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18th Mar '17 6:12:45 AM Nohbody
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* A rare "good" use of this trope can be found in Creator/{{Orson Scott Card}}'s ''How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy''. He posits that when considering one's own work, a writer must be able to believe that it is both the greatest work in the history of the written word and a terrible piece of garbage, simultaneously if possible. That way, one can believe the first while writing it, the second while editing it, the first again while submitting it for publication, and the second again if a rejection slip comes.



* A rare "good" use of this trope can be found in Creator/{{Orson Scott Card}}'s ''How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy''. He posits that when considering one's own work, a writer must be able to believe that it is both the greatest work in the history of the written word and a terrible piece of garbage, simultaneously if possible. That way, one can believe the first while writing it, the second while editing it, the first again while submitting it for publication, and the second again if a rejection slip comes.
* A frequent attribute of {{narcissist}}s, [[TheSociopath sociopaths]] and other such personality types, particularly those involved in crime or deviancy. Its also the reason ThePerryMasonMethod is rarely effective in the real world- most criminals (or simply liars, bullies etc.), especially hardened criminals- rarely ever crack or confess to a crime even in the face of overwhelming evidence, refusing to admit any wrongdoing either because of delusions of their own infallibility or because total denial is how most innocent people would react and BelievingYourOwnLies seems like a good way of avoiding jail or garnering sympathy.
* Quite a lot of "common sense" beliefs contradict other "common sense" beliefs. [[http://beebo.org/smackerels/contradictory-proverbs.html Here are some examples.]]
** Stereotypes too, as noted on their trope pages - AllWomenAreLustful vs AllWomenArePrudes would be just one example. It's safe to say that everyone does this to at least some extent.
** Similarly, this is quite common anywhere strong opinions are found, such as politics, where people who embrace a particular principle on one issue will embrace the opposite principle on another. Sometimes it's the same issue with slightly different circumstances. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement No examples are needed.]]

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* A rare "good" use of this trope can be found in Creator/{{Orson Scott Card}}'s ''How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy''. He posits that when considering one's own work, a writer must be able to believe that it is both the greatest work in the history of the written word and a terrible piece of garbage, simultaneously if possible. That way, one can believe the first while writing it, the second while editing it, the first again while submitting it for publication, and the second again if a rejection slip comes.
* A frequent attribute of {{narcissist}}s, [[TheSociopath sociopaths]] and other such personality types, particularly those involved in crime or deviancy. Its also the reason ThePerryMasonMethod is rarely effective in the real world- most criminals (or simply liars, bullies etc.), especially hardened criminals- rarely ever crack or confess to a crime even in the face of overwhelming evidence, refusing to admit any wrongdoing either because of delusions of their own infallibility or because total denial is how most innocent people would react and BelievingYourOwnLies seems like a good way of avoiding jail or garnering sympathy.
* Quite a lot of "common sense" beliefs contradict other "common sense" beliefs. [[http://beebo.org/smackerels/contradictory-proverbs.html Here are some examples.]]
** Stereotypes too, as noted on their trope pages - AllWomenAreLustful vs AllWomenArePrudes would be just one example. It's safe to say that everyone does this to at least some extent.
** Similarly, this is quite common anywhere strong opinions are found, such as politics, where people who embrace a particular principle on one issue will embrace the opposite principle on another. Sometimes it's the same issue with slightly different circumstances. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement No examples are needed.]]
19th Feb '17 9:07:01 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': Mikkel states that one can act under two assumptions at once concerning [[spoiler:Tuuri's troll bite. Assuming that it infected her with a disease that will ultimately either kill her or turn her into a troll will distract everyone from doing their work correctly, so they need to assume she is not infected until proven otherwise. However, they have another non-immune among them and the disease is already contagious while it's incubating. It results in an overall attitude of simultaneously acting as if Tuuri is going to be fine and taking precautions to avoid any situation in which she may infect Reynir.]]
24th Dec '16 12:17:52 PM Gosicrystal
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Compare and contrast ByNoIMeanYes, DistinctionWithoutADifference and FromACertainPointOfView, where a character tries to glue opposing viewpoints together as being the same thing, giving it a resemblance of coherence by various esoteric distinctions. Compare MemoryGambit & PoesLaw. Contrast BecomingTheMask, where cognitive dissonance sets in and a character who has pretended to be loyal to a certain group starts gaining true loyalty towards it, and BothSidesHaveAPoint where both sides are respected but kept separated. See also TwoPlusTortureMakesFive and TheTreacheryOfImages.

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Compare and contrast ByNoIMeanYes, DistinctionWithoutADifference and FromACertainPointOfView, MetaphoricallyTrue, where a character tries to glue opposing viewpoints together as being the same thing, giving it a resemblance of coherence by various esoteric distinctions. Compare MemoryGambit & PoesLaw. Contrast BecomingTheMask, where cognitive dissonance sets in and a character who has pretended to be loyal to a certain group starts gaining true loyalty towards it, and BothSidesHaveAPoint where both sides are respected but kept separated. See also TwoPlusTortureMakesFive and TheTreacheryOfImages.
24th Dec '16 12:17:26 PM Gosicrystal
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Compare and contrast NoExceptYes and FromACertainPointOfView, where a character tries to glue opposing viewpoints together as being the same thing, giving it a resemblance of coherence by various esoteric distinctions. Compare MemoryGambit & PoesLaw. Contrast BecomingTheMask, where cognitive dissonance sets in and a character who has pretended to be loyal to a certain group starts gaining true loyalty towards it, and BothSidesHaveAPoint where both sides are respected but kept separated. See also TwoPlusTortureMakesFive and TheTreacheryOfImages.

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Compare and contrast NoExceptYes ByNoIMeanYes, DistinctionWithoutADifference and FromACertainPointOfView, where a character tries to glue opposing viewpoints together as being the same thing, giving it a resemblance of coherence by various esoteric distinctions. Compare MemoryGambit & PoesLaw. Contrast BecomingTheMask, where cognitive dissonance sets in and a character who has pretended to be loyal to a certain group starts gaining true loyalty towards it, and BothSidesHaveAPoint where both sides are respected but kept separated. See also TwoPlusTortureMakesFive and TheTreacheryOfImages.
20th Nov '16 12:28:25 PM RoyFlowers
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* The concept of Doublethink is specifically referred to in VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain, a game already loaded with references to Orwell's famous novel. In fact, the idea that anyone, given the right conditioning, can be made to completely accept two conflicting beliefs simultaneously ends up being an integral part of ''The Phantom Pain's'' plot. There's a gameplay Easter Egg wherein Snake can shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer, leaving him in a dazed state in which he will mutter "2+2=5." [[spoiler: This is actually foreshadowing the fact that Ocelot has been actively conditioned to accept two contradictory truths through self-hypnosis. The Truth being an even bigger case of Doublethink. Which is that the player character, Venom Snake, is not the actual Snake (Big Boss) as we'd been led to believe, but a wounded soldier who was made to be a perfect BodyDouble, taking on the persona of Big Boss through plastic surgery and nine years of brainwashing. By the time Venom is made aware of this revelation, [[BecomingTheMask he's come so far that he is able to willingly believe that -- having lived up to the legend of Big Boss so well up to that point -- they are indeed one and the same.]] [[LossOfIdentity Even if inside he still knows he was a completely different person whose true identity was taken from him]].]] In this case, Ocelot name drops it after the fact.
23rd Oct '16 10:45:23 PM VVK
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* Parodied (not the concept itself but its presence in a certain context) in ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'': [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2221]]

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* Parodied (not the concept itself but its presence in a certain context) in ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'': ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2221]]php?db=comics&id=2221]]:
--> '''Quantum physicist''': So, you see, something can exist not just as truth or falsehood, but also a superposition, a third option: true--false.
--> '''Politician''': Well yeah. I'm sorry... why does anyone find this difficult?
20th Oct '16 11:51:00 AM FordPrefect
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* George Orwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' is the TropeNamer. The party requires that all citizens believe everything that the party says, even when they know for a fact that it is not true. Ingrained in this concept is also the idea that all we can say of reality is in our minds and therefore [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve belief determines reality]]. If everyone believes that something is true, then it ''is'' true. Thus, the party can literally dictate reality -- though in a sense you need Doublethink to consider literal.

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* George Orwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' is the TropeNamer. The party requires that all citizens believe everything that the party says, even when they know for a fact that it is not true. Ingrained in this concept is also the idea that all we can say of reality is in our minds and therefore [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve belief determines reality]]. If everyone believes that something is true, then it ''is'' true. Thus, the party can literally dictate reality -- though in a sense you need Doublethink to consider it to be literal.
8th Oct '16 8:46:27 PM DustSnitch
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* "Paths of Glory" by Music/FaithNoMore uses the line "I'm not afraid / But I'm afraid" to demonstrate a mentality frequent in WarIsHell scenarios: living in very obvious and unavoidable fear while at the same time attempting to adopt the {{Badass}} mentality that one isn't in order to cope with the twisted soldier fantasy / reality paradox.

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* "Paths of Glory" by Music/FaithNoMore uses the line "I'm not afraid / But I'm afraid" to demonstrate a mentality frequent in WarIsHell scenarios: living in very obvious and unavoidable fear while at the same time attempting to adopt the {{Badass}} badass mentality that one isn't in order to cope with the twisted soldier fantasy / reality paradox.
8th Sep '16 4:16:22 AM themisterfree
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Not related to the short-lived 1986 Creator/{{ABC}} game show ''Double Talk'', produced by Creator/BobStewart.
8th Sep '16 4:15:32 AM themisterfree
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