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19th Apr '17 12:52:33 PM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.
14th Mar '17 6:37:14 AM Khathi
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''did'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
-->'''Gedevan''': "Why did they do it?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that we don't do it to them first."
-->'''Gedevan''': "And why would you do that?"
-->'''Wef''': "So that they don't hang over our heads."




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* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.
10th Mar '17 6:37:32 AM hszmv1
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* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear programme, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.

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** First two and only uses of Nuclear Bombs in warfare were deployed because of this trope. The United States knew that Japan would fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend the home islands and did not like the prospect of invasion that would have to be done to win the war. Casualties were expected to be some of the costliest in American History. (Fun Fact: About Half a million Purple Hearts, an award given to US military personnel for injuries sustained from enemy combat, were ordered in anticipation. As one historian put it, they were the best war surplus. The United States would not need to place another order for the decoration until 2000! Even then, the original WWII era medals are still given out... we're just getting close to running out of them.). Needless to say, Truman recognized that there would be a lot of American troops killing Japanese civilians and vice versa and he had an advantage that could kill more of them before they killed us.
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought a Nuclear Bomb was because the only people who had one at that time were people who were aggressively opposed to their political style. It didn't help that America had used Nukes in the past, and did threaten a first strike whereas the Soviet Union maintained Second-Strike Only policies (and meant them, not that the Americans knew that at the time).
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear programme, program, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.
15th Feb '17 1:10:55 AM Laevatein
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* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
--> Let our motto be broadcast, "Get your blow in first"\\
She who draws her sword last always comes off worst!
28th Dec '16 3:54:31 PM thatother1dude
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* According to ''Film/TheMenWhoStareAtGoats'', (which claims that this entry should be under the RealLife section,) both sides of the Cold War ended up doing psychic research mainly because of this trope. Even though not many people on either side actually ''believed'' there was anything in it, they couldn't let the other side lead the field ''just in case'' it turned out to be real.

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* According to ''Film/TheMenWhoStareAtGoats'', (which claims that this entry should be under the RealLife section,) both sides of the Cold War ended up doing psychic research mainly because of this trope. Even because, even though not many people on either side actually ''believed'' there was anything in it, they couldn't let the other side lead the field ''just in case'' it turned out to be real.
13th Oct '16 7:07:15 PM Angeldeb82
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* Conclusion: [[InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves All weapons will be used]].
* Consequent: [[MightMakesRight I'd better]] [[SelfFulfillingProphecy do it first]].

A subtrope of IDidWhatIHadToDo, this is a stock explanation for those operating on the extremely cynical end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. When such characters have to employ a morally dubious weapon but [[PretextForWar still care about justifying it]], this will almost always be the go-to rationalization. The argument goes that once a weapon has been invented it will inevitably proliferate and be used, and therefore the only sane response is to use it as early and often as possible. Expect to hear it as a paper-thin excuse from GeneralRipper, the WellIntentionedExtremist, or the SocialDarwinist as they sprint gleefully towards the MoralEventHorizon with the rest of the world in tow. If your ''protagonists'' are using this justification, you probably live in a CrapsackWorld, a world of BlackAndGrayMorality at the least or ProtagonistCenteredMorality at the worst.

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* Conclusion: [[InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves All weapons will be used]].
used.]]
* Consequent: [[MightMakesRight I'd better]] [[SelfFulfillingProphecy do it first]].

first.]]

A subtrope of IDidWhatIHadToDo, this is a stock explanation for those operating on the extremely cynical end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. When such characters have to employ a morally dubious weapon but [[PretextForWar still care about justifying it]], this will almost always be the go-to rationalization. The argument goes that once a weapon has been invented it will inevitably proliferate and be used, and therefore the only sane response is to use it as early and often as possible. Expect to hear it as a paper-thin excuse from GeneralRipper, the WellIntentionedExtremist, or the SocialDarwinist TheSocialDarwinist as they sprint gleefully towards the MoralEventHorizon with the rest of the world in tow. If your ''protagonists'' are using this justification, you probably live in a CrapsackWorld, a world of BlackAndGrayMorality at the least or ProtagonistCenteredMorality at the worst.
11th Sep '16 9:09:05 PM PaulA
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* This trope is the very basis of ''Literature/EndersGame'' by OrsonScottCard. Instead of preparing for another "bugs'" invasion, mankind chooses to attack first this time.

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* This trope is the very basis of ''Literature/EndersGame'' by OrsonScottCard. Creator/OrsonScottCard. Instead of preparing for another "bugs'" alien invasion, mankind chooses to attack first this time.
7th Aug '16 6:08:34 PM Argon2
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* The ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' series revolves around several DeadlyGame[=s=]. Naturally, even heroic participants are worried by the fact that their 'opponents' could easily betray them if left alive. Given that several murderers are also participating, there are actually times when killing someone ''is'' the right and sensible decision. Not shooting [[spoiler:Eric]] in ''[=ZTD=]'', for example, will lead to a bad ending where he fatally shoots the protagonist.
1st Jun '16 12:24:43 PM TheCuza
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* In ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', the Joker attempts to set up this kind of scenario with two barges, one filled with ordinary civilians and the other with criminals, with the same premise: give them a choice to blow up the other group before they blow up yours. [[RousseauWasRight Neither group plays along with the Joker's game]].

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* In ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', the Joker attempts to set up this kind of scenario with two barges, one filled with ordinary civilians and the other with criminals, with criminals. They are each given a detonator and the same premise: give them a choice to blow instructions: Blow up the other group boat before they blow up yours.you, and if neither boat blows up within a certain time limit, then he'll blow them ''both'' up himself. [[RousseauWasRight Neither group plays along with the Joker's game]].
18th May '16 9:50:12 AM MarqFJA
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* This line of thinking underpinned much of the nuclear proliferation in the Cold War. While nuclear weapons (utilising nuclear fission) were still weak, to the point that it would take half a dozen of the USA's stock of just 500 to completely destroy cities such as Shanghai or Warsaw outright (though the firestorms generated would have been largely sufficient even in the event of a single strike), certain US generals such as [=MacArthur=] talked openly about nuking the Commies into submission. Of course, the Soviet Union's invention and mass-production of the thousand-fold more powerful nuclear fusion ('hydrogen') devices and ICBMs in the early 1960s changed all that.

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* This line of thinking underpinned much of the nuclear proliferation in the Cold War. While nuclear weapons (utilising nuclear fission) were still weak, to the point that it would take half a dozen of the USA's stock of just 500 to completely destroy cities such as Shanghai or Warsaw outright (though the firestorms generated would have been largely sufficient even in the event of a single strike), certain US generals such as [=MacArthur=] talked openly about nuking the Commies into submission. Of course, the Soviet Union's invention and mass-production of the thousand-fold more powerful nuclear fusion ('hydrogen') devices and ICBMs [=ICBMs=] in the early 1960s changed all that.
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