon Dragon of ''''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' ''''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'''' serves as this to Malfeas. While he may advise Malfeas or defer to his authority, he constantly seeks to manipulate the Demon King to his own purposes, and endemically betrays him. One of the biggest exmples would have been back when they were the Dragon's Shadow and the Holy Tyrant respectively, and he manipulated him into creating the Unconquered Sun (a deity who could serve as something for the Shadow to oppose, even while he would also subvert the authority of the Tyrant).
25th Sep '16 6:08:44 PM SkyHavenPath13
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Rather than a straight evil character, he tends to be an AntiVillain or an EnigmaticMinion. Contrast with BattleButler and PsychoSupporter, who are often TheDragon but have the same goal as their master. Unlike TheStarscream or the ReliableTraitor, they are usually at least nominally loyal, and their main agenda doesn't outright conflict with that of their boss. If TheDragon and the BigBad are equal or nearly so, you have a BigBadDuumvirate. If they outlive the original BigBad, this type of [[TheDragon Dragon]] may go on to pursue their own motivations and become a DragonAscendant. Compare/contrast with the similar trope PiggybackingOnHitler. The equivalent among the hero's allies is WhoNeedsEnemies. Compare EvilChancellor.

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Rather than a straight evil character, he tends to be an AntiVillain or an EnigmaticMinion. Contrast with BattleButler and PsychoSupporter, who are often TheDragon but have the same goal as their master. Unlike TheStarscream or the ReliableTraitor, TheStarscream, they are usually at least nominally loyal, and their main agenda doesn't outright conflict with that of their boss. If TheDragon and the BigBad are equal or nearly so, you have a BigBadDuumvirate. If they outlive the original BigBad, this type of [[TheDragon Dragon]] may go on to pursue their own motivations and become a DragonAscendant. Compare/contrast with the similar trope PiggybackingOnHitler. The equivalent among the hero's allies is WhoNeedsEnemies. Compare EvilChancellor.
23rd Sep '16 6:42:41 AM LentilSandEater
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* Commander Shepard arguably falls into this role in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', being [[EnemyMine forced to work]] with the Illusive Man to stop the Collectors from abducting colonists. Ironically, the Illusive Man seems surprised when Shepard (possibly) opts to destroy the Collector Base, [[FaustianRebellion tells him where to shove it]], before taking the ''Normandy'' and loyal crew for themselves.



** They could arguably be considered this for Oberon later, though that depends on [[ChaoticNeutral whether or not he counts as a villain]]. WordOfGod says they ''are'' still plotting revenge, despite Oberon being at peace with the Avalon gargoyles.
23rd Sep '16 6:32:55 AM LentilSandEater
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->'''[[TheDragon Talzo]]:''' It's complicated. I'd prefer to leave your Squad out of my issues, but my actions aren't all related to my issues.

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->'''[[TheDragon Talzo]]:''' ->'''Talzo:''' It's complicated. I'd prefer to leave your Squad out of my issues, but my actions aren't all related to my issues.
6th Sep '16 8:15:30 AM whereismytea
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* In ''Manga/Brave10'', Tokugawa Ieyasu has two dragons: Hattori Hanzo and Date Masamune. Hanzo has his own plans for capturing Isanami, and couldn't care less about the upcoming Tokugawa vs Toyotomi clash, [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream after all his team would be the one ruling from the shadows]]...or so he claims.]] Masamune also completely lacks respect for Ieyasu and his intentions. He's just in it for [[BloodKnight WAR!]]
13th Aug '16 8:36:22 PM nombretomado
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* All of Chaos' Warriors in ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' have priorities other than serving him. Some of them, like Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness, are just {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s. Others, like Sephiroth and Kuja, are more interested in going back to their own worlds, regaining their memories, and screwing with the Warriors of Cosmos. And then there's Golbez, whose role in the story [[AntiVillain can hardly be called antagonistic]].

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* All of Chaos' Warriors in ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' have priorities other than serving him. Some of them, like Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness, are just {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s. Others, like Sephiroth and Kuja, are more interested in going back to their own worlds, regaining their memories, and screwing with the Warriors of Cosmos. And then there's Golbez, whose role in the story [[AntiVillain can hardly be called antagonistic]].
7th Aug '16 8:09:34 AM billybobfred
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** Tarquin himself is a ''professional'' Dragon With An Agenda. His agenda is to stand behind the [[PuppetKing Puppet Empress]] of the Empire of Blood, while his other party members take the same role for the Empires of Sweat and Tears, thereby ensuring that his crowd are the ''real'' rulers of the supposedly-divided continent. If the puppet ever starts to realize what's going on or tries taking their own initiative, Tarquin arranges for a convenient assassination and starts pulling the replacement's strings instead. Luckily for the Empress of Blood, [[TheDitz she's not likely to provoke that fate anytime soon]].
31st Jul '16 2:31:53 PM contrafanxxx
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* The Asset from ''Film/JasonBourne'' wants to kill Bourne personally because of his leak of Blackbriar.
23rd Jun '16 7:52:13 PM nombretomado
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* Recurring villain Wild Dog in the ''{{TimeCrisis}}'' series. In the first two games he seems to be very loyal and close to the retrospective {{Big Bad}}'s, but after they both die and he loses his arm in his first fight with a VSSE agent back in the first game {Then getting it replaced with a robotic arm}, he shows up in the later games not caring about the plans of the {{Big Bad}}'s of the 3rd and 4th games: He just wants to cause as much trouble for the VSSE for as he can, regardless of what his current boss wants to do.

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* Recurring villain Wild Dog in the ''{{TimeCrisis}}'' ''VideoGame/TimeCrisis'' series. In the first two games he seems to be very loyal and close to the retrospective {{Big Bad}}'s, but after they both die and he loses his arm in his first fight with a VSSE agent back in the first game {Then getting it replaced with a robotic arm}, he shows up in the later games not caring about the plans of the {{Big Bad}}'s of the 3rd and 4th games: He just wants to cause as much trouble for the VSSE for as he can, regardless of what his current boss wants to do.
19th Jun '16 2:17:29 PM nombretomado
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* [[TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn and Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth]]. C'baoth took Thrawn's orders with more and more reluctance as time went on, and he wanted very different things. Towards the end, they weren't really on the same side anymore. [[spoiler:Thrawn was fully aware of this, and at the time of his death was planning to solve the problem by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness eliminating C'baoth]] and [[SendInTheClones making a replacement C'baoth]]. His own death, nearly simultaneous to C'baoth's, derailed his plan.]]

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* [[TheThrawnTrilogy [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn and Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth]]. C'baoth took Thrawn's orders with more and more reluctance as time went on, and he wanted very different things. Towards the end, they weren't really on the same side anymore. [[spoiler:Thrawn was fully aware of this, and at the time of his death was planning to solve the problem by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness eliminating C'baoth]] and [[SendInTheClones making a replacement C'baoth]]. His own death, nearly simultaneous to C'baoth's, derailed his plan.]]
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