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19th May '18 1:26:06 AM RedScharlach
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* The warring sides of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim for nothing less than the complete annihilation of the other side down to the last man, woman and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides aquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation launches dozens of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed to destroy these [=WMDs=], the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.

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* The warring sides of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim for nothing less than the complete annihilation of the other side down to the last man, woman and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides aquire acquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation launches dozens of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed to destroy these [=WMDs=], the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.



* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.

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* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked attacked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.



** "Now I know first hand what war really means. I also know however that we are forced into this struggle against the Soviet Union. For God have mercy on us, for if we had waited, or if these beasts had come to us. For them the most gruesome death is too beautiful. I am fortunate, therefore, that I should be here to put a stop to the handiwork of this genocidal system [völkervernichtenden]" - German Army private Frederich Fallnbigl, letter written July 1941 [[note]] printed in David Redles' ''Hitler's Millenial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation'' p.175 [[/note]]

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** "Now I know first hand what war really means. I also know however that we are forced into this struggle against the Soviet Union. For God have mercy on us, for if we had waited, or if these beasts had come to us. For them the most gruesome death is too beautiful. I am fortunate, therefore, that I should be here to put a stop to the handiwork of this genocidal system [völkervernichtenden]" - -- German Army private Frederich Fallnbigl, letter written July 1941 [[note]] printed in David Redles' ''Hitler's Millenial Millennial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation'' p.175 [[/note]]
29th Apr '18 12:12:34 AM Veanne
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.

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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.



* A*nother interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) [[/note]]

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* A*nother Another interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) [[/note]] [[/note]]
** Seeing that papa Stalin ''did'' break the alliance he had with the Reich at the first opportunity it became profitable...
29th Apr '18 12:08:54 AM Veanne
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* Minor premise: [[HumansAreBastards All humans are bastards.]]

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* Minor premise: [[HumansAreBastards All humans are bastards.prone to using weapons.]]



* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.

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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
27th Apr '18 8:55:29 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and especially Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.
24th Mar '18 4:41:25 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'': When John Constantine was hired by a corrupt adviser to the Royal Family to discreetly resolve some demon business, his anarchist friend tried to warn him that they'll betray him [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness as soon as his work is done.]] John is [[GenreSavvy not unaware]] of the possibility, and reassures his friend that he will follow his usual strategy: "Screw them before they screw me."

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* ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'': When John Constantine was hired by a corrupt adviser to the Royal Family to discreetly resolve some demon business, his anarchist friend tried to warn him that they'll betray him [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness as soon as his work is done.]] John is [[GenreSavvy not unaware]] unaware of the possibility, and reassures his friend that he will follow his usual strategy: "Screw them before they screw me."
21st Feb '18 2:48:59 AM Jake
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* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.

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* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, his "destroy the village to save the village" tendencies in check, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.force.
** Apparently the showrunners realised the UnfortunateImplications, because Yablonski eventually got some dialogue making it clear that he didn't mean his catchphrase so literally as to justify PoliceBrutality.
12th Jan '18 9:19:11 PM erforce
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* Magneto's motive in some ''Film/XMen'' movies. In ''X2'' and ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' it's quite clearly "do unto them ''what they just tried to do to us'', so they don't get another shot at it". In X2 this involves a weaponized version of Cerebro; in ''First Class'' it involves a ton of missiles fired by US and Soviet fleets.
* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:

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* Magneto's motive in some ''Film/XMen'' ''[[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]]'' movies. In ''X2'' ''Film/X2XMenUnited'' and ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' it's quite clearly "do unto them ''what they just tried to do to us'', so they don't get another shot at it". In X2 ''X2'' this involves a weaponized version of Cerebro; in ''First Class'' it involves a ton of missiles fired by US and Soviet fleets.
* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' ''Film/StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
21st Nov '17 5:30:32 PM thatother1dude
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:

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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating trancklucate their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
21st Nov '17 5:29:50 PM thatother1dude
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* StarshipTroopers: Both sides see the other as a hideous horde of insane vermin, who hate everything their very genes stand for (humans represent arrogance and infighting, bugs represent obedience and gluttony) and will do anything they can to wipe the other side out. Fancy that.

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* StarshipTroopers: ''Film/StarshipTroopers'': Both sides see the other as a hideous horde of insane vermin, who hate everything their very genes stand for (humans represent arrogance and infighting, bugs represent obedience and gluttony) and [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar will do anything they can to wipe the other side out.out]]. Fancy that.
19th Sep '17 10:29:54 AM StarTropes
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* PlayedForLaughs on ''Series/TheRedGreenShow'' when Mike Hamar (a career criminal) tries to pass this off as a biblical quote.
--> '''Red:''' I don't remember that in the King James Version. Maybe the ''Jesse'' James Version.
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