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4th Jun '16 10:40:04 PM merotoker
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien, not a magical creature, and he wants to prevent the universe's heat death by breaking the second law of thermodynamics. However, he does this by performing genuine miracles and drawing out real magical potential in human girls so he can collect energy generated by emotions; none of these are governed by thermodynamics or any kind of science and that's why they suit Kyubey's purpose.]] A rare case of also counting as DoingInTheWizard.
* ''Anime/ParanoiaAgent'': Lil' Slugger [[spoiler: is not a human delinquent. He's a supernatural phantom unwittingly created by Tsukiko to escape responsibility for the death of her dog.]]

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien, not a magical creature, and he wants to prevent the universe's heat death by breaking the second law of thermodynamics. However, he does this by performing genuine miracles and drawing out real magical potential in human girls so he can collect energy generated by emotions; none of these are governed by thermodynamics or any kind of science and that's why they suit Kyubey's purpose.]] purpose]]. A rare case of also counting as DoingInTheWizard.
* ''Anime/ParanoiaAgent'': Lil' Slugger [[spoiler: is not a human delinquent. He's a supernatural phantom unwittingly created by Tsukiko to escape responsibility for the death of her dog.]]dog]].



** The [[{{Foreign Remake}} Indian]] Spider-Man went with magic from the beginning. Pavitr gets his powers from a yogi, and his versions of the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Venom are demons that possess humans.
* TheFlash's powers were originally due to a FreakLabAccident, but later the origin was retconned into a connection to a mystical dimension called the Speed Force but it didn't Do In The Scientist as much as it forced the Scientist to shake hands with the Wizard. Though the Speed Force is indeed mystical, all of the Flashes as well as many other speedsters in the DCU gained or activate their connection through scientific means, such as Allen and West's lightning/chemical accidents or the Quick family's mathematical speed formula. The Scientist later gained ground on the Wizard with a RetCon that stated the Speed Force was ''created'' pseudo-scientifically by the original FreakLabAccident, with Barry Allen generating its energies as he runs.

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** The [[{{Foreign Remake}} [[ForeignRemake Indian]] Spider-Man went with magic from the beginning. Pavitr gets his powers from a yogi, and his versions of the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Venom are demons that possess humans.
* TheFlash's Franchise/TheFlash's powers were originally due to a FreakLabAccident, but later the origin was retconned into a connection to a mystical dimension called the Speed Force but it didn't Do In The Scientist as much as it forced the Scientist to shake hands with the Wizard. Though the Speed Force is indeed mystical, all of the Flashes as well as many other speedsters in the DCU gained or activate their connection through scientific means, such as Allen and West's lightning/chemical accidents or the Quick family's mathematical speed formula. The Scientist later gained ground on the Wizard with a RetCon that stated the Speed Force was ''created'' pseudo-scientifically by the original FreakLabAccident, with Barry Allen generating its energies as he runs.



* As seen in ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'' a kind of spiritual prequel to ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'', Oz is a real place (which was LFrankBaum's intention). Dorothy just saw all the parallels between people she met in Oz and people she knew earlier and ''assumed'' it was a dream.
* ''Film/ThePrestige'' has an odd variant of this that falls somewhere between this trope and DoingInTheWizard. From the beginning, the movie is presented as a fairly mundane PeriodPiece about a pair of Victorian stage magicians battling over trade secrets for their magical acts. Naturally, we assume that all of their magic tricks can be explained away as clever illusions, even when both men come up with magic tricks that apparently let them teleport instantly from one side of a stage to another. [[spoiler: Neither trick is ''magic'', per se, but one of them turns out to have been accomplished with a replication/cloning device invented by Nikola Tesla, unexpectedly pushing the movie into science fiction territory]].

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* As seen in ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'' a kind of spiritual prequel to ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'', Oz is a real place (which was LFrankBaum's Creator/LFrankBaum's intention). Dorothy just saw all the parallels between people she met in Oz and people she knew earlier and ''assumed'' it was a dream.
* ''Film/ThePrestige'' has an odd variant of this that falls somewhere between this trope and DoingInTheWizard. From the beginning, the movie is presented as a fairly mundane PeriodPiece about a pair of Victorian stage magicians battling over trade secrets for their magical acts. Naturally, we assume that all of their magic tricks can be explained away as clever illusions, even when both men come up with magic tricks that apparently let them teleport instantly from one side of a stage to another. [[spoiler: Neither trick is ''magic'', per se, but one of them turns out to have been accomplished with a replication/cloning device invented by Nikola Tesla, unexpectedly pushing the movie into science fiction territory]].territory.]]



* ''Literature/TheExilesViolin'': Despite all the talk about how alchemy is nothing more than chemistry+mysticism and general disbelief in magic [[spoiler: the Exile's Violin has real magic power and the 'alchemically enhanced' swords that previously defeated it are the only weapons that can stop it.]]

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* ''Literature/TheExilesViolin'': Despite all the talk about how alchemy is nothing more than chemistry+mysticism and general disbelief in magic [[spoiler: the Exile's Violin has real magic power and the 'alchemically enhanced' swords that previously defeated it are the only weapons that can stop it.]]it]].



* ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' gets closer to this than any other incarnation. The Prophets of Bajor live in a separate plane of existence and watch over the people of Bajor, who worship them as Gods. As far as everybody else is concerned, they're SufficientlyAdvancedAliens who live in a temporally non-linear plane of existence. The series never comes down hard on what they are but had something of a ToneShift. Sisko, Jadzia Dax, and [[spoiler: Gul Dukat]] all start out as either alien or skeptic to the Prophets' [[spoiler: or Pah Wraiths']] divinity, but end up embracing it to some degree in the end. Also, in the last seasons of the Dominion War arc, a lot of Action / HighFantasy tropes [[spoiler: i.e TheChosenOne, FinalBattle, EvilCounterpart]] start to overtake the slow-burning character growth and social realism. There's no Sci-Fi explaination for what's going on much of the time. [[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E25E26WhatYouLeaveBehind}} What You Leave Behind]] feels much more like [[{{Film/TheLordOfTheRings}} Return Of The King]] than [[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E24AllGoodThings}} All Good Things]].

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* ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' gets closer to this than any other incarnation. The Prophets of Bajor live in a separate plane of existence and watch over the people of Bajor, who worship them as Gods. As far as everybody else is concerned, they're SufficientlyAdvancedAliens {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s who live in a temporally non-linear plane of existence. The series never comes down hard on what they are but had something of a ToneShift. Sisko, Jadzia Dax, and [[spoiler: Gul Dukat]] all start out as either alien or skeptic to the Prophets' [[spoiler: or Pah Wraiths']] divinity, but end up embracing it to some degree in the end. Also, in the last seasons of the Dominion War arc, a lot of Action / HighFantasy tropes [[spoiler: i.e e. TheChosenOne, FinalBattle, EvilCounterpart]] start to overtake the slow-burning character growth and social realism. There's no Sci-Fi explaination explanation for what's going on much of the time. [[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E25E26WhatYouLeaveBehind}} "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E25E26WhatYouLeaveBehind What You Leave Behind]] Behind]]" feels much more like [[{{Film/TheLordOfTheRings}} ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Return Of The King]] of the King]]'' than [[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E24AllGoodThings}} "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E24AllGoodThings All Good Things]].Things]]".



* ''Series/BabylonFive'' toyed with the idea that at least some of the First Ones' powers were magical for a long time, but always also left it open that it was just the tech of {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien|s}}. Then ''The Lost Tales'' depicted what appeared to be an actual Christian demon (it was implied that the entity's actual nature was more complex than that, but it was still strongly suggested to be genuinely supernatural).

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* ''Series/BabylonFive'' toyed with the idea that at least some of the First Ones' powers were magical for a long time, but always also left it open that it was just the tech of {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien|s}}.Alien}}s. Then ''The Lost Tales'' depicted what appeared to be an actual Christian demon (it was implied that the entity's actual nature was more complex than that, but it was still strongly suggested to be genuinely supernatural).



* ''Series/AgentsOfShield'': Simmons initially thinks that Will's stories of "It" and the Monolith planet having "moods" are just symptoms of his long isolation and that there is a scientific explanation. When she sees "It" for herself, and that a gorge suddenly became much wider when they needed to cross it, she decides otherwise.
* '''Series/DoctorWho'': In the Series 9 episode "Under the Lake", the Doctor denounces "ghosts" as nonsense. Then he changes his mind and says that yes, they really are the souls of dead people. They're not something scientific like Auton duplicates, flesh avatar clones or digital copies "floating about the Nethersphere". He's ecstatic to meet a "proper ghost".

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* ''Series/AgentsOfShield'': ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': Simmons initially thinks that Will's stories of "It" and the Monolith planet having "moods" are just symptoms of his long isolation and that there is a scientific explanation. When she sees "It" for herself, and that a gorge suddenly became much wider when they needed to cross it, she decides otherwise.
* '''Series/DoctorWho'': ''Series/DoctorWho'': In the Series 9 episode "Under the Lake", the Doctor denounces "ghosts" as nonsense. Then he changes his mind and says that yes, they really are the souls of dead people. They're not something scientific like Auton duplicates, flesh avatar clones or digital copies "floating about the Nethersphere". He's ecstatic to meet a "proper ghost".



* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'', it's shown that the NighInvulnerable Nova monsters can be harmed by [[LightEmUp a special kind of energy]] given off by Sophie. Later, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Sophie is actually a RobotGirl created by the people of a different planet... except ''then'' it turns out that the thing that powers her mysterious attacks is actually the mystical energy of the planet]]. Similarly, the laws of the world of Fodra were thought to be entirely natural until [[EldritchAbomination Lambda]] was discovered in its core.

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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'', it's shown that the NighInvulnerable {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le Nova monsters can be harmed by [[LightEmUp a special kind of energy]] given off by Sophie. Later, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Sophie is actually a RobotGirl created by the people of a different planet... except ''then'' it turns out that the thing that powers her mysterious attacks is actually the mystical energy of the planet]]. Similarly, the laws of the world of Fodra were thought to be entirely natural until [[EldritchAbomination Lambda]] was discovered in its core.



* ''WebComic/WoodenRose'': [[spoiler: Eric originally attributed his wife's pregnacy to infidliety but when he saw that the child was a tree spirit and came to term in a week instead of nine months he had no choice but to accept that the supernatural was involved.]]

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* ''WebComic/WoodenRose'': [[spoiler: Eric originally attributed his wife's pregnacy to infidliety but when he saw that the child was a tree spirit and came to term in a week instead of nine months he had no choice but to accept that the supernatural was involved.]]involved]].



* ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' has pulled this in some of its modern incarnations. ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland popularized this, although it was justified: the entire point of the film was that the gang had spent several years debunking hauntings as hoaxes and criminal plots and the film explored how they would react when finally face with the supernatural for real.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' has pulled this in some of its modern incarnations. ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland'' popularized this, although it was justified: the entire point of the film was that the gang had spent several years debunking hauntings as [[ScoobyDooHoax hoaxes and criminal plots plots]] and the film explored how they would react when finally face faced with the supernatural for real.



* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Initially, Shego's hand blasts were implied to be devices in her gloves. Later it was firmly established to be a superpower given to her by a magic comet.

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* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Initially, Shego's hand blasts were implied to be devices in her gloves. Later it was firmly established to be a superpower given to her by a magic comet.MagicMeteor.
22nd Mar '16 4:14:55 PM DeisTheAlcano
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->''"'''Xavier Pendragon:''' An alchemist who uses Hapkido Cane Fighting. He was burned at the stake due to the fact that his powers, based on science, were actually dark magic. To be fair, they had a point, since this guy can shoot a magic dragon out of his staff which can bite people, along with turning them to gold, and, in one of the weirdest moves in fighting game history, swap characters with his opponent."''
-->--'''''HardcoreGaming101''''' [[http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/eternalchampions/eternalchampions1.htm on]] ''VideoGame/EternalChampions

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->''"'''Xavier Pendragon:''' ->''"''Xavier Pendragon'': An alchemist who uses Hapkido Cane Fighting. He was burned at the stake due to the fact that his powers, based on science, were actually dark magic. To be fair, they had a point, since this guy can shoot a magic dragon out of his staff which can bite people, along with turning them to gold, and, in one of the weirdest moves in fighting game history, swap characters with his opponent."''
-->--'''''HardcoreGaming101''''' -->-- ''Website/HardcoreGaming101'' [[http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/eternalchampions/eternalchampions1.htm on]] ''VideoGame/EternalChampions
speaking about]] ''VideoGame/EternalChampions''
17th Mar '16 11:28:01 AM CapnAndy
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* ''Series/AgentsOfShield'': Simmons initially thinks that Will's stories of "It" and the Monolith planet having "moods" are just symptoms of his long isolation and that there is a scientific explanation. When she sees "It" for herself, and that a gorge suddnely became much wider when they needed to cross it, she decides otherwise.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfShield'': Simmons initially thinks that Will's stories of "It" and the Monolith planet having "moods" are just symptoms of his long isolation and that there is a scientific explanation. When she sees "It" for herself, and that a gorge suddnely suddenly became much wider when they needed to cross it, she decides otherwise.



* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' has perhaps the most unique example of this, as, in the setting, there is no real distinction between "magic" and "science". The setting is based on [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Consensual Reality]] ("The world is only as it is because we believe it is"). Basically, only gifted individuals (that the game calls "awakened") can truly work outside the CURRENT laws of physics. An Awakened today would be the only one to be able to summon a dragon, because dragons break the rules of our world but everyone could use a computer. On the other side, an Awakened in the Middle Ages would be the only one to be able to build a mechanical difference engine, but everyone of course knows that dragons exist. Yes, in the Middle Ages, dragons were "science" and computers were "magic". In short, not only the Wizard and the Scientist keep doing in each other, but they are (metaphorically) the same person, who routinely changes his clothes from "cloak and wizard hat" to "glasses and lab coat" and vice versa in order to do in himself. [[spoiler: The most accepted ending to the metaplot reveals that humanity AscendedToAHigherPlaneOfExistence since the Wizard and the Scientist really were one and the same, pointlessly fighting.]]

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* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' has perhaps the most unique example of this, as, in the setting, there is no real distinction between "magic" and "science". The setting is based on [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Consensual Reality]] ("The world is only as it is because we believe it is"). Basically, only gifted individuals (that the game calls "awakened") can truly work outside the CURRENT laws of physics. An Awakened today would be the only one to be able to summon a dragon, because dragons break the rules of our world world, but everyone could use a computer. On the other side, an Awakened in the Middle Ages would be the only one to be able to build a mechanical difference engine, but everyone of course knows that dragons exist. Yes, in the Middle Ages, dragons were "science" and computers were "magic". In short, not only the Wizard and the Scientist keep doing in each other, but they are (metaphorically) the same person, who routinely changes his clothes from "cloak and wizard hat" to "glasses and lab coat" and vice versa in order to do in himself. [[spoiler: The most accepted ending to the metaplot reveals that humanity AscendedToAHigherPlaneOfExistence since the Wizard and the Scientist really were one and the same, pointlessly fighting.]]
17th Mar '16 11:23:09 AM CapnAndy
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* ''Anime/ParanoiaAgent'': Lil' Slugger [[spoiler: is not a human deliquent. He's a supernatural phantom unwittingly created by Tsukiko to escape responsibility for the death of her dog.]]

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* ''Anime/ParanoiaAgent'': Lil' Slugger [[spoiler: is not a human deliquent.delinquent. He's a supernatural phantom unwittingly created by Tsukiko to escape responsibility for the death of her dog.]]
20th Feb '16 9:23:32 AM nombretomado
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* ''Film/TheAvengers'': Tony suggests that the Hulk (A.K.A "The Other Guy") is not triggered by Bruce's heart rate ''per se'', but that the Hulk deliberately manifests to protect Bruce in dangerous situations. Thus, it is an ally to be embraced instead of a monster to be caged. The events of the movie support this view. [[spoiler: Bruce tells TheTeam that Hulk interrupted his suicide attempt and later it emerges in the final battle because Bruce told it to.]]

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* ''Film/TheAvengers'': ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'': Tony suggests that the Hulk (A.K.A "The Other Guy") is not triggered by Bruce's heart rate ''per se'', but that the Hulk deliberately manifests to protect Bruce in dangerous situations. Thus, it is an ally to be embraced instead of a monster to be caged. The events of the movie support this view. [[spoiler: Bruce tells TheTeam that Hulk interrupted his suicide attempt and later it emerges in the final battle because Bruce told it to.]]
3rd Feb '16 7:09:58 PM The_Last_Brickman
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* In ''LightNovel/Durarara!!'', [[TheBerserker Shizuo]] delivers a rather prompt one in regards to how he developed his SuperStrength:
--> Shizuo: I came back stronger every time. Shinra says... you know what?! Screw what Shinra says! [[HandWave I CAME BACK STRONGER EVERY TIME!]]
3rd Feb '16 7:05:56 PM The_Last_Brickman
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* In ''LightNovel/Durarara!!'', [[TheBerserker Shizuo]] delivers a rather prompt one in regards to how he developed his SuperStrength:
--> Shizuo: I came back stronger every time. Shinra says... you know what?! Screw what Shinra says! [[HandWave I CAME BACK STRONGER EVERY TIME!]]
2nd Feb '16 11:10:06 AM ChaoticNovelist
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*'''Series/DoctorWho'': In the Series 9 episode "Under the Lake", the Doctor denounces "ghosts" as nonsense. Then he changes his mind and says that yes, they really are the souls of dead people. They're not something scientific like Auton duplicates, flesh avatar clones or digital copies "floating about the Nethersphere". He's ecstatic to meet a "proper ghost".
16th Jan '16 5:03:12 AM marineito
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* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' began as hard science fiction and slowly acquired more and more religious/fantastic elements: precognition, incorporeal beings, restoration of destroyed objects and resurrection from the dead. [[spoiler: The series ended with the characters, at least, putting the events of the series down to divine intervention,]] although strictly speaking the viewer is left to make up his own mind.

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* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' began as hard science fiction and slowly acquired more and more religious/fantastic elements: precognition, incorporeal beings, restoration of destroyed objects and resurrection from the dead. [[spoiler: The series ended with the characters, at least, putting the events of the series down to divine intervention,]] although strictly speaking the viewer is viewers are left to make up his their own mind.minds.
14th Dec '15 12:41:27 AM Kinswaous
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* As seen in ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'' a kind of spiritual prequel to ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'', Oz is a real place. Dorothy just saw all the parallels between people she met in Oz and people she knew earlier and ''assumed'' it was a dream.

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* As seen in ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'' a kind of spiritual prequel to ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'', Oz is a real place.place (which was LFrankBaum's intention). Dorothy just saw all the parallels between people she met in Oz and people she knew earlier and ''assumed'' it was a dream.
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