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18th Jul '17 10:29:27 AM thatother1dude
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''did'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
-->'''Gedevan''': "Why did they do it?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that we don't do it to them first."
-->'''Gedevan''': "And why would you do that?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that they don't hang over our heads."

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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''did'' ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
-->'''Gedevan''': "Why Why did they do it?"
-->'''Wef''': "So
it?\\
'''Wef''': So
that we don't do it to them first."
-->'''Gedevan''': "And
\\
'''Gedevan''': And
why would you do that?"
-->'''Wef''': "So
that?\\
'''Wef''': So
that they don't hang over our heads."
15th Jul '17 6:54:56 PM DukeofFinland
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* Second and Third UsefulNotes/PunicWars were largely the result of both Carthaginians and Romans fearing a future invasion from one another. The second one was started when it became clear to Carthage that Romans weren't going to tolerate their territorial expansions in Iberia for any longer. The third one on the other hand started when what little remained of Carthage after the devastation of the second war was getting back on its legs. Romans started to fear that they might become a threat once again and decided to [[FinalSolution annihilate the entire Carthaginian population]].
15th Jul '17 6:27:01 PM DukeofFinland
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. UrExample was the Soviet Union. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.

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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. UrExample was the Soviet Union.Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
8th May '17 6:45:34 AM case
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* ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'': Used when Rossum's founder makes a last ditch effort to convince his "family" that he needs to [[MassHypnosis mind control the world]]. Adelle [=DeWitt=], not above morally dubious actions herself, calls him "[[YoureInsane spectacularly insane]]".
* In ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', one of Jayne's lines includes the phrase "I'll kill a man in a fair fight...or if I think he's going to ''start'' a fair fight," though he then goes on to list a few other possible reasons.
* Max on ''Series/LivingSingle''.
--> "It's not revenge; it's prevenge. Getting to them before they get to you."
* This was Season 3 of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' in a nutshell, until the humans found out both sides were being played by the [[LetsYouAndHimFight Sphere-Builders.]]
* An episode of ''{{Series/Bonanza}}'' had a family of squatters led by a matriarch who claimed no one would give them a fair deal, saying there were two laws, one to protect everyone else and their law which was essentially "An Eye For An Eye." Their conflict with the Cartwrights starts when one of the boys kills one of her sons in self defense after he tried to shoot him in the back, ''twice'', when the Cartwright tried to stop him from setting a clearing fire that would have burned an entire populated valley. Despite their stance of avenging slights the family acts in a way that actually causes confrontations, like squatting on other's land and breaking out rifles every time they meet someone. The matriarch's attitude has caused her sons to act violently when opposed and made it a SelfFulfillingProphecy, though most of her children don't agree with her position. In the end, [[spoiler: her surviving children refuse to go to war with the Cartwrights and she decides to make peace with the family, ending the feud on a positive note as she accepts Ben's offer to help her family settle in a new home]].
* In episode 7 of ''{{Series/Survivor}}'': Blood vs. Water, [[spoiler: Tina reveals to Monica that Kat wants Monica to be voted out, which would clearly break the Galang women's alliance. Monica has a grim realization:]]
--> [[spoiler: '''Monica''': I teach my kids "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you would want them to do unto you]]"... but you know what? In ''{{Series/Survivor}}'', I figured it out: it's "do unto others ''before'' they do unto you".]]
* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.
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* ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'': Used when Rossum's founder makes a last ditch effort to convince his "family" that he needs to [[MassHypnosis mind control the world]]. Adelle [=DeWitt=], not above morally dubious actions herself, calls him "[[YoureInsane spectacularly insane]]".
* In ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', one of Jayne's lines includes the phrase "I'll kill a man in a fair fight...or if I think he's going to ''start'' a fair fight," though he then goes on to list a few other possible reasons.
* Max on ''Series/LivingSingle''.
--> "It's not revenge; it's prevenge. Getting to them before they get to you."
* This was Season 3 of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' in a nutshell, until the humans found out both sides were being played by the [[LetsYouAndHimFight Sphere-Builders.]]
* An episode of ''{{Series/Bonanza}}'' had a family of squatters led by a matriarch who claimed no one would give them a fair deal, saying there were two laws, one to protect everyone else and their law which was essentially "An Eye For An Eye." Their conflict with the Cartwrights starts when one of the boys kills one of her sons in self defense after he tried to shoot him in the back, ''twice'', when the Cartwright tried to stop him from setting a clearing fire that would have burned an entire populated valley. Despite their stance of avenging slights the family acts in a way that actually causes confrontations, like squatting on other's land and breaking out rifles every time they meet someone. The matriarch's attitude has caused her sons to act violently when opposed and made it a SelfFulfillingProphecy, though most of her children don't agree with her position. In the end, [[spoiler: her surviving children refuse to go to war with the Cartwrights and she decides to make peace with the family, ending the feud on a positive note as she accepts Ben's offer to help her family settle in a new home]].
* In episode 7 of ''{{Series/Survivor}}'': Blood vs. Water, [[spoiler: Tina reveals to Monica that Kat wants Monica to be voted out, which would clearly break the Galang women's alliance. Monica has a grim realization:]]
--> [[spoiler: '''Monica''': I teach my kids "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you would want them to do unto you]]"... but you know what? In ''{{Series/Survivor}}'', I figured it out: it's "do unto others ''before'' they do unto you".]]
* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.
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5th May '17 1:02:05 PM case
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5th May '17 12:58:41 PM case
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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'': in "A Rickle In Time", Rick and his grand-kids are split into two timelines. He attempts to fix the issue by merging their timelines back together, but runs into a snag, and immediately assumes that this means the other Rick gave up on merging and have moved on to trying to kill the other, motivating both to kill the other before they are killed.
19th Apr '17 12:52:33 PM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.
14th Mar '17 6:37:14 AM Khathi
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''did'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
-->'''Gedevan''': "Why did they do it?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that we don't do it to them first."
-->'''Gedevan''': "And why would you do that?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that they don't hang over our heads."




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* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.
10th Mar '17 6:37:32 AM hszmv1
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* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear programme, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.

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** First two and only uses of Nuclear Bombs in warfare were deployed because of this trope. The United States knew that Japan would fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend the home islands and did not like the prospect of invasion that would have to be done to win the war. Casualties were expected to be some of the costliest in American History. (Fun Fact: About Half a million Purple Hearts, an award given to US military personnel for injuries sustained from enemy combat, were ordered in anticipation. As one historian put it, they were the best war surplus. The United States would not need to place another order for the decoration until 2000! Even then, the original WWII era medals are still given out... we're just getting close to running out of them.). Needless to say, Truman recognized that there would be a lot of American troops killing Japanese civilians and vice versa and he had an advantage that could kill more of them before they killed us.
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought a Nuclear Bomb was because the only people who had one at that time were people who were aggressively opposed to their political style. It didn't help that America had used Nukes in the past, and did threaten a first strike whereas the Soviet Union maintained Second-Strike Only policies (and meant them, not that the Americans knew that at the time).
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear programme, program, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.
15th Feb '17 1:10:55 AM Laevatein
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* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
--> Let our motto be broadcast, "Get your blow in first"\\
She who draws her sword last always comes off worst!
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